First time shooting dope Q...

[insaneike]

OK, I would never even contemplate shooting dope, but this is about SWIM who may or may not have, but it's just the idea of knowing he/she is curious about :rolleyes: heh.

:p


Well someone has two friends, well had two friends, who shot daily, be it dope or pills... so someone knows how to prepare, hit veins, ect. Someone has even been shot up before by an ex(someone didn't prepare/shoot himself btw) so my only real concern or Q here is dosage...

The recent batch someone has been using(smoking and sniff combined) is some bit diff than the previous batches. It's much more potent and just 'different'. This leads SWIM to believe he could of gotten a hold of some of the famous east-coast fent laced dope...? Cause when sniffed it doesn't burn HALF as bad as the usual shit does. and to me purish dope will BURN. Yet this stuff is kind of stronger or equally as strong but is easy to sniff... it burns(on foil) and leaves the same residue too btw, but it takes WAY less to get off on and it has a 'feeling' to it that just different. I can't explain it but some of u may know what I mean here... it's just 'something' different to it, the same high basically but ya... like someone usually does about 1 - 1-1/2 stamps of the usual dope, but this shit only requires about 2/3 a bag and only half a bag sometimes! Shit is KILL, and the duration isn't a minute shorter than usual either... all the same basically...

SOOO, what you lil humble opiated ppl suggest as a first time shooting dose of this dope be(the only illicit IVs someone has had was a 30mg morph shot and a teener of coke shot before, both times prepared and shot by a friends into SWIMs forearm)? and should someone cut back on his Roxicodone and 'done usage when doing this?(using around 30-90mg roxi and around 20-60mg done and a single stamp to 1.5 stamps of dope a day)... and I rlly want an answer despite this be a bad descision or not cause would you rather someone try and dose himself who has no clue or... yeah lol. and right now it's not possible to have someones friends help him out, as they've gone ape shit for nothing...


and ppl only read this last part if you're bored or might give a shit about something about someone lol. As it doesn't really relate to the Q, just the reason why someone needs this...
Yeah, I was the one who said many a times on here that I'd never even think of mainlining shit, let alone dope. Just well, this is literally the last resort thing here kinda. and someone always said to hell with shooting cause he KNOWS it would get outta hand but believe me, if you was in my shoes right now you would do ANYTHING to get some relief from life's BS... as smoking/sniffing isn't working THAT good at the moment, it does but it doesn't dull the world around enough as it needs to right now y'know? No, theres no one to talk to about shit or nothing right now so... as someones friends have decided to say 'go to hell' outta no where, pfft, fuckers!

[flipside]

Ike, I am kinda stunned. I really don't quite know what to say at this moment. I'm not sure I am reading you correctly, but if I am..if you are dead set on doing this nothing I or anyone else can say will probabaly deter you...but

If you think you need an escape and that life is hopeless now... once you make that jump and you've already said u know how crazy it will get if your do. Well this is a major turniing point. You are at a crossroads, turn the wrong way and there may be no turning back. I do not doubt for one miniute the amount of pain you are in or your need for escape..but this is a huge decision. Once it's done there is no going back to undo it. Please think about this a little longer.

As will I and I will get back to you. Hopefully some more peeps are aound and will chime in as well. PM me if you would like. I know you said you have no one to talk to there, but we are here for you and want to help...really

[alowishus]

What's up ike, wellthe advice I'd give would be,
a) don't be high from other stuff (roxi, etc) that could only add the the fuck-up factor, being the 1st time.
b) I would start w/ like a 1/32 or 1/16 of your normal smoke or sniff, you say it's more potent and could be the fent stuff hell I might even go lower then that. Do you want to get high and be able to do it again or do you want to kill yourself?
c) don't be alone, if something does happen, your taken the dirt nap.

That's it.
I don't think, no I KNOW no one can tell you your dose, all anyone can safely say is start small, most of the death from OD are of peeps shooting new dope that they don't know the strength of or of peeps that have been clean and shoot their old dose.

I know you know to be careful, all the luck in the world to you mate.

