New med from the doc :) Provigil

[gnat]

Ok, went the doctor today and didn't get a chance to ask about avinza. It'll probably be better for me to wait anyway. So there was a new paper to fill out today and it was about sleep and fatigue. My last doctor had already diagnosed me with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. My score on falling asleep was not anything to be concerned with. I don't have narcolepsy(sp). But the fatigue part of the questionaire scored me with 25pts of I think 35. 35 being the level at which you should talk to your doctor. She looked it over and said... 'you're tired'. And I am always worn out feeling, not sleepy but tired. I explained that to her and she asked if I wanted to try a prescription that could help me with it. I was hesitant and asked for her to tell me about it. I chose to try it out. So they wrote me a script for 30 a month, and dug out a 7 day trial package from their closet.

The medicine is Provigil 200mg. I get out to the car and open the little box so I could read the insert. The blister pack is fucking missing one of the seven! http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif It wasn't empty and sealed, it was opened and taken. I thought it was funny but it didn't matter to me if someone at the doctor's office snagged one or maybe even the pharm rep. I might have cared if 7 were all I got, but I was about to go fill the script for 30 anyway. I did call them later just to let them know, but explained it made no difference to me since I was also written a prescription for them.

Anyways, I took one, and about an hour later I took another half, so 300mg. I didn't get alot of sleep last night so I was VERY tired. By the time I get home I realize I'm http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/eek3.gif Talk about a feeling I haven't had in a while. These things are decent. I wouldn't want any of the adhd drugs as I don't want to show up as an amphetamine on a drug test. The medicine name is modafinil. So I'm hoping they're not totally related. Even though I have a script I'd rather not show up as every item on the test. The pamplet also said it may be abused by drug abusers for it's stimulation and euphoric effects. It's schedule IV. Anyone know what schedule the comparative meds are? Or anyone have any experience with them? Tell me your thoughts.

[Narkotikon]

Ok, went the doctor today and didn't get a chance to ask about avinza. It'll probably be better for me to wait anyway. So there was a new paper to fill out today and it was about sleep and fatigue. My last doctor had already diagnosed me with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. My score on falling asleep was not anything to be concerned with. I don't have narcolepsy(sp). But the fatigue part of the questionaire scored me with 25pts of I think 35. 35 being the level at which you should talk to your doctor. She looked it over and said... 'you're tired'. And I am always worn out feeling, not sleepy but tired. I explained that to her and she asked if I wanted to try a prescription that could help me with it. I was hesitant and asked for her to tell me about it. I chose to try it out. So they wrote me a script for 30 a month, and dug out a 7 day trial package from their closet.

The medicine is Provigil 200mg. I get out to the car and open the little box so I could read the insert. The blister pack is fucking missing one of the seven! http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif It wasn't empty and sealed, it was opened and taken. I thought it was funny but it didn't matter to me if someone at the doctor's office snagged one or maybe even the pharm rep. I might have cared if 7 were all I got, but I was about to go fill the script for 30 anyway. I did call them later just to let them know, but explained it made no difference to me since I was also written a prescription for them.

Anyways, I took one, and about an hour later I took another half, so 300mg. I didn't get alot of sleep last night so I was VERY tired. By the time I get home I realize I'm http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/eek3.gif Talk about a feeling I haven't had in a while. These things are decent. I wouldn't want any of the adhd drugs as I don't want to show up as an amphetamine on a drug test. The medicine name is modafinil. So I'm hoping they're not totally related. Even though I have a script I'd rather not show up as every item on the test. The pamplet also said it may be abused by drug abusers for it's stimulation and euphoric effects. It's schedule IV. Anyone know what schedule the comparative meds are? Or anyone have any experience with them? Tell me your thoughts.


