Any opioid RC's?

[Canis aureus]

Yes,

is there...? Haven't heard about tho.


Most interesting ones about which I have been hearing have been some cathinone derivatives (and they are not opioid related)

[nick]

Hi Cainus,I can't help with the research opies,but I thought I'd tell you last time I was in London I had some great Khat.First time I'd had it fresh,thanks to my local Somali coffe house.Good stuff,when it's fresh it's like mild speed without the negatives.Watchout for fresh Khat,if you can find it in Finland.

[jacky]

I am waiting for a sample of supposed opioid active material, but I know nothing of its effects or structure relationship.
mind music is a smart drug type of material that I am interested in, apparently it has herb ingredients which are opioid active.

[Canis aureus]

yea,

I did read that it is really different than dry leaves, those fresh ones. Cathinone is somewhat unstabile chem and reduces to cathine or something like that... Is it like cathinone and methcathinone which reduces to ephedrine without acid...?

I have tried methylone (which is MDMCAT) analogical to MDMA but with cathinone basis. It was nice, and no crash. I think it is illegal or in best in that very grey area.

Jacky's post came while UI was posting that... INTERESTING!!!

[HistoryofMadness]

damn nick i've always wanted to try khat but the dea has pounced here in the states. according to them its a matter of "national security" because the funds go to the somalia warlords - which is true by the way.

fair warning for anyone in the states - if you're into it you are probably being tracked under terrorist watch laws.

[AWOL]

damn nick i've always wanted to try khat but the dea has pounced here in the states. according to them its a matter of "national security" because the funds go to the somalia warlords - which is true by the way.

fair warning for anyone in the states - if you're into it you are probably being tracked under terrorist watch laws.


Fair warning to anyone in the states. You are all terorists to your government, and you are all being tracked. World domination is ours !! Keep the masses disstracted with credit lines, new cars, big tvs, and shoes with lights in them, they'll never know what hit them untill it's too late !! muahahahahahahaha


(Sad btw, I really wanted to order some. Does this mean that any / all RC's are considered a matter of "national security"?? Wait that's a dumb question, I already know the answer. Stupid fucking nazi government. Land of the free my ass.)

[devilsdrug]

yes do u all realize how much "home secruity" money is now chasin drugs in your favorite city isnt that what the dea fbi and all those other 3 letter org. do

[HistoryofMadness]

Fair warning to anyone in the states. You are all terorists to your government, and you are all being tracked. World domination is ours !! Keep the masses disstracted with credit lines, new cars, big tvs, and shoes with lights in them, they'll never know what hit them untill it's too late !! muahahahahahahaha


(Sad btw, I really wanted to order some. Does this mean that any / all RC's are considered a matter of "national security"?? Wait that's a dumb question, I already know the answer. Stupid fucking nazi government. Land of the free my ass.)

hehe yeah that was kind of a joke being all dramatic, but khat is not an RC, I just mentioned it because it came up. khat is an herb.

and yes RCs get tracked too.

but nazi is a little extreme, i mean, we're not exactly being rounded up and killed yet.

yes do u all realize how much "home secruity" money is now chasin drugs in your favorite city isnt that what the dea fbi and all those other 3 letter org. do

yes i remember it was superbowl after 9/11 when the first commercial came on about this. i'd been calling it for months (i was in the field before 9/11 and some of us expected much of what we've seen)...

anyway it was a commercial that linked drug sales and terrorists.

which is of course bullshit unless you're talking about the dea.

[nick]

Just like to point out most CIA black ops are funded by drug money.So some of you guys are funding the agency.

[AWOL]

hehe yeah that was kind of a joke being all dramatic, but khat is not an RC, I just mentioned it because it came up. khat is an herb.

and yes RCs get tracked too.

but nazi is a little extreme, i mean, we're not exactly being rounded up and killed yet.




You should know by now about my posting style bro :p What can I say really, I drink too much and it sure sounds funny in my head while I'm typing it. :)

[HistoryofMadness]

You should know by now about my posting style bro :p What can I say really, I drink too much and it sure sounds funny in my head while I'm typing it. :)

i know and lay off the smileys.

[elegua]

My Khat bush died on the exact month that khat was banned in the US. How depressing! Especially because khat doesn't look like anything of note, it's a pretty ordinary looking bush.

Regarding khat financing somali warlords...um...I think that's an over-statement. Not entirely untrue, but khat is popular in many areas of east africa and the southern Arabian peninsula, and doesn't exclusively grow in Somalia. For example, before it was banned, I could order khat at a local ethiopian restaurant (it wasn't on the menu, and it took a while for them to know me well enough to respond to my inquiries), though after the ban they either couldn't get it or wouldn't admit having it. In the Americas and Europe, restaurants are the most common places to acquire it, and it is most frequently brought into the country by Europe-residing east africans who pack some of their suitcases with some bundles of the fresh stuff, making its availability limited -- after 72 hours or so post cutting, the stuff is pretty dead. Still, there are plenty of countries where khat is not illegal, and it's a relatively easy plant to grow unless you live in extremely long-winter areas, but even in that case a basic micro-greenhouse should be fine.

