'Ibogaine' Forum

[bi11i]

Great news; the Ibogaine forum is now moderated by Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935), who has since January of 2000 administered more than 100 Ibogaine treatments. Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935) is located in Prague where Ibogaine is legally used in the treatment of addiction.

Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935) is also the owner and operator of www.ibogainetreatment.net (http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/) and has been schooled under Karl Naeher of (www.ibogainetreatment.com/ (http://www.ibogainetreatment.com/)) He has kindly offered his services in answering questions and making himself generally available to anyone who's interested in finding out more about Ibogaine.

Many thanks in advance from Opiophile.org.....

[jacky]

too cool. thanks for stepping up brian! I have always wanted to go to prauge, now I have another reason besides the love festival.

[da982]

what kind of cost is associated with this treatment?

[jacky]

the cheapest that we have found is in Mexico, and is not at a clinic, but provided by a private individual. they do provide a place to stay for longer than the drug effects, and will even take you camping in the mountains if you want to experience the drug in a natural setting. the cost was under a 1000$. for the cheapest clinical treatments look for clinics in Canada, or Mexico for stateside residents
Clinical treatments run in the thousands...............
Ibogaine can also be bought and sent to a PO box in another country like Mexico or Canada, for the cheapest experience a person could buy the material and rent a hotel room, though the first option I listed provides free room plus a very good deal on the ibogaine, so that route might actually be cheaper in the long run than getting the material oneself.

[Brian]

what kind of cost is associated with this treatment?

Well, it goes from $1200,- to $ 12000,-. The highest price ($ 12000,-) is charged by the ibogaine clinic in St.Kitts, between $ 3000 and $ 4000 charges the Ibogaine Association in Baja (very close to San Diego) and about $ 1200 is charged in Europe by non-medical treatment providers like me.

Brian

[thbronze]

Great news; the Ibogaine forum is now moderated by Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935), who has since January of 2000 administered more than 100 Ibogaine treatments. Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935) is located in Prague where Ibogaine is legally used in the treatment of addiction.

Brian (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=935) is also the owner and operator of www.ibogainetreatment.net (http://www.ibogainetreatment.net/) and has been schooled under Karl Naeher of (www.ibogainetreatment.com/ (http://www.ibogainetreatment.com/)) He has kindly offered his services in answering questions and making himself generally available to anyone who's interested in finding out more about Ibogaine.

Many thanks in advance from Opiophile.org.....

So Ibogaine is only used for detox?No euphoric effects?Yes,i did go to the site above

[Brian]

Ibogaine does induce an altered state of mind, but I wouldn`t call it euforic. it can be pretty intense in dosages above 1 gram and one feels physically and mentally exhausted for a couple of days. Even though one feels the beneficial effects (even non-addicts) one doesn`t usually feel like repeating it. For addicts though I really recommend to do it at least twice, even better 4 times during the first year, which is always the most risky one, relaps-wise. Ibogaine simply makes somebody feel alive again.

[Brian]

Counter acting medicine - I have good results with Clonazepam in taking away the "ibogaine hangover" -the sense of exhaustion that comes right after the peak. Yet, in case that one is for example oversensitive to stimulant drugs and would get a bit too more of ibogaine, then the benzo`s wouldn`t be sufficient I guess and one can only pray for a sitter with CPR training...

[Brian]

Yes, small dosages are beneficial too, if one for example would like to deal just with the cravings.Not really sure though if Dr Mash`s theory of the effect of ibogaine metabolite (nor-ibogaine) staying long in the body really explains ibogaine`s long-term effects.
It`s possible for example to take 200mg of Ibo HCl a week, or up to 50 mg a day...it`s very individual.
Just don`t try the row powder from the iboga root -very harsh and very little effective.

[SobrietyBinge]

I believe you can get away with buying ibogaine in the U.S. by purchasing Voacanga root bark. you can purchase a 95%T. alkaloidial extract from MJB Botanicals

[nick]

Cost of treatment in London was £600 that's $1,200 give or take and no guarentees.Fuck it,saved the bread and took a lot of acid instead.Probably not my wisest move.

