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katomic
01-08-2007, 11:01 AM
Hay all
its been a while hope your all good I have come across this product and would to love to get an idea of whats inside them, the pills are sold by a BZP pill company in the UK
they say its like opium and they have had to bind something to the molecule to get it past the stomach and in the brain. It would be very interesting to know what’s inside I don’t think its kratom as they go on to say that a patient has been applied for.
Thanks


Chemisrty is the fourth of our ‘Generation 3.0 range of pills. Using the latest in BZP free neurotransmitter technology, London Underground invites you to discover the next generation of legal alternatives to drugs such as LSD & Psilocybin.
Generation 3.0 (B.Z.P Free Neurotransmitter Technology)


An interview with Dr London (Creator Gen3)



So Doctor London, Can you tell us a little about the new Gen3 range?


At the London Underground laboratory we are always striving to improve on what we have and to live up to our reputation for always being 1 step ahead of everyone else. Other companies are currently putting out BZP free formulas that have been quickly thrown together in order to take advantage of the regulatory situation in the U.K these products rely heavily on caffeine are no more effective than a strong cup of espresso coffee. London Underground is very proud of our current reputation for having the strongest, cleanest pills available and would never put out anything that did not meet the high standards that we set our selves, our new Gen3 range is no exception.


How did you come up with your new formulas?


Our teams of chemists and human lab rats (Got to give it up for our lab rats, no animals harmed) have been rigorously extracting, blending and testing mixture after mixture of herbal ingredients many of which are extremely rare in order to come up with our new Gen3 range.


The goal was to come up with a range of products that could be used as safe alternatives to many of the commonly used drugs in society today while containing no materials of a synthetic nature that could easily be regulated by government at the drop of a hat. Our second but equally important objective was to improve on both our classic and hardcore range and we believe we have done just that.


Come on now Dr London. There are hundreds of herbal energy formulas out there that also use herbal blends and are not anywhere near as effective as BZP based party pills. What makes your so different?


I’m glad you asked we approached the problem from a completely different angle. Instead of trying to through a bunch of chemicals together that are well known for there psychoactive properties when ingested we focused on another group of much more potent neurotransmitters that have been documented to have very pronounced effects when injected but due to the delicate nature of the molecules involved can not pass through the stomach acids unaltered and therefore have no effect when taken orally.


So are you saying that we need to inject the pills to get high?


No of course not we would have included a syringe if that were the case (Just Kidding). We knew that we needed to make use of specific chaperone molecules.


What are chaperone molecules?


Simply put chaperone molecules are substances that bind to other substances and temporarily change them so that they my pass through the stomach acid then once through they release the active ingredient in its original state.


Ok sounds good. Why doesn’t everyone do it?


I’m sure they eventually will. The challenge is not only finding the psychoactive herb in the first place but then finding a chaperone that will work on that specific herb and then finding a naturally occurring form of that herb.


So what is D.O.M.S?


D.O.M.S is an acronym for he 4 main active herbs in our base formula this the stimulant like component of the pills, the more D.O.M.S the speedier the product because of the great deal of time effort and money we have invested in coming up with this herbal formulation we have decided not to disclose the specific herbs until our final patient is through.


Fair enough. Why is the Gen3 Range more expensive?


Nothing is cheaper than BZP not even pharmaceutical grade caffeine this is because BZP is an intermediate chemical in lots of industrial chemicals and pharmaceuticals it is made in 100’s of tones at a time. The herbs in D.O.M.S and the other enhancers in Gen3 are much harder to get and therefore more expensive. But all that aside Gen3 is a better product with fewer side effects.


O.K Tell us about the first pill Neuroblast, that one is entirely D.O.M.S isn’t it.


Yes and as such it is the Gen3 version of bolts but cleaner and longer lasting.


That’s pretty impressive. How does it compare to Fast & Furious?


Again very favorably also the good thing about the Neuroblast is that it doesn’t have the unpleasant body load that you get after a few doses of BZP.


Can you sleep on it?


No don’t even bother to try.


Sounds Like a good one for raves then. What is Mind Music? I notice that one has no D.O.M.S.


No for this one we targeted a different part of the brain, the opiate receptors.


So it’s like Opium?


Well obviously I can’t make that claim but it does act on many of the same parts of the brain yes. Also it seems to make music sound better and can give slight visual enhancement, more so than E but less than acid. It really makes you just want to close your eyes and melt into the music. It’s my personal favorite.


Head Candy?


Head Candy is great it’s a cross between the first 2 Neuroblast and Mind Music and it really is a perfect E substitute much more so than Jax or XXX though not as strong as XXX it feels qualitatively better. It is our lab rats’ pill of choice (When there not working of course).


And Lastly Chemistry what does that do?


Chemistry is our version of herbal acid. Simply put it’s a nice mellow trip.


So it’s not a party pill as such?


