INTERNATIONAL HARM REDUCTION CONFERRENCE in WARSAW,POLAND

[nikita70]

Hey guys,

Hope you know about International Harm Reduction Conferrence, in Mai 2007 in Warsaw, Poland.
I will probably help a little by organising of the so called "User-Sessions" - a part of a conferrence, created by and dedicated to the "active" users.
Does anyone of you know to be taking part in a conferrence?

Nick, I'm sure you will. You used to be a drug user activist:cool: !!!

[red26]

Has anyone else herd of this? Its what we need for the sake of exposer(?). I really believe that if the draconian heads of state were to learn more about opiates and harm reduction things might get alittle easier for those of us entangled in the medical and/or judicial system. I hope that when my generation starts to really move into congress and other likeminded positions of power ignorance will be minimal compared to today. Or maybe every generation says that?

[SpecialGuy69]

^ I'm sure the people who came up in the 60's said the same thing, and congress is more full of lying, hypocritical cocksuckers than it ever has been before. It makes me sick to think that one day, I'll probably be a lying , hypocritical cocksucker, too. Everyone says they won't become one, but it's almost inevitable- Probably 75% of the people duckfeet and dd hung out with in high school are douchebags now.

[Duckfeet]

^ I'm sure the people who came up in the 60's said the same thing, and congress is more full of lying, hypocritical cocksuckers than it ever has been before. It makes me sick to think that one day, I'll probably be a lying , hypocritical cocksucker, too. Everyone says they won't become one, but it's almost inevitable- Probably 75% of the people duckfeet and dd hung out with in high school are douchebags now.

You're right...I don't even know, really. People I did hang out with in later years, who I know of are locked up, drunk, or crazy, mostly. I was as shocked to bump into DD as anybody else...my gen that lived like me is mostly gone...Vietnam vets have unbelievable rate of suicide...DD was in baddest prison in Calif...But it's good to believe, to try, to think things won't always be this way. The past doesn't dictate the future. Just because it's always been that way, doesn't mean it always will be. To me, it's good to fight off bitterness.

Every once in a while somebody will surprise you and do the right thing. Even top cops in England are saying they need heroin maintenance. And when they wanted to take away a bunch of veteran's pensions from Vietnam days--including mine--fucking Barak Obama stood up and said no way, and nobody wanted to cross him. I mean, I'm nuts, and a lifetime heroin addict, but I was ready to hop back in a truck and go back to work, and a lot of these vets they are too crazy and emotional to know even how to defend themselves, and this senator--and some lady senator from Washington state I hadn't heard of either--Patty?--stopped it. When I'd heard they had squashed it, I said Barak who?. All these hardcore warmongers who avoided war when it came their way wanting to put us old vets on the street to save money for more killing...I sent Barak a letter for me and the guys who can't write letters, thanking him, and he was just recently elected out there...I vote libertarian, too, told him so. We ain't constituants. None of these guys vote...hell, it's all they can do in the morning to go get a quart of beer and eat their benzos without falling down.

And there must be *somebody* up in Canada doing the right thing, if you follow the NAOMI project up in Vancouver.

I know there is a shortage of heroes right now, man, and it weighs on me so many young people are already cynical and bitter. But there are people like Nick in England, trying to fix things. Nick kicked fucking years of *heroin* just to come over here to attend a goddamn harm reduction conference...(sorry Nick, it's a good cause)...You gotta believe...

John Le Carre once wrote, in front of "Little Drummer Girl" if I remember right, haha, that you have to think like a hero to act like a merely decent human being. He still tries...He's crazy and old...but so was Bertrand Russell. There are still good guys, they just don't make as much noise. I don't *even* like Jimmy Carter, but the goofy old fuck is still out there trying to get houses built for people who wouldn't know him from an empty malt liquor bottle.

Of course there are a lot like me, too, who are just burntout and want the pain to go away...but I watch the horizon too, man, every day, knowing someday I'll see a sail...

[red26]

You got that right man. Someday. I hear where your coming from with my generation. We are a really pissed off group of individules and for good reason. Like TM said, "full of lying hipocritical cocksuckers."

I think people in general feel estranged from the things they want to see changed. Maybe thats why we want it changed? Typically we dont know how to make an impact in the things that matter to us, and we dont know how to access resources because theres so much bullshit being thrown around. Its just so confusing!!!

Its hard to live a simple life. Theres red tape everywhere and its pointing us in five different directions so what do we do about it? Usually nothing because of fear in choosing the wrong path and making a bad situation worse.

