Fentanyl Blotter?

[applesauce]

I have recently come across 150 mcg Fentanyl blotter. I haven't put my eyes on it yet, but I can get them. They're $10 each.

Does anybody know what this is or what they feel like? Is it a pharm, or street-brewed fent of some sort?

Is $10 a decent price for 150 mcg? I guess that if it isn't a pharm, it will be hard to say because there are so many different fentanyls that 150 mcg might be a huge dose, or it might be a tiny dose.

If it is a pharm though, maybe someone can give me a hint what they are like.

These aren't patches, they are a "put it under your tongue and eventually swallow it" type blotter just like acid. The source is reliable, so I don't think this is bullshit, but I'm actually stumped because I've never used or seen this before.

Thanks for any input.

[Porgie]

I don't think it's pharm. because all I've seen are 2.5 (25), 5.0 (50), 7.5 (75) and 10.0 (100) mcg but I don't know that much about them except my doctor gives me the 75 mcg.

[applesauce]

Thanks Porgie - I'm seeing some vague reports on Erowid and elsewhere of people using these, but they don't sound like blotter, they sound like simple sublingual pills.

Is the word blotter just being used in a way I didn't expect, and these are just pills? That would make me feel at least a little better - I mean, if they're being cranked out by Joe Blow in a bathtub somewhere I would hesitate to try them. Crank is one thing, but the complexities of fentynal synthesis are just too subtle. One fubb-up on the chemists part and I'd be sodfood. Pharms I'm more inclined to trust.

[akcom]

The source you are referring to is legit. I'm not sure how he came across the fent, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was through some underground chemist. The price isn't bad. As for what "type" of fentanyl, realize that there is only one chemical called "fentanyl," but there an chemical analogues. Wikipedia will tell you that the most commonly synthesized clandestinely produced analogue is AMF (alpha-methyl-fentanyl). I doubt the source knows what specific chemical he's getting, but you could always email him and ask.

[SpecialGuy69]

well fent is active in small enough doses to be sold on blotter... It could be someone cutting up a non-gel patch and misusing the word blotter though. Just ask them what the imprint is. I'd be hard-pressed to fork over money for small bits of paper unless someone I trusted vouched for them (exception: small, cheap tester dose) but if they aren't printed, you could easily get bait & switched. Maybe I'm paranoid from the racemic fent

[applesauce]

The source you are referring to is legit. I'm not sure how he came across the fent, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was through some underground chemist.

akcom: Thanks, you obviously know why I asked. You undoubtedly already know that reliable reports are coming back positive, I just wanted to get the expert opinion from the good folks here, since I had not heard about fentanyl being blotted (although I knew it was theoretically possible).

tm420tm: Thanks, I had thought that it could be blotted but hadn't ever read about it being prescribed in that form. I always associate blotter with illicit use, sort of like insufflation. Your doctor never tells you to go home and do a line of <whatever> and call in the morning. I think the product is good, I just don't know exactly what it is.

[SpecialGuy69]

interesting. very much so. hey sauce- how many micrograms can the average size hit of blotter hold? you know, like this size :[ ]
does it matter what chemical is absorbed, or is is about the same reguardless?

also, I wonder if this blotter could be smoked...

[applesauce]

I honestly don't know. I think it depends on what the compound is and exactly what kind of blotter paper it is. I wouldn't even know how to begin to guess.

I think that it depends upon how much strychnine you have to use to get the compound to adhere to the blotter paper.

Tell: (one of the more ridiculous urban legends is that LSD contains strychnine because the strychnine helps the LSD adhere to the paper)

[chemboy7]

There are sublingual tabs of Fentanyl that are legitly produced for medicinal use but I have never heard of any form of illicit take on this, either in tab or blotter form. Really, thinking about it, it doesn't even make sense (from a producer's point of veiw) to use blotter as a medium to transfer doses... make more money saturating an inert substance with it and marketing it as Heroin or China White. The people behind the scenes that are making things happen know that Opaite users/addicts prefer to either shoot/snort/smoke their dope, marketing Fentanyl on blotter paper is counter-productive. I would stay the fuck away from it myself; sound's like someone is either trying to straight rip you off or worse some inexperienced asshole cranked something out and figured that his (probably small amount) of customer's would be more apt to buy/trust a fent dose on blotter as opposed to purchase it as China White/Heroin. That's my opinion anyways.

