Stimulants - what's the attraction for opiophiles?

[Somni Divine]

As someone much more enamored by the effects of opiates, I think this might be a good place to ask what it is that people find so enchanting about substances with the opposite effect. It has always been a pet theory of mine that there are more or less two types of "addictive" personalities, one that likes the calming, the nurturing, the lulling peaceful feeling of opiates (I myself being that type) and then the other more drawn to amphetamine type substances that "jazz" you up (and in my case, I've always assumed would give me a heart attack). I always theorized that these two "types" could not be combined into one person. I am rethinking this (and of course I realize it is very simplistic thinking to try to box people into types or give them labels or anything else like that) but still I wonder, don't most people who prefer opiates as there "drug of choice" dislike cocaine, meth, and the like? Or is there perhaps a third "type" that enjoys any substance that causes any altered state? I'm really wondering this, I am simply curious, and I don't mean to oversimply the topic, or insult anyone, or anything like that, I guess the reason I ask is that I have always assumed I would not enjoy something that caused the exact opposite feeling of my "drug of choice" - I guess what it comes down to is I wonder if I have been missing out on something because of that assumption, and this thread of the forum seems to imply that I have ... any comments or thoughts on that?

[marblehead]

good question. I'd say about half of the opium users i know like coke and or meth also. Me personally enjoy,if you could call it that, both op and blow, hate meth, makes me think i'm dying

[red26]

For alot of us that have A.D.D. OR A.D.H.D. coke can have a soothing , calming effect because of the chems. in our bodies that cause these conditions. For me, when I did coke I would just kick back and relax and listen to some tunes if I was with buddies hangin out. If I was at the bar shootin pool I couldnt focus on my shots anymore but would of course want to sit down with some friends and get into some bullshit philisophical discussion. Like I said, it calmed me down, and I had a addiction counselor ask me if this is what the substance did to me so I know I'm not alone with the A.D.D. thingy.

[poonwhalla]

as far as drug of choice, what do you got? I think a lot of people fall into the third choice of users. More like what high they feel like that day and whats available on the market. Its kind of like that almond joy, mounds thing sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don't. I kind of like both in moderation except meth which makes me feel like a pile of hot dogshit with no high.

[1badrabbit]

I agree most opiate users probabyl abuse another type of drug as well. In fact my counselor at the methadone clinic told me I was the first person she had ever come across that abused opiates and had never tried meth. I don't mind cocaine once in a while but only if I have opiates to come down on. Otherwise the comedown makes me go fucking insane. From my experience a good majority of the people also use opiates initially as an easy way to come down from stimulants. The stimulants are their drug of choice at first then as they progress into opiate use it replaces the stimlulants as the drug of choice or they are just stuck using opiates to avoid withdrawal. Lastly like was said above there are a good number of folks who just can't stand being sober period and want to be in an altered state as much as possible regardless of the substance being used.

[Blake]

When I used to get loaded, opiates without a doubt my doc, but sometimes I would take a "vacation" and go on a coke or crystal bienge. Also they kinda helped me not notice how sick I was sometimes when dope would dry up for a few days.

[casperfromkidz]

My favorite thing to do ever was get a Ball and like 3 80's mix'em all up and party all fuckin night with an OC high and coke energy, Thats when you wake up with dried blood coming from your nose, and all day you wonder what the fuck that smell is, but then you realize its your torn up nostril!

[shinobi]

i like anything that has any chance of letting me escape reality, as such. The whole ADhD thing with speed also rings true for me, was just an excuse to use more to get over the "speed bump" though.

[SuperJunky]

I definitely prefer opiates. If I smoke rock and don't have dope to come down on it makes me so so so dope sick it's not the slightest bit humorous. I don't like stimulants, downers are my friends. I will admit though, I do enjoy shooting a nice strong speedball, and even though I don't like any of the perscription amphetamines I've ever tried I would like to try some meth simply because it's so damn rare were I live. I won't even take cold medicine with pseodoepdrine in it. This is how a good deal of my friends are. Most people I know are either stimulant or downer people. Not to say none of them ever take a drug outside of their category, but 90% of the time they don't. I only have one friend that enjoys both but she usually leans toward opiates, at least now, she used to lean toward crack.

