n,n DMT

[Opi>dope]

do any of you have expereince with this, any thoughts or opinions

[SpecialGuy69]

nope. no experiences, thoughts, or opinions.

[insaneike]

I can tell you the shit is NOT too recreational!!! Maybe it could be in form of ayahuasca if you ahve some damn good exp. and like to trip out very hard! That shit is just.... CRAZY! I honestly don't know if I'd even do that shit again, and I'm one who likes to trip fairly hard when I do trip! Sure isn't nothing to play with if you don't have some good psychedelic exp. or going on the journey with a very experienced user!

Both times I tried it was a futuristic space age kind of trip. PURE CRAZYNESS! and at times VERY scary. My heart was beating SOO damn hard from fear that I coulda swore it about gave out... It sure showed me and put me in my place about using strong psychedelics solely for fun. I used to do lots of acid and thought I could also sue DMT for fun... but oh god, it's like comapring Adderall to Crystal Meth, theres NO COMAPRRISON! lol.

Want any in depth info hit me up on MSN or in PM or something...

[kyuss]

I can tell you the shit is NOT too recreational!!! Maybe it could be in form of ayahuasca if you ahve some damn good exp. and like to trip out very hard! That shit is just.... CRAZY! I honestly don't know if I'd even do that shit again, and I'm one who likes to trip fairly hard when I do trip! Sure isn't nothing to play with if you don't have some good psychedelic exp. or going on the journey with a very experienced user!

Both times I tried it was a futuristic space age kind of trip. PURE CRAZYNESS! and at times VERY scary. My heart was beating SOO damn hard from fear that I coulda swore it about gave out... It sure showed me and put me in my place about using strong psychedelics solely for fun. I used to do lots of acid and thought I could also sue DMT for fun... but oh god, it's like comapring Adderall to Crystal Meth, theres NO COMAPRRISON! lol.

Want any in depth info hit me up on MSN or in PM or something...


man,I'm really
digging yer posts
these days.
Points to you :)

[AWOL]

man,I'm really
digging yer posts
these days.
Points to you :)

Yeah, good info Ike. Pts.


My experience with DMT was pure craziness like IKE was sayin ,,, but it was enjoyable. Yeah, not a "recreational" drug, but maybe a once in a while thing. If you do all that crazy hippy shit and prepare yourself for the trip and do it wanting to learn, I think it's a great substance. You'll take a lot more away from the trip. I prefer smoking it freebase if you have that option, I did one time... STRONG. Short lived, but pure craziness. And yeah, like Ike said don't let this be your first psychadelic experience :) shrooms are much nicer to you and won't beat the piss outta ya stoppin only to cop a shit on ya on their way out. I respect the substance.



(BTW, that was post 420 for ya Ike. Fitting, no?)

[insaneike]

Haha, I just noticed, it was post #420! w00t!

and now flipping through the TV I found a pink floyd concert on lol. THis all just ran together eh lol. It's on some local WTCI chan...

[OpiBli$$1988]

careful with that shit...i once snorted a line about the size and lenght of a match and get this fucked up ringing in my ears bc of how much i over did it, may have some sort of permanent brain dmg...but its been goin away slightly with time... After that line i threw away all my 2ci, 2ct7, 5-meo-dmt, n 5-meo-amt. Weird how all the online chem vendors got shut down yrs ago...but mines still up n runnin and also sells 1,4-butanediol (which is basicly GHB)...wierd. AS for experiences g2 Erowid.org click on DMT on the front page n scroll down to find experience reports..

[insaneike]

Never heard of N,N-dimethyltryptamine(DMT) being used intranasaly... bet that stuff burned and had one nasty drip...

Sure you wasn't mistaking DMT with 5-meO-DMT? Cause the two are a world of difference apart in effects lol. Some ppl rlly go in too deep when they try n,n-DMT cause they handled 5-meO-DMT really well and think that they're relatively the same... they are sooo different. I wouldn't even put them in the same class when it comes to effects. Well, it's more like how LSA is to LSD kind of. and I was disappointed with 5-meO-DMT.I got OK visuals and all but there was little to no body high type effect to it. It also made me very nauseas! I think nausea is common with it though, as it has a 'purging' effect to it like mescaline does...

but I'm just wondering if you confused the two, as I've never heard of n,n-DMT being snorted... does it not require an MAOI when used intranasaly like it does when used oraly or...?

