Buprenorphine POLL (input *greatly* appreciated!)

[greenfox]

It's poll time! Please answer the poll honestly and give the following information if you can:

1) What dose of sub's were you taking? (2mg-30mg max I think?)
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling?
3) Subx or SUB?
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? (and finally)
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!)

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[Sitar]

I'm "lucky" in that I can get pretty much full effects from a full agonist opiate only 24 hours after my last Suboxone dose. At least with daily doses of Sub no more than 4 or 6 mgs. This was attempted with Pods and Hydro. Oxy didn't seem to have this same power, though.

I have a friend that needs to wait at least 48 hours. Sucks for him.

Tramadol is not affected by bupe, and I found that it could be taken concurrently with Subs with no effect on its efficacy.

[160mgsAday]

It' takes swim 24 hours-30 to actually get high after sub dose

1) What dose of sub's were you taking? 12 mgs
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? daily for 12 months now
3) Subx or SUB?suboxone,(bullshit but doc won't script subutex)
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? done it with all of them, but most likely oxy, or sumtime dilly or h
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!) push through a lil bit, usually takes 80 mgs oc to get high, and takes about 100 mgs to get fucked for the whole day after the last sub dose.

[Narkotikon]

I just guessed. I voted for 72 hours because of my experience with methadone. I've never taken bupe before, so I'm not sure if it would be the same or not. That was my guess though.

[Dolophine]

I'm not on Buprenorphine but i've read about alot of people trying to dose and not feeling effects if they do it too early. Most people need to wait more than 72 hours or at least that what i've gathered from reading about peoples posts and from info on websites. But it depends on the person. just like everything else.

[repeek]

There are so many variables it really is a crap shoot until you find out for yourself. I can use as short as 5, 6 hours on a 4mg dose and feel the effects (though weaker than usual).

You have the size of dose, how often you dose, your metabolism (some people can process Bup in a few hours, some days), your diet and no telling what else.

[Porgie]

I'm on around 2 mgs a day, sometimes a little more, and have been it for a little over 2 years. It takes over 24 hours for me to get a "clean" high off full agonist opiates after my last dose of Suboxone. By "clean" I guess I'm talking about not have to "push/break" thru the Suboxone. Hydrocodone is almost a no go at any dose. I just get sick from the apap. But I was almost out of the Hydro range when I started Suboxone. 7.5 worked but 5 mg were a waste of time for me even before Suboxone.

I've been on both Subutex and Suboxone. Mostly Suboxone but I can get my doctor to write for either one but sometimes he forgets and won't change the script.

I've been on many different full agonist opiates in the two years I've used Suboxone. Once Kadian, another time Fentanyl but I first noticed I could still feel opiates if my Sub was on a low dose around, 2 mgs, and had been there for a while and I took at least 40 mg of Oxycododone with very little apap.

When I was on the Kadian and the Fentanyl it was threw a pain clinic who thought I would be stopping the Suboxone. I did until I ran out of the full agonist and then went back to the Suboxone. I seldom wait fhe full day to start the full agonist but the high gets better on the second day or so after my last dose of Suboxone.

I've also noticed it take a large dose of Suboxone to get back on it. Even if I've been on just 2 mg for a month or better if I go off the Suboxone to several days on a full opiate I can't just go back to just 2 mgs. I a little sick when I make the change back if I've done a lot of a full agonist. It's can be just like when I first started Suboxone in that I have to take as much as 16 mgs for a day or so until I can taper back down to my maintanence level of 2 mgs a day.

I'd have to say that even tho Suboxone has many good points since I'm never in withdrawals anymore it has increased my tolerence a great deal.

[Opiyum]

Hard to answer cause I could get high an hour after dosing but it would take a ton more shit but I get what your trying to do so I'll give my two cents.