[chemnoob]

For me, a lot of it has to do with availability. Speed is nearly non-existent (very little meth, junk RX's) and this area is full of opiates. Personally, I prefer psychedelics over anything (MJ, LSD, etc) and then opiates (H, OC, MS, etc.). I don't like the speedy stuff too often...I may use a stimulant two-three times per year and the opiates the rest of the way. Stimulants sometimes tend to make me focus on the negative things in life (bills, etc) where as with opiates...well, we all know how that is. Take care of things in the morning :D

[Sgt_Rock]

As someone much more enamored by the effects of opiates, I think this might be a good place to ask what it is that people find so enchanting about substances with the opposite effect. It has always been a pet theory of mine that there are more or less two types of "addictive" personalities, one that likes the calming, the nurturing, the lulling peaceful feeling of opiates (I myself being that type) and then the other more drawn to amphetamine type substances that "jazz" you up (and in my case, I've always assumed would give me a heart attack). I always theorized that these two "types" could not be combined into one person. I am rethinking this (and of course I realize it is very simplistic thinking to try to box people into types or give them labels or anything else like that) but still I wonder, don't most people who prefer opiates as there "drug of choice" dislike cocaine, meth, and the like? Or is there perhaps a third "type" that enjoys any substance that causes any altered state? I'm really wondering this, I am simply curious, and I don't mean to oversimply the topic, or insult anyone, or anything like that, I guess the reason I ask is that I have always assumed I would not enjoy something that caused the exact opposite feeling of my "drug of choice" - I guess what it comes down to is I wonder if I have been missing out on something because of that assumption, and this thread of the forum seems to imply that I have ... any comments or thoughts on that?


I do crystal meth almost daily simply because pure crystal is dirt cheap here (looks like shards of glass) and heroin costs $10 for a piece the size of or smaller than a BB. If i could afford H,i would do it daily but i cant.
SIMPLE ECONOMICS
P.S. Is it just me or is the depression after coming down off cocaine way worse than the high is pleasurable?I used to slam it but you need more every 3-4 hours.

[jackanape]

It really depends on my mood and what I'm doing. If I'm going out I prefer stimulants. If I'm staying in, or having what I call my bored mood, I'll probably use opiates. I usually just use on the weekend though. I'd probably use MJ instead but where I live bud isn't sold. "Squidgy black" hash is available but it can contain nasty chemicals (e.g. benzene) so I daren't risk using it.
I also cannot stand the thought of being fat so I'm prone to using amphetamines to keep slim as my metabolism is quite low. Useful for keeping my concentration up whilst studying too.

[Dr Benway]

Iv been a day to day H addict for sixteen+ years and I hardly ever take uppers. I dont really like 'em, they freak me out. Like super junky, If I do coke or speed, I need bundles of H to take off the edge. But I do love a speed ball..ooh yeah ;) Its like the best of both worlds.

[red26]

I dont nkow if it's just me but ever since I got back on the methodone program my coke habit has been out of control.g-g1/2 a day , sometimes more. Snort ,shoot ,smoke. I was ballin for a while but got off of that, and now ,even though I'm not shootin s.b.'s I suppose I still am due 2 being on the juice and my blow habit. I dont know. I actually could use some friendly advice on this and have alittle chat about slowin down and stoppin. I apologize for getting off topic but p.m. or post whatever suggestions you've got. thanx

[robotboy]

I'm definitely more the type who prefers peaceful sedation, but I do get the urge for coke if I'm drunk. And then when it's gone I have to get drunk again to deal with the comedown (unless I happen to have some Xanax on hand).
If I'm not drinking I usually have no desire to do it, but then again I drink a lot. Fortunately my source is far enough away for it to be too convenient.

[bi11i]

I remember a day (how naive I was) that I thought I might try kicking H with nothing but coke. I bought a ball and headed home, thinking that I would just leave the 'ball' out of the 'speed ball' and work myself through the week with coke alone. How fucking stupid I was. I was dope sick as hell and shaking so badly I could barely cook up - after getting the shot it, a wave of paranoia so intense I don't think I could compare it to even the worst of panic attacks. It took everything I had in me to get back to the dealer and get my fix.

To stay on topic, I never enjoyed speed or coke unless accompanied by heroin. I hate that shit - hate it. I could probably party with coke, but only if I have a pocket full of valium for when it's time to quit.

Never again for this Junky - never.P.S. Is it just me or is the depression after coming down off cocaine way worse than the high is pleasurable?I used to slam it but you need more every 3-4 hours.no, it's not just youI do crystal meth almost daily simply because pure crystal is dirt cheap here (looks like shards of glass) and heroin costs $10 for a piece the size of or smaller than a BB.Sounds awful - i feel for you...