[applesauce]

There are sublingual tabs of Fentanyl that are legitly produced for medicinal use but I have never heard of any form of illicit take on this, either in tab or blotter form. Really, thinking about it, it doesn't even make sense (from a producer's point of veiw) to use blotter as a medium to transfer doses... make more money saturating an inert substance with it and marketing it as Heroin or China White. The people behind the scenes that are making things happen know that Opaite users/addicts prefer to either shoot/snort/smoke their dope, marketing Fentanyl on blotter paper is counter-productive. I would stay the fuck away from it myself; sound's like someone is either trying to straight rip you off or worse some inexperienced asshole cranked something out and figured that his (probably small amount) of customer's would be more apt to buy/trust a fent dose on blotter as opposed to purchase it as China White/Heroin. That's my opinion anyways.

I would put $100 that the source is reliable in this particular case, but I would NOT put up $1000. You know how it is - I'm *preeetttty* sure, but the stuff isn't in my hand. The possibility of a deal with a fentanyl-savvy chemist is not outside the realm of possibility.

I know that many of the people that use serious narcotics like fentanyl would prefer to shoot, snort or smoke their product, so oral is less likely to appeal, but it does make perfect sense in this situation for reasons I'd prefer not to get into.

My main curiosity was to see if people would recognize this form of fentanyl and have any thoughts on it, and it sounds a lot like what I expected.

[SpecialGuy69]

so this isn't a pharmaceutical, right?

[chemboy7]

so this isn't a pharmaceutical, right?

Not if it's on blotter paper it isn't; there are pharm grade subligual Fentanyl tabs though.

[applesauce]

so this isn't a pharmaceutical, right?

Its not looking like it. I started this thread hoping in part to find that out. The card is still out, but I'm going to find out for sure in the most fun way I know how. More to come. :)

[SpecialGuy69]

very interested. Take lots of pics. ESPECIALLY if there is blotter art!!!!

[Papa Verine]

I'm sorry Applesauce but 150ug isn't worth $10 if you have a considerable tolerance. When I was doing heroin regularly I would take oral doses of Fentanyl of about 1,000ug at a time. The most I've ever taken was about 2,500ug. Just to give you an idea of how much 150ug is. I find it extremely hard to believe someone is making Fent and measuring doses at 150 micrograms each. They'd have to be pretty damned sophisticated.

I would guess that the Fentanyl being sold IS a pharmaceutical of some kind.

[applesauce]

Thanks Papa Ver, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

I don't know squat about fentanyl, its just plain out of my realm. I know several places to get methadone too, and SWIM does like that particular nod, but `done pounds him down too hard, way too hard. Puke too often to enjoy the buzz hard. That is at 40mg, so I don't think SWIM's tolerance is too high. Likewise SWIM can sniff 40mg OC and be pretty toasted. When SWIM enjoys his favorite, IV Diluadid 4mg/shot, he actually keeps a butter/cool whip type plastic tub filled with cat litter next to his bed, because he KNOWS he is going to puke at some point.

SWIM can get pretty toasty on 40mg hydro, and get sickly-wasted from 80. SWIM isn't sure what size morphine dose he uses because he isn't sure how much of the actual M is dissolving, but lately it has been a single 30mg IR tablet. SWIM likes the nod from that shot, but it doesn't have the almost-instant puke effect of the Dillies.

SWIM is better off not getting too familiar with fentanyl because his tolerance is already pretty low, and he has (smalltime but regular) access to a number of relatively powerful things. He should try to learn about them in moderation, and if 150mcg is having a nice effect for some people (it looks like it is) then maybe it will for SWIM. My big concern was that it is going to be too much, but thankfully based on what you are saying, the sky on oral fent is a lot higher than I thought. That makes me feel safer (which is probably a bad thing, but there it is).

[SuperJunky]

I would consider $10 per 150 mcg a good price. Fent is absorbed quit well sublingually but what about booting them. As long as the fent is water soluable you could boot it. Just drop the little piece of paper in a cap or spoon w/ a smidgen of water and boot her up. I've done this with lsd, It's the only time I got any afffects from the crappy cut to hell acid you get around here. While I don't have a ton of experience w/ fent I would advise being extremly careful if you decide to boot these, tiny shots. You could probably get the majority of the fent out of the paper and in a rig w/ only 5-10 units of water. 1 or 2 units to start, then go from there.

