Quantity of water in shot

[applesauce]

Hi,

I am just wondering if anybody has any advice about how much water to use with an Abbott K8?

I have lately been using 29g 1/2cc insulin syringes, and they just don't hold much, but they are nice and smooth on my arms and the small physical size of the syringe makes it easy to hit myself.

I've been using one of these (50 units almost) and I typically use half of a pill, 4mg. I just don't have nearly enough experience to get the most out of what I'm doing.

Is 50 units of water sufficient to dissolve the majority of the pill, or should I just use a 1cc point and more water? When I was IVing speed, I always tried to find a nice mix of water and powder. Less water makes the shot a little easier to do but the waste material that doesn't get into your arm is more concentrated, so it is less cost-effective. I'm more worried about comfort and safety than getting every last microgram of hydromorph, but I don't want to be wasting a significant amount of my shot, either.

I'm thinking about this because I have been using half a K8 per shot, and that SHOULD be nearly knocking me down (low opiate tolerance) and although the rush is very nice, sometimes it is stronger than other times, and I'm wondering if it relates to the water I'm using getting saturated and a lot of good dope is staying in the spoon.

I really appreciate any thoughts or advice.

[sk8opium]

Hey man...

I dont really know much about how much dope would be wasted by using more water but i wouldn't think it would waste much.

however, one thing I do feel I should point out is that the more water you use, the better it is on your veins. Veins can be saved by using more water. I'm sure you know this, but just a reminder(= I havent shot anything in 1 year and 14 days, but if i was going to, i'd use a bit more water.

If you have a hard time getting needles that hold more liquid, let me know. I am the king of buying syringes without a script.

Peace out...hope you get nice and fucked up...safely.

[applesauce]

I'm thinking that using more water wastes *less* dope, because if the concentration of water is say 4mg per 50 units and I waste say 5 units, there is more dope lost than if I was using 4mg per 100 units of water. So more water saves dope.

I appreciate your offer regarding helping me to locate points, but I am pretty good at getting things online myself. I've got 1cc 27.5g insulin needles and several larger gauge for IM injections. I'd never used 1/2cc before, I just wanted to try them because they are easier to handle, and although I'm not a klutz, my dexterity could stand a couple extra points.

Thanks mucho for the reply and the sound advice.

[sk8opium]

I appreciate your offer regarding helping me to locate points, but I am pretty good at getting things online myself.

Thanks mucho for the reply and the sound advice.


No worries.. yeah, on line is the best. Unless you live with people who get sketched out when you get boxes of needles! ;)

Take it easy man!

[Coddfish]

where i live, you can buy boxes of points, no questions. i guess that's on egood thing about this fucked up state.

Apple, how is it you waste 5 units per shot?

[applesauce]

I'm just thinking of liquid in the barrel and needle etc that remains.

What I'm doing now works fine - so fine that I'm going to stop even trying to post for the next few hours, this one has taken WAY too long. I started typingh tje

[Narkotikon]

I'm partial to BD's 1cc Ultra-Fine II 31 guage 5/8in. insulin syringes. They hold enough water and you are able to get a really nice shot. Before that I used the typical 1cc 28s, and they hurt and I often missed because I have small girly veins. These 31's are like a dream though. They really don't even hurt at all, and I can get the tiniest veins in the wrists / feet with them easily.

Edit: I ordered mine online, and they came in two days for a very reasonable price. You could try going to a pharmacy and getting them if your area permitts, but they might have to order them, as 28's and 29's are more common.

[applesauce]

I'm not worried at all about getting syringes or anything of the sort, my question is basically "how much water should it take to dissolve a K4 or K8 for maximum efficiency?

[Dolophine]

IT NEVER HURTS TO ADD MORE WATER! Water is a good thing to add to a shot. The more water you have, the easier it is on your veins. The less water you have, the more damage it does to your veins. Buy whatever syringes can give you the most space to add water. Don't buy huge ones, but you can buy a 1.5 cc or 1 cc and put half a K8 in it and shake it up and it will dissolve nicely and wait till it's totally dissolved and then shoot it or you can filter it and prepare it any way you like to be safer I guess.