[moviebuff927]

Alowishus is right...no one can tell you the dose you need, the best advice is to start small. It's a really good thing you know the stuff you have right now is stronger than normal, or different as you put it. Most people wouldn't go that far as to test it before they shoot so you're on the right track if you're going to do it. I'm saying all of this as if you are hell-bent on starting to shoot. I'm not advocating IV use but if you're going to do it, I want you to do it right and not have bad information.

This is totally up to you so I'm not nor should anyone else preach to you. It's your body, you have the right to do what you want.

I was a little surprised to hear that SWIM is considering IVing. But again, it's your choice.

Best of luck

-moviebuff

[flipside]

Ike Alowish gave you some pretty good advice there. I just want to add that aside from being off all that other stuff. Def. do not take benzo's if your gonna IV for the first time. Esp with the way you've been using them you can bet there is enough still in your system to interact with the dope.

Whatever you do,start really small... . don't be alone where you cannot get help if u need it
and please come back and post so we know you are okay.

[nick]

I don't think it's a good idea man,but if you go for it be safe.Remember two in the arm is better than one in the ground.Please take care.

[greenfox]

Ike, I am kinda stunned. I really don't quite know what to say at this moment. I'm not sure I am reading you correctly, but if I am..if you are dead set on doing this nothing I or anyone else can say will probabaly deter you...but

If you think you need an escape and that life is hopeless now... once you make that jump and you've already said u know how crazy it will get if your do. Well this is a major turniing point. You are at a crossroads, turn the wrong way and there may be no turning back. I do not doubt for one miniute the amount of pain you are in or your need for escape..but this is a huge decision. Once it's done there is no going back to undo it. Please think about this a little longer.

As will I and I will get back to you. Hopefully some more peeps are aound and will chime in as well. PM me if you would like. I know you said you have no one to talk to there, but we are here for you and want to help...really


flip's right. once you mainline, there IS no turning back.

hand of doom comes to mind...

What you gonna do? Time's caught up with you
Now you wait your turn, you know there's no return
Take your written rules, you join the other fools
Turn to something new, now it's killing you

First it was the bomb, Vietnam napalm
Disillusioning, you push the needle in
From life you escape, reality's that way
Colours in your mind satisfy your time

Oh you, you know you must be blind
To do something like this
To take the sleep that you don't know
You're giving Death a kiss,
Oh, little fool now

Your mind is full of pleasure
Your body's looking ill
To you it's shallow leisure
So drop the acid pill, don't stop to think now

You're having a good time baby
But that won't last
Your mind's all full of things
You're living too fast
go out enjoy yourself
Don't bottle it in
You need someone to help you
To stick the needle in, yeah

Now you know the scene, your skin starts turning green
Your eyes no longer seeing life's reality
Push the needle in, face death's sickly grin
Holes are in your skin, caused by deadly pin

Head starts spinning 'round, you fall down to the ground
Feel your body heave, Death's hands starts to weave
It's too late to turn, you don't want to learn
Price of life lived high, now you're gonna die!

[Papa Verine]

Acquire a shot of Narcan and keep it handy. I don't know where you are but here, they give them out at the needle exchange.

[greenfox]

Acquire a shot of Narcan and keep it handy. I don't know where you are but here, they give them out at the needle exchange.

good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcan

too bad they don't give `em out everywhere.

[Chipper]

Don't forget to "tap" your dose in -- have a little (say a 1/4), wait a minute, then repeat until stoned.

The best advice is to have a sitter or anyone who could assist you if you o/d.

Enjoy!

[Duckfeet]

OK, I would never even contemplate shooting dope, but this is about SWIM who may or may not have, but it's just the idea of knowing he/she is curious about :rolleyes: heh.

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as smoking/sniffing isn't working THAT good at the moment, it does but it doesn't dull the world around enough as it needs to right now y'know? No, theres no one to talk to about shit or nothing right now so... as someones friends have decided to say 'go to hell' outta no where, pfft, fuckers!