I can see a market for these, a lot of people don't like heroin, they think its too risky, to much room to put crap, and a lot of people won't sniff or boot but swallowing a peice of paper keeps you in the pills weed shrooms blotter world instead of the world of "Hard powdered Drugs." But once the hooks in, and fent can do that pretty quickly, you can either spend a fortune on this paper (which I assume the price of will quickly skyrocket if its what its supposed to be, or atleast has the same affect that fent blotter would have) or switch to H. Either way drug dealers make money. Any chance the person that has these is connected to either the H or pharmacutical dope market?

[applesauce]

As long as the fent is water soluable you could boot it. Just drop the little piece of paper in a cap or spoon w/ a smidgen of water and boot her up. I've done this with lsd,

Dude that is really funny, as soon as I was told what these things are, the first thing I thought was "wow its on blotter? Like acid? Hey, SWIM has shot blotter before by putting it in a spoon with dH2O..."

(yeah it works, but there was no benefit that SWIM saw - SWIM would have got higher eating the same amount of blotter. This was before the WWW, and we didn't know anyone else that had tried it or how soluble the substance on the paper was (LSD, ALD-52, whatever).

I'm glad to know that SWIM isn't the only one who actually tried that :)

[SuperJunky]

Were are these things circulating or coming from? Just a state would be nice.

[Papa Verine]

I would consider $10 per 150 mcg a good price. Fent is absorbed quit well sublingually but what about booting them. As long as the fent is water soluable you could boot it. Just drop the little piece of paper in a cap or spoon w/ a smidgen of water and boot her up. I've done this with lsd, It's the only time I got any afffects from the crappy cut to hell acid you get around here. While I don't have a ton of experience w/ fent I would advise being extremly careful if you decide to boot these, tiny shots. You could probably get the majority of the fent out of the paper and in a rig w/ only 5-10 units of water. 1 or 2 units to start, then go from there.

I can see a market for these, a lot of people don't like heroin, they think its too risky, to much room to put crap, and a lot of people won't sniff or boot but swallowing a peice of paper keeps you in the pills weed shrooms blotter world instead of the world of "Hard powdered Drugs." But once the hooks in, and fent can do that pretty quickly, you can either spend a fortune on this paper (which I assume the price of will quickly skyrocket if its what its supposed to be, or atleast has the same affect that fent blotter would have) or switch to H. Either way drug dealers make money. Any chance the person that has these is connected to either the H or pharmacutical dope market?

Hey Superjunky,

I used to buy 100 hour 100ug thin plastic Fent patches that contained exactly 10,200 micrograms of Fentanyl. 10.2 mg of Fentanyl for $100 a patch.

This is why I say 150 micrograms isn't worth $10. I'm only comparing it to what I've paid for Fent in the past when I could get it. I don't *really* know what the going rate is.

[applesauce]

Is there a way I could PM you or reply to a PM from you, or can you shoot me a Hush nym or something?

I'll be really embarrassed if there is an obvious way to do it...

[SuperJunky]

Around here a 25 mcg patch goes for $300 + on ocasion, pharm prices are way out of wack here, if you want a gauranteed thing you pay through the nose for it, but dopes reasonably priced. I can get by on $20/day dope but it takes $100/day to get by on pharms.

[applesauce]

Thanks, I got it, if you like you can edit it out of that post.

I will send you the area I'm in where they are going around. It should be in your box in about 5 mins.

[Ginger Snap]

150 mcg fent is an average HOURLY dose for a pain management patient in patch form. Ther is a new drug called Fentora that is a fizzy pill disolved sublingually. They com in doses from 400 mcg to 1200 mcg just like fent lollipops. If you have ANY tolerance, this "blotter" doesn't have enough fent to notice. However, with the large number of fent deaths, it could be risky with an unknown administration method. LET MIKEY TRY IT!!!!

Ginger Snap

[SpecialGuy69]

I bet they are making these from fent patches- like taking the gel, dissolving it in alcohol, then saturating blotter paper. makes sense.

