1st Time Krat ?s

[Mu-Lover]

Well i heard many many MANY mixed reviews of Krat so i figured i'd give it a shot. So much info on good sources, how to ingest it, etc. I just got my first shipment of "Bali Super Premium" Fine Powder Krat from FlaglerCafe dot com. I heard A LOT of good things about flagler. I also ordered from the Kratom King. Haven't gotten the king's "Green Vein Thai" Krat yet though. I received the Krat from Flagler in 2 days and only paid $5 for shipping! Also, Flagler gave me 2 complimentary carrying sacs, some lip "butter" and some crazy blend of herbal tea...thought it was a nice touch (is she trying to tell me something including the tea, considering this kratom is "insence" after all???) Had it shipped within hours of order. So far, so good...now the test....

I've heard of people taking anywhere from 2-15 grams and getting desired effects. I figure i'd start w/ 5g and work my way up from there if need be. This is what i've gathered on the best way to ingest it so far. PLEASE anyone with experience, feel free to tell me if i'm wrong or just an idiot.

I've chosen to either pick up some gelcaps and do it that way (tho it seems quite annoying with the number of caps you have to fill) or just mix the Krat with some juice, swig it down, and drink some hot tea. I hear heat helps with the effects. Is this a good way to go? I would assume you get the most out of eating the whole plant material, at least more than just doing a hot water extraction (tea) and discarding the remaining material (or possibly eating whats left?). I don't know. I'll be taking it in about 3 hours to ensure i have an empty stomach (also gathered info that does not work well, if not at all with food in your system). Any advice or info in the mean time would be great. Thanks

[kyuss]

nice to get those extras.
I ordered from KratomKing
and didn't get anything extra.

I'd take the kratom
add hot water
add sugar/equal to sweeten.
let seep 10 minutes
then chug.

[Mu-Lover]

nice to get those extras.
I ordered from KratomKing
and didn't get anything extra.

I'd take the kratom
add hot water
add sugar/equal to sweeten.
let seep 10 minutes
then chug.

Are you eating the plant material as well? I was going to mix w/ juice then drink tea right after...should i just make the tea and swallow w/ plant material as well? I would assume if there is some credability to this whole heat potentiating kratom thing, it would help for the kratom to sit in it first, but what do i know (not much). I know acidic things help extract alkaloids, would it help to have the cranberry juice as well or to add lemon/lime to tea, or does stomach acid do this anyway (i know its important to add acidity when making tea where the remains are discarded, for the obvious reason). Once again, what do i know

Edit: BTW: the tea she gave me is has a label on the back that says "enhances kratom"...its red poppy and blue lotus tea, anybody ever heard of this?

[Euphoricgirl]

Sounds like your my twin! Let me know how it goes. I just joined this site and just received my first pkg. of kratom from Jan also with the exact extras you just named.. Been sitting here looking at it now for about 3 hours. I have always been used to about 2 oxys a day so hoping the kratom will fill the void just haven't dared to dive in yet. :D

[tptptp]

nice to get those extras.
I ordered from KratomKing
and didn't get anything extra.

I'd take the kratom
add hot water
add sugar/equal to sweeten.
let seep 10 minutes
then chug.

I always boil for 25-30 min strain and repeat get a large amount of goodies left over in the second run. Thats making bulk doses though...

[OhJoy]

I just add it to a tart juice and drink it. It works good for me that way.

[kyuss]

Are you eating the plant material as well? I was going to mix w/ juice then drink tea right after...should i just make the tea and swallow w/ plant material as well? I would assume if there is some credability to this whole heat potentiating kratom thing, it would help for the kratom to sit in it first, but what do i know (not much). I know acidic things help extract alkaloids, would it help to have the cranberry juice as well or to add lemon/lime to tea, or does stomach acid do this anyway (i know its important to add acidity when making tea where the remains are discarded, for the obvious reason). Once again, what do i know

Edit: BTW: the tea she gave me is has a label on the back that says "enhances kratom"...its red poppy and blue lotus tea, anybody ever heard of this?

yep,I chug it all
grounds and juice.
I always boil for 25-30 min strain and repeat get a large amount of goodies left over in the second run. Thats making bulk doses though...
I've never boiled it
I always seep and chug.

My only complaint
with kratom
is that it gives me
a speedy buzz
whether alone
or with opiates

[Euphoricgirl]

Mu, wondered if you tried out Jans Kratom blend yet? I ordered the same as you and "yes" never tried it before and all I tried was a tsp or so and spent an hour praying to the porcelain god tonight....Not fun. Wondering if its me?.. I have a pretty high tolerance to opiates so ....and did you end up trying her funny little mix of blue lotus and red poppy tea yet? My is still in the bag, yet to venture on that, since it seems the other didn't seem to like my body! I thought all opiates liked my body so I assumed the next closed thing to it would to............ wrong!! Anyone else had a bad experience?