If you--or somebody--is really going to fix, u need to get someone to do it for u first time. It won't be hard to find somebody: just share the dope. Sick junky do anything for a fix.

If u r bound and determined to do this, nothing anybody says will change your mind.

If u r still wavering about doing it, know that when u go down this path, eventually all the romance and dark tragedy of it will be gone. You will get years of being bad sick, probably get at least HepC, or worse HIV, veins will all be gone, destroys everything, everybody u love, u end up usually just old drunk--William Burroughs said that, in Rolling Stone interview, and IMO it is correct--drinking white port after years in prison, young junkies will scorn u, nobody will care *why* u started. And for every tragic artist who self-destructs in blaze of glory, there are millions more wannabe bad poets and crappy songwriters sitting around staring thru the blinds wondering what happened to their lives.

[greenfox]

If you--or somebody--is really going to fix, u need to get someone to do it for u first time. It won't be hard to find somebody: just share the dope. Sick junky do anything for a fix.

If u r bound and determined to do this, nothing anybody says will change your mind.

If u r still wavering about doing it, know that when u go down this path, eventually all the romance and dark tragedy of it will be gone. You will get years of being bad sick, probably get at least HepC, or worse HIV, veins will all be gone, destroys everything, everybody u love, u end up usually just old drunk--William Burroughs said that, in Rolling Stone interview, and IMO it is correct--drinking white port after years in prison, young junkies will scorn u, nobody will care *why* u started. And for every tragic artist who self-destructs in blaze of glory, there are millions more wannabe bad poets and crappy songwriters sitting around staring thru the blinds wondering what happened to their lives.

wow wenever I think that I can't say it better, Duck does. You'll have that, I guess. experience yields better judgement. junk - sick is definately the worst.. I don't know how else to put it than to say that if you take the road, be prepared for the sickness. It will come; it's as inevitable as apple pie. Otherwise... ::shrugs:: such is life.

[Matul]

The two best pieces of advice I would give to a first time shooter would be..

A: do NOT shoot dope ALONE

B: push the plunger down until only 1/2 of your shot is 'in'....wait a minute...then push in the other 1/2 shot, just to be safe!

The very 1st time I shot dope, I can remember playing my PC shortly after the shot, but after that, I awoke with a jump from my couch (no idea when or how I got to the couch)....total black-out.


dude, be careful!!

L8R

[Duckfeet]

My first fixing was coke...*there's* a highway...whoooeee!

[insaneike]

Yeah, I'm aware of the consequences of starting down this horrible road, but at this point in my life, well, theres not much else to make me happy ya know... I just can't EVEN start to elaborate how shit is right now... but I know some of you are having it just as bad from the other thread...


and right now, theres no one thats gonna be able to be a 'sitter' tonight... so... and well, this is LITERALLY the last resort kind of route for dealing with shit for someone.I always felt that if i ever shot it WOULD get out of hand and it would be the end of me or however u wanna word it... but meh it's not me it's hypothetically someone lol, it's the best option someone has got so.. a first timer shooting with no sitter would be OK tho, right? :|

let someone see if the syringes are still available tho, someone might report back. Someone still isn't sure tho, but theres just not rlly any other options(literally...).

[RoadHead]

hey ike--as down as you seem to be right now, shooting is NOT going to make you "happy"!

if you really want to shoot and have no sitter tonite, WAIT!! the dope ain't going nowhere, least where you couldn't do it later.

go take a walk, go to the bar, go do anything to take your mind off of the shit bugging you right now. you can always do it later, when it is safer, or when your mind is a bit more settled.

just think about it, dream about, imagine it, then DON'T do it. you can always so it later if you still want to. right now it sounds more like you are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

good luck in fighting the demons you are battling with right now. just don't let an even worse demon get the best of you now.

just keep talking so you are too busy to fire up now.