[jacky]

I think the euphoria would depend on the situation, and the person. maybe the lower dose tonic type uses of iboga alkaloids could have some pleasent effects?
I know ibogaine was used in small doses during the early 19th century as an aid for explorers in the arctic/mountainous regions as a stimulant (marching pills) and that iboga tincture has been used as a tonic for seniors up into the 1970's in the states, so perhaps very low dose use of iboga/ibogaine might have some recreational/euphoric properties.

I doubt that you will see any clinics passing on information like that though, they dont want their medication to be used as a recreational material I suspect in most cases. The clinic in Mexico near san diego will give you ibogaine in a somewhat recreational manner, meaning they do more than give people the drug for detox. Author Danile Pinchbeck, in his latest book "2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl" describes his second time dosing on psychedelic amounts of ibogaine/iboga. He was actually offered a free dosing/stay at the clinic, it seems as a recreational or spiritual trip rather than a treatment for drug addiction. I am sure the company was looking to advertise the clinic and the drug beyond being specifically interested in giving Mr pinchbeck ibogaine for any mentall illness or other. Not that I wouldnt take the same offer, but I find it rather odd this company extended this treatment to someone who isnt claiming they need detox, given the risks involved with taking ibogaine. It would be pretty cool to be able to get clinical treatment like this even if you were just looking for a spiritual experience or recreational experience. never going to happen in the states. I could see other clinics being wary of this particular clinics approach, if certian governments suspect that iboga is being used as anything but a medicine for detox then some places might get shut down. maybe it is better for people who just want to take ibogaine for spiritual/recreational reasons to do so on their own behalf?

I look forward to using small amounts as opiate potentiators/detox aids, maybe in small daily doses. but I am going to have to get out of the country for that! could be years..........

[Matty Fats 420]

i know some friends that went to ibogaine treatment in mexico. the one kid i talked too said they gave him IV morphine to calm him down before they gave him the treatment, and also some benzos when he came off the ibogaine. i know its used for drug treatment, but why would they give him more drugs for a drug problem. or could he just be telling a story that never happened. just was wondering if you ever heard of anyone doing that cuz it sounded pretty crazy to me.

[jacky]

dosing on opiates right before a large ibogaine dose is NOT standard practise. the alkaloid is known for opiate potentiation, so giving someone opiates right before taking ibogaine could potentially cause an overdose. it has happened before I geuss, at least in one case where the patient shot heroin before intake into the program.

maybe they gave him the morphine a good deal before the ibogaine?
and also, practice in another country might be pretty variable.
I have read a few of burroughs accounts of morphine being used before a detox session.

if the " magic " of ibogaine is a dualism of mental support/spiritual support and that of an active iboga metabolite support beyond the initial ibogaine experiment/treatment, then maybe most of the potential of iboga treatment is in the large "knock-down" dose...
but if the metabolite hypothesis is correct, then maybe the intense mental experience/physical trial could be bypassed?


my big bright idea, is to do just that, dose on opiates/opioids, and then take iboga root...but take a VERY small dose of iboga alkaloids, on a daily basis. and see if over time the iboga creates a potentiation of the opiate dose, allowing for reduction of the daily amount of opiates being used.
I know one hypothesis is that the long lasting iboga metabolites cause part of the reduction/abolishment of opiate withdrawl...my idea hinges on this active metabolite hypo. the thought that a large, potentially dangerous, and mentally exhaustive standard iboga/ibogaine dose might be stretched out over a multitude of days and still create an active metabolite that has theraputic value might appeal to people that are not ready for entry into a mindbending, physically taxing arena

I have read 1 account of people using trachelospermum jasminoide plant parts, (available as a chinese medicinal) as a way to slowly ween off of opiates, purportedly using the small amount of ibogaine presumably present in the plant for a building of resistance to opiate withdrawl symptoms over time.

another species of plant, tabernaemontana crassa (t. africana) supposedly can contain larger amounts of ibogaine and ibogaine like compounds, and might present another potential candidate for "low dose ibogaine therapy"

both the above species could be quite toxic, much as the iboga plant, the jasmine bush listed about contains a compound that I cannot remember the name of that can cause respitory depression.

shaman astraulis has some alkaloid information on the plant tabernaemontana divaricata. this plant contains some coronaridine type compounds especially in the root bark. 18 methoxy coronaridine is a synthetic compound that is known for non psychedelic (supposedly) anti addictive attributes.
I look at the ethnobotanical review of this plant, and see that the root bark and/or leaves are used for pain or diarrhea relief.
perhaps coronaridine and analogs are responsible for an opioid effect, perhaps this plant might be a useful tool for detox/reduction of tolerance.
I obtained roots of this plant, and chewed them one night to test for any bad reactions. none noted, the roots are sweet, and aromatic, and reather pleasent. sedative effects are reported as the major effect in one report, and I think I felt much the same thing from 7-8 inches of root consumed. (small roots!) I pretty much crashed out after eating that material.