When taking my stable dose of Subs (8mg a day 1/2 morn 1/2 night) I normally wait 36 hours and its then and only then that I can get a decent buzz from mainlining two 80's or 4 or 5 stamps. Occasionally "dude" comes across real good white dope and normally a twenty dollar bag of that does wonders. Thats rare though.
Sometimes Im stupid and ill do something within the 24 hour mark and when i do i can feel it but with no rush from the shot and no nod whatsoever. No comfortable warm place just a place slightly nicer than that which suboxone puts you in.
Enough. I dont want to talk about drugs anymore.....At least not until I get my tax return and unemployment check.


But as Repeek mentioned there is really no way to pin something like this down. It's completely subjective so you have to figure your own way to go about.

[jacky]

I was on naltrexone, and was able to get high on heroin while taking that crap.

a freind of mine died trying to repeat my stupid ass experiment a few months later.

I felt incredible opiate effects the day after I quit doing bup from an avinza, and some kratom, and some pods. I mean it was really, really good. dont know if the bup had anything to do with that, but I was pretty JACKED.

I cant stand taking bup for much longer than a few months, and didnt know for a long time that you could take standard opiate while on the stuff. but I shouldve known, as I was able to get high on natlrexone.

one think I really like with bup is salvinorin, the bup blunts the salvinorin a bit, and seems to make it more euphoric. I get some intense waves of euphoria and pain relief when mixing the two, and 40 minutes later the combination drops me to sleep.

[HistoryofMadness]

I think a BIG part of this one is how much bupe you are on. When I was on 8mg, there was no way I was getting high for more than 24hrs. When I was on 4mg it was basically the same but I could feel a little something IF i did a fuckload and it was close to 24 hrs.

When i finally learned how to do subs right and started taking 1mg or less per day, I could get high within 12 hours no problem. And if I skipped a day, and then did 1mg, I could easily get high within 8hrs.

[Opiyum]

I really don't know that there is a "right" way to do bupe as HOM said it's going to vary from person to person but there sure as hell is a wrong way and unfortunately most people are taking too much or are being told, by their doctor, to take to much. So I get what our saying. Someone awhile back was taking somewhere in the balllpark of 3-4 8mg pills a day and complained that they still felt like shit.
I don't know why anyone prescribed this stuff wouldn't know about it's ceiling effect nut it's definately a problem but it's surely a problem that needs fixin. In the same way that my balls need wetifyin'. It's been a minute and theys'a achin'.

Thing that gets me is that even when I do find myself at a point where I have been taking a milligram a day of this shit it's still extremely frustrating and moderately difficult to kick. Nothing intense mind you but god damn it drags on for quite some time....bitches....

[tptptp]

It's poll time! Please answer the poll honestly and give the following information if you can:

1) What dose of sub's were you taking? (2mg-30mg max I think?)
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling?
3) Subx or SUB?
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? (and finally)
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!)

---- THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR HONEST POLL ANSWERS ... THIS INFO *WILL* BE COMPILED INTO A USER FAQ WHEN IT'S COMPLETE! ----

Oh how I have missed your polls....:rolleyes:

;)

[ZodiacKiller]

I'm basically down to 2mg Bupe (or less if I don't stray off the wagon) every morning, and I can be getting high on my usual half-gram of heroin that very night with no noticable blocking effects whatsoever.



ZK

[Sitar]

I've dropped to .75 mgs. buprenorphine per day. Hopefully within the next month, I'll be stable at only .5 mgs. a day. Then I will try to drop it down to .3 mgs. per day and then drop it by a tenth of a milligram evey 2 or 3 weeks until I'm totally weened off.

My friend is convinced to drop off at 4 mgs. a day, but I feel safer tapering off to a very low dose before stopping completely. I have a stockpile of Clonidine, Klonopin, and Ambien for coming off the Suboxone.

It's easy to think that I could drop off at 1 milligram or something, but knowing that buprenorphine is prescribed at only .2 mgs., I know that 1 milligram is still a quite significant dose. So I don't feel safe dropping off until I'm at least down to .2 mgs. per day.