[RR1203]

Well i heard many many MANY mixed reviews of Krat so i figured i'd give it a shot. So much info on good sources, how to ingest it, etc. I just got my first shipment of "Bali Super Premium" Fine Powder Krat from FlaglerCafe dot com. I heard A LOT of good things about flagler. I also ordered from the Kratom King. Haven't gotten the king's "Green Vein Thai" Krat yet though. I received the Krat from Flagler in 2 days and only paid $5 for shipping! Also, Flagler gave me 2 complimentary carrying sacs, some lip "butter" and some crazy blend of herbal tea...thought it was a nice touch (is she trying to tell me something including the tea, considering this kratom is "insence" after all???) Had it shipped within hours of order. So far, so good...now the test....

I've heard of people taking anywhere from 2-15 grams and getting desired effects. I figure i'd start w/ 5g and work my way up from there if need be. This is what i've gathered on the best way to ingest it so far. PLEASE anyone with experience, feel free to tell me if i'm wrong or just an idiot.

I've chosen to either pick up some gelcaps and do it that way (tho it seems quite annoying with the number of caps you have to fill) or just mix the Krat with some juice, swig it down, and drink some hot tea. I hear heat helps with the effects. Is this a good way to go? I would assume you get the most out of eating the whole plant material, at least more than just doing a hot water extraction (tea) and discarding the remaining material (or possibly eating whats left?). I don't know. I'll be taking it in about 3 hours to ensure i have an empty stomach (also gathered info that does not work well, if not at all with food in your system). Any advice or info in the mean time would be great. Thanks

So, what did you think of it? Did it work? Would love to know your experience?

[Mu-Lover]

Mu, wondered if you tried out Jans Kratom blend yet? I ordered the same as you and "yes" never tried it before and all I tried was a tsp or so and spent an hour praying to the porcelain god tonight....Not fun. Wondering if its me?.. I have a pretty high tolerance to opiates so ....and did you end up trying her funny little mix of blue lotus and red poppy tea yet? My is still in the bag, yet to venture on that, since it seems the other didn't seem to like my body! I thought all opiates liked my body so I assumed the next closed thing to it would to............ wrong!! Anyone else had a bad experience?

Well...sorry it took me so long to get back to you guys. I ordered 3 diff kinds of Krat. Jan's Super Ultra Thai, her Bali and TKK's Green Vein. Here's what i got so far...by the way. I got the finely ground powered leaf material and i mixed it with cranberry juice and drank a cup of the red poppy/lotus tea with it. The regularly ground leaf is a little tough to swallow and i think i'm developing a gag reflex to it, my throat seems to close and i get reflux if i dont down it QUICK! I got the Ultra Prem Thai in MICROFINE powder and that was FAR EASIER to get down, very ez with just a bit of juice....well here it goes:

I have found the following to be accurate measurements of the powdered leaf:

1 TABLESPOON (NOT teaspoon): = roughly 7grams

1st-Bali Premium- Very speedy buzz with a quite large amount of jittery-ness (word?). I think i may have overdone my first dose at around 10g's. Took it on an empty stomach. Felt some actual dysphoria with it this time due largely to the extreme shakiness in my hands especially. Think it was too much for first dose.

2nd time- Skpped 2 days and tried it again...this time i ate briefly before and took about 10g's again, this time with no avail...felt like a very low threshold dose. I hear taking it with any food in your tummy greatly diminishes its effects

3rd time- Tried TKK's Green Vein (supposed to be one step from the best) and got very little effects. Not quite sure. I hear tolerance goes up VERY FAST w/ Krat. Hmmm... and the trial goes on.

4th time- Ultra Prem Thai (Jan's): Dose: around 7-8grams: Even Keeled feeling buzz. Took longer to come on, about an hour+ but actually felt a mild euphoria with a nice speed buzz. Very strong head buzz and mild body buzz. Quite pleasant

5th time- Tkk Green Vein, dose: ~12g's: Felt effect in between Bali and Ultra Thai this time, quite pleasant....I don't seem to get it... last time felt almost nothing, this time very strong and pleasant...lasted about 4-5 hours too, peaking after about 1.5hrs

6th time- Ultra Thai ~10-11g's: ??? Feeling similar to first time w/ TKK Green Vein...unusual..is it the tolerance...very little effect???

7th time- TKK Green Vein, does: 12g's: low level stimulant feeling, mild effects???

8th- Ultra Thai- dose ~11g's: very little effect again....i am lost...must be the tolerance...i am out of this strain and the Bali Strain, only TKK left...much coarser than this strain, harder to swallow...seems to be a direct corrolation between food and effect, works best when you wake up and a comple empty stomach!

I think i will try 15's this time and if that doesnt do much, then this stuff has a crazy fast tolerance build. BTW- NO opiate use during this whole experiment w/ krat. I know i have a high ope tolerance, but this builds with some major fierceness! We'll see how 15 g's is...if it keeps going up like this, i can see it being very expensive to maintain...not as much os Ox's, but still enough...especially considering im only doing it on average every OTHER day and is still building fast! Let me know what you all think...Later!

[Mu-Lover]

I kinda rushed thru that review...here's my impression and thoughts on my experience.