I have a couple of tabernaemontana holstii plants growing in my study, they flower incredible stargazer type of smelling flowers. I had the leaves tested and they compared with the medicinal species taberneamontana pachysiphon plant in alkaloid content.
I was interested in t. pachysipon due to alkaloid content that is reportedly opioid agonist/antagonist, I even bought some leaf material, and was told it was quite toxic. I consumed easy 40 grams of leaf over a period of time and noticed little, and literally no toxic effects.
later I obtained some purified alkaloid from the species and still have most of it. really it compares to picralima nitida alkaloid content, one or two of the same compounds exist in these two species, p. nitida, and t. pachysiphon.
picralima nitida can cause some mild stimulation, and I am told pain relief. I took a good amount of p. nitida seed material, and later alkaloid material when skipping my nightly opiate dose, and waited to see if it would support not taking my nightly dose. no deal, it didnt seem to help really, but did seem to keep me up very late, and I noticed some definite dizzyness.
I feel like I was really just in the threshhold of it taking a more pronounced effect, but I took my nightly dose of opiates anyway.

is this all just random, hopefully niave, meaningless babble.?
partly yes.

ha ha.

it would be far more interesting to just work with t. iboga. but we all know my situation, USA bound.
so maybe one day I will commit to testing out some more on the above species.
I think the T jasminoides plant, and the T. divaricata plant , and T. crassa all hold possibility for use in a controlled, drawn out opiate detox/or tolerance augmentation process.
it would have to be someone informed, and explorative, and in touch with processing herb materials themselves.
and they might need a quite large amount of biomass to accomplish this.
the t. jasminoide material is quite available, though I havnt seen 5x or stronger extracts of it avialable for the most part. at least affordable material meant for consumption. maybe this is due to an amount of ibogaine reported in the plant? the roots of this plant can be purchased from some chinese medicinal outfits.

[nick]

http://www.freedomroot.com If the link doesn't work just google ibogaine freedomroot.They're good people who do a lot of undergound ibogaine treatments in the US.
I don't know about prices,but they're the real deal.

"Happy" detox.

[domiow]

Cost of treatment in London was £600 that's $1,200 give or take and no guarentees.Fuck it,saved the bread and took a lot of acid instead.Probably not my wisest move.

Was wondering could you give any info as to where in London is doing treatment at £600, the only UK provider i have found is £1200

[insuffilation station]

I tried ibogaine about 4-5 years ago when it was somewhat of a new thing and found this dude who dosed me for about $1000 bucks. I say around because my family worked out the price, which was kind of wierd to hear my dad say "Hey man, you got the stuff?" Anyways the dude who dosed me had a money back guarantee deal where if you relapsed he would dose you again for "free". I had to send him $150 bucks for shipping.
I have to say that it wasnt a pleasant experience. I was so sick that I puked the whole first 12 hours. But it will seriously knock your dick in the dirt. I've eaten a ton of acid back in the days on tour with the Dead, but this shit is REALLY heavy. I'm not sure if the dude gave me too much - he said he did it according to body weight - but I was shitfaced for over 2.5 days. I'm not exaggerating either. But the main draw to it for me was that this dude claimed that it would take away withdrawals and youd come out of it with your brain receptors reset....sounds great right. But I was still dopesick, but just tripping my ass off. And it was really wierd to be tripping while my dad was taking care of me in some hotel room.
what it comes down to is there is no quick fix for me. A week later I was strung out. It may have been that the dude who dosed me didnt have his shit together - I'll concede that. And that is one reason I have told my friends not to try it...its totally underground and not done by a professional. Atleast it wasnt in my case. It was some short dude with a tie dye shirt and a fanny pack who came in dosed me and split. Came back in 3 days to check on us.