[superman]

sounds expensive to me. i would pay $20 for a 100mcg/hr patch, so #10 for 150mic's is way expensive

[OxyContinuously]

Yeah applesauce, I can relate to that. Actually in my area, it came out that a dude selling blotters of DOB (a strong psychedelic) was really selling Fent. I actually bought some thinking it was dob and when i got pinned up, I was surprised so I brought the other blotter with me to work and ran a sample through the chromatograph/spectrometer and it came back as Fentanyl. I was definitely surprised because i hadn't seen it like this before, but it's definitely possible. 150 mikes would easily fit on a blotter. Hell 400 or 500 mikes would still fit on the blotter. I hear you, though---> it's a weird way to see Fent.

OxyC

[Papa Verine]

Yeah applesauce, I can relate to that. Actually in my area, it came out that a dude selling blotters of DOB (a strong psychedelic) was really selling Fent. I actually bought some thinking it was dob and when i got pinned up, I was surprised so I brought the other blotter with me to work and ran a sample through the chromatograph/spectrometer and it came back as Fentanyl. I was definitely surprised because i hadn't seen it like this before, but it's definitely possible. 150 mikes would easily fit on a blotter. Hell 400 or 500 mikes would still fit on the blotter. I hear you, though---> it's a weird way to see Fent.

OxyC

THat must be nice Oxy...to be able to bring unknown substances to work and run it through the C/S. I think I'd have some fun with that. I could bring different samples of H and find out what they're cutting it with. I bought some H yesterday that was really good but had some strange side-effects. I started to wonder what it was cut with.

[applesauce]

I don't even want to THINK about what I'd do to get some DOB, I'd LOVE it. I've only seen LSD/ALD on blotter though so far, the DOB has passed me by.

It's one of the only psychedelics that has been made and distributed that I haven't tried. Shulgin's first two books are full of all kinds of goodies, but most of them have never been on the streets or even distributed through RC channels. Right now 2C-B and NN,DMT are available, but still no DOB.

For the record, I have spoken to someone more thoroughly about the blots - as most people know, there are literally dozens of different fentanyl analogs, and only one of them is widely used for medical purposes. This is apparently one of the others - 150mcg is knocking people down.

We call "Fentanyl" Sublimaze (probably spelled that wrong, but I'm in a hurry and don't have time to check) but there are many other fentanyl analgesics around that are CI - this appears to be one of those others. I've got no idea how many times more powerful than morphine this particular fentanyl is, but it appears to be quite a bit stronger than Sublimaze.


It is on blotter paper identical to LSD. It is being manufactured that way for a very good reason.

I'll post something qualitative when it is possible. and you much-more-knowledgeable Opiophiles can probably give me more information about what it is at that point. For now, I can only tell what is here, I don't have the experience to express any useful opinion.

Best wishes to everybody, hope the holiday is treating everybody well.

[Papa Verine]

I don't even want to THINK about what I'd do to get some DOB, I'd LOVE it. I've only seen LSD/ALD on blotter though so far, the DOB has passed me by.

It's one of the only psychedelics that has been made and distributed that I haven't tried. Shulgin's first two books are full of all kinds of goodies, but most of them have never been on the streets or even distributed through RC channels. Right now 2C-B and NN,DMT are available, but still no DOB.

For the record, I have spoken to someone more thoroughly about the blots - as most people know, there are literally dozens of different fentanyl analogs, and only one of them is widely used for medical purposes. This is apparently one of the others - 150mcg is knocking people down.

We call "Fentanyl" Sublimaze (probably spelled that wrong, but I'm in a hurry and don't have time to check) but there are many other fentanyl analgesics around that are CI - this appears to be one of those others. I've got no idea how many times more powerful than morphine this particular fentanyl is, but it appears to be quite a bit stronger than Sublimaze.

Alfentail, Sufentanil... 150ug of either of those would be too much. And I can easliy see someone getting there hands on these analogs because I know where they could be "found" and I'm not all that smart.


It is on blotter paper identical to LSD. It is being manufactured that way for a very good reason.

I'll post something qualitative when it is possible. and you much-more-knowledgeable Opiophiles can probably give me more information about what it is at that point. For now, I can only tell what is here, I don't have the experience to express any useful opinion.

Best wishes to everybody, hope the holiday is treating everybody well.

[Papa Verine]

^^ I inserted my comment in the middle of your quote. Sorry...

[OxyContinuously]

THat must be nice Oxy...to be able to bring unknown substances to work and run it through the C/S. I think I'd have some fun with that. I could bring different samples of H and find out what they're cutting it with. I bought some H yesterday that was really good but had some strange side-effects. I started to wonder what it was cut with.