[AWOL]

Is 5-meo-dmt, the same thing as ... well, "normal" DMT? Cause when I smoked DMT, The world as you know it is gone, history, bye bye. Coming back was very strange because it was like all of the sudden I just realised ,, WTF am I doing, what is going on and I was back to a sense of reality and what had just happend. Not back as in ground zero, just back as in recognizing that this wasn't some weird dream (if you could call it that) but that I had just ingested a drug and all that had just happened to me was an experience (I couldn't sort it out at this point, I just knew it had happend) and that I was slowly returning to the "real world" ... kinda like the Matrix.

[insaneike]

dv1313, there is a world of difference between 5-meO-DMT(5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) and DMT(N,N-dimethyltryptamine)! They really aren't shit the same when it comes to the intensity of the trip... god, don't know where to begin in comparing them :P

[AWOL]

dv1313, there is a world of difference between 5-meO-DMT(5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) and DMT(N,N-dimethyltryptamine)! They really aren't shit the same when it comes to the intensity of the trip... god, don't know where to begin in comparing them :P

Yeah that's what I was thinking. I'm sure opiobliss's trip was scary shit with his ears ringin like that and all but I'm thinking that trip on RC was prob a lot different .. all I could remember from the onset of that smoked DMT experience was excelerating to the speed of light, who knows if my ears were ringing?

[AWOL]

I'm putting this here before the link:

Watch the "flashback" video before visiting his website, the website gives part of the video away. And, do yourself the biggest favor by being as high as possible (hopefully trippin balls in a dark room) when you watch the flash video. I'm not talking opiates, a bare minimum of the best chronic you can find. That video is so fuckin trippy if you're ... well trippin. Someone saved it for me for when I was tripping and It was sooo bad ass. Serriously I regard that as one of the best experiences of my life watching that video on my 24" monitor with headphones blaring and trippin fuckin balls. God that was awesome, I wish I could do that again. And nope, if your just on opiates or alcohol or something and not trippin, the video will just be annoying to you. If you watch it beforehand, then decide it would be cool to watch while tripping, it will ruin it for you because it will still be in your memory. It has to be a first time thing to attain the coolness trippy weird-as-all-shit effect. Trust me, it's worth it. I'm doubtfull even writting this that anyone is going to take that serrious, or wait till they're trippin to watch this. But when you're trippin hard and you watch something as crazy as this video is (the sound is key!) it makes for a very intense moment.

Song is called DMT by Shpongle.

Flashback by Danny Gomez. http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/archive/dump/flash/flashback.swf (http://louhi.kempele.fi/%7Eskyostil/archive/dump/flash/flashback.swf)
and his homepage here - http://webzone.k3.mah.se/kit01051/oldIndex.html

[OpiBli$$1988]

Yea ike i was talkin bout 5-meo not the n,n...i rele wana try some rl dmt not just the 5-meo, but after that line i snorted im scared as fuck to go near any drug like that again. I thought i was gunna die when i snorted that line...ended up on the floor next to my computer with emenems "stan" playing with all that rain falling n shit...makes me sick to hear that song to this day...everything whent like 2D or 1D like i could see everything around me...almost like i was looking down onmyself... after awhile i just layed back and just knew i was gunna die..i like felt this black presence like i thought death was all around me. I did get some cool visuals tho, i mean i didnt see "visuals" just black patterns n flashes of shit..that stuff is just to intense for me...all my freinds who tryed it hate it too.

[AWOL]

Yea ike i was talkin bout 5-meo not the n,n...i rele wana try some rl dmt not just the 5-meo, but after that line i snorted im scared as fuck to go near any drug like that again. I thought i was gunna die when i snorted that line...ended up on the floor next to my computer with emenems "stan" playing with all that rain falling n shit...makes me sick to hear that song to this day...everything whent like 2D or 1D like i could see everything around me...almost like i was looking down onmyself... after awhile i just layed back and just knew i was gunna die..i like felt this black presence like i thought death was all around me. I did get some cool visuals tho, i mean i didnt see "visuals" just black patterns n flashes of shit..that stuff is just to intense for me...all my freinds who tryed it hate it too.

