Butalbital???

[satori]

I have Fioricet(sp). ANything worth while with these? Or are they just a waste? I also have codeisan so i was thinking fioricet + codeisan = good day? Only problem is i take clonopin at night so thats a lot of things in my system.

I have NEVER taken it or anything else in the family before. What should i expect? What is a good dose mixed with codeine? AND! does any 1 know if having clonopin in my system from the night before will be an issue. I will still probably end up calling a couple pharmacies to make sure but maybe some one reading this will know!

I have to keep fighting myself to not go to the doctor with back pain.... my back ALWAYS hurts really bad around christmas and new years for some reason

[moviebuff927]

I have Fioricet(sp). ANything worth while with these? Or are they just a waste? I also have codeisan so i was thinking fioricet + codeisan = good day? Only problem is i take clonopin at night so thats a lot of things in my system.

I have NEVER taken it or anything else in the family before. What should i expect? What is a good dose mixed with codeine? AND! does any 1 know if having clonopin in my system from the night before will be an issue. I will still probably end up calling a couple pharmacies to make sure but maybe some one reading this will know!

I have to keep fighting myself to not go to the doctor with back pain.... my back ALWAYS hurts really bad around christmas and new years for some reason

I think it has too much caffeine in it to be worth it. Once you get a nice dose of butalbital, you'll also be getting a nice dose of tylenol and caffeine. Butalbital by itself is pleasant, but Fioricet is kind of a wierd combo drug. When I got in my car accident several years ago, the plastic surgeon first prescribed Fioricet and after reading about it in my PDR, I called him back and told him I didn't want to take it so he prescribed Lortab instead. I readily traded prescriptions!

[satori]

I just have it sitting around so no trading possible here lol. Can it be ok with just one pill? Or is that not enough to get much of a feeling?

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

It's pretty decent stuff for a mild headache. Take 3 and you'll feel a mild "I've just had 2 light beers" feeling. They have a very "alcoholic" feel to them. Not my cup o' tea, but if you get the ones with added codeine, then you'll feel better than taking the plain ones. I wouldn't worry bout the kpins with the fioricet. I've taken them together before, with hydro and codeine and it's no big deal. Watch for the tylenol though.

[red26]

It's pretty decent stuff for a mild headache. Take 3 and you'll feel a mild "I've just had 2 light beers" feeling. They have a very "alcoholic" feel to them. Not my cup o' tea, but if you get the ones with added codeine, then you'll feel better than taking the plain ones. I wouldn't worry bout the kpins with the fioricet. I've taken them together before, with hydro and codeine and it's no big deal. Watch for the tylenol though.

exactly how I understood it.

[theobarbital]

yeah. the ones with codeine are better of course, i have also taken the ones without codiene. and it has too much caffeine when you take several for the butalbital to calm you down. if only it was just a straight barb, it would be fine, weak but fine. fuck APAP and caffeine cuts.

[antigonemuse]

in defense of barbie - not a suggested dose

My whole family (nearly is addicted to this shit)... I have been on butabitol, caffine, asprin or tyenol combo... and with codine for migraines since I was very young

at large doses ( about 10-20 tabs) the high is intense. I have gotten a buzz from 5tabs (my average dose) but I WOULD NOT combine with benzos

definatly and uncordinated, flying type of feeling... heavy speech sluring (even if you dont realize it), and almost no inhabitions

I like it, but WDs are horrible and its really easy to take a whole bottle of 60 tabs in a matter of days (and or hours)

[PantyShot9]

God I miss Fioricet it is unattainable in my area how the fuck do I luck up on Opana but can't find that. But yea you should take some Fioricet and some Codesian don't be scared of it or anything it is great if you like downers like benzos although it is ddifferent. I've gotten the Fioricet with Codeine before they are better but if you have codeine to take with it you're cool.