I gotta be REEEEEAAAAAL careful, tho. I mean it's "my lab" in the sense that I direct what goes on in there, with our syntheses, methodology and other stuff. I also have an intern so I could always blame him!!! Just kidding. Yeah though, PapaV, I hate doing shit like that because God forbid I was caught. Let's just say, that if I didn't direct that particular branch (at my work, a "director" of a lab, and there are about 40 or so different laboratories ("branches" as they're called) on the property, just means a supervisor/manager. I don't own the company or anything like that. I am the head chemist for my laboratory. I have autonomy in the sense that I get my orders from the Main Office/Headquarters on what to do that particular day or week or month depending on the size of the project, and I do it, but I have the freedom to do it how I LIKE DOING it. There are many ways to do my job in the sense that chemistry has many different methods that all lead up to the same end result but I have earned the privelege to do things my way, I guess would be a good way to sum it up. Having the power to be my own boss allows me to do some "research" on occasion. For example, if I was interning I would never DREAM of attempting to chromatograph that shit. The beauty is that I don't have to explain myself :-)

Nevertheless, PapaV, I shudder when I do something like that because of the dreaded "what if."

OxyC

[applesauce]

Alfentail, Sufentanil... 150ug of either of those would be too much. And I can easliy see someone getting there hands on these analogs because I know where they could be "found" and I'm not all that smart.

Cool thanks Papa, that is good to know. I had no idea what these are, only having heard reports from others second-hand. My curiosity alone is enough to get me to put one under my own tongue though.

I honestly didn't know there were other fents that are used medicinally. I know one of the more popular ones on the streets is 3-methyl-fentanyl and it is supposed to be quite the kick. It's one of those drugs that the slightest shift can cause a lethal dose because it weighs differently than the cut, so it is really dangerous. If I'm not mistaken (as I occasionally am) TMF was sold as China White and also as "Tango and Cash" at one point, and it did kill some addicts.

[goldie1]

Are these coming out of Canada? On green blotter paper with spy guy on them?

If they are they are amazing. The euphoria is like no other opiate. I wish I picked up more.

[Paregoric Kid]

wow I've always wanted to see this happen lol
if it isn't fentanyl it's probably one of the methylfentanyls
it's great because fentanyls are effective in such tiny doses that like acid you could make blotters. do you just chew them up and/or suck on them (sublingual/buccal) or do you put a piece of the blotter in water and suck it up into a rig? I imagine either way would be good.
the electric kool aid fentanyl test, we can ride around the country in a bus chewing on little pieces of paper with fentanyl on them lol

[goldie1]

wow I've always wanted to see this happen lol
if it isn't fentanyl it's probably one of the methylfentanyls
it's great because fentanyls are effective in such tiny doses that like acid you could make blotters. do you just chew them up and/or suck on them (sublingual/buccal) or do you put a piece of the blotter in water and suck it up into a rig? I imagine either way would be good.
the electric kool aid fentanyl test, we can ride around the country in a bus chewing on little pieces of paper with fentanyl on them lol


I just put it under my tongue for ten minutes and then swallow it. You get a nice intense euphoric rush for 1 hour and then you get the after effects for four or so. These are great BUT very , very addictive. When I ran out I almost went nuts.

[applesauce]

Are these coming out of Canada? On green blotter paper with spy guy on them?

If they are they are amazing. The euphoria is like no other opiate. I wish I picked up more.

Out of respect and discretionYES, I'm not going to ansYESer that.

[applesauce]

wow I've always wanted to see this happen lol
if it isn't fentanyl it's probably one of the methylfentanyls
it's great because fentanyls are effective in such tiny doses that like acid you could make blotters. do you just chew them up and/or suck on them (sublingual/buccal) or do you put a piece of the blotter in water and suck it up into a rig? I imagine either way would be good.
the electric kool aid fentanyl test, we can ride around the country in a bus chewing on little pieces of paper with fentanyl on them lol

I loved Tom Wolfe's book, that made my whole decade when I read it. I wanted to do Mountain Girl, she sounded so hip. :)

You put it under your tongue. Just think LSD, except fent. You could probably put it in a spoon with water or some other injectable liquid solvent, but you would know better than I about the solubility of fentanyl.