Yeah, I figured it was a different trip. Intense, in it's own way. But different.

[jacky]

keep it in the small doses, smoked, in good company, and it is GREAT, but I have not yet been able to get enough to experience out of the world effect. 20 milligrams was great, very comfortable body feeling....and the tree of life floating in the distance for a minute.

serene, and comforting....

higher doses taken on a very different edge I am told.

DPT is a great compound as well, perfect for snorting....very nice chemical in the low dose range.

[applesauce]

I LOVE DMT. Someone accurately described it as "hippie shit" and that stereotype works for me.

I used to do LSD by the mouthfull - literally a few of us tear a sheet of 100 tabs into several (three or four) parts and we would each eat our "part". 40 hits of good blotter doesn't even come close to DMT.

I use a mind-machine (specifically http://mindmachines.com/light-sound-machines-AVSJ/brex.html ) and just lay down and get comfortable. I put on experimental music (Coil's Time Travel disc is an excellent choice) in the background of the headphones (the aux in jack of the mind machine) and leave the planet.

Ketamine is nice, LSD is even cooler (to me) but lasts much longer - DMT (again, subjectively, to me) is the great grandaddy of insanely-powerful psychedelic experience. Remember, this is from someone who doesn't consider it a trip if you can consciously move at ALL.

I like opiates for the effect they seem to have on sleep - the RUSH feels wonderful but the nod is the really interesting part. It is almost psychedelic. Benzos are utilitarian to me, they do a specific task like a hammer or a stereo, they aren't recreational. Just opiates and psychedelics.

I just gave away the last of my Foxy (5-MEO-DIPT) and I am waiting for some 2CE to arrive, I can't wait. DPT (currently unscheduled) is still widely available, and in large enough doses it can almost get to be as potent as DMT. DPT freebase is cool, but you have to smoke a lot more of it than DMT and it has that same horrible burning plastic taste. Nothing beats DMT though.


DMT can be snorted if it is DMT HCL. Smoking it is the only way to get to hyperspace though.

A very accurate description of a DMT experience ("accurate" being a really funny word there...) is available at: http://deoxy.org/timemind.htm - McKenna is like the Tim Leary of DMT, his material is very cool reading, if you like the "hippie stuff".

I'm getting older, and the older I get (in my 40s now) the less hard psychedelics I use and the more opiates I use - I'm not sure exactly what that says, but it says something...

[Dilaudid]

Hello opiophiles,

I really prefer Dimethyltryptamine over 5-Methoxy-Dimethyltryptamine the 5-MeO-DMT trip is too violent and less constructed.
I love the combo N,N-DMT hydrochloride (90mg smoked, expect an "special yuk plastic taste") plus Salvia Divinorum 20x extract. Welcome in a new world.
But start low like 20mg of the hydrochloride salt.
Mixing N,N-DMT with opiates lower the intensity of the trip.
With DMT or 5-MeO-DMT expect somthing "hardcore" the trip began in 10-30sec and ends more or less one hour later, have a sitter, choose a calm set and setting (dont do this at a party), don't try to sand up, be careful with your DMT pipe when it's hot and the trip begin.
Ketamine (125mg IM) + 2CB hydrochloride (25mg oral route) + DMT hydrochloride (80 mg smoked) = My best trip ever.
DPT is a good tryptamine too you can snort it (I prefer to smoke it).
Be carefull and say hello to the DMT elves for me.

"Load the universe into a cannon.
Aim at brain.
FIRE"

[SpecialGuy69]

oh I said no I haven't tried it thinking it was another anaolg like 5-meo. Yeah, I've tried "real" DMT, but I don't have anything profound to say about it like these guys. It was interesting, I wasn't really conscious of what was going on around me at all and that feeling is kind of scary if you realize it, I didn't till I was on my way back, but it made me not want to go back out there.

