Can it be done?

[Chemical_Boy]

Do you think that a person with a history of poly-drug abuse is capable of maintaining the use of prescription pain killers, and use them as directed with out abusing them? How about if a person was at one time a tweeker-assed methhead, a crackhead, stoner, junkie, acid freak, pill-popping, drunk? Assume that at the same time as having the pre-stated history that this person also has chronic pain issues, so while having the urge to abuse the medicine, knows that this would leave him in a shitty place when he runs out.

We'll call this person SWIM. That will everybody. . .hehehe.

OK, fuck it, it's me all right? Are you happy now? Jeeez!

:D:D

[flipside]

I would say based on personal experience that it is indeed possible but ONLY if your pain is adequately controlled. If not all bets are off.
I was able to stay within the parameters as RX'd when I was being managed properly ( no real high just pain controlled) , of course every now and then i would still seek that recreational high. But anything is possble. Depends on you.;)

[jacky]

if you have chronic pain, then in my opinion, using pain relievers is not addiction, even if you use more than is prescribed. if you are trying to relieve pain, and the standard amount is not enough, then I dont see it as abuse to take more.
I dont see recreational, daily use as the worst case scenario....I see people paying insane amounts of money for illegal substances that are not standardized as the worst case scenario. mainly cause the greedy bastards out there got the bulk of the christian world to slam the door on shivas fingers.

well, the commies hated opiates too, except to kill pain of fighting a war.

Dr Otto Snow sent me a personal communication once, that in Florida, people at the end of their lives, people unable to take care of themselves, were being given CODEINE instead of proper pain relief just because they didnt have anyone to stand up for them.
he described the treatment as inhumane, all because some doctors, or nurses, were either stealing meds, or because of the threat of lawsuits, or because the state was being cheap.
either way people were basically left in pain while they died,...needlessly. morphine isnt the most expensive thing on earth, as a matter of fact...that codeine those patient were given was most likely MORPHINE to fucking begin with!!
yes, a good portion of morphine is synthed into codeine for some stupid reason. perhaps it is drug enforcement and not good medicine that is the reason for such a decision, or perhaps I am missing something.

I say take the matters in to your own hands, you have a right really to these substances and all substances except maybe weapons of mass destruction according to our constitution (toilet paper by now).....if you feel like you need opiates in your life, then take matters seriously, just cause you are a junky self professed doesnt mean shit.

on the other hand, if you think you may cause pain to yourself or the people around you, weigh the decision heavily, if there are children involved, then you have a whole world of understanding that I am not currently involved with.
I suggest staying away from the needle. oral administration of opiates might not be as effective, but if it sky rockets your tolerance, you may be better of at a lower tolerance, taking oral opioids/opiates that seem to stay in the body longer.
I use kratom to supplement, chocolate, chamomille, skullcap, my 4 herb blend (comparable to the trademarked substance catuama)pods, poppy seeds, nigella sative oil on a weekly basis.

I hope your cp situation at least gets stabilized....

[youwonhundred]

Do you think that a person with a history of poly-drug abuse is capable of maintaining the use of prescription pain killers, and use them as directed with out abusing them? How about if a person was at one time a tweeker-assed methhead, a crackhead, stoner, junkie, acid freak, pill-popping, drunk? Assume that at the same time as having the pre-stated history that this person also has chronic pain issues, so while having the urge to abuse the medicine, knows that this would leave him in a shitty place when he runs out.

We'll call this person SWIM. That will everybody. . .hehehe.

OK, fuck it, it's me all right? Are you happy now? Jeeez!

:D:D

Having abused almost all of the aforementioned substances at one time or another, and dealing with chronic pain issues for many years, I would like to point out that now that I am properly medicated (I'm pain free, and feeling pretty good off the prescribed doses of my current meds) I have no inclination to abuse them. Maybe I am not as "addicted" as I have been in the past, or maybe I am just trying to keep myself from being in that shitty position (being out sucks donkey balls). The fact remains that once the doc got my meds to an "acceptable" level, I actually take less than I am prescribed, and since I have ms contins (which dont get me really high, but i dont get sick either) I can wake up without the beginnings of w/d creeping up on me.

Maybe, with the longer acting nature of the morph, with the occasional perc to boost my high and kill the odd twinge, I personally have ZERO reason to abuse them. I'm also able to accomplish a lot more, on a day to day basis, without the ups and downs of short acting narcotics. Funniest thing of all is that 30 mgs of morphine is all it takes to keep me "well." I know that my tolerance is pretty damn low at present, and this probably won't last all that long, but I am gonna enjoy it while it does.

This reminds me of an article I was reading yesterday.