You're right. It's a schedule IV stimulant used to treat narcolepsy, shift-work sleep disorder, and fatigue (and was given to me at the methadone clinic because I was always tired). It's generic name is Modafinil. You can't really get high on these. I mean, you get sort of a caffeine-like buzz but without the jitters. It's not like taking coke or methamphetamine. It's not really pleasureable, at least it wasn't for me. The only thing I didn't like about it was that I kept getting these 7-day trial coupons to take into the pharmacy, and the idiots kept telling me that the coupons had been used before, even though I went straight from the clinic where I was given them to the pharmacy. I think either the doctor was handing out used coupons, or the pharmacy techs didn't know how to enter data into a computer. I didn't and still don't have insurance, so I had to have the coupons because I think the pharmacy people told me 7 pills sold for $58 or something like that. That was at Kroger's. It's expensive because it's only brand right now. But yeah, it's not something that you'll probabably enjoy too much.

[gnat]

Well I can tell it has alot less euphoric properties than amphetamines, but none the less I can still feel it. It definately perked my eyes open and I think that's just great. I'm always exhausted so for now I can't complain - it works. I feel a mild euphoria with them but when I took a little oxycodone things felt great. Same goes for a small dose of hydrocodone actually. I have a nice little body buzz going on and I'm writing books for posts. If it can help me get some work done I'll be ecstatic. Being that I take opiates daily I doubt I will have much of a chance to see what it feels like by itself. As a combination I'm a little suprised, and I feel pretty damn good. Any type of feeling(euphoria) is better than pain.

[Paregoric Kid]

it's crap, if you're experiencing side effects like being tired from opiates and are looking for a decent stimulant to increase wakefulness and alertness try ritalin at least.
I mean if provigil works for you great, but most people that I know that have tried it do not like it, compare it to caffeine.
what do you have to worry about AD(H)D drugs and drug tests at work? if you have a prescription they can't do shit about it. I mean if you're already on morphine what the fucks it gonna matter if they know you're on prescription medication.

[nick]

That's the stuff Kelli White the sprinter was doping with.Should come in useful next time you have to run 100 meters quickly.

[Narkotikon]

Yeah, try Ritalin (more like coke) or Adderal (a blend of amphetamines). For some reason I thought you mentioned you were taking Concerta, which made me wonder why you needed the Provigil. But, now that I look, I can't see that listed now. Maybe it was in another post. I think Ritalin and Adderal are Schedule IV too, but I could be wrong. They might be Schedule III. I've never taken them on a regular basis, so I'm not sure. Glad you like the Provigil, but after you take it for a while, it does sort of loose it's wakefullness abilities. I took one 200mg pill a day for a month, then had to be increased to 2 200mg pills a day, but of course that's probably because my done was getting upped when it didn't need to be too. Anyway, glad you like it, good luck.

[Curio]

it's crap, if you're experiencing side effects like being tired from opiates and are looking for a decent stimulant to increase wakefulness and alertness try ritalin at least.
I mean if provigil works for you great, but most people that I know that have tried it do not like it, compare it to caffeine.
what do you have to worry about AD(H)D drugs and drug tests at work? if you have a prescription they can't do shit about it. I mean if you're already on morphine what the fucks it gonna matter if they know you're on prescription medication.

the pain/bupe doc put me on this stuff and you're right PG...crap...I have all the ADHD signs, plus fatigue and depression, he puts me on 3 new meds that are sedating and gives me provigil!? I've had a headache for 3 days and not enough energy to leave the couch..

[gnat]

lol well it's good to hear you all tell it like it is. I'm sure these are the same results I would come to probably sooner rather than later. The hydro/oxy doesn't make me sleepy - I rarely take enough to nod - I don't get enough anymore. Hell, even a handful of somas doesn't make me sleepy anymore. It's hard for me to go to sleep most nights as it is, and the times when I'm awake my motivation just isn't there.

I have my own reservations about real amphetamines that stem from my younger years I guess.

I thought I saw a light at the end of the tunnel since my jaw was tight and it woke me up but I guess not. Thanks for the info guys.

[roxi*stardust]

Yeah, try Ritalin (more like coke) or Adderal (a blend of amphetamines). For some reason I thought you mentioned you were taking Concerta, which made me wonder why you needed the Provigil. But, now that I look, I can't see that listed now. Maybe it was in another post. I think Ritalin and Adderal are Schedule IV too, but I could be wrong. They might be Schedule III. I've never taken them on a regular basis, so I'm not sure. Glad you like the Provigil, but after you take it for a while, it does sort of loose it's wakefullness abilities. I took one 200mg pill a day for a month, then had to be increased to 2 200mg pills a day, but of course that's probably because my done was getting upped when it didn't need to be too. Anyway, glad you like it, good luck.