[jacky]

go to canada or mexico and buy it from ethnogarden and take it slow....small doses, give yourself a week for recovery.....
and maybe consume iboga rootpowder, perhaps there is something more to the experience than just isolated ibogaine...?

what I am more interested in is ibogaines opiate potentiation quality, and seeing if it can help a person slowly ween off of opiates by using iboga powder as a supplement.

research research, read everything you can about ibogaine before taking it would be my advice.

I have taken small doses of the alkaloid from other plant preperations other than tabernanthe and felt some slight stimulation.

I hope to explore the plant in the future, but I am not going to pay a clinic a shitload of money, a hotel room and a package ordered from the right company is all I need.
I also have a contact in mexico that will sell pure ibogaine for under 1000$.

[nikita70]

I think its shit-worth(like always please be indulgend for my english) if someone says to you at the beginning:" it's guaranteed". No one should say like this in this terms. Even indian-witchman(shaman?).
And he sure wouldn't to say like that.

I think its of course possible that ibogaina could help to get out of drugs or rather change your mind&life in generall-(it sounds better and makes more sense), but its one of this things that are never guaranteed.

If you conscious enough you might probably as well to do that with the mushrooms help or so.

Anyway I would like to travel to Mexico and meet some REALL WITCHMAN=WISE MAN(call it how you want) who would to lead me, and try. I can't even imagine myself such an experience without any wise "leader". It must be even dangerous for your mind and probably body also.
I would like to try it with ibogaina, or psilocybine, or mescaline or something another. No matter what. No acid sure. Natural stuff only.

[nick]

Was wondering could you give any info as to where in London is doing treatment at £600, the only UK provider i have found is £1200


So sorry,I ony just saw your post.E mail and I'll give you the details.

I can't do this on an open board......it's illegal and underground.

[nick]

I tried ibogaine about 4-5 years ago when it was somewhat of a new thing and found this dude who dosed me for about $1000 bucks. I say around because my family worked out the price, which was kind of wierd to hear my dad say "Hey man, you got the stuff?" Anyways the dude who dosed me had a money back guarantee deal where if you relapsed he would dose you again for "free". I had to send him $150 bucks for shipping.
I have to say that it wasnt a pleasant experience. I was so sick that I puked the whole first 12 hours. But it will seriously knock your dick in the dirt. I've eaten a ton of acid back in the days on tour with the Dead, but this shit is REALLY heavy. I'm not sure if the dude gave me too much - he said he did it according to body weight - but I was shitfaced for over 2.5 days. I'm not exaggerating either. But the main draw to it for me was that this dude claimed that it would take away withdrawals and youd come out of it with your brain receptors reset....sounds great right. But I was still dopesick, but just tripping my ass off. And it was really wierd to be tripping while my dad was taking care of me in some hotel room.
what it comes down to is there is no quick fix for me. A week later I was strung out. It may have been that the dude who dosed me didnt have his shit together - I'll concede that. And that is one reason I have told my friends not to try it...its totally underground and not done by a professional. Atleast it wasnt in my case. It was some short dude with a tie dye shirt and a fanny pack who came in dosed me and split. Came back in 3 days to check on us.

Man,this is terrible.They're supposed to stay with you and react to your symptoms.

[80oranges]

I am going to mexico next week for ibogaine detox..... I'm kind of nervous, there are a lot of mixed feeling throughout the community on ibogaine. Anybody actually get this procedure done by a "real clinic", with "real doctors"?

[jacky]

well 80 oranges, good luck with your detox!!

if you have access to a computer during the next few weeks, let us know what is going on.
it could prove an interesting read.