[Narkotikon]

I wouldn't take it with the k-pins like someone else suggested, but since you've been taking k-pins, you've probably got a tolerance to benzo's, correct? I know butalbital is a barb, but I think there's cross tolerance with barbs and benzos. I could be wrong about that though. One or even three probably won't hurt you, but with the caffeine in it and your possible tolerance to benzos, it makes it almost impossible to ejoy the barb buzz. To me barbs are more euphoric than benzos, so I like them better, even though I have more experience with benzos because barbs are just harder to get. They are good for migraines though.

[moviebuff927]

I wouldn't take it with the k-pins like someone else suggested, but since you've been taking k-pins, you've probably got a tolerance to benzo's, correct? I know butalbital is a barb, but I think there's cross tolerance with barbs and benzos. I could be wrong about that though. One or even three probably won't hurt you, but with the caffeine in it and your possible tolerance to benzos, it makes it almost impossible to ejoy the barb buzz. To me barbs are more euphoric than benzos, so I like them better, even though I have more experience with benzos because barbs are just harder to get. They are good for migraines though.

Ditto to that...benzos have no euphoria whatsoever...but barbs have a pretty decent amount, especially compared the benzos. I think that is the main difference between them. While benzos slow you down, relax, and make you forget, barbs do the same thing but it feels so much better.

Right on target Narkotikon, as always! :)

[PantyShot9]

Ditto to that...benzos have no euphoria whatsoever...but barbs have a pretty decent amount, especially compared the benzos. I think that is the main difference between them. While benzos slow you down, relax, and make you forget, barbs do the same thing but it feels so much better.

Right on target Narkotikon, as always! :)


Except for phenobarbital I don't find that euphoric at all. Although it's great to sleep for like 2 days.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

God I miss Fioricet it is unattainable in my area how the fuck do I luck up on Opana but can't find that. But yea you should take some Fioricet and some Codesian don't be scared of it or anything it is great if you like downers like benzos although it is ddifferent. I've gotten the Fioricet with Codeine before they are better but if you have codeine to take with it you're cool.


Probably the same reason I luck up on soma's and xanax (docs give it out like candy down here), but the second you ask for codeine cough syrup or lortab, all the docs start singing "kill the junkie" like elmer fudd in that cartoon with bugs bunny.

[PantyShot9]

Probably the same reason I luck up on soma's and xanax (docs give it out like candy down here), but the second you ask for codeine cough syrup or lortab, all the docs start singing "kill the junkie" like elmer fudd in that cartoon with bugs bunny.


No I mean I can find Opana and Dilaudid here but can't even fucking find plain Fioricet it's nuts.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

No I mean I can find Opana and Dilaudid here but can't even fucking find plain Fioricet it's nuts.


That's what I'm saying too. I can find soma, xanax, fioricet, in mass quantity, but can't even get fuckin 5mg per gallon codeine cough syrup without gettin the junky card thrown at me. I'd say 120 soma, 90 xanax bars, and 180 fioricet per MONTH is way more dangerous and "addictive" than say... pancof (which is taboo around here).

Unless you were talking about "less than legal" channels. In which case I see your point.

[PantyShot9]

That's what I'm saying too. I can find soma, xanax, fioricet, in mass quantity, but can't even get fuckin 5mg per gallon codeine cough syrup without gettin the junky card thrown at me. I'd say 120 soma, 90 xanax bars, and 180 fioricet per MONTH is way more dangerous and "addictive" than say... pancof (which is taboo around here).

Unless you were talking about "less than legal" channels. In which case I see your point.

Yes I guess it would be considered illegally obtained. I'm definately not prescribed Opana or Dilaudid. By the way I love your name Dilaudid is my all time favorite substance.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Yes I guess it would be considered illegally obtained. I'm definately not prescribed Opana or Dilaudid. By the way I love your name Dilaudid is my all time favorite substance.


Mine too. 2/50mg dilaudid/phenergan, or just 4mg straight dilaudid, and has to be IM since oral sucks (and I never IV anything) , is a nice way to kill some pain, while coppin a nice buzz.