Ritalin and Adderal are scheduled CII's, same with Concerta, Detrostat, Dexedrine, etc. Almost all the ADHD stimulants are CII's, with the exception of that Provigil and the new one that is not a stimulant, it's called Stratera.

[Curio]

lol well it's good to hear you all tell it like it is. I'm sure these are the same results I would come to probably sooner rather than later. The hydro/oxy doesn't make me sleepy - I rarely take enough to nod - I don't get enough anymore. Hell, even a handful of somas doesn't make me sleepy anymore. It's hard for me to go to sleep most nights as it is, and the times when I'm awake my motivation just isn't there.

I have my own reservations about real amphetamines that stem from my younger years I guess.

I thought I saw a light at the end of the tunnel since my jaw was tight and it woke me up but I guess not. Thanks for the info guys.

hey if it makes YOU feel better, more power to ya...didn't mean it that way, just so many docs buy into the pharm reps pushing these high dollar drugs when there are drugs that are more proven to work with less side effects and cost way less we could have instead...

[chemboy7]

Ritalin and Adderal are scheduled CII's, same with Concerta, Detrostat, Dexedrine, etc. Almost all the ADHD stimulants are CII's, with the exception of that Provigil and the new one that is not a stimulant, it's called Stratera.

Yeah, I have a freind that is prescribed those for fatique and they didn't get much out of it at all, said they potentiate Phenethylamines though and they were right (upon my investigation) I'd save 'em for that if they stop working for you.

hey if it makes YOU feel better, more power to ya...didn't mean it that way, just so many docs buy into the pharm reps pushing these high dollar drugs when there are drugs that are more proven to work with less side effects and cost way less we could have instead...

That and docs are leary about prescribing lower schedual meds; usually start at the least abusable and you have to keep compllaining and work your way up.

[Hammilton]

nearly all stims are CII. I think Pemoline might not be. I don't actually know if it's even scheduled. Since it's hepatotoxic (nephrotoxic?) I don't think there's a big segment of dopers doping on that particular stim.

Besides the various Amphetamine varieties, Methylphenidate (I think there's a couple analogues of that, too, if not in current abuse), the Cathine-family and Cocaine, there really aren't many readily abused stimulants.

Amphetamine
Methamphetamine
Methylphenidate
Cathine
Cathinone
Methcathinone (Ephedrone)
Cocaine

That's about all there is. I suppose there's a bunch of PEAs with a blend of pschedelic and stimulant effects, but in this dopers opinion, they don't belong in this list.

[Paregoric Kid]

there are many, many other amphetamines, cathines, and phenethylamines, among other stimulants out there. some are rarely prescribed, others are schedule I, some are no longer made, and some are synthesized illegally. some aren't even scheduled.

[gnat]

Without a doubt I'll have to 'take' these meds for at least two months before moving up.

[Dolophine]

Without a doubt I'll have to 'take' these meds for at least two months before moving up.

Provigil is not a good drug from the literature i've read. I've read about people experiencing lots of health problems from it and apparently it's quite neurotoxic. Not something you want to be fucking around with. Might as well be taking amphetamines instead.

Modafinil aka Provigil is neurotoxic and you should probably switch to something better. Ritalin is probably alot less neurotoxic even and apparently it is somewhat neurotoxic.

It's probably comparable to Wellbutrin (Bupropion) but less stimulating than ritalin.

[chemboy7]

nearly all stims are CII. I think Pemoline might not be. I don't actually know if it's even scheduled. Since it's hepatotoxic (nephrotoxic?) I don't think there's a big segment of dopers doping on that particular stim.

Besides the various Amphetamine varieties, Methylphenidate (I think there's a couple analogues of that, too, if not in current abuse), the Cathine-family and Cocaine, there really aren't many readily abused stimulants.