The cool thing is that I over 50 Suboxone 8s. That means I have over a year's supply at my current dose. I don't plan on being on it that long, but it's nice to know I could be if necessary.

[SuckerOnSub]

Hi All, here's my answers :)


1) What dose of sub's were you taking? 8mg daily
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? Have been on Sub for 5 months.
3) Subx or SUB? Suboxone.
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? Codeine and Oxycodone
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!) 800mg orally of Codeine 27 hours after last 8mg Sub dose.

---- THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR HONEST POLL ANSWERS ... THIS INFO *WILL* BE COMPILED INTO A USER FAQ WHEN IT'S COMPLETE! ----

[greenfox]

I've dropped to .75 mgs. buprenorphine per day. Hopefully within the next month, I'll be stable at only .5 mgs. a day. Then I will try to drop it down to .3 mgs. per day and then drop it by a tenth of a milligram evey 2 or 3 weeks until I'm totally weened off.

My friend is convinced to drop off at 4 mgs. a day, but I feel safer tapering off to a very low dose before stopping completely. I have a stockpile of Clonidine, Klonopin, and Ambien for coming off the Suboxone.

It's easy to think that I could drop off at 1 milligram or something, but knowing that buprenorphine is prescribed at only .2 mgs., I know that 1 milligram is still a quite significant dose. So I don't feel safe dropping off until I'm at least down to .2 mgs. per day.

The cool thing is that I over 50 Suboxone 8s. That means I have over a year's supply at my current dose. I don't plan on being on it that long, but it's nice to know I could be if necessary.

yeah it IS nice to know you have a nice foxy stockpile. Wowsers trowsers tho, .2 is a very slurpy low dose! I feel like a sub junky at +16 a day! I've started to take a little less tho... wow thanks for all who responded I'm going to do something fun with all these numbers.

[somadude]

It's poll time! Please answer the poll honestly and give the following information if you can:

1) What dose of sub's were you taking? (2mg-30mg max I think?)
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling?
3) Subx or SUB?
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? (and finally)
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!)

---- THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR HONEST POLL ANSWERS ... THIS INFO *WILL* BE COMPILED INTO A USER FAQ WHEN IT'S COMPLETE! ----
1. 2 i have taken more but 8 made me puke
2. I take it when I run out of my monthly script of painkillers
3. hydro
4. not sure

[Sitar]

Well shit. I've had to go back up to 1 milligram a day for the last several days because of serious depression. It's not much of an increase in dose, but it does seem to make a difference. Man, this shit's gonna be a lot harder to come off of than I originally thought.

Addictions suck.

[AZJunkie]

How are you splitting the pills down so small???? And, how are you taking them? Up your nose?

[Sitar]

Well I get the 8 milligram pills which does make splitting it down into little doses hard, but they're cheaper than the 2s. But I do it by cutting one in half with a decent pill cutter. Then I take one half and cut that into two pieces with the pill cutter.

Then I take one of these little quarter-pill 2 milligram chunks and crush it in a pill crusher into a fine powder. I dump out the powder onto a smooth table and use a razor blade and in good lighting procede to divide the pile of powder as evenly as possible into two piles of 1 milligram each. Sometimes that takes a while until I'm satisfied that they're really even. I'm very meticulous about that.

Then I take a straw cut from a pen barrel and, using the clearest nostril at the time, sniff up one of the piles of powder into my nose. When snorting bupe, it's imperative that you hold it in your nasal cavities as long as absolutely possible instead of letting it drip because bupe is not effective if swallowed.

I usually keep it up there by snorting (outward, not inward) whenever I feel it starting to drip. It's a balancing act, but it's not too hard and I usually have no trouble keeping it in there for at least 20 minutes or so before it starts to get difficult to keep it up there.

But I don't swallow it. I hock the bupe-filled mucus into my mouth and hold it under my tongue or in my cheeks until it's all dissolved. This way, none of the bupe gets swallowed. I really, truly, honestly feel that this method makes the Subs TWICE as strong as doing them sublingually. Yes, twice as strong.