I'd like to explain one more term, and that is something called pseudo addiction . That refers to when a patient is not getting enough of an opioid, in other words they are undertreated for their pain. They will develop symptoms similar to addiction, so they will require more of the drug and may even engage in some addictive behaviors, but the reason for that is that their pain has been undertreated.This seems to describe my situation to a T. Now that I'm on enough to stay "well" and pain free, I hardly think about dope at all. The entire article can be found here:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53670

[flipside]

if you have chronic pain, then in my opinion, using pain relievers is not addiction, even if you use more than is prescribed. if you are trying to relieve pain, and the standard amount is not enough, then I dont see it as abuse to take more.
I dont see recreational, daily use as the worst case scenario....I see people paying insane amounts of money for illegal substances that are not standardized as the worst case scenario. mainly cause the greedy bastards out there got the bulk of the christian world to slam the door on shivas fingers.

well, the commies hated opiates too, except to kill pain of fighting a war.

Dr Otto Snow sent me a personal communication once, that in Florida, people at the end of their lives, people unable to take care of themselves, were being given CODEINE instead of proper pain relief just because they didnt have anyone to stand up for them.
he described the treatment as inhumane, all because some doctors, or nurses, were either stealing meds, or because of the threat of lawsuits, or because the state was being cheap.
either way people were basically left in pain while they died,...needlessly. morphine isnt the most expensive thing on earth, as a matter of fact...that codeine those patient were given was most likely MORPHINE to fucking begin with!!
yes, a good portion of morphine is synthed into codeine for some stupid reason. perhaps it is drug enforcement and not good medicine that is the reason for such a decision, or perhaps I am missing something.

I say take the matters in to your own hands, you have a right really to these substances and all substances except maybe weapons of mass destruction according to our constitution (toilet paper by now).....if you feel like you need opiates in your life, then take matters seriously, just cause you are a junky self professed doesnt mean shit.

on the other hand, if you think you may cause pain to yourself or the people around you, weigh the decision heavily, if there are children involved, then you have a whole world of understanding that I am not currently involved with.
I suggest staying away from the needle. oral administration of opiates might not be as effective, but if it sky rockets your tolerance, you may be better of at a lower tolerance, taking oral opioids/opiates that seem to stay in the body longer.
I use kratom to supplement, chocolate, chamomille, skullcap, my 4 herb blend (comparable to the trademarked substance catuama)pods, poppy seeds, nigella sative oil on a weekly basis.

I hope your cp situation at least gets stabilized....

Excellent advice and post jacky, the first part really helped me out with a lot of the personal demons I am struggling with right now. Thanks!

As for the codiene..when i was home my mom was diagnosed as being out of remission and was given T3's for her pain. I called the doc and said that was unaccaaptable they called her in script for Ultram! I then called the oncologist who is about to perform her 2nd surgery and Mom is now at least on Morphine.

I am so excitdto try the Kratom.. I don't expect a miracle but I really hopes it helps as a supplement so I can keep the self medicating down and stop spendindg money I don't have just to be able to function and care for my kids.

[gnat]

I really don't have any idea of how it feels to be pain free. Sure I can be for a couple hours hear and there depending on the pain meds I've taken but I can always feel the pain even when I've taken alot.

I've been through everything and plenty of it, except needles. I would like to believe that I do pretty well with my meds. I am undermedicated by choice if you will. I worked with my doctor to drop certain meds, dosages, and frequency. I do take more than what I'm prescribed but it's still not half of what I used to be given, hell not really even a quarter.

Anyways, I can't speak for you but I do think it's possible. Sure some months are different from others, and we all have bad days but overall I consider myself to be doing very well.

[kyuss]

Do you think that a person with a history of poly-drug abuse is capable of maintaining the use of prescription pain killers, and use them as directed with out abusing them?


NO

[nick]

Can it be done? It's possible,but somethings are more likely than others.

[Chemical_Boy]

Can it be done? It's possible,but somethings are more likely than others.

In the past I have been able to maintain for a while, but then I usually end up taking more of a recreational dose. So it's like I almost have the willpower but my compulsiveness usually ends up getting the better of me. More recently, I indulge a bit at first and then save a "pain stash" that I use later when things get rough. So far I have been able to use the "pain stash" as it is meant to be used, though it is a struggle not to simply get another buzz out of them by using them up. I find I am able to control myself better these days since it really does suck to run out and need them. Before I started using pain meds for pain, and only used them for recreation, I was NEVER able to make them last no matter how hard I tried. I overindulged from the time I got them until they were gone, regardless of whether I was working, playing, or anything. I am happy to say that this is no longer the case.
I agree with the people above about the fact that being under medicated is a surefire way to end up using more and running out early.
But I also question my ability to keep this pattern up or improve it in the long run. I am sure that I am not the only one who goes through phases of relative self-control, only to find that the downward spiral still awaits them in the long (or not so long) run.
Being a pain patient and an addict is a bitch, but what can you do, you know? I am just debating myself right now as to whether or not I should pursue pain relief and also possible negative outcomes, or if I should suck it up and keep my life on course. Such is life.