Cut - Heroin - ratio in your area

[bogumil]

Sometimes when people get busted with dope, they get the scientific report about the dope they had carried with them from the police.

Som emonths ago I talked to one junky and he told me that they had busted another junky and that he had dope with only 3% heroin.

Does anyone else have similar data from their area?

Over here (Berlin, Germany) the heroin content varies from 3% to 10%, that the official data... The guy told me about the 3% thing and from my experience with the strength of dope I would say that it really goes from 3 to maybe 15% (15 beeing very very rare).

Whoever has data, could put it here, just to have another statistic...

[applesauce]

Sure here you go:

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"Pure heroin is rarely sold on the street. A "bag" (slang for a small unit of heroin sold on the street) currently contains about 30 to 50 milligrams of powder, only a portion of which is heroin. The remainder could be sugar, starch, acetaminophen, procaine, benzocaine, or quinine, or any of numerous cutting agents for heroin. Traditionally, the purity of heroin in a bag ranged from 1 to 10 percent. More recently, heroin purity has ranged from about 10 to 70 percent. Black tar heroin is often sold in chunks weighing about an ounce. Its purity is generally less than South American heroin and it is most frequently smoked, or dissolved, diluted, and injected.
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That is from hxxp://www.dea.gov/concern/heroin.html so naturally it relates only to the USA.


In fact, it is the USA DEA, so take it with a grain of salt. (actually their science is probably right-on, it is how they interpret their data that I personally take issue with)

[SuperJunky]

The papers were I am say that dope is usually 30-90% pure. I figure the shit I get personally is about 55-75% pure. It isnt dissapointing as long as you dont have a habit.

[blueflutterfly]

i think most people would be kinda disappointed if they knew just how "pure" their dope was. one thing i know for certain, when the dope is 90% pure they start dropping like flies (real dope, not fentdope)(not to say fentdope is crap...just talking about heroin)
but hey, MINE'S BEDDER 'N YERS :moon:

[repeek]

The authorities claim the tar in my area is on average 60% heroin. I am guessing that that is pretty close to as pure as you can get tar. Just the nature of the way they make it, pretty much guarantees pure is next to impossible to obtain.

[SpecialGuy69]

Probably the only one of us who's ever had anything about 75% is Nick, with his pharmaceutical h in England. He said it wasn't THAT much better than good street dope, not some miraculous "GOD DRUG" like people expect it to be. If you take enough cut dope, you are getting the equivalent of x amount of pure dope.

For example, if your dope is 25%, and you take 100mg, you are getting 25mg of pure dope. Take 400mg, and you have 100mg of pure dope in your blood. I always figured that as long as it doesn't burn and the cuts are inactive and harmless, having impurities isn't that bad of a thing (as long as it's priced accordingly). Sometimes, I used to get a really, really good deal on shitty dope. Where the regular was probably about 60%, this shit was no more than a quarter that (like 30%). But, it was like a sixth of the price!

At the time, the good shit was 200/gram (I was new to the game and middlemen, since then it's gone to 150-175). The cheap shit was like $50/gram. So, you would have to buy 1.333 grams of the good to get a gram of pure. Would cost you $266. You would have to buy 3.333 grams of the cheap shit to get a gram of pure. Would cost you $166. So, if you didn't mind purifying (or just doing the cheap shit), you could save a lot of money by getting the cheap shit.

[dimebagaboy]

i read in the miami herald back in july right now in overtown(miami)it ranges from about 15%-75% i think i had both and everything in between right now i am buying 10 dollar clear bags,melted at the top and to my surprise 1 bag does the trick im scared to try 2 so i think i found that 75%er,AND I LOVE IT................................................ .................................................. .........................................:)

[Flagg]

Good to see bogumil back.