[Dolophine]

Don't do it. It's not a good idea! You even said the dope was probably a Diamorphine/Fentanyl blend. I've read a lot of stories about people O.D'ing on this laced dope that contains Fentanyl and heroin and possibly cocaine as well. If you are going to start shooting, use the regular non potent stuff. If you are new to this it's probably not the greatest idea. I wouldn't even do it because of all the stories I hear about people dying from Fentanyl laced dope. If you are going to do it, ONLY USE A SMALL AMOUNT TO TEST THE STRENGTH SO YOU DON'T END UP ENDING YOUR FUCKING LIFE.

As I said, do a small tester to find out how strong it will be. Do a little taste. Fill up the syringe with a shot and inject a TINY amount to see what happens. Keep trying tiny amounts until you get high so you know how much you need to get high without ending up in a body bag. ALSO, PREPARE TO BECOME ADDICTED TO THE NEEDLE AND THE PROCESS OF COOKING UP YOUR DOPE AND SHOOTING IT. ONCE YOU START DOWN THAT ROAD IT'S HARD GO BACK TO ORAL USE BECAUSE THE SENSATION OF THE NEEDLE FEELS SO GOOD AND THE INJECTION FEELS EVEN BETTER. YOU BECOME ADDICTED TO THE NEEDLE AS MUCH AS THE DOPE.

If you are going to do this. I suggest you make it a one time deal. And you be very careful. If you're going to do this, set a rule that you will not do it again for at least 6 months. If you have to, just give yourself 3 days a year that you shoot or something. Maybe on your b-day or something. Just make sure you have the willpower to control yourself. It's very hard. Tell yourself that after this there is no more. And destroy the needle. So you don't have easy access to needles. Good luck. I know you know about all this. You aren't a dumb ass. Also don't use a needle more than 3 times. If you do the needle gets a little warped tip on it and it literally slices your veins it's almost like a little hook. I'd show you a picture but I can't remember where I saw it. Use new needles always! Good luck. Take it slow at first to judge the strength so you don't die on us! Take care LOOK AT SOME PORN AND JERK IT OR SOMETHING. lol Get your mind off the shitty stuff in your life and just try to give yourself some pleasure. Eat some good food that will satisfy you and smoke a cigarette or find a woman/man to have your way with or research something interesting on the internet! Look up things that interest you! You seem smart, occupy yourself with anything. Just don't shoot it unless it's gonnabe once only for sure. Shooting makes you feel even lower. It makes you feel like a hard core junkie loser. Or at least that's how i think it feels. It would make me feel like a lowlife. I don't mind if other people do it and i don't hold it against them or think i'm better than them. But for me it makes me feel like a failure and would make me feel even more lousy.

[insaneike]

Thats exactly why someone never shot before, cause I kinda know it will just go down hill... but hey, if it dulls emotions and puts me in another 'happy' state by all means, blah. I rlly don't know what else to do tho folks! Beleive me, I've tried everything else I can, this is literaly the last resort kinda thing here! There is absolutely no one to be with and talk right now like there was about 2monthss ago, as this girl I used to mess with(has a kid or i woulda for sure took her...) is now living with and married to this other dude, and me going over and trying to talk to her like I used to with him there... heh, I'd rather not, as I just couldn't ya know? and all my other friends kinda dont want shit to do with me cause this one friend(cuase i wouldn't sell him pills that i DIDNT HAVE! all cause i helped other ppl, karma is such BS lol) apperently filled them with BS... so yeah, kinda in a hole here.

Someone will see how tonight goes, but a GOOD sitter is gonna be a big prob...

meh, i done got all the info I need and now just complaining lol, so I guess someone got their hypothetical answers, thx fellow opiophiles!

[alowishus]

Ya know I gotta say, enough of the "don't run in the hallway" posts. He's thought about it, weighed it all out, and wants to do it, we're all able to make our own choices in life. be helpful not finger waggers FFS.

[Dolophine]

fuck go to University and get a PHD or something lol. That's what I suggest for everyone here who hasn't done it. I'm planning to go soon. I'm going to be a fucking doctor. You should too! Be a psychologist or something. Start going to College and getting something bigger in life so you can be a rich fucker with lots of toys and good stuff. You can do it man. I dunno if you already have or not.