[SnowKitty]

I used to slam coke, i found i couldn't cook up again fast enough. I started getting two or three hits ready in one go. I haven't done it in just over a year, but i gave up because i had to, rather than wanting to. It's still hard and thinking about the ritual of the process gives me a outwardly visable seretonin / adrenaline rush still.

I also developed a needle fetish {i was doing it for about a year and a half as often as i could sometimes evryday} which is something i'm not sure how to deal with.

[jacky]

maybe you can transfer some of that needle fetish into ritual pain or some other peircing avenue.....

gives me an idea for a syringe shaped stud. you could always have a needle poking you, but it would just be a peice of jewelry.

[Alice Mudgarden]

Opiates are definitely SWIM's first choice. SWIM will also enjoy a couple of grams of coke once in a while, along with some good benzo's.

[antigonemuse]

maybe you can transfer some of that needle fetish into ritual pain or some other peircing avenue.....

gives me an idea for a syringe shaped stud. you could always have a needle poking you, but it would just be a peice of jewelry.

dude, you just gave me the sickest idea, re: earing

totally visioned this barbell, with the needle going right thru the peircing. like one side of the barbell be the top end of the needle, and the other side be the rest of it.

whew, weed makes me babble, even when i type

[Narkotikon]

Yeah, I agree that people generally prefer one over the other. I myself like opiates but also enjoy coke. I've done crystal a few times (smoking), and it just made me really jittery and paranoid and hyper. I didn't like it. Coke doesn't really do that to me. It makes me really talkative, but the buzz is a lot better, and of course it's great for sex. When I do do coke, I usually like to drink bourbon or some other kind of alcohol, even though I don't really like alcohol on it's own. The two create cocaethylene, which is a more potent and long lasting metabolite of cocaine. The only thing about coke is that I hate the comedown, although I can usually tolerate it from snorting powder as opposed to smoking. Smoking rock just makes you feel like you're on the edge of a cliff, then falling forever until the comedown is over. Powder isn't as bad, but the comedown still sucks. It's just not as edgy. If I had to choose, though, I'd take heroin over coke. Well, if I really had to choose I'd take both and do them at the same time, but if I had to choose one, I'd take the H.

Edit: Oh, yeah, it's much much easier for me to put down coke or quit coke. I mean, I don't crave it like I do opiates. Whether that's just because I've not done it enough recently or what I don't know. Before I got into opiates on a regular basis, when I was 20-21, I was getting rock a lot in Over the Rhine. I tried to find H several times, but that's before I knew where to go. You can get rock and sometimes poweder on almost any street corner in OTR. But even then, when I was smoking it alot, it's not what I would call a true coke addiction. I would just do binges, but when I ran out, I didn't have this panicy feeling where I felt I had to get more. I do get that with opiates, both for w/d and because I just can't stand feeling like shit without them.

[Seedy]

Someone raised an interesting point in another topic: Introverted people (like me) tend to be over stimulated, which leads to trouble sleeping, difficulty socialising with large groups of people, etc. That's why we use downers, to chill out. Personally, I get more taklative & extroverted on downers, and sometimes I can even get a word in with a group of loudmouth extroverts. Now these loudmouth extrverts are under stimulated which is why they just don't shut up, have to sleep with tv/music on, etc, and take stimulants. (had a gf like that, I always end up with opposites!).

Now this can seem pretty paradoxical but think about it, I reckon it's a pretty solid theory!

[Narkotikon]

Someone raised an interesting point in another topic: Introverted people (like me) tend to be over stimulated, which leads to trouble sleeping, difficulty socialising with large groups of people, etc. That's why we use downers, to chill out. Personally, I get more taklative & extroverted on downers, and sometimes I can even get a word in with a group of loudmouth extroverts. Now these loudmouth extrverts are under stimulated which is why they just don't shut up, have to sleep with tv/music on, etc, and take stimulants. (had a gf like that, I always end up with opposites!).

Now this can seem pretty paradoxical but think about it, I reckon it's a pretty solid theory!

Yeah, I learned that theory in this drug class I took my junior year at college. Introverted people shun extra stimulation because they're brains are over stimulated, and they prefer downers (I am one of those people). Extroverted people need the stimulation because their brains are understimulated, and they prefer stimulants. Kind of like a person with ADD being hyper but calming down when they get ritalin or adderal.

Opiate and benzos and even alcohol even though I hate it make me talkative, but coke does too for some reason.

[CUBErt]

what's the attraction for opiophiles?