~15% in the Iowa area I heard, probably because it's dragged from Chicago or KC and cut like hell along the way to make the risk worth it. It's nearly impossible to find here, but there is a 'done clinic in Des Moines so *shrug*

[Duckfeet]

i think most people would be kinda disappointed if they knew just how "pure" their dope was. one thing i know for certain, when the dope is 90% pure they start dropping like flies (real dope, not fentdope)(not to say fentdope is crap...just talking about heroin)
but hey, MINE'S BEDDER 'N YERS :moon:

I hope I'm wrong, but I kind of agree with you. Whenever you'd hear actual dope purity, it was always *way* lower than we thought. Figures were usually 1-10 per cent. When it got higher up in Ohio, last I heard of purity scores, it was almost always fentanyl addition causing it to spike.

[AWOL]

I don't know shit, but my assumption would be that they just make the drug reports up and say that the figures are WAY HIGHER than they "used to be" because that way it causes panic and scares and hype and all that shit that the drug war (and politics) is all about. So in the end, they can justify higher spending, to combat a larger problem.

[vicious86]

I don't know shit, but my assumption would be that they just make the drug reports up and say that the figures are WAY HIGHER than they "used to be" because that way it causes panic and scares and hype and all that shit that the drug war (and politics) is all about. So in the end, they can justify higher spending, to combat a larger problem.


A story like that would make me go find some dope in that area.

[AWOL]

A story like that would make me go find some dope in that area.

hah, yeah. I mean causes hype and a scare in the general population so that they feel the higher spending on the war on drugs is warented cause things are getting worse.

[vicious86]

hah, yeah. I mean causes hype and a scare in the general population so that they feel the higher spending on the war on drugs is warented cause things are getting worse.

I hear where your coming from.This war on drugs is as unwinnable as the war on terror.I got to get out of this dragonian ,conseverative right, christian fundamentalist, hipocrital country for Holland or mexico or somewhere the persuit of happiness is a reality not just a memory.

[AWOL]

I hear where your coming from.This war on drugs is as unwinnable as the war on terror.I got to get out of this dragonian ,conseverative right, christian fundamentalist, hipocrital country for Holland or mexico or somewhere the persuit of happiness is a reality not just a memory.

Just keep in mind that all places have their drawbacks. :) Living in other places sure is fun though, I've enjoyed it and I'll probably keep at throughout life.

[hopperdave2000]

A few years back, there were about 7 OD's in a one month period which prompted the local newspaper to run a front page heroin story. They said that the local tar averaged around 35% purity and that recently the confiscated heroin was testing out at 85% and that's why the all the OD's. These unfortunate folks were doing their regular doses, but the dope was over twice the strength and I remember reading that in at least 2 of the cases, the OD's also had really high blood-alcohol levels... We all know that lots of booze and H is a potentially deadly combo.....

[nick]

I hear where your coming from.This war on drugs is as unwinnable as the war on terror.I got to get out of this dragonian ,conseverative right, christian fundamentalist, hipocrital country for Holland or mexico or somewhere the persuit of happiness is a reality not just a memory.
RE the war on drugs the Canadian commission came to the same conclusion.They said there are two options total war footing including using the army or legalise everything. So we're more likely to see the army on the streets than legal dope anytime soon.Idiots they're ALL idiots.

[vicious86]

RE the war on drugs the Canadian commission came to the same conclusion.They said there are two options total war footing including using the army or legalise everything. So we're more likely to see the army on the streets than legal dope anytime soon.Idiots they're ALL idiots.

I dont think canada would wage an all out war there more into surrenduring. With all the cool stuff (with pot and heroin) going on there right now its a hell of alot better than the u.s. . Even you brits are more understanding of the situation. From what ive heard you folks traet addiction and drugs as a social issue not a criminal issue. More americans are in jail for drugs than anything else and we have more people in our jails than any other country in the world including china for crips sake (over 1 billion people and reassignment campsin china.) Go figure.

[nick]

You're right the war on drugs is insane in the US.I was there quite recently and was shocked.The Canadians aren't as liberal as you think.There's pressure to close INSITE the safe injecting room and they're trying to stop the Naomi diamorphine trial.It will all end up in court.
I think it's more likely to go to total war footing because politicians prefer war to sense-more votes in war and the benefits of legalisation will not be felt till they're out of office.Plus no one wants to admit they were wrong and the war on drugs is totally dumb.