Amphetamine
Methamphetamine
Methylphenidate
Cathine
Cathinone
Methcathinone (Ephedrone)
Cocaine

That's about all there is. I suppose there's a bunch of PEAs with a blend of pschedelic and stimulant effects, but in this dopers opinion, they don't belong in this list.

Cylert (Pemoline) is CIV and a fairly weak stimulant; weaker than Provigil IMO and I believe that their are Piperazine stimulants that are still rarely prescibed to add to your list there



Provigil is not a good drug from the literature i've read. I've read about people experiencing lots of health problems from it and apparently it's quite neurotoxic. Not something you want to be fucking around with. Might as well be taking amphetamines instead.

Modafinil aka Provigil is neurotoxic and you should probably switch to something better. Ritalin is probably alot less neurotoxic even and apparently it is somewhat neurotoxic.

It's probably comparable to Wellbutrin (Bupropion) but less stimulating than ritalin.



I am not doubting the fact that Cylert is neurotoxic, but I have never heard anything along those lines at all. Do you know what areas are effected the most, hpow prevailent it is under normal usage, or even better have a source that explains it? It very well be, I have just never read any reports on it or gone over that as a possible side effect in any of my pharmacology courses. Regardless it would most likely be after long periods of use or abuse that would bring it on, most stimulants will cause some sort of brain damage in extreme use situations.

[Dolophine]

I am not doubting the fact that Cylert is neurotoxic, but I have never heard anything along those lines at all. Do you know what areas are effected the most, hpow prevailent it is under normal usage, or even better have a source that explains it? It very well be, I have just never read any reports on it or gone over that as a possible side effect in any of my pharmacology courses. Regardless it would most likely be after long periods of use or abuse that would bring it on, most stimulants will cause some sort of brain damage in extreme use situations.[/quote]

I can't find the pages I read about the Neurotoxicity on because it was a bout a year or two ago when I was considering getting it for myself from the Doctor but, If you research you can probably find pages about people abusing it and ending up all shaky and messed up and psychologically fucked up. I think it's similar to abusing amphetamine. I'm sure it's fine to take in MODERATE doses. But when you start abusing it or shooting it you're going to run into problems and have effects similar to Amphetamine abuse. And we all know Amphetamines and stimulants can damage the brain.
I wasn't speaking of Cylert, maybe you accidentally typed Cylert, Chemboy. You quoted me and I wasn't even talking about Cylert (Pemoline). I think you meant Provigil? Right. Anyways, Cylert or Pemoline was taken off the market a few years back because of it's toxicity. I don't think Provigil is more toxic than Amphetamine or Methylphenidate. But I believe it is similar and offers some neurotoxic and neuroprotective effects. Most stimulants have neurotoxic-like effects and can cause cardiovascular problems. I would be very weary of this medication and all stimulants (diet pills included). I have come to the conclusion that this is similar to stimulants and has some of the same bad effects and could cause problems for you if you are overdosing to get a euphoric buzz or a speedy effect. This substance also has neuroprotective effects according to some websites. Just look up MPTP and Provigil/Modafinil on Google or Yahoo search engines and you should find something about it's anti-Parkinsonian effects.Although, apparently Provigil mediates or prevents MPTP toxicity or so it says in a report I just read. And I assume they are referring to that EXTREMELY toxic chemical that is the by-product of a Meperidine (Demerol) like analog synthesis. Which is strange to say the least. This leads me to believe it may have SOME neuroprotective qualities in relation to Parkinsonian like disease. Because MPTP causes a Parkinsonian syndrome in humans who consume the toxin. So basically the info on PROVIGIL is mixed, so it may be harmful and helpful in certain ways. NEUROTOXIC, or NEUROPROTECTIVE or BOTH? Who knows, be safe with it.I would be very reluctant to abuse this medication though. Stick to things that have known side effects and long term effects because you are essentially being a guinea pig when you take medications that have recently just came out. When I said Provigil (Modafinil) was new, I meant it is relatively new. It's not a year old or two years old. I believe it's more than 10 but that is fairly new when it comes to medication. Most established medications have been around for 25+ years.

Does my color coding bother anyone??? I'm just curious. I do it so I can compact my writing and make it easier to read and separate because I tend to write a lot.

