30mg of methadone, 1 25/hr patch, smoked?

[Hammilton]

Just wonderin if there's a decent way to figure this out: with the sort of tolerance where 30mg of methadone gives a decent buzz, how much fent would you have to smoke? I've got one of those shitty mylan patches, I dunno if it's possible at all with these.

any help would be appreciated.

[twoAM]

I have been trying to figure out how to manufacture a smokeable suspension from a Mylan patch for about three years now, and everytime I've come up dry.

There are only two uses I've ever come up with for them, and NEITHER involve chewing... if you're a kitchen stove chemist, the best thing to do is boil the fent out of 'em; my experience is that if boiled for one hour and thirty minutes, you've gotten just about everything you can out .

You can cut them into pieces, assuming that you'll extract at least 72 times the mcg/hr rate for the percentage of the patch you've cut off.

You can either drink what you pull out, or reduce it and bang it.

The only patches you can smoke (to my knowledge) are the gel ones, and that is the only way to fly. If you get a gel one to smoke, figuring out how much is easy: stop when you get fucked up. If you don't, you'll end up like I did once, waking up in my living room surrounded by the cops and EMT's who revived me. That was the only time I ever went down like that.

Any way, best of luck. If you can figure out a way to smoke the extract from the Mylan's, pleeeeeeease, post that shit.

[Azrael]

I have been trying to figure out how to manufacture a smokeable suspension from a Mylan patch for about three years now, and everytime I've come up dry.

There are only two uses I've ever come up with for them, and NEITHER involve chewing... if you're a kitchen stove chemist, the best thing to do is boil the fent out of 'em; my experience is that if boiled for one hour and thirty minutes, you've gotten just about everything you can out .

You can cut them into pieces, assuming that you'll extract at least 72 times the mcg/hr rate for the percentage of the patch you've cut off.

You can either drink what you pull out, or reduce it and bang it.

The only patches you can smoke (to my knowledge) are the gel ones, and that is the only way to fly. If you get a gel one to smoke, figuring out how much is easy: stop when you get fucked up. If you don't, you'll end up like I did once, waking up in my living room surrounded by the cops and EMT's who revived me. That was the only time I ever went down like that.

Any way, best of luck. If you can figure out a way to smoke the extract from the Mylan's, pleeeeeeease, post that shit.

This man speaks the truth. I've had a tolerance to opiates before I started using opiates, always able to take 2-3x more than my friends to get high and avoid nausea. I've done huge shots of everything in the past few years but the only thing that I ever OD'd was smoking a 100 mike patch when I was 15 (7 years ago). My natural increased capacity to opiates probably saved my life since I smoked an entire 100 microgram patch to myself. However six months later I stumbled onto a 100 mike patch again and my friend (who weighed a lot less than I did) took two hits and got high. took one more hit and stopped breathing. Cops, paramedics, me getting in an assload of trouble at 16 years old, the whole shabang. like TwoAM says: Stop smoking when you get high. My friend and I are lucky to be alive. It's no wonder they make non-gel patches nowadays. Smoking fentanyl is a huge rush, just be careful folks.

[roxi*stardust]

As far as I know those Mylan Fent patches are not smokable.

[djsollest]

Yea what TwoAm said is sooo true,

those fent patchs are sooo feaking strong... about 2 years ago my girl and i were livin @ her parents house and they had the 100mcg gel ones, i did a little lookin around on the net figured out how to prep those to smoke. We had smoked TINY TINY flakes of it many times b4 one night she took the first hit didnt blow it out fast enough and went out.... her parents and i did cpr for about 10-15 min and seemed like an hour, right b4 the EMT's walked through the door i screamed in her ear and she took a breath. really fucked up my head to see her w/ out a pulse for a few min.... even tho the high is out of this world we never did that shit again, its too unpredictable. and yea we both had huge tolerances then too.

[big-ghecko]

Hey , how big is a fent 100 patch. Is it like a postage stamp or something? and how thick are these 'gel' patches ? I can get my hands on some if I'm sneaky enough at my work, I just need to know what to look for! I work at a Veterinary Specialists as a nurse. I get to give patients methadone for pain relief and occasionaly sneak some of that home , which is 10mg/ml. What does 100ug mean exactly. I understand that its something to to do with the rate per hour?

[flipside]

No offense but if you are a nurse you should know this information..or look it up in your NDR.

!00ug is the total amount of fent in the patch..this is not how many mcgs are released per hour.

You need to look at the dose 25mcg/ 50mcg/ or 100mcg that referr to the amount of fent released per hour.

A 25mcg patch is about the size of a 4x4. A 50 even larger, an so on. a 100mcg per hour patch is the size of a large bandage.

I would not start stealing from my place of employment if you want to keep your license. esp if you are not desperate..which it sounds like, you are not.