[PantyShot9]

Mine too. 2/50mg dilaudid/phenergan, or just 4mg straight dilaudid, and has to be IM since oral sucks (and I never IV anything) , is a nice way to kill some pain, while coppin a nice buzz.


Yes oral does suck but sadly I fell into the IV trap. Man I wish I could try that D Phenergan combo I haven't been able to get Phenergan in a while.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Yes oral does suck but sadly I fell into the IV trap. Man I wish I could try that D Phenergan combo I haven't been able to get Phenergan in a while.

I actually prefer the 2/50 phenergan combo over a straight 4 of d. Phenergan adds a whole new level of depth to the opiate experience. Diphenhydramine works ok as a substitute, try it if you haven't already. I also like to take 75mg diphenhydramine with 20mg hydro and a glass of grapefruit juice and it works great. It's a good way to save on pills, and since I'm a chronic pain patient, pills are like gold to me.

[AWOL]

Yes oral does suck ??????

[PantyShot9]

I actually prefer the 2/50 phenergan combo over a straight 4 of d. Phenergan adds a whole new level of depth to the opiate experience. Diphenhydramine works ok as a substitute, try it if you haven't already. I also like to take 75mg diphenhydramine with 20mg hydro and a glass of grapefruit juice and it works great. It's a good way to save on pills, and since I'm a chronic pain patient, pills are like gold to me.

Jow much diph with the D and should I take it before or after. I have actually tried it in a dangerous form I shot some with my Dilaudid out of a capsule of diph.

[PantyShot9]

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I was talking about Dilaudid. Sorry me and SalvationThroughDilaudid got way off topic about our love.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

I was talking about Dilaudid. Sorry me and SalvationThroughDilaudid got way off topic about our love.


And what a sweet, sweet love it is...:cool:

[PantyShot9]

And what a sweet, sweet love it is...:cool:


Right my Christmas is going to be oh so sweet because I am getting the gift of 40 mg of hydromorphone.

[AWOL]

I was talking about Dilaudid. Sorry me and SalvationThroughDilaudid got way off topic about our love.

Just a joke dude.


Yes oral does suck

[satori]

wtf happend to my Butalbital thread lmfao

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

wtf happend to my Butalbital thread lmfao

Sorry if we hijacked it :o

Did you take'em yet? How'd it go?

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Jow much diph with the D and should I take it before or after. I have actually tried it in a dangerous form I shot some with my Dilaudid out of a capsule of diph.

Don't know if I'd be shooting diphenhydramine, but I'm not a shooter, so I don't know. I'd go with 75mg about 30min to 1 hour before the Dilaudid.

[satori]

not yet im about to.... maybe

[satori]

Still nervous about APAP but im taking 2 so far so good

[satori]

i think i took to many, im not having a hard time staying awake but m hahving a hard time walking lol

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Still nervous about APAP but im taking 2 so far so good


Don't go over 3 at once if you don't have any benzo/barb tolerance. Or if you're like 85lbs. or something. 975mg of apap won't hurt you unless maybe your liver is failing.

[schizo]

Don't go over 3 at once if you don't have any benzo/barb tolerance. Or if you're like 85lbs. or something. 975mg of apap won't hurt you unless maybe your liver is failing.

Haha, yeah I'll agree with STD 975mg isn't bad at all. From the stories I've heard on hear of people taking heroic doses of APAP I think you will be fine. Not that I am endorsing large doses of APAP that shit can be bad news. I have the tendency to get paranoid thinking my liver is failing when I take larger doses of APAP. I'll start thinking I'm looking jaundiced and start flipping out. But then again I'm paranoid by nature. :)

[youwonhundred]

*to salvationthroughdilaudid*
Totally random observation, here, but did you think when making your username, that it would/could be abbreviated STD?