[vicious86]

You're right the war on drugs is insane in the US.I was there quite recently and was shocked.The Canadians aren't as liberal as you think.There's pressure to close INSITE the safe injecting room and they're trying to stop the Naomi diamorphine trial.It will all end up in court.
I think it's more likely to go to total war footing because politicians prefer war to sense-more votes in war and the benefits of legalisation will not be felt till they're out of office.Plus no one wants to admit they were wrong and the war on drugs is totally dumb.


One thing americans dont like is thier brothers and sisters being killed for no reason. If this "war" on drugs turns violent i.e.( military shooting users and dealers army on the streets) , there is no way even in a society that less than half the people VOTE the people of the states and canada will let the powers that be
continue with an action such as this. Man some runon sentence. I could see however , the govt scaring people into believing terrorist threats and the Nationa guard called up for duty and MARSHALL law is in put into effect
(for u brits marshall law is when the prez can suspend all law and do what ever he deems necessary for an unspecified ammount of time. As for the war on drugs violence and killing would only turn public opinion.

[nick]

Don't panic bro,we have marshall law too.

[vicious86]

Don't panic bro,we have marshall law too.


Thats probably where our 4 fathers stole it from while they were taking opium tintures and smoking good cannibis

[nick]

Careful,Homeland security will be round to kick your door in and drag you off kicking and screamimg.Never to be seen again.

[vicious86]

Careful,Homeland security will be round to kick your door in and drag you off kicking and screamimg.Never to be seen again.



In this country , i wouldnt doubt it.

[Ragdoll]

Fascism is alive and well here and it's just inching in, more and more..... everyone is so busy and exhausted from just trying to work, keep food on the table, pay bills, keep gas in the car, and stay alive that very few have the time or energy left to protest the situation as it is. War on drugs, wars on our rights, war on freedom of choice, war, war, war.

[vicious86]

Fascism is alive and well here and it's just inching in, more and more..... everyone is so busy and exhausted from just trying to work, keep food on the table, pay bills, keep gas in the car, and stay alive that very few have the time or energy left to protest the situation as it is. War on drugs, wars on our rights, war on freedom of choice, war, war, war.


Couldnt have said it better.

[insomnolent]

Baltimore, MD --- pure as fuck. Attached is an image of SWIM's latest love, weighing in at 3 grams and probably in the 80-95% purity range.

[Dolomiti]

I don't know shit, but my assumption would be that they just make the drug reports up and say that the figures are WAY HIGHER than they "used to be" because that way it causes panic and scares and hype and all that shit that the drug war (and politics) is all about. So in the end, they can justify higher spending, to combat a larger problem.

All the stats of heroin price and purity shows of the last 15 years is the war on drugs is a complete failure. They only like showing price and purity figures if it means the drug is getting much more expensive (that's the whole point of their war, apparently - to reduce drug availability and raise prices).
But it's not like the DEA can make up such incredibly changing figures. It's well known that heroin is far more pure and far more affordable than it was just 15 years ago. Users know it, and local, state, and federal law all know it. They can't really hide the fact.

On the DEA's "price and purity of illicit drugs 1981-2003", they list Atlanta, Chicago, New York, San Diego, and Washington as sampled cities. These are retail prices, where they buy a few dimes at a time on average.
New York's purity was always the highest - about 60%
Atlanta and San Diego were around 50%
Chicago and Washington were around 20%
And I might be confusing Atlanta and Washington, because I can't tell which line is which :) sorry
But this pdf can be downloaded on a govt site, listing prices for crack, coke, weed, speed, etc

Baltimore, MD --- pure as fuck. Attached is an image of SWIM's latest love, weighing in at 3 grams and probably in the 80-95% purity range.