Keep your job and educate yourself on the meds you are dispensing. Just curoious if you are in a vetrinary setting..how are you dispensing methadone to your patient. Don;t know of any cats that need MMMT
From one nurse to another

[big-ghecko]

Thanks for the info. I wouldn't want to lose licence or job, it just tempting to try after hearing about the effects on this forum. By the way, we give about 10mg of Methadone S/C (sub-cutaneous) to a 25kg dog.

[OxyContinuously]

Hey , how big is a fent 100 patch. Is it like a postage stamp or something? and how thick are these 'gel' patches ? I can get my hands on some if I'm sneaky enough at my work, I just need to know what to look for! I work at a Veterinary Specialists as a nurse. I get to give patients methadone for pain relief and occasionaly sneak some of that home , which is 10mg/ml. What does 100ug mean exactly. I understand that its something to to do with the rate per hour?


So you would have us believe that u are a nurse, yet you don't know what "100 micrograms" means? That makes no sense to me.

[big-ghecko]

In Australia things are a little different I guess. The place I'm working at now is the first place that I know of where we are able to access the drugs and administrer without being signed out by a vet. We commonly use 10mg/ml of methadone for pain relief and the other day, I noticed on a patients chart that fentanyl had been prescribed for (pain I could only guess) after a very intensive face reconstruction. When I referred to the 100ug( i know that its micrograms) I just wanted to know the exact relationship it had with Fentanyl patches.

[flipside]

Cool, if you are in Australia tht would explain why I have never heard of any animal geting done for pain here. Much like they use diamorphine for pain in the UK.

If you don't mess with Fent..stay away from it.nothing will skyrocket your tolernace faster.and if you get caught you will lose your license. I take it your are a vet tech or nurse not a regular registered nurse. bachelor's degree ie. A human nurse who cares for human patients? Different education.

[big-ghecko]

Yeah, after two years of study we get a Cert 4 in Vet. nursing. In australia there probably only 20 Vet. specialists clinics. We get get referals from general practicing vets only. Only extreme patients come our way. We do alot of surgery, oncology(surgical and medicimal) , opthamology, dermatology and reproduction. Most of the patients we see are extreme cases, that cannot be done by a regular vet. ie the specialist vets. are top in their field. I have recently started specialising in Intensive Care nursing. The Fent. is only used occasionaly from what I can see. As a specialist nurse in a very busy clinic we can access the drugs freely to get the job done when needed. As finding the patients Vet could take an hour! When giving doses of Diazapam to patients to pre-med them for surgery(using ketamine as aneasthetic) we often have to get drugs from the safe. There are alot of differing pain relievers in the safe from done to morph to (i noticed the other day , Fent). Is Fent a pharmaceutical grade heroin, I was told this by a friend. Or is it somewhere between H and M? What are the positive effects? Anything like H? ie Euphoria, nodding , spewing if a little too much etc etc.

[roxi*stardust]

Fentanyl is not pharmacuetical grade Heroin. You must not have gotten much training in Pharmacology. Here is some info:


Fentanyl is a pure opioidagonist whose principal therapeutic action is analgesia. Other members of the class known as opioid agonists include substances such as morphine, oxycodone, hydromorphone, codeine, and hydrocodone. Pharmacological effects of opioid agonists include anxiolysis, euphoria, feelings of relaxation, respiratorydepression, constipation, miosis, and cough suppression, and analgesia. Like all pure opioid agonist analgesics, with increasing doses there is increasing analgesia, unlike with mixed agonist/antagonists or non-opioid analgesics, where there is a limit to the analgesic effect with increasing doses. With pure opioid agonist analgesics, there is no defined maximum dose; the ceiling to analgesic effectiveness is imposed only by side effects, the more serious of which may include somnolence and respiratory depression.



Product IdentificationSynonyms: N-(1-phenethyl-4-piperidyl)propionanilide citrate (1:1); N-Phenyl-N-[(1-(2-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinyl)propanamide, citrate salt; Fentanyl Citrate ARS-(FOR R&D USE ONLY)
CAS No.: 990-73-8
Molecular Weight: 528.61
Chemical Formula: C22H28N2O.C6H8O7
Product Codes: 0662, 0666, 1130, 1205, 1333, 9133

2. Composition/Information on Ingredients



Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous --------------------------------------- ------------ ------------ --------- Fentanyl citrate 990-73-8 100% Yes
3. Hazards Identification

Emergency Overview
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DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED, INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. POTENT NARCOTIC.

Potential Health Effects
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Described as being 80 to 100 times as potent as morphine, the human health effects associated with occupational exposure to Fentanyl Citrate are not well documented.