Water is good. It soothes the veins.

[applesauce]

Thanks for the good advice, I really didn't know that. It makes perfect sense, it is just that sometimes I think in the short-term, and it is easier to use less water. Not so much easier I guess, its just that I'm not much a fan of doing IV, it is just a means to an end. I've always tried to use as little water as possible in order to make the shot smaller.

Naturally that goes out the window when the pile on the album cover starts getting smaller and I can feel that the jones is right around the corner (with coke). That's when I use more water to get every little bit out of whatever powder I have left, scroo what I shovel in there.

I haven't shot coke in years, and I only shoot narcotics occasionally, and the needle isn't just because of the bang-for-buck factor, but because it FLINGS me into that womb instead of letting the womb creep up on me. Pardon my lack of parlance, but you know what I mean. :) No oral or snorted quantity will give me that feeling, otherwise I'd pay the extra money and do it that way. When possible, I use the IM route (for things packaged in multi-use vials and ampules, no "street shit").

More water = savings in drugs and also greater long-term safety. I'm thinking that together, those two things add up to it being worth overlooking my minor distaste for doing bigger shots.

The smallest points I have right now are Monoject 29g 1/2cc. I should probably be using the 1cc 27.5g though. I have them down to much bigger than I'd ever jab myself with, but they are for use with wheel filters, I would be terrified to poke myself with one of those - hell, I'd be scared to plug dope with a needleless one, it'd hurt!

If a poll were to be taken, how much water would the average opiophile use with 4mg Dilaudid ?

[sk8opium]

Thanks for the good advice, I really didn't know that. It makes perfect sense, it is just that sometimes I think in the short-term, and it is easier to use less water. Not so much easier I guess, its just that I'm not much a fan of doing IV, it is just a means to an end. I've always tried to use as little water as possible in order to make the shot smaller.

Naturally that goes out the window when the pile on the album cover starts getting smaller and I can feel that the jones is right around the corner (with coke). That's when I use more water to get every little bit out of whatever powder I have left, scroo what I shovel in there.

I haven't shot coke in years, and I only shoot narcotics occasionally, and the needle isn't just because of the bang-for-buck factor, but because it FLINGS me into that womb instead of letting the womb creep up on me. Pardon my lack of parlance, but you know what I mean. :) No oral or snorted quantity will give me that feeling, otherwise I'd pay the extra money and do it that way. When possible, I use the IM route (for things packaged in multi-use vials and ampules, no "street shit").

More water = savings in drugs and also greater long-term safety. I'm thinking that together, those two things add up to it being worth overlooking my minor distaste for doing bigger shots.

The smallest points I have right now are Monoject 29g 1/2cc. I should probably be using the 1cc 27.5g though. I have them down to much bigger than I'd ever jab myself with, but they are for use with wheel filters, I would be terrified to poke myself with one of those - hell, I'd be scared to plug dope with a needleless one, it'd hurt!

If a poll were to be taken, how much water would the average opiophile use with 4mg Dilaudid ?
dont know...dont shoot anymore...didn't really pay attention...just used enough.

Just wanted to say after reading a lot of your posts you gotta be the most polite well spoken junkie around these parts.

Yet i must say..."fuck L ron hubbard and fuck all his clones... Fuck all these junkies and fuck your short memories" hehe...couldn't resist.

[applesauce]

LOL Thanks. I don't think of myself as a junkie because that word generally refers to opiate user in particular, I have more of a compulsion to be out of my head in one way or another. Opiates are THE drugs for tinkering around with sleep and consciousness, they let you relax in a way that regular sleep can't. SWIM typically use a K8 (in two shots about an hour apart) once a weekend, or IV M once or twice on another weekend, but SWIMs only daily DOC is herb. The weekends always have time for opiates and some kind of psychedelic.