I'm thirsty

[flipside]

Baltimore, MD --- pure as fuck. Attached is an image of SWIM's latest love, weighing in at 3 grams and probably in the 80-95% purity range.


I'm homesick

[Diacetyl]

There is no heroin where I live.

Well, I did find some "brown tar" heroin once here, and I had some powder when I lived farther west but it sucked, it was probly like <10% pure and had god knows how many different cuts in it. I wish I lived somewhere where there was some H so I could stop paying outrageous prices for oxy's.

goddamnit! I'm moving to vancouver.

[Mofomanraman]

I have had access to pure Diamorphine alot of my using days through contacts here and there, though not anymore, as the people who worked in the hospitals/hospices have all been struck off as well now. Sometimes though, I can still score some, but the price is really high and only for the very, very rich.

Now as for where I can score from, the dope on the street can be forty /fifty percent.

The trouble is, this sort of stuff is only for people with massive tolerance, as so many people I know have died on it, to the point where I only have two user assocites left out of fifteen.

Trust me, you are betting sticking with the lower grade heroin, as that way, you can enjoy your high without thinking it could be your last.

Seen so many people over the years telling the people I know they can handle the strong stuff and watch them die instantly, as their tolerance is for dope which is around fifteen percent at best. Trust me if you cannot handle stuff like this, there is no warning, it's just lights out, and hope the medics get to you in time.

Believe me we have called medics for all our associates/friend's that have died, and the heroin is so strong, it kills them almost instantly with their low tolerance, but there is just no telling some people. They think they can handle it and their bodies simply cannot.

Even when I was hitting Fentanyl, a score bag(0.2) of fifty percent heroin would have me on the nod and fully sorted out for a while at least.

[Mofomanraman]

Just to follow up, I think it's all about your circles of friend's and your background and how much money you have. Now from the proffession I was in, you soon come accross fellow Doctor(emergency) addict's, fellow Pharmacist's, student's ,surgeon's, gp addict's etc..., then from there you are introduced to the heaviest drug's possible.

In a way the scene has the worst addict's of them all as with so much power in their hand's, they really shouldn't be off their face, on pharmacuetical strength Morphine, heroin, Fentanyl, Amphetamines etc..

So yeah, trying not to steer off topic, as I always do, lol :D , it all depend's on what circle's you keep.

I'm from a pretty well off middle class family, and the addict's and dealer's I was in with were all rich middle class to upper class, so I had acccess to the stronger drug's and prescriptions I needed after getting hooked as a phramcist on Pharmaceutical heroin and fentanyl.

If you have the money, you can seek out these sort's of circles, but would you really want to?? I mean isn't being addicted bad enough , without making it worse by making the move up to stronger drug's and drug quality.

Let's help each other, and get so we only look for great quality Skunk, with the odd puff of an Opium pipe, the odd trip, and a little cup of opium tea for new year.

[Mofomanraman]

There is no heroin where I live.

Well, I did find some "brown tar" heroin once here, and I had some powder when I lived farther west but it sucked, it was probly like <10% pure and had god knows how many different cuts in it. I wish I lived somewhere where there was some H so I could stop paying outrageous prices for oxy's.

goddamnit! I'm moving to vancouver.


Brown Tar has to be the worst crap I have ever come across.

I came across it in a convention in California, as it was the only thing I could score without bringing my addiction to my colleagues at the time.

How they can even call this stuff Heroin is beyond me. It's just what we British would call Heroin mixed with Bash...Bash.

Can't run it on foil for a chase, injecting it is like injecting treacle, and can't really snort it.

At the time I had to inject it, and it was the worst experience of my life, as I had to inject alot to get rid of the WD's. Absolute Crap with a capital C. If that is what you are buying/addicted too, you need to source some brown heroin fast, as that stuff is just bad news.

[ChemicalBliss]

Where I live (salt lake city Utah) all there is out here is tar or brown sugary looking powder. The very good least cut dope is this really dark blacck sticky tar, Then there is the tar that is a crystally amber color that is also pretty good, The brown powder that turns to tar when is hits moisture is probably the most cut shit. The first 2 are not bad I am guessing around %50-%75 pure

[Majortom]

Feel lucky if you get yours cut to % 40 to60.. More than that such as 90% would kill you man. Its a dream..