[chemboy7]

Does my color coding bother anyone??? I'm just curious. I do it so I can compact my writing and make it easier to read and separate because I tend to write a lot.



Not enough to get pissed off about but since you brought it up it is kinda annoying, esspecially when trying to read with one eye. Not a huge deal though, probably be better to stick to one color if you want to be fancy though... really plays with the eyes

[Dolophine]

Not enough to get pissed off about but since you brought it up it is kinda annoying, esspecially when trying to read with one eye. Not a huge deal though, probably be better to stick to one color if you want to be fancy though... really plays with the eyes

I just thought when reading long amounts of writing it's easier to read than writing like 6 paragraphs+ in black because you always lose your spot when you're reading it. I write a lot usually so If I write as much as I do in black I constantly have to seperate the paragraphs or it's impossible to read and then it takes up way too much space. So I'm not sure what to do. hmm. Write less I guess. lmao. I'll just stick to one or two colors for your eyes sake.

[Curio]

the way I understood it, Modafinil is fine they just came up with a newer formulation to hold onto their patent, etc...to begin marketing the new drug..
I had heard however that adrafinil, the first generation of these kinds of meds, the drug that came before modafinil, has some probs, but I understood those to be related to liver and metabolizing of the drug...
still researching for myself as I am stuck with this hoping the doc will switch me to a long acting ADHD med eventually and if my insurance will pay it's better than being in a coma like I'd usually be without my ritalin or something..

[gnat]

I just thought when reading long amounts of writing it's easier to read than writing like 6 paragraphs+ in black because you always lose your spot when you're reading it. I write a lot usually so If I write as much as I do in black I constantly have to seperate the paragraphs or it's impossible to read and then it takes up way too much space. So I'm not sure what to do. hmm. Write less I guess. lmao. I'll just stick to one or two colors for your eyes sake.

I don't mind the color, I just dislike the fact that they're all clumped together. The paragraphs do not appear to be actual paragraphs. I would skip a line with each color change ;)

[gnat]

I don't mind it being neurotoxic at abusable levels as long as it's not neurotoxic at very low levels - ie the recommended dosage. 200mg for now, maybe 400mg down the road.

I don't necessarily want the eurphoric effects of a stimulant, I want the end result - motivation. My pain meds have been the primary source for this for a long time as well as pain relief. I just mentioned that I think it added to the feeling of my pain meds which is a plessant plus for now.

I'm not one for jumping into the best, as fast as possible. I had an appetite while taking it yesterday so this is a good thing. I do NOT need to be losing weight so there in lies another problem with most stimulants. I'll continue my testing this week and post results of course. :)

[scikid]

I took Provigil for my ADD and it actually worked really well. Unfourantly I have no more perscription insurance so I can't get it anymore.

[gnat]

I took Provigil for my ADD and it actually worked really well. Unfourantly I have no more perscription insurance so I can't get it anymore.

oh noes I have teh add!

I'm glad to hear it worked for you and hope it continues to work for me.

It is kind of expensive. My ins paid 195$ of the 245 I think.

[Hammilton]

Modafonil is neuroprotective, and after three hours of searching, I think it's safe to say there haven't been any studies indicating that it's neurotoxic. If there have been, they were in some really fucking obscure journals- and then I'd have to ask "why." I searched through all the US scientific journals, the Indian journals, the Chinese and Japanese, and most european journals. I didn't look in Russia, though, and perhaps I should have. I dunno.

A lot of the 'afonils' are actually marketed as smart drugs. One of them is or was, available in from France for a long time. I dunno if it was OTC or Prescription, but I know you could import it fairly easily without a script.

That fact that it helps reverse Parkinson's Syndrome is a good sign that it's not causing any real problems, and I think it's fairly safe to say that it doesn't have a strong enough dopaminergic effect to cause the neuronal-burnout associated with heavy amphetamine abuse.

Hammilton

[gnat]

Thanks again guys... honestly it works really well with opiates. It just adds a little touch of fuzz to your buzz. Two pills will have you jawin all night. I had to make myself go to sleep about 5am last night even though I had enough oxy and soma in me to have stopped me dead in my tracks 6 hrs earlier.