I'd love to be able to eat LSD again. I just have too much shit on my mind now, the past few times (years ago) all ended badly. There is nothing like the feeling of a really good LSD experience. I really wish there was an instant-acting antidote to LSD (like a nasal spray or something) that would stop your trip as soon as you took it. That way, I could go really, really far out there without having to worry. I think part of what fucks with me about LSD is that once you are there, you're stuck there for 10 more hours (more or less). That's kind of a scary feeling when it's only been 15 minutes and you're already so fucked up you're convinced there isn't another level after this one. Then you go farther and farther and farther. That's what scared me about it.

Anyways, LSD is a good time, but it's best left for the younger guys without as many worries, problems, or pain. That's the state of mind I have to be in to enjoy psychadelics, and I don't see myself getting there anytime soon. Remember "In The Name Of The Father"? when they trip in jail? That would totally fuck up my head!

[Dilaudid]

Hello tm420tm,

oh I said no I haven't tried it thinking it was another anaolg like 5-meo. Yeah, I've tried "real" DMT, but I don't have anything profound to say about it like these guys. It was interesting, I wasn't really conscious of what was going on around me at all and that feeling is kind of scary if you realize it, I didn't till I was on my way back, but it made me not want to go back out there.

I'd love to be able to eat LSD again. I just have too much shit on my mind now, the past few times (years ago) all ended badly. There is nothing like the feeling of a really good LSD experience. I really wish there was an instant-acting antidote to LSD (like a nasal spray or something) that would stop your trip as soon as you took it. That way, I could go really, really far out there without having to worry. I think part of what fucks with me about LSD is that once you are there, you're stuck there for 10 more hours (more or less). That's kind of a scary feeling when it's only been 15 minutes and you're already so fucked up you're convinced there isn't another level after this one. Then you go farther and farther and farther. That's what scared me about it.

Anyways, LSD is a good time, but it's best left for the younger guys without as many worries, problems, or pain. That's the state of mind I have to be in to enjoy psychadelics, and I don't see myself getting there anytime soon. Remember "In The Name Of The Father"? when they trip in jail? That would totally fuck up my head!

You re right when you are on a good dose of DMT you're unconscious of your surroundings and if the dose is high youre somtimes even inconscious of yourself fo time...
You're into an other world.

I feel sorry for your LSD problem, but if you're not in a good set and setting don't do a psychedelic too many shit can emmerge of your head.

Some people will call this polydrug abuse but it pays to have a benzo handy if you want to trip again (flunitrazepam is especialy good for this purpose the plasmatic peak comme very fast with a good half life flunitrazepam il fully legal and commonly prescribed here (France)) for panic reactions or to put an smooth end to a psychedelic trip.
I prefer benzodiazepines over neuroleptics because neuroleptics can dull your mood a lot.

You can also try kratom.
Stimulation of postsynaptic alpha-2-adrenoreceptors, blockade of 5-HT2A receptors, or both, are involved in mitragynine's suppression of 5-HT2A mediated head-twitch response in mice. It has been speculated that mitragynine's activity at 5-HT2A receptors may suppress the activity of psychedelic drugs, which are agonists at these receptor sites.

Bests regards Dillaudid.

[applesauce]

Hello opiophiles,

I really prefer Dimethyltryptamine over 5-Methoxy-Dimethyltryptamine the 5-MeO-DMT trip is too violent and less constructed.

Yeah I don't like 5-MEO-DMT at all. It occurs in nature in combination. The combination is referred to as the Power and the Glory (the Power being 5-MEO-DMT and the Glory being DMT).

I love the combo N,N-DMT hydrochloride (90mg smoked, expect an "special yuk plastic taste") plus Salvia Divinorum 20x extract. Welcome in a new world.

I haven't mixed it with salvia yet. I've not smoked the HCL salt either, but I imagine it'd taste pretty nasty.

But start low like 20mg of the hydrochloride salt.
Mixing N,N-DMT with opiates lower the intensity of the trip.
With DMT or 5-MeO-DMT expect somthing "hardcore" the trip began in 10-30sec and ends more or less one hour later, have a sitter, choose a calm set and setting (dont do this at a party), don't try to sand up, be careful with your DMT pipe when it's hot and the trip begin.
Ketamine (125mg IM) + 2CB hydrochloride (25mg oral route) + DMT hydrochloride (80 mg smoked) = My best trip ever.
DPT is a good tryptamine too you can snort it (I prefer to smoke it).