You might already be a PHD but for anyone who hasn't. Go back to University and get a good degree at least a Bachelor of Arts. Do it! You don't wanna live life without really high pay and rewards. It will make you proud and you won't use as much drugs probably. I think once I am successful in something. I will ease off the drugs. I just need to accomplish something.

I know you feel horrible InsaneIke we all do man. Everyone has problems. I have major problems. But i'm happy things could be worse. I have no highschool education or anything. But i'm going to go to university. I'm gonna do something with my life. I'm sick of sitting around fucking around with drugs and the drug scene. I've removed myself from that as much as i can. Good luckwith the shooting or whatever. Don't do it alot though. Take care of yourself man.

[insaneike]

Well man, I'm gonna start school this coming semester if I don't have surgery... which I WAS seriosuly contemplating, but right now, it would not be for the best I feel... I'm pretty much set financialy btw(w00t, rich family pwnz), done got all the land I could want and all or w/e. Started building on my Cabin last summer in Etowah(shhh, i like a nice cabin!). I'm gonna go to shcool to be a pharm tech as of right now. After that I might go into a better field of medicine, never know...

that shit doens't help SHIT tho, $ isn't gonna help me man, beleive me. I'm not even gonna be going on my cruise to the Bahamas anymore I don't guess. I mean, would you wanna go on a cruise by yourself lol. I've never been out of the country btw, it was gonna be a sweethsit cruise and stay i guess, pfft. Now it should make an interesting gift for my aunt or mom and her new bf for xmas tho since I'm no longer using it, blah! Fuck me if the whole karma thing isn't such BS!!!

You all just don't know how I feel, I don't even know wtf i'ma do yet... but it sure as hell isn't look promising!

i need to stop clicking this thread damnit! makes me keep babbling on about nonsense BS thats totally off-topic and don't relate to shit lol. Srry to bother ppls with my fucked probs heh.

rlly ppl, the only ppl i would feel right talking to about my probs are gone, my friends like already mentioned(if not in another thread?) wont chill with me, the only family member I felt comfortable with(my cousin) passed this past week, this girl i was messing with like 2.5months ago is now getting married and living with some dude so I cant talk to her anymore, and i turned down this other one like about a week ago for somehting else that didn't happen :@ so talking to someone doesn't seem like an option to me, but god would it help!

[nick]

You know you can always talk/rant to us Ike

[CUBErt]

I don't think it's a good idea man,but if you go for it be safe.Remember two in the arm is better than one in the ground.Please take care.

I always loved that quote

[flipside]

As Nick said Ike you can always talk to us. I know it's not the same. And believe me I do undeerstand what it's like to need to fill that whole that grief has left in you...

No more words of warnings from me, you know the risks...And we will support you down whichever path you choose.

I wish things were not so painful for you..hell for everybody. Whatever you do, keep venting, keep posting and be careful. I've PM;d you my contact info..if you ever want to really talk..please do not hesitate to use it.. Hugs,, Flip

[greenfox]

Thats exactly why someone never shot before, cause I kinda know it will just go down hill... but hey, if it dulls emotions and puts me in another 'happy' state by all means, blah. I rlly don't know what else to do tho folks! Beleive me, I've tried everything else I can, this is literaly the last resort kinda thing here! There is absolutely no one to be with and talk right now like there was about 2monthss ago, as this girl I used to mess with(has a kid or i woulda for sure took her...) is now living with and married to this other dude, and me going over and trying to talk to her like I used to with him there... heh, I'd rather not, as I just couldn't ya know? and all my other friends kinda dont want shit to do with me cause this one friend(cuase i wouldn't sell him pills that i DIDNT HAVE! all cause i helped other ppl, karma is such BS lol) apperently filled them with BS... so yeah, kinda in a hole here.