[Boxcar]

im curious the link, in regards to Ibogaine, did you write that page, or did you create the site yerself. im asking only because it goes into so much detail, i learned alot about something ui had never even heard of before. if indeed that was all writtin by you, i would one, like to thank you and secondly, commend you on a such a thorough and well written mountain of info.

once again, many thanks for the amount of time you dedicated to providing us with information on somethin could help so many.
i have a couple questions, i did read the complete link, maybe i missed it.

i was curious, is this unsafe to do in an uncontrolled setting. say if i hypothetically aquired the Ibo. would it be safe to do at home?
im only 2 hours from the CA/MEXICO border. i have no way to afford the treatment. i wouldnt want to do something unsafe. i have children, i wouldnt want them to see or witness me acting out in an abnormal manner.
if it were safe to do in such an enviroment, is there any other way of accessing the Ibo. other than the places listed? say mail order, or street, i did see they will ship to a po box. but from what i can tell, its not legal here in US, so i would assume there is no way aquire it.
im hope im not asking lame ass questions, but this has subject/product has really caught my attention, and seems to be somthin i would really like to try. i am a CP patient, i live with a great deal of pain, the meds enabled me to live a normal life again. but as years went by and tolerence grew, the meds become priority. i accept the fact that i will have to be taking meds the rest of my life. with that said, is this treatment something that could help with lowering onesintake of opiates. as oppossed to detoxing to get off of the drugs entirely?

sorry fer the long post, but im really interested and will be really studying and looking into this in great detail. im glad to see the subject here, im also glad to see Brian moderating it. you seem to be very well informed so please dont be feel annoyed or pestered if i seem to keep asking questions. this could be a huge life changer for alotta people.

thanks once again for this thread.

[Boxcar]

i feel really stupid now, i just looked at the original date of this thread. sorry about the post i just left. i understand if the questions are not able to be answered


mods, feel free to delete, i apologize for not paying attention

[80oranges]

I'll let you guys know, I should be leaving tommarow provided my passport comes in the mail. I'm going to the one in mexico ibogaine.net if you guys want to check it out(Dr. Mash's clinic). I'll check in if I have access to a computer and if not I will when I get back.

[norseman]

I'll let you guys know, I should be leaving tommarow provided my passport comes in the mail. I'm going to the one in mexico ibogaine.net if you guys want to check it out(Dr. Mash's clinic). I'll check in if I have access to a computer and if not I will when I get back.

Good Luck, I hope you find what your looking for.

[underide]

still pretty detemined to give Ibo treatment ago - March -april (hopefully)

have a few contacts from over here who were pretty happy to share their experince's and -so far so good

i'm very hopeful about it, actually (not my usual 'hopeful' kinda type of personality trait, btw), but after the process of educating myself on it rather extensively, might i add) - i am defeniely more eager than ever to actually go for it

have spoken to a doctor (surgeon's licence an all - so not quite the 'clandestine type of way that it's usually done

[80oranges]

I know this is a couple of months after my ibogaine treatment, but i just want to let you all know how i made out.

It was unbelievable- craziest nightmare trip ever for the first 8 hours of the treatment. After that it kind of just makes you sit there and think about life(very intense) for the next 14 hours. Basically pushed a reset button on my brain and made me figure out what is really important in life. It's been almost two months and i've gotton my life back on track.

There were no withdrawal symptoms after the treatment.

To be honest with you; when i went down to mexico i had no intention of quitting opiates. Ibogaine really changed me and I couldn't be happier. Anyone who is considering trying it, I would bet my life on it. My treatment was expensive, it was the one doctor Mash set up in cancun. If your considering doing it, make sure your getting the real stuff otherwise it will just frustrate you.

[EleusisII]

Wait, wait, wait... Did somebody say "opiate potentiation"?!?
At what dosages?

[OxyContinuously]

you can buy powdered "tabernathe iboga" bark online for much less than 1200 pounds

[king]

Can you tell me how ibogaine works for long term methadone patients. I'vebeen on for 13 yrs. and I'm interested in trying it once.

[underide]

Can you tell me how ibogaine works for long term methadone patients. I'vebeen on for 13 yrs. and I'm interested in trying it once.

well, if you're willing to wait a few months i'll tell you my own personal experience (medical setting an' all ;))
seriously though - Ibogaine is an absolutely amazing compound in my opinion and judging from ny research as well as talks (face to face) with a few folks who went through with it, including Ibogaine providers themselves - some of mhom are Md's - i.e fully liscenced doctors/surgeons themselves, who are now very avid Ibogaine advocates

Looks like its mid/end of Summer that i'm going through with y own treatment...
Possibly sooner

My raging Benzo habit is a major road block, and initially it was planned that i would have been going through the Ibo treatment mid April/May this year

Still very determined though