To be able to stay awake longer to ingest more opiates ;)

Nah but I personally enjoy the rush of stimulants on top of an opiate high. Just like to make sure I have enough opiates so I am more down than up. I always follow a certain order of getting decently opiated, then maybe a few lines or hits of coke/amphetamine to get a nice rush going again, then shortly after do more opiates again. Feels very nice

[akcom]

I think the fact that we have the term "speedball" alone shows that there must be a decent sized set of people that enjoy both coke and heroin. Personally, I enjoy being up and chatty and social, but this is from a bit of a "pampered" existance. I haven't seen cut coke in ages, so I have the luxury of not staying up for 24 hours because of the amphetamines or caffeine usually found in blow. Personally, I feel it's a very relaxing euphoria.

[oxymoron]

I LOVE the rush of IV methamphetamine and being high for a few hours, but the ensuing jones and being up for days on end makes it WAY NOT WORTH IT. Shatters my sanity, makes me miss work, flat out ruins my life:mad: No more speed for this kid

[CUBErt]

Was never good at sports, but SWIM remembered this holiday weekend why he loved playin speedball so much

[AWOL]

I've never had the opportunity. I don't think I'd dip into meth, but some pharmacutical amphetamines would be fun to try. I don't think I'd like the no sleep part at all however.

[Hammilton]

AKCOM- got a feeling that the existence of a term for a specific drug combo doesn't mean anything at all. We have names for all sorts of drug combos. Can think of lots of them just with psychedelic combos

[Papa Verine]

I lived in a halfway house for a year and we debated this often. Although most people there did everything at some point in their lives we had the people whose drug of choice was crack and the people whose drug of choice was heroin. We'd argue back and forth making fun of crack smoking and they'd make fun of us shooting dope.

For me, 16 years ago when I discovered opiates there's been no question! I will do some coke but like others have said it's only when I have something to bring me back to "comfortable" when the coke is gone.

And believe it or not methamphetamine has never been a part of the drug scene in Chicago. I wouldn't know where to get any if I wanted to. I think it's because of all the cocaine around here.

[Chipper]

I love taking stimulants prior to opiates or rather, I like to take opiates after stimulants.

I find it's handy for opiate overdose prevention, as well: it's hard to OD on opiates when the heart won't let up.

[Maniacal Scribble]

Although if I could only do one type of drug the rest of my life it would without a doubt be opiates, I enjoy a whole range of drugs. For me it's a question of what can I do not to be sober right now more then what I really want in terms of highs. Somedays it's just too much work to go to the city and go through all of the bs of finding a connect to get a certain type of whatever when I could just call someone up and get something that, while not as pleasureable, will get me not sober just the same. Sometimes there is also the knowledge that once I build up a big opiate jones it will eventually come to an end because of unsteady sources and I'll be in hell for an appropriate amount of time while I detox. With any other type of drug I've never had a problem with just walking away from it. But then I guess my attitude would be totally different if I had a steady connect because in the end I just can't get enough of that opiate induced bliss that I'd give just about anything I have up to get right now. Not a solicitation, just my mindset at this moment as I eagarly wait for my monthly love to arrive.

[ModestMarr]

For me it goes like this, the first hard drug I did (besides alcohol) was coke. The first time I did I thought it was great, and this comes from someone who was a laid back stoner of sorts. It took a lot of peer pressure for me to do it but when I did I really liked it. Skip ahead a few months and a few more decent experiences with blow, and a girl, friend of mine gave some of her Adderall. I absolutly loved it the first time, I was all over the place talking to everyone. She began giving me a regular supply of ampers, and I quickly learned that I would not sleep the night I did them although at the time this didn't bother me because I was so buzzed. A few months later I got my own script for Adderall and for half a year I would do about 30mgs two nights a week and essentially stay up all night working on music. After awhile something began to change, the side effects I was getting from the generic adderall were getting worse and worse, and the come downs were getting longer and worse. I did more over the summer but it got to the point where the shit was getting me so down and depressed when I came down, I felt like absolute shit even moderatly suicidal and had absolutly no motivation :confused: :( :confused: . So I put that shit away and picked up some pods and was in heaven;) . Now I really don't care for stimulants anymore and will only do C for free at a party, or if I do take some Adderall, it will be the NAME BRAND (huge difference between that and Generic) and it will only be if I have some Opiates to manage the comedown. Overall I find that stimulants really aren't worth the come down which I feel to be worse than any other drug.