Someone will see how tonight goes, but a GOOD sitter is gonna be a big prob...

meh, i done got all the info I need and now just complaining lol, so I guess someone got their hypothetical answers, thx fellow opiophiles!


well I would love to hear how this goes. You will have to let me in on it. heh. :)

[kyuss]

fuck go to University and get a PHD or something lol. That's what I suggest for everyone here who hasn't done it. I'm planning to go soon. I'm going to be a fucking doctor. You should too! Be a psychologist or something. Start going to College and getting something bigger in life so you can be a rich fucker with lots of toys and good stuff. You can do it man. I dunno if you already have or not.

You might already be a PHD but for anyone who hasn't. Go back to University and get a good degree at least a Bachelor of Arts. Do it! You don't wanna live life without really high pay and rewards. It will make you proud and you won't use as much drugs probably. I think once I am successful in something. I will ease off the drugs. I just need to accomplish something.

I know you feel horrible InsaneIke we all do man. Everyone has problems. I have major problems. But i'm happy things could be worse. I have no highschool education or anything. But i'm going to go to university. I'm gonna do something with my life. I'm sick of sitting around fucking around with drugs and the drug scene. I've removed myself from that as much as i can. Good luckwith the shooting or whatever. Don't do it alot though. Take care of yourself man.

Choose Life.
Choose a job.
Choose a career.
Choose a family.
Choose a fucking big television,choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers.
Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance.
Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments.
Choose a starter home.
Choose your friends.
Choose leisurewear and matching luggage.
Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics.
Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning.
Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth.
Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself.
Choose your future.
Choose life.


but seriously ike
Just be careful.

[blackdog]

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864i didn't finish high school well that's not to say that what i did learn wasn't educational. i mean there's a reason they call it HIGH school isn't there?HAH!
anyway more then half of my buds that aren't working full time have college educations.and so poor under edjucated me, is making 3-4 times the amount in salary. the blue collar edjamacated aptitude that i posess gets the job done in a more practical manor then the prolonged thought process that it takes your average pea brained nutty professor type. yepper see what the school of hard knocks type of education will do for ya!!later dawgg

[moviebuff927]

LOOK AT SOME PORN AND JERK IT OR SOMETHING.

Haha...dude that's pretty good advice

[insaneike]

Pfft, jerking it won't help me too damn much man! I need help, dealin with a monster here :p

Seriosuly, if chasin dope with lots of xans and roxi aren't helping... well, yeah... 'nuff said.

Though tonight I got a tad of releif FOR ONCE! The first fucking time in the past 2 weeks I wasn't feeling down. I didn't last but like 2-3hrs but I'll be damned if I wasn't bummed out for those 2-3hrs!! I sucked it up and called this person I met the other week(whom I turned down btw like an idiot). Well I explained how it'd just help to have someone to talk to or wtf ever and all that gay shit and I'll be damned if it doesn't REALLY HELP ALOT! She rlly did help me forget soooo much! I was of course doing lots of foils of dope and lines this lil 'chat' period but fuck me if I didn't have an hour or two of releif. She had to leave pretty early though(well it was kinda late...).

All I rlly need is someone to give a shit it seems. Hell I don't even know what I'm going on about now! WTF lol, but if things go like they did tonight I should be ok i guess and not need to go as far as down the shooting road. So this thread is kinda pointless now and nothing more than babbling BS that pertains to shit i guess? heh. Theres a few of you that rlly helped ALOT too on here off the main boards... you know you y'all are. Though I'm still feeling like 'fuck everything' but for a few hours I wasn't for the first time in 2 fkn weeks! Which is damn great! THough I've still lost a good bit of shit in planning the trip and all that BS which kinda pisses me off moreso than makes me down and shit :mad: it was my fault though, I guess... and this is just pure off-topic here but it's alot easier than sending like 5-7 of you guys a PM copy no ? :p

[Opiyum]

My first fixing was coke...*there's* a highway...whoooeee!

My first fix was also coke and man there is nothing in the world that can prepare you for that moment when it grabs you.
I had read Burrough's thoughts on IV coke being the most pleasurable feeling he had ever experienced when speaking in terms of drug use and I remember thinking "How could that be?". Skip to a few years later and boy did I ever see.
Only somewhat recently did I ever IV my first bit of meth and you would think that would be more intense....not the case though.