Overall, i give krato a B+ for the effects. Haven't noticed any WD's from it...well, nothing major..some normal slughiness the next day, but just like after any stimulant. There's definetly a strong stimulant factor to this plant. Definetly, NOT for relaxing...at least at anything above a threshold dose.

Bottom line...I like it personally and is a great substitute if your out of opies. I dont find it to feel like opies at all. I think it has its own category. Great for the morning and i could see it being a great help with getting going to get to work in the morning. Which is pretty much what i intend on using it for. That is, if my tolerance allows it. If it keep going up, i just cant see myself eating 3 pounds of what tastes like ground up grass in 40 cups of juice! HA! It actually doesnt have that bad of taste...just takes like a plant, whatever the hell that means. Don't listen to me...its very managable to get down tho. Kinda clumps up in the back of your throat if you dont down it fast enough, better get more fluids down.

Its a nice tool for getting by, and as with all things that feel good, i don't think i'll ever feel that "rush" like i did the first few times. That is, without emptying a lawn mower bag full of it down my throat. What can we do tho, this is how we live....do what we gotta do to get by. Thats my thoughts.

PS...as far as suppliers go. I definetly like Flagler (Jan). She is very fast and always has your stuff out quick. Shipping is free for anything over $30, which is nice. Some of these other sites seem to try to make up some extra profits from charging anywhere up to $10+ for regular USPS! Definetly not worth paying $30-45 for overnite shipping...regular priority only takes 2-4 days, depending how far you are. I always get mine in 2 days and its free! (from Jan). Jan also includes some sample herbal tea and other little novelties and organic botanical tid bits along w/ a some carying sacs...nice touch, very personable and reliable...others seem to be business as usual and you get your stuff in a ziploc bag and thats it. Thats what i think, tell me what you think. Feel free to ask me any questions if your a newbie like i was.;)

[OhJoy]

I use Jan too. Always top notch product and quick shipping. I can't do that stuff for more than a couple of days. I get tired of trying to get it down, but in an emergency it will be a life saver. I always drink hot tea while I'm chugging the k/juice mix. It takes about 40 minutes for me to feel effects.

[Euphoricgirl]

I am surprised that not more people here use Jan. She is very reliable, quickest and cheapest shipping on the planet, uses cod and has great stuff, along with all the other extra goodies that she sends you. I really liked her "tea" blend.

[I-Nod]

Great experience reports Mu-Lover! Can't really afford to go testing everything myself right now, but it's nice to see some feedback on the different sources and types out there.
Thats weird how sometimes the K worked and sometimes it didn't. But, did you experience any WD's at all? When I first started w/ K, I didn't feel crap for the first week, or more... then I started feeling a nice little sedated feeling off of 2tsp (usually in the morning... then chasing it the rest of the day.) It's nothing major, but shit... I didn't feel WD's! That's all I hoped for, anything more is bonus. Thanks again for the reports Mu.
Lastly, which would you say is best? and best bang for your buck?

[Mu-Lover]

Great experience reports Mu-Lover! Can't really afford to go testing everything myself right now, but it's nice to see some feedback on the different sources and types out there.
Thats weird how sometimes the K worked and sometimes it didn't. But, did you experience any WD's at all? When I first started w/ K, I didn't feel crap for the first week, or more... then I started feeling a nice little sedated feeling off of 2tsp (usually in the morning... then chasing it the rest of the day.) It's nothing major, but shit... I didn't feel WD's! That's all I hoped for, anything more is bonus. Thanks again for the reports Mu.
Lastly, which would you say is best? and best bang for your buck?

I think your only feeling the threshold effects because 2tsp is only about 5 grams...i guess it depends on your weight tho. Maybe try a little more. By no means am i advising or suggesting you take more, just my opinion. Maybe i would try a Tablespoon next time (around 7-7.5g's). Its definetly ALL about the dose. Always, if possible, take on an empty stomach, and closely monitor your dose. They herbal blend tea definetly seems to enhance the effects of Krat. You can get this tea blend for free if you order from Jan. I thought it may be placebo effect, but the times i didnt use the tea, i definetly saw a drop off in effects. As far as bang for the buck goes, I'd definetly go with either of the top 2 qualities from Jan (flaglercafe). Bali or Thai, Thai is about 20 bucks more, but more even keeled, plus you can use less than usual. Its also a microfine powder and is very easy to mix n gulp.Definetly seems to be a higher concentration of alkaloids in the so called "high" quality stuff. I know some people say its all the same, but thats just ignorant, sorry. Is all cannibus the same, NO! Almost ever plant, herb, mushroom species that contains alkaloids that we use very in potency from strain to strain, even plant to plant within the same strain! So there, =)

[kramorph]

Just had to add that not only do the individual chemical concentrations vary between strains, growing conditions, fertilizers used/not used etc. But often it is a group of related chemicals that combine in different concentrations creating subtley different effects between individual plants. Not only that each individual human has differring biochemistry and so also experience slightly different effects.