Sorry for the OT, but thats kinda fucked up, ya know? lol


and last but not least, you god damn right, dilaudid is YUMMY!!!111

[satori]

I had read about the massive doses of fioricet others were taking and i have been taking clonopin for a few months now so i thought hey! why not. I took 3. WOW. Its not like other things i have taken (thats for sure). I have a ton of soma and that always hits really hard, peaks then go's down. But the Fioricet kind of started slowly and stayed that way for a big (which is why i took 1.5 more). Then an hour later i was all over the place. Caffeine made it kind of crappy because it created a lot of anxiety type feelings but the butalbital was good. I wont take more then 1 gram of APAP in a 24 hour period because im scared of its effects on my liver.

[satori]

I have the tendency to get paranoid thinking my liver is failing when I take larger doses of APAP. I'll start thinking I'm looking jaundiced and start flipping out. But then again I'm paranoid by nature. :)

MY GOD! i have done that 4 times in the last week! I know for a fact my skin is changing color, my liver hurts, and is throbing. Then again i took the recomended dose of tylenol..... To each there own!

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

MY GOD! i have done that 4 times in the last week! I know for a fact my skin is changing color, my liver hurts, and is throbing. Then again i took the recomended dose of tylenol..... To each there own!


Unfortunately I get stuck with about 2 grams of apap per day. If I'm not yellow, I know you can't be. But to each his own. You did like the butalbital though yes? It's alot like alcohol, not entirely my thing, but some people like it. Soma is overrated in my book. It's just not the hard hitter for me like others say it is for them. I just sorta get a little relaxed like taking a 5mg valium or something.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

*to salvationthroughdilaudid*
Totally random observation, here, but did you think when making your username, that it would/could be abbreviated STD?

Sorry for the OT, but thats kinda fucked up, ya know? lol


and last but not least, you god damn right, dilaudid is YUMMY!!!111


didn't notice till it was pointed out...yummy indeed:cool:

[satori]

They werent bad. Alcohol makes me feel like shit and i get major hang overs even when i take vitamens and other stuff. This had more euphoria to it then alcohol does for me. I Used to REALLY abuse alcohol after a violent attack and when the same people were threating to kill me (PTSD). I was drinking 4-5 times a day (vodka in gatorade so i could hide it better). Since then i havent been able to bring myself to get drunk.

[Narkotikon]

Satori: Don't worry about the APAP. I mean, the max suggested dose per day is 4 grams, and unless you're liver is failing or you're an alcoholic, I'd say it's not going to hurt you to take even a little bit more than that. I'm not recommending it or anything, and I"m not suggesting you do it every day, but if it's a one time thing, it won't hurt most likely.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? There's a syrup with hydromorphone in it? I thought I've tried them all. The best I ever got was Tussionex. You'd have to have a REALLY bad cough to get that shit. Or, am I wrong, is it a pill? I agree though, IV dilaudid is much better than oral. Although I'd take a 2mg pill right now over seed tea. Who am I kidding? I'd bang the fuck out of it. I hate having points just laying around and nothing to use them with. It's so sadistic.

[satori]

I get tussionex fairly easily. WEll actualy hycotuss (normal hydrocodone) with Guiffenesan(sp). I cant stand taking antihistamines they drive me crazy.

[Mu-Lover]

I had read about the massive doses of fioricet others were taking and i have been taking clonopin for a few months now so i thought hey! why not. I took 3. WOW. Its not like other things i have taken (thats for sure). I have a ton of soma and that always hits really hard, peaks then go's down. But the Fioricet kind of started slowly and stayed that way for a big (which is why i took 1.5 more). Then an hour later i was all over the place. Caffeine made it kind of crappy because it created a lot of anxiety type feelings but the butalbital was good. I wont take more then 1 gram of APAP in a 24 hour period because im scared of its effects on my liver.