Inhalation:
Narcotic. Can irritate the respiratory passages and cause sneezing or coughing but will also have an anesthetic effect. Inhalation of appreciable quantities may produce lung edema, dizziness, and respiratory difficulties; large dose inhalation may result in respiratory arrest. See also Ingestion, below.
Ingestion:
Toxic! Narcotic. Minimum Lethal Dosage: Fentanyl 250 ug.
In addition to its analgesic action, may cause gastric disturbance with nausea, vomiting and constipation. Large amounts may cause central nervous system depression, respiratory or cardiac collapse, coma and death.
Skin Contact:
Absorption through intact skin may occur. Symptoms may parallel ingestion.
Eye Contact:
Mild irritant but will also have a strong narcotic effect (pupil constriction) and the eye may serve as an absorption route to the body in general.
Chronic Exposure:
Caution, may be habit forming.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Rare individuals may have prior hypersensitivity from clinical administration of fentanyl; such individuals should obtain competent medical advice regarding handling of fentanyl products.

4. First Aid Measures

Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air. If not breathing, give artificial respiration. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. Call a physician.
Ingestion:
Induce vomiting immediately as directed by medical personnel. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person.
Skin Contact:
Immediately flush skin with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Call a physician, immediately. Wash clothing before reuse.
Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get medical attention immediately


Fentanyl citrate, USP is N-(1-Phenethyl-4-piperidyl) propionanilide citrate (1:1). Fentanyl is a highly lipophilic compound (THIS IS WHY FENTANYL IS VERY EFFECTIVE WHEN DELIVERED VIA THE TRANSDERMAL ROUTE) (octanol-water partition coefficient at pH 7.4 is 816:1) that is freely soluble in organic solvents and sparingly soluble in water (1:40). The molecular weight of the free base is 336.5 (the citrate salt is 528.6). The pKa of the tertiary nitrogens are 7.3 and 8.4. The compound has the following structural formula:
http://www.rxlist.com/images/rxlist/fentacitrate1.gif



Pharmocology:

Absorption:

The absorption of the transmucosal dosage form is a combination of an initial rapid absorption from the buccal mucosa and a more prolonged absorption of swallowed fentanyl from the gastrointestinal tract {01}. Both the blood fentanyl profile and the bioavailability of fentanyl will vary depending on the fraction of the dose that is absorbed through the oral mucosa and the fraction swallowed {01}. Approximately 25% of the total dose of transmucosal fentanyl is rapidly absorbed from the buccal mucosa and becomes systemically available {01}. The remaining 75% of the total dose is swallowed with the saliva and then is slowly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract {01}. About one-third of this amount (25% of the total dose) escapes hepatic and intestinal first-pass elimination and becomes systemically available {01}. Lower peak concentrations and lower bioavailability may result if a unit dose is chewed and swallowed than when consumed as directed {01}.

Distribution:

Fentanyl is highly lipophilic {01}. Fentanyl is distributed to the brain, heart, lungs, kidneys, and spleen followed by a slower redistribution to muscle and fat {01}.

Protein binding:

High (80 to 85%), primarily by alpha-1-acid glycoprotein, but both albumin and lipoproteins contribute {01}.

Biotransformation:

Primarily hepatic, via dealkylation and hydroxylation into inactive metabolites {01}.

Half-life:

Approximately 7 hours {01}.

Time to peak concentration:

Following administration of 200 mcg, 400 mcg, 800 mcg, 1600 mcg doses (based on consumption time of 15 minutes)—Within 20-40 (range, 20-480 minutes) minutes {01}.

Elimination:
Primarily hepatic; less than 7% and 1% of the dose is excreted as unchanged fentanyl in the urine and feces, respectively {01}.

[big-ghecko]

Thanks Roxi for the great info!:rolleyes: Swim have had a hard time getting info this precise. The method of becoming a fully qualified Veterinary Nurse in Australia is having to work in a practice before they will even accept you into college(Big catch22) .How to get a job without qualifications is very hard, but you cant get qualifications without an actual payed job in a veterinary practice! Thats Australian(Irish thinking for ya!) No offence to the Irish out there of course? Today there was a 9Kg dog with a 25Fent patch. Would you say that this is a normal amount for such small animal. Swim looked under the Bandage which had 'Fent25' written on it. The patch was about 25mm X 25mm and looked like a standard 'give up smoking' patch. Swim's sure that it wasn't two layers or filled with anything. Would one of these be noticable to a human with the patient being so small? If so, how the hell would you extract the Fent. to IV, or would you recommend another method. Swim does have a very high tolerance so would like a quick ingestment method if possible. ie IV:violent3:

Swim also noticed today that there is Fentanyl vials in stock. Didn't get the strength though! Would it be possible to evap. the fluid off for a solid product? Swim has done the CWE with Grey Nurses(what we call 100mg MS Contin in Ozzyland) and got great crystal product for personal use. Swim thought that he might find some fent in his pockets on the way home from work one day and wanted to know the safest way and most productive way of extraction! Any help for my friend SWIM would be much appreciated!!

:violent1:

[flipside]

Sorry to didssapoint you..but you ar not going to be able to extract fent safely for IV from a patch and if you do hit the vials ( you don't even know how to do the correct conversion) you are probably asking for big trouble..legal or even death.

Fent is nothing to play with and you don't sound like you have any experience with it..I doubt /hope no one here will give you any info that you could use to hurt yourself with.

I certainly will not. Srry....