No although some people do like it for that. Chemistry is best enjoyed in a small intimate group with not much else going on and not much stimulation, maybe out in nature or a friend’s spa pool, or with a group of friends at a day after party it’s a pretty cool way to relax and come down after a full on night out on other substances.

SpecialGuy69
01-08-2007, 11:08 AM
sounds like a lotta bullshit to me... All these pills out there claiming to be drug analogs or to stimulate the receptors, etc. I've never met someone who's felt any effects from the OTC herbal ecstasy. So, although I know NOTHING about this shit, I'm still gonna recommend you save your $ for REAL dope (or methadone therapy, whatever).

katomic
01-08-2007, 11:14 AM
Thanks for that
This wouldent work for me but i thort somone hear might be interested as the other products they sell work thay have BZP and TFMPP in them which work very much so.

SpecialGuy69
01-08-2007, 11:20 AM
okay, what's bzp and that other shit do/feel like?

Papa Verine
01-08-2007, 11:23 AM
I found one review froma a customer for the "Mind Music" product and it's not very promising.

quote Maybe i shouldve done more than 2 but they diddnt do a great deal. I felt a bit weird for a while..... unquote

covv799ss
01-08-2007, 07:29 PM
This is confusing...first they say it's a BZP-free formula, then they go on to mention that their BZP (which I thought they didn't have) is inactive orally (which shouldn't be true if it's BZP). They seem to imply that their herbal formulas contain BZP, which shouldn't be true either, at least from what I've read about it on Erowid.

Anyone claiming to have something that "has the same action" or is a "complete substitute" for another drug should be looked at with a lot of scrutiny, as a copy-cat substance would probably be illegal under the provisions of that analogue substances act or whatever it was called, it was passed in the 80's.

Another thing I found odd is that they don't even mention what's in the pill. Big indicator that it's BS. Like those "legal budz" or whatever, where they use all these archaic names for household herbs you can find in any spice cabinet.

SpecialGuy69
01-08-2007, 08:00 PM
^^ yeah like "lion's paw" and "tiger's tail weed" and shit like that. Legal smoke is the biggest bunch of shit I've ever seen. It just indoctrinates slightly educated drug users into the practice of ripping off totally naieve drug users. And so on goes the cycle of drug culture eating it's own.

jacky
01-08-2007, 11:12 PM
I am assuming that essential oils are used as "chaperone" molecules to get the compounds to have increased absorption.
there is at least one patent using essential oils of various kinds to increase the bioavailability of certian drugs, including opiates.

this company is like alot of others that think they are going to protect their recipes forever, they are trying to sell basically what amounts to a PATENT medicines of yore....
a few companys, even well respected ethnobotanical companys are starting to not list the ingredients in certian herb blends.
which makes the product useless for my research unless I know what it is I am consuming.

most of them say that when they get the material patented, or have a proprietory blend figured out, that they will share the basic recipe.
which is bullshit, cause you cannot sell a supplement without listing the full ingredients, both "inactive' and active, so how would you get a patent in the first place on an herb blend, you cannot, you can claim a proprietory blend, but you still have to list the ingredients in the order of the ratio of the blend.

this is what is holding us back from having heantos sold in the states. the vendor doesnt want to divulge ingredients. he thought the FDA would just allow him to bend the rules since his blend of herbs is so revolutionary and all that that he should get different treatment.

it is called greed.

all I know is that it might be fine for flavoring, or for smoke blends, but for herbs that you actually consume....the people need to know the ingredients.

I was sent a sample of a dopamine agonist, actually a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, from poland. I dont really like stimulants much, so I am pretty much shelving the compound, it is really expensive. for a few months the donor wouldnt tell me what the compound actually was, till they had a bunch synthesized and ready for sale.
well finally he sent me the name of the compound, so I could do research on it. in the last communication he sent, he mentioned that I might be more interested in the next sample that he is going to send me. this one is a NOVEL OPIOID, and same thing, he cant tell me the compound name, until they have kilos of the material synthed and off to market.
now I am a bit different with opioids, and not knowing.....I will take the opioid sample blind, just to get a feel for exploration, and then be stoked to find out the identity later.

when researching herbs, a few blind studies are not a bad idea, but it is always best to finally know the outcome and what the identity of the mystery compound is. you really will limit sales in the end, and I think that the smart portion of the consumer base out there, will demand identity. for all we know they could be selling 95% inactive ingredients and charging a shitload.

there are a good number of commercially avialable herbs that have mild opioid effects, they could be putting the kappa opioid agonist menthol in there and claiming that it is 50% opioid in content. they wouldnt be lying, but the fact is, menthol is at best a moderate stimulant, a topical pain reliever, and an internal antitussive about the potency of codeine. does is feel like codeine...HELL NO....I wish it did.
what we need is a chemist to work on the binding qualities of menthol, and turn it into a good smelling mu agonist...sheeesh.

robojunkie
01-08-2007, 11:26 PM
I was sent a sample of a dopamine agonist, actually a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, from poland. I dont really like stimulants much, so I am pretty much shelving the compound, it is really expensive. for a few months the donor wouldnt tell me what the compound actually was, till they had a bunch synthesized and ready for sale.
well finally he sent me the name of the compound, so I could do research on it.