Like others have said...i would not worry about 1g of APAP in a day, unless of course you have no liver function whatsoever. I mean think about it...one Tylenol has 500mg in it! 2pillsx4times/day is max=4g like someone said...thats what the pharm companies say to ward off lawsuits. Don't get me wrong, APAP is some bad shit for your liver, but in my worse days (400mg of OC/day), if i could only score Hydro, I'd find myself take 10+ of 7.5/750's at a time, twice in a day...i thought my liver would fail for sure, but nothing happened (i mean NOTHING, no buzz, no w/d relief, what shit! Sorry Hydro lovers). In case you don't wanna do the math, thats 7500mg's of APAP a pop...yea thats bad, like taking 15 Extra Strenth Tyl's at once...no good....good for me that's the last time i did that...wasn't feeling so hot, but none the less, i digress...i wouldnt worry about 1g of APAP

[OpiGuRu729]

i am prescribed klonopin 1mg in the morning and one at night i also take 120mg liquid oxy a day and i have fioricet w codiene 30mg for migraines some people like them its an odd drug but i am going to ask my doctor to switch me to somthing else perhaps lortab... but as to your question of if the fioricet and codiene will affect the klonopin the answer is no, at least for me i didnt experience any negative side affects from taking the two together so you should be fine...

[Flagg]

Satori -

I get Fioricet online pretty damn easily, as Butalbital is not scheduled AT ALL when mixed with APAP (attempts to schedule have failed, and since doctors hardly write Fioricet anymore, I doubt it ever will unless the online thing becomes too big). One thing other than the APAP to watch is the damn CAFFEINE dose, which is a can of Coke PER PILL. It's not awful unless you're taking an amp, like I am now, and then you have to start considering your BP.

STORY TIME regarding tolerance: Speaking of amps, the recent Concerta prescription has forced my recreational using of this way down, from about 8-12 pills a day to about 3-4 (used to fend off headaches and WDs). The headaches - especially with the added Ritalin - got REALLY AWFUL, and I had to lay down last night with one of the worst headaches of my life (I broke off the XR and did the rest all at once yesterday instead of taking the pill whole oops :D ). This morning, I woke up with a dull headache, a backache, and a spine that felt like it was gonna shatter. Instead of taking my Concerta, though, I took only three Fioricets, only 1-3 pills less than what I had been recreationally using.

WOW. I took 'em at 11:30 and nearly two hours later I'm still buzzing, which is the longest I've lasted off of em. I think most of it is how it sapped every pain in my body away, kind of like the way opiates do when you haven't had any in a while and you're just starting those WDs (off topic, does anyone wait until a little bit of WD's start before dosing opiates so the feeling is magnified?).

Anyway, the moral of the story is that tolerance to these build FAST ... it's a good idea to skip them for a few days (taking maybe 1 or 2 to fend off terrible headache WDs) and have a go again. It keeps the daily APAP use down, makes you higher with less pills, and teaches you patience, which is something us opiate users could stand to learn at times :D

[Flagg]

P.S. I personally verify that these CAN be cold-washed, although BE CAREFUL because doing this seems to bring on the high quick (like downing a few shots of alcohol all at once) and although it dies quickly, it's much more intense to me than letting the pills dissolve in your stomach over time.

[scikid]

I remeber enjoying the one script to them I had when I was 16.

[suboxoneeater]

I am looking to source a large amount of these. Sounds fun recreationally.

Ok, so you can CWE the APAP, and counteract the caffeine with equal amounts of l-theanine. This was used with other pills (AMP by ergopharm) to get the recreational benefits without feeling bad from caffeine, and it works perfectly.

Also start taking some other liver tonics like milk thistle and curcumin... they are p-glycoprotein inhibitors anyways, and have a host of other good effects for our carcasses.

Whos got a good source for these? PM me please

[chasetherush]

Probably the same reason I luck up on soma's and xanax (docs give it out like candy down here), but the second you ask for codeine cough syrup or lortab, all the docs start singing "kill the junkie" like elmer fudd in that cartoon with bugs bunny.so true. especially if you're a male and you're under 40. closest i've ever gotten to narcotics for my bad back is ultram. talk about weak, ineffective, and still highly physically addictive! i didn't even finish the bottle. they didn't help at all with the back pain.