Regarding research RC's, there was one RC place that sold pure chemical nubain (they sold it by a fairly common chemical name, but it's been a while, I forget the precise name). However, said RC place went the way of all the other web-based RC places ca. 2001-2002.

[Paregoric Kid]

dermorphin, zipeprol, 7-hydroxymitragynine, 7-acetoxy-mitragynine, mitragynine, herkinorin

[Hammilton]

Khats been banned in the US longer than I've been alive. I don't know what you mean about some sort of recent khat ban? As I recall it showed up on the original printing of the CSA.

and nubain is definitely not an R/C. It's also scheduled again. They unscheduled it for a bit, but then rescheduled it. pharma's push it legal so docs would prescribe their nasal mister

[elegua]

Um...no. Khat was banned in the early 90's, around the time of the US-Somalia conflict. There were so many stories of drugged-out warlords and soldiers that the plant was banned. To be specific, here's part of the Wikipedia entry (even though I don't always consider wikipedia an 'authority')
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In the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), Cathine is in Schedule IV and cathinone is in Schedule I of the U.S. Controlled Substance Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substance_Act). The 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993) DEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Enforcement_Administration) rule placing cathinone in Schedule I noted that it was effectively also banning khat: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat)

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Ergo, Khat, cathinone, and methcathinone were all banned in 1993. If you have any evidence to the contrary, kindly refer me to that direction. I seriously doubt that more than a handful of extremely well-travelled and/or well-read americans a century and a half ago -- heck, only a handful of ethnobotanists and travel enthusiasts heard of it before the Somalia conflict.

[Hammilton]

I'm gonna go take a look again. I'm a little confused about the century and a half ago part. When do think the CSA was written? that'd put it back to the civil war, lol.

Looking at the 2007 Orange Book, I see that the scheduling process began in 1987 but wasn't completed until 93. That's an awfully long time.

oh, looking at the info, i see my mistake. I was thinking ibogaine.

[Hammilton]

also, I can't figure out the status of nubain. a DEA website says it's still unscheduled. another say it's scheduled.

[elegua]

According to an MD in my family, it's hopped between scheduled and unscheduled, and it's definitely watched even when unscheduled. There's some powerful lobbying behind nubain, methinks. Nobody who uses (clinically) nubain can figure out WHY it's not scheduled when many milder substances are fairly harshly scheduled.

[elegua]

Oh my god...I can't think of any legitimate excuse as to why I actually thought you were talking about Dixie. Insomnia? um...intoxication? I'm not that stupid...really...damn it.

[Hammilton]

sorry what are you taking about? dixie? little confused... thats common for me though ;)

[elegua]

I was referring for the fact that for some utterly incomprehensible reason, yes, I did think that CSA referred to something other than the Controlled Substances Act. Now stop asking before I slaughter any shred of dignity left...:)

[Hammilton]

When, finally I figured out it is unscheduled. I think if you ordered a huge stock-pile you might get a visit from the DEA asking what you're intending, but I don't think you'd face any criminal charges.

As long as it isn't in pill-form or I suppose in nubain's case, sniffer form, then you shouldn't even be breaking whatever illegal possession of prescription drugs.

I've seen websites selling Nalbuphine vials for pretty cheap, but they were also selling Oxycontin 80s so methinks scam.

Who knows.

Nalbuphine was found to actually increase pain in men, but decrease it in women. That's gotta be pretty unusual.

I really think the DEA ought to consider starting a maintenance program the way some other countries do. Why not register addicts and for a price send them 2 weeks worth of drug X at cost every 2 weeks.

partial agonists are difficult to OD on, higher doses aren't neccessarily more recreational and they don't usually prevent functioning. Send 14 .6mg ampoules of Buprenorphine every 14 days. Sounds like a good idea, imho.

I dunno.

[rachamim18]

Khat grows abundantly in Israel and is perfectly legal, I even have a ptch in my yard in Bat Yam. Until 2 years ago its isolated alkaloids were legal as well. Methcathinone was sold in yellow capsules , 10 for the equivalent of 4.50 US dollars in candy stores OTC, the way Americans stores have little herbal aphrodisiacs by the register in 7-11s,etc. A couple of dummys got into legal tyrouble and blamed it on the capsules and voila, gone.

On Nubain, I heard the US had Schedualed it bt have not heard about it being readded. It is a horrid substance to most for the instant antagonism. Here in Philippines it is the only abused opiate/opioid and is the only one doctors freely prescribe. I am interested in anyone having expereinced it because i am curious as the listed mild opiate effects of it.

As for the Kratom alkaloids being sold as RCs (Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxy), I am a degreed botanist and am able to obtain it in the US. I had to get liscenced and credentailed before I was able to even purchase it let alone legally recieve it. To my knowledge there is only one distributor, the Bangkok University. No drug company manufactures it to my knowledge and would be VERY suprised if a person was taking the time and effort to isloate them in lab conidtions for online sale.

[Hammilton]

yep, they are.

and nubain is indeed as of yet unscheduled.

[Buckshot]

Has there been any progress regarding which RC is opioid related?