So what was the name of the dari compound, jacky? Can you say?

OxyContinuously
01-09-2007, 09:39 AM
okay, what's bzp and that other shit do/feel like?


Hey, tm. BZP and TFMPP (tro-fluoro-methyl-phenyl-piperazine) are two strong stimulants. I guess I would say the resemble Adderall as far as feeling; speedy, jittery, and BZP's comedown can suck if you take too much, but that's it. They are very simple, straightforward stimulants, somewhere between amphetamine and MDMA (not at all like ecstasy, unfortunately; I used E as the example to illustrate the hallucinatory aspects TFMPP is sometimes hailed for, ie tracers, flashes, optical illusions basically, not a trip as in acid or 'shrooms, but a trip, nonetheless)

OxyC

Chipper
01-10-2007, 08:11 AM
I went to to NZ and found BZP+TFMPP in a "party pills" store so I bought 2 of them. They had 200mg BZP + 80mg TFMPP.

Just like a low dose E. without the love, nothing exciting at $10 each

Seedy
01-10-2007, 02:10 PM
I went to to NZ and found BZP+TFMPP in a "party pills" store so I bought 2 of them. They had 200mg BZP + 80mg TFMPP.

Just like a low dose E. without the love, nothing exciting at $10 each

Without the love and the worst comedown ever, especially at doses like that. Damn I hate "Party Pills"!

HistoryofMadness
01-10-2007, 02:17 PM
BZP is supposed to be illegal in the states. it is reported to help with the PAWS (after WD) depression and lethargy. its also been reported to help some in acute WD. i can't remember who (katomic?) but someone here said it was a good addition to a detox cocktail.

but other than that I've never heard much good about it.

jacky
01-12-2007, 11:18 AM
amfonelic acid is the name of the stimulant ,dopamine reputake inhibitor. the stuff is really expensive. around .50 cents a milligram for small orders. the price goes down considerably if you spend thousands.

my problem with anything dopaminergic, is that I am highly sensitive to them......I get a stimulant effect from just a couple milligrams of levmetamfetamine

jacky
01-12-2007, 11:22 AM
I remember when JLF was selling bzp by the ounce.

most of the talk back then just explained it as an amphetamine substitute, not as an ecstacy type of substance.
alot of the reports back them proclaimed it a dirty high, as a last resort. the same type of compounds replaced arecoline as a worming medication in OTC worm medicines for animals.

I am sure alot of it back them was used to make fake ecstacy pills.

if people want a good e substitute they should just try a low dose of mescaline...all the love you want in the cactus, bzp can shake a stick to a small dose of mesc.

OxyContinuously
01-12-2007, 11:51 AM
I remember when JLF was selling bzp by the ounce.

most of the talk back then just explained it as an amphetamine substitute, not as an ecstacy type of substance.
alot of the reports back them proclaimed it a dirty high, as a last resort. the same type of compounds replaced arecoline as a worming medication in OTC worm medicines for animals.

I am sure alot of it back them was used to make fake ecstacy pills.

if people want a good e substitute they should just try a low dose of mescaline...all the love you want in the cactus, bzp can shake a stick to a small dose of mesc.


There were "rainbow" pills going around in NYC and near my area for a while that turned out to be BZP and McPP (meta chloro phenyl piperazine). They were NOT fun, had a jittery, almost "I'm gonna lose it any second now, just wait and see" type of stimulant high w some mild tracers. trails, halos, things of that nature. I'll also add the comedown was harsh and unforgiving. Yeah BZP, CAN shake a stick compared to mesc/sanpedro/peyote/etc.

Oh yeah, BZP is so cheap cause it's a common intermediate organic compound (the free base of this is actually corrosive and nasty nasty stuff) and occasionally, I'll come across it in one form or another in the lab during an incomplete synth or something like that.

Oxy

Oxy

jacky
01-12-2007, 02:59 PM
I think that this amfonelic acid material is pretty potent. a dosage was referred to as such....5-20 milligrams is a moderate to strong dose. I was told NOT to consume the whole 50 milligram sample.
I dont know much about it other than that.
I think that reuptake inhibitors might really have a varied activity, I dont know how it works, but I could see some people not really feeling a drug like this because they are low in endogenous neurotransmitters, or some people having a severe reaction due to a huge increase in dopamine in the bloodstream.
I had some strange reactions to mesembrine, which is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor...like insomnia and anxiety...

what would be nice is a endogenous opiate reuptake inhibitor.....something that in of itself isnt an opioid agonist, but works to increase the endogenouse content.