Wow, I've never before described my whole process in such detail. I hope someone got something out of all that.

[Paregoric Kid]

I normally waited 36 hours, but longer if it was possible. I'm the only one who voted 36 hours. a day and a half usually was alright especially when using smaller doses of bupe. sometimes when coming off higher doses it seemed to dull the effects but just a tiny bit.
1) What dose of sub's were you taking? 3-32mg
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? when I absolutly needed to then back to the good stuff
3) Subx or SUB? suboxone
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? methadone and oxycodone
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? regular dose
I'd like to see the people who get high on their normal dose of their DOC within 2-6 hours of taking bupe.

[SansX]

if I only take a little I can feel dope, but not as strong, like its quater strength. Doing more doesn't help. a little longer than 24 hrs is fine, longer is better. One WARNING tho, I almost overdosed, it felt liuke the dope was weak the night before (2mg suboxone 10am) shot 3 bags, little buzz, I did one bag first thing the next morning, and would have done more, but I misplaced them, and woke up hours later drooling. careful!



1) What dose of sub's were you taking? (2mg-30mg max I think?) 2-4 mgs 1 or 2 times day 8mg day after using
2) Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? regularly
3) Subx or SUB? X
4) What DOC did you use AFTER last Buprenorphine dose? (and finally) ? heroin?
5) Did you "push/break through" or just dose reg. w/ DOC? (IF you p/b through, by how much ((mg or xtra bags?)) thanks!!) tried both. couldn't break thru.

[Opiyum]

I'd like to see the people who get high on their normal dose of their DOC within 2-6 hours of taking bupe.

I'd rather see myself get high 2-6 hours after taking bupe.

[dolofina]

Here's my replies:
1. What dose of subs were you taking? 16 mgs. daily
2. Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? regularly via a clinic
3. Subx or SUB? Suboxone
4. What DOC did you use after last Buprenorphine dose? hydro
5. Did you "push/ break through" or just dose regularly with your DOC?
Dosed regularly- but had to take more of the hydro (than before Suboxone treatment),
because my tolerance seemed to have increased
(if I am understanding this question correctly).
Interesting poll. :)

[Skript]

Here's my replies:
1. What dose of subs were you taking? 16 mgs. daily
2. Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? regularly via a clinic
3. Subx or SUB? Suboxone
4. What DOC did you use after last Buprenorphine dose? hydro
5. Did you "push/ break through" or just dose regularly with your DOC?
Dosed regularly- but had to take more of the hydro (than before Suboxone treatment),
because my tolerance seemed to have increased
(if I am understanding this question correctly).
Interesting poll. :)

How long on 16mg? I dropped down to 4-6mg/day in a week and felt the same.. I would stock em up if ya dont need em..

[Sitar]

Exactly. Most people are taking more than they need. 16, 24, 32 milligrams is very much overkill.

You might need a high dose for the first week or so, but after that, dropping significantly is easy. You're only wasting the Subs and putting off getting totally clean by remaining at a high dose past the first week or so.

[mikells43]

im going to do the deviding thing into little piles right now. thats very awsome and i do the same thing with the lugies lol grose but effective. and subutex tastes like shit orally anyhow

[eukodol3000]

Here's my replies:
1. What dose of subs were you taking? Got up to 32mg daily at one point, but now take 16mg
2. Were you taking it reg. or just a one time fling? everyday for 2.5 years for chronic pain
3. Subx or SUB? Suboxone
4. What DOC did you use after last Buprenorphine dose? I tried Opana ER with no effect I dont know if it was the dose or I didnt wait long enough.
5. Did you "push/ break through" or just dose regularly with your DOC? Started trying the Opana a day after the suboxone with no effect and even two days later no effect, by then I gave in and when back to suboxone. After reading several posts I am planning on trying to take tramadol with the suboxone, as many people seem to believe they work well together.

[roxi*stardust]

Let's let sleeping dogs lie. The OP isn't even a member here any longer, please check the dates on threads before replying to them.