[goldie1]

I loved Tom Wolfe's book, that made my whole decade when I read it. I wanted to do Mountain Girl, she sounded so hip. :)

You put it under your tongue. Just think LSD, except fent. You could probably put it in a spoon with water or some other injectable liquid solvent, but you would know better than I about the solubility of fentanyl.


If you buy them off a guy on the boards (think funny man) then you may not want to inject them. My friend whom I talk to IRL bought some off of him. She said they are way stronger then the ones I picked up and if injectthem ..well... you might run into some trouble. The vendor states them at 150 mcg but people who bought them said they are way more than that. It's probably not a good ideal to inject fent when you don't know the exact dosage

[applesauce]

Let's be really careful about the innuendo. He HATES attention and quickly stops dealing with people.

Respect where it is due.

I deal with a lot of online people, most of them are private-only, they don't allow their clients to give out their information, it is all done through referral through him first. I prefer dealing with these people, personally.

This one is slightly more public but he is not taking new clients. Let's not give any hints about who he is - the material he has WILL make it to the streets if it is anywhere near as good as what I'm hearing. Intermediaries will doubtless crop up, and seeing that he offers volume prices, I think he expects that. But if we shine attention to him, we will lose a good reliable person. His only current inventory are these.

[OpiGuRu729]

it could be liquid fent, 150mcg of liquid and soak it into a blotter this may be possible...

[chemboy7]

it could be liquid fent, 150mcg of liquid and soak it into a blotter this may be possible...

Think I'd use Ether myself, it'd evaporate to a dry sheet faster and wouldn't be as apt to cause a water mark on your blotter paper.

[applesauce]

Yeah applesauce, I can relate to that. Actually in my area, it came out that a dude selling blotters of DOB (a strong psychedelic) was really selling Fent. I actually bought some thinking it was dob and when i got pinned up, I was surprised so I brought the other blotter with me to work and ran a sample through the chromatograph/spectrometer and it came back as Fentanyl. I was definitely surprised because i hadn't seen it like this before, but it's definitely possible. 150 mikes would easily fit on a blotter. Hell 400 or 500 mikes would still fit on the blotter. I hear you, though---> it's a weird way to see Fent.

OxyC

I just wanted to add that DOB has just appeared in the inventory of one of the more popular RC suppliers. They say it will be available for shipping this coming week. The same vendor also has DMT and 2C-B, but DOB is the one I haven't tried, so SWIM is placing an order ASAP.

I know this is OT, I just wanted to let you know in case you're still interested in locating some DOB. I know I can't wait.

[goldie1]

I just wanted to add that DOB has just appeared in the inventory of one of the more popular RC suppliers. They say it will be available for shipping this coming week. The same vendor also has DMT and 2C-B, but DOB is the one I haven't tried, so SWIM is placing an order ASAP.

I know this is OT, I just wanted to let you know in case you're still interested in locating some DOB. I know I can't wait.

I don't think you'll be overly impressed with DOB.

[Fentygal]

not a good idea-- sounds way too much like acid or something scary....

[nick]

some of us like scary

[applesauce]

I don't think you'll be overly impressed with DOB.

Really? I've always heard such good things, but I have no firsthand experience. I'll post after trying it. Hopefully I will be, but I *am* hard to impress with psychedelics. DMT to me is the end-all be-all.

We'll see how it goes, if and when they come through.

And nick - no doubt about it, scary can be the best. Psychedelics mean kissing God on the lips, and opiate-scary is kissing Morpheus. Both can be scary, and I hope to die knowing as many of those kinds of fear as possible. :)

[AWOL]

not a good idea-- sounds way too much like acid or something scary....

scary ????? prohibition, and religion are the only scary things I can think of.

[dimebagaboy]

is duragesic patches fent? if it is gel is it possible to thin out that gel?u know where im going with this someone please pm me and let me know how to!

[applesauce]

is duragesic patches fent?

Yes.

if it is gel is it possible to thin out that gel?u know where im going with this someone please pm me and let me know how to!

I would ask Ike, I think that he is the local guru of fent patches. Apparently if you do it right, they are really good to smoke.

[RoadHead]

is duragesic patches fent? if it is gel is it possible to thin out that gel?u know where im going with this someone please pm me and let me know how to!

actually, it took you longer to type these questions out, and wait for answers, than it would just to use the search engine. instant gratification and instant answers are just a small search away