So what we get here is like 40 to 70% . And %70 is quite a clean cut. be sure about it people...otherwise with over 70 you gonna be a :bricks:
man.

[PheMekh]

i read in the miami herald back in july right now in overtown(miami)it ranges from about 15%-75% i think i had both and everything in between right now i am buying 10 dollar clear bags,melted at the top and to my surprise 1 bag does the trick im scared to try 2 so i think i found that 75%er,AND I LOVE IT................................................ .................................................. .........................................:)


bro where do u get those clear bags???
i live close to OT and am having a hard time lately to find anything good...

[losangeleslifer]

Dude, you realize that post by Dimebagaboy is a year old?

And the geography question is probably not a good one to ask. LOL

[InfectedMushroom]

http://www.freewebs.com/cortlesteeze/pix/ThreadNecro.jpg

[pharmboy]

Whats with the old threads? Are things getting slow on here or something?

[sopark4000]

bro where do u get those clear bags???
i live close to OT and am having a hard time lately to find anything good...


Why don't you take a look at the top of your browser and read what it says at the top of the page.

" WE AGGRESSIVELY BAN ALL THOSE WHO ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE IN SOLICITATION OF ANY KIND"

Please whether your trying to cop shit or not it seams like you are so don't ask questions like that.
I've been seeing a lot of this shit in the past week or so and it really is the kind of thing that leads to a forum/website getting shut down and I and all the long term users of the ophile enjoy having this site so please recognize that your not just fucking up your account if you get banned your putting this entire board at risk of being fucked so please just read the rules before you post here.

[gameface]

I live in North West WA state about an hour North of Seattle, and 45 min South of the Canadian Border. We only get black tar heroin, even though Vancouver BC is less than 100 miles away and whiteish powder heroin (locally reffered to as China White) is ABUNDANT.

We get two kinds of tar. Either sticky and gooey with a strong vinegar taste and smell; or Very hard peices with a bit of a vinegar smell, but hardly any vinegar taste when smoked. We call it Vinegar and Coffee respectively. The coffee is much preffered (to non IV users) and is of better quality, but mainly more coveted b/c it is not so damn harsh when smoked. It also runs down the foil better.

IMO, i'd say purity is less than 15% for either type, and most likely in the 5-10% range. It is cut with Brown Sugar, Nestles Quick, powdered milk, etc. I have even seen brown sugar cooked and rocked up into shardish looking peices passed off as dope. Other than the taste (Sweet, not Bitter) and the lack of any high it was a good fake. Ran down the foil very much like real tar and if you didnt have a large quantity it looked kinda real too.

[AmblerG]

In the philadelphia camden region, I have heard that purity can average around 70%. I would love to know the purity on a few certain stamps in mind. To me, 70% seems kinda too good to be true. I can only wonder how many tests were done on different confiscated samples to obtain that average.

[tyler5]

here in tallinn, estonia its 10-20%, pretty surely.
its either heroin or fentanyl. i dont use either (yet), still on codeine 1x480mg daily.

im going to post a 'hello' thread sometime in the near future.

[bigNasty]

i think most of you are over-estimating how pure your H is. When you watch shit on history channel about Frank Lucas and Nicki Barnes, it says they bought kilo's of 90% pure H and then cut it down to 3-5%. And supposedly "Blue Magic" was 10% and it killed alot of people at first and hence got its good reputation as strong shit

[sopark4000]

i think most of you are over-estimating how pure your H is. When you watch shit on history channel about Frank Lucas and Nicki Barnes, it says they bought kilo's of 90% pure H and then cut it down to 3-5%. And supposedly "Blue Magic" was 10% and it killed alot of people at first and hence got its good reputation as strong shit