I prefer to smoke it too. I've not mixed DMT with anything other than pot though, it just never really occurred to me. To me, the "hard fun" part of the DMT experience lasts less than 15 minutes, in an hours time I have practically forgot the entire thing and I've moved on to something else.

The trick is sort of like the articles here about smoking fent patches - draw HARD on the pipe and hold the smoke for as long as possible, but try to get at least three BIG hits down your throat. It'll fight and try to spew itself out (your lungs hate the hot plastic taste) but hold it down. By the time you exhale that third big hit, you will be floating in outer space looking in the window of a flying saucer being operated by God, and you can look in through the window and see Him operating the levers and buttons that make the universe function. You'll yell through the glass porthole in the spaceship, and God will turn around and see you, and you will KNOW that he sees you, and you will understand.

Then, ten minutes later, toss a Hot Pocket into the microwave and flip on House and reflect on the experience. But don't reflect on it too hard, remember, it is ALL LIES, just like our every day waking life.

tm420tm I agree completely. Good benzos will help bring a LSD experience to a slowdown, and Thorazine will bring it to a halt, but benzos only do a half-ass job, and not many of us have anti-psychotic meds laying around. The best thing I've found is to have a 3cc point and a Valium ampule laying around ready to be shot IM in case anything goes wrong. I've used one after the trip starts to wear down when I was just ready to get to sleep, but the acid doses I like make it pretty much impossible to be able to even recognize what a syringe is during the peak, so self-injecting to come down if the experience is too rough is not an option for me. Nasal spray! What a great idea! Someone needs to market "ACID-STOP" at raves!

[OxyContinuously]

Plenty of experience with DPT, but none w/ DMT yet, I'm afraid. Dipropyl was quite a trip though, snorted.

[Papa Verine]

I made a crude alkaloid extract from Illinois Bundleflower (Desmanthus sp..) root bark. The finished product was some reddish-orange naptha smelling crystals. I guess my preparation would have had dmt and 5-meo-dmt. But anyway, I liked it! In 20 seconds you're tripping and back to normal in an hour. I'd compare the trip to other common hallucinogens like Psylocibin, mescaline or LSD. It just hits you hard fast!

[kyuss]

I made a crude alkaloid extract from Illinois Bundleflower (Desmanthus sp..) root bark. The finished product was some reddish-orange naptha smelling crystals. I guess my preparation would have had dmt and 5-meo-dmt. But anyway, I liked it! In 20 seconds you're tripping and back to normal in an hour. I'd compare the trip to other common hallucinogens like Psylocibin, mescaline or LSD. It just hits you hard fast!


recipe?

I played around
with Calamus root
a few times.
Gives you a speedy
yet calm minor buzz.
Tastes like perfume.

[sk8opium]

I made a crude alkaloid extract from Illinois Bundleflower (Desmanthus sp..) root bark. The finished product was some reddish-orange naptha smelling crystals. I guess my preparation would have had dmt and 5-meo-dmt. But anyway, I liked it! In 20 seconds you're tripping and back to normal in an hour. I'd compare the trip to other common hallucinogens like Psylocibin, mescaline or LSD. It just hits you hard fast!


Like salvia? that hits you hard and goes away right quick. It was to wierd to be on for me.

[Papa Verine]

recipe?

I played around
with Calamus root
a few times.
Gives you a speedy
yet calm minor buzz.
Tastes like perfume.

Me too, among other things...

recipe?

ask erowid?

[Papa Verine]

Like salvia? that hits you hard and goes away right quick. It was to wierd to be on for me.

Salvia! No, too fucked up... IBOGAINE anyone???

[Opi>dope]

Ibogaine has always had my intrest, but have yet to try I`ve also heard it can be used in opiate treatment

[AWOL]

Ibogaine has always had my intrest, but have yet to try I`ve also heard it can be used in opiate treatment

I don't know that you'd want to use it otherwise.

[applesauce]

Plenty of experience with DPT, but none w/ DMT yet, I'm afraid. Dipropyl was quite a trip though, snorted.

Next to pot, DPT is SWIM's mainstay. SWIM prefers it even to `schrooms, because the dose is much more predictable, and the effects are similar.