I guess that in the lingo, I'm a "chipper"? Hey why not, I love labels.

I like the Tool quote, that song was a fun little surprise at the end of the disc. Fond memories of noticing it one night.

:)

[pinion]

Yet i must say..."fuck L ron hubbard and fuck all his clones... Fuck all these junkies and fuck your short memories" hehe...couldn't resist.


I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit, three ring, circus side show of freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA, the only way to fix it is to flush it all away; any fucking time, any fucking day, learn to swim, see you down in Arizona Bay...

...Learn to swim...


Aenima is an amazing album..

Oh, and I used to use about 50-70 units on a k4 but I'm not really one for measuring water, which usually means I use more than I need to..

[applesauce]

Cool thanks, then SWIM is doing it about right, or at least not too bad. His cottons still taste bitter and "mediciny" so SWIM swallows them. The taste shows there is good stuff in there, but it isn't particularly strong tasting, so he is probably getting the lions share of it.

If more is safer though, I'll do it. SWIM could get used to the feeling of these little 1/2cc rigs though, they're really easy to manipulate. I have pretty good veins though and I'm not too hard to hit, except when it was coke and I've been at it all night and into the next day, trying hard to find just the right size hit that'll make me almost puke, and let him hear those helicopters nice and loud.

Actually shit, I miss coke. I can't do it now for my own personal reasons (I know that I can't control it so i don't go near it) but it sure as shit does feel good. SWIM likes meth even more, but crystal causes hallucinations that SWIM really can't distinguish from reality, stuff much more vivid than any hallucinogen.

[Beaker]

I agree with the using a lot of water method. I always use 90-95 units of a 1cc syringe because it is easier on your veins and less wasteful of drugs.

[Narkotikon]

Yeah, I don't mind using a lot of water with pills. I mean, it doesn't really make that much of a difference to me. I know a lot of people use less with H, but I like to use more with H just for the safety factor. I use more water, then shoot half, then wait a few seconds, then proceed with the rest if I'm not where I want to be. Same with pills really, but moreso with H because I know exactly what I'm doing with pills. But yeah, pills usually take more water anyway because of all the filler and shit.

[youwonhundred]

Just my two cents.. Probably aint worth that at the moment, but I generally use about 50 units on a k4, and have never had the luck of coming across an 8, but i would imagine about 80 would do the trick..

*please note the preceding information is subject to change, if i come across any at my next doctor visit*

LOL

yeah, i also have crappy veins, so the less water I have to worry about getting in, the better.

[applesauce]

I just did a 30mg IR M in three shots, 1/2cc rigs each about 80% full. I hate doing multiple shots. I know that a lot of people just enjoy using the needle and that is fine, but to me it is a means to an end, and I'd rather do one big one and get it over with.

This worked out well though - nice syringe-filtered water, it went in smooth (29g 1/2" needle, really small compared to what I am used to) and it let me adjust the dosage easily (I had never used this brand IV before).

Thanks to all for the advice - this site kicks ass on so many levels, harm reduction being only one.

[Narkotikon]

This worked out well though - nice syringe-filtered water, it went in smooth (29g 1/2" needle, really small compared to what I am used to) and it let me adjust the dosage easily (I had never used this brand IV before).


What guage are you used to? Have you tried the 31's?

[applesauce]

For IV I had been using 27.5g 1cc, but I recently picked up a box of 1/2cc 29g syringes.

I haven't tried anything smaller than a 29g. Do they make a big difference? I will try them if so.

I have a friend who says 25-26 is perfect for IV because he says he can feel the point in the vein better and he feels more confident that the needle hasn't poked through the other side of the vein. Personally I've never had a problem with that happening, I've done a good many shots and I've missed only a few, in fact none that I can remember (but I am SURE I have). I used to have the fucking Alaskan Pipelines in my left arm, but age and possibly dope have made them more like mere Texan pipelines.

30mg M and I'm high as shit. Usually I don't get off this good on that little, so I'm a happy guy. :)