I definitely agree the majority of H not bought in wholesale quantity is of less than 10-12% and thats on the very lucky side but something tells me that most of us cant perform mass spectometry on H every time we get it. I also think it is very underestimated how much of the H at least in the US contains fentanyl now. 1 gram of 50-70% pure fentanyl (usually Alpha methyl fentanyl) can be cut into 100-150+ grams of relatively high grade street "H" so while dope may seem very strong the possibility that it may really be fent means obviously its of low opioid content and if it is H cut with fent it could possibly just be 1-2% if that with fent in it to send the strength through the roof keep in mind a few things about fent it is actually relatively easy to produce with a only a basic knowledge of chemistry necessary, only 1-2 chemicals needed for its production are risky to acquire and overall cost of production compared to back end profit being incredibly incredibly low. It has become quite popular for smuggling syndicates to smuggle say 1,000 grams of high purity fentanyl into the country and than cut it to the strength needed for sale inside the target country. In June 2006, 945 grams of 83% pure fentanyl powder was seized by Border Patrol agents in California from a vehicle which had entered from Mexico. Mexico is the source of much of the illicit fentanyl for sale in the U.S. However, there has been one domestic fentanyl lab discovered by law enforcement, in April 2006 in Azusa, California. The lab was a source of counterfeit 80 mg OxyContin tablets containing fentanyl instead of oxycodone -DEA Microgram june 06

[twigburst]

10% heroin is complete shit and isn't at all common in the US. By the looks of this thread, I seriously doubt most of you people know what the DMP or HSP is. DEA keeps tabs on average heroin purity, just read up a bit. I'd bet the farm that most of the dope I get in Newark is over 60%. I've done enough smack in this area to know what is garbage and what is good shit.

[limestoneman]

Apparently about 40% pure, which is believable, considering the dope that's been coming through here lately.


Oooh, I feel a relapse coming on.

[sopark4000]

10% heroin is complete shit and isn't at all common in the US. By the looks of this thread, I seriously doubt most of you people know what the DMP or HSP is. DEA keeps tabs on average heroin purity, just read up a bit. I'd bet the farm that most of the dope I get in Newark is over 60%. I've done enough smack in this area to know what is garbage and what is good shit.

Yea read up a bit Newark has had the strongest dope in the country on and off for years ;)

[twigburst]

I know, back when they published the HSP, they don't anymore though so its hard to tell how it ranks.

[Beefcake1004]

I know this is somewhat off the subject but wanted to run this by someone??? I'm new to the whole IV H thing but have always had a high tolerance with drugs. Before trying H IV for two weeks I mostly just snorted 80's and could do two no problem(but I am also on and off the subs). So this time I am sure it took by like day two or three to really feel the H. I mostly was doing this stamp called High Power with like six other stamps in the two weeks time. I did three and at the most four of the High Power and would feel good but not nodding out. The only time I would get really HIGH would be when I was into like 10-14 bags(three or four shots). I guess what I am asking assuming someone has a high tolerance is a three bag shot considered alot and what that be considered high inpurity(assuming count is usual .1 g). Sorry for this confusing post but everything I have tried has been relative to this High Power and I'm not even sure if this is considered strong. I don't want to be messing with increasing dosages if what I am doing is really pure because even though I may not feel it like someone else(nodding and stufff) I may be on verge of OD???? Thanx if someone can understand where I was going with this and can answer my ????'s. I'm from Philly area.

[Russellmeboy]

[quote=Beefcake1004;323965] Before trying H IV for two weeks I mostly just snorted 80's and could do two no problem


sorry i just thought that was funny...havent posted in months...went to jail.....first offence possesion..my boy had a half stack...dick....well...im relapsed but im taking suboxone....the dope man cometh tho, ppl allways try and give me dope when i dont want(need) it...but boy where the fuck are these motherfuckers when im sick...UGH!...the dope around here HAS to be straight fent and mixed tranqs..i havent seen brown dope in a while...all pure white with minimal rush and then BLAM..high for hours...fent right?

much love
Russ