All I know is theres a international harm reduction conference in Warsaw Poland and thats a good thing. Too bad I cant go.

[robojunkie]

I'm sure the people who came up in the 60's said the same thing, and congress is more full of lying, hypocritical cocksuckers than it ever has been before. It makes me sick to think that one day, I'll probably be a lying , hypocritical cocksucker, too. Everyone says they won't become one, but it's almost inevitable- Probably 75% of the people duckfeet and dd hung out with in high school are douchebags now.

Yeah I've met people like that when I was young that just went republican. But I think the young idealists that grow up and are true to what they believed tend to not trust the system and certainly don't want to part of the government. I guess that's part of the problem. And as pessimistic as I/we can all be about freedom of consciousness persecution being remedied (and in my fantasy world the policy makers who drove death and misery with their intransigent expediency, ie politics, would face that wonderful future drug war crimes tribunal) think about this: In the 06 elections one state (I forget which) had a referendum to legalize marijuana on a state level and it only lost by about 60 to 40%. Imagine that kind of result in the '80s! And even these politico bastards that sat by and watch several hundred thousand junkies contract HIV when they could have eliminated this with NE or behind the counter/no script sales have had to accept everywhere but NJ that this is unconsciounable and have allowed this in all but that state. Again, never would have happened in the 80s.

Also, slowly as people grow and they have kids and buy, at first, the propaganda about the horrors/fears of THEIR kid becoming a drug addict they must realize that somebody's kid (maybe one of their's) will get into drugs and that subjecting them to the streets/crime/diseases/prostitution/etc. is all part of prohibition and not drugs. After all they would have had friends/known people who used something, had legal/health problems and would figure out that that was a symptom of drug prohibition/user persecution and, for the most part, not the drugs themselves. Major social/legal change takes a lot of time (generations) and logic and history are in our favor. No difference in principle between alcohol and drug prohibition. DP only continued so the ex-treasury agents could do the same work in a different department and since most people then didn't use any drugs but alcohol they just didn't give a shit what the gov did to junkies. Shit will change eventually. After all even the dea website admits methadone maintenance is "effective" blah blah blah. If so then heroin maintenance must be more so and prohibition repeal with the obvious analogous alcohol laws is most effective. Logic and human rights can't be denied forever.

[nick]

Yeah,I think I'll go,but I missed the abstract deadline.I'll e mail you closer to May.

[nikita70]

OOOh guys. I read veeeery slooooowly what You wrote. I'm afraid I'm yet not ready to involve into such a "complicated" discussion, 'cause of my poor "english". Just not much enough of english words, probably too many simplifications from my side 'cause of it!!!

But as far I can understand the leitmotive(?) was: what happens to generation(s) when they grown up and turn into "cocksuckers", will it happen to me&my generation?, does the congress or other "big celebrities" like this have any motivation...?

Allthough it happens to me sometimes to do some little things for HR, I have a lot of doubts. Maybe if I would be an uncritically "practication" of Harm Reduction it would be better for me. Some people just make for themselves HR as a new receipe for life, hope you know what I mean. The question is if it's good and why no? And this is not a secret that you can earn money by drugs not only by dealing it. "Drug-community" has also (like else) the elite, establishment...I think it's normal. And there are good people among them and the "hipocritically cocksuckers" too, like everywhere. And it's also normal.
I think, that is good if someone "open-minded" became important, succesful. It's the opportunity to make a difference.
It's worse, if he isn't "open-minded" anymore...

sorry for this terrible english

[Duckfeet]

OOOh guys. I read veeeery slooooowly what You wrote. I'm afraid I'm yet not ready to involve into such a "complicated" discussion, 'cause of my poor "english". Just not much enough of english words, probably too many simplifications from my side 'cause of it!!!

But as far I can understand the leitmotive(?) was: what happens to generation(s) when they grown up and turn into "cocksuckers", will it happen to me&my generation?, does the congress or other "big celebrities" like this have any motivation...?

Allthough it happens to me sometimes to do some little things for HR, I have a lot of doubts. Maybe if I would be an uncritically "practication" of Harm Reduction it would be better for me. Some people just make for themselves HR as a new receipe for life, hope you know what I mean. The question is if it's good and why no? And this is not a secret that you can earn money by drugs not only by dealing it. "Drug-community" has also (like else) the elite, establishment...I think it's normal. And there are good people among them and the "hipocritically cocksuckers" too, like everywhere. And it's also normal.
I think, that is good if someone "open-minded" became important, succesful. It's the opportunity to make a difference.
It's worse, if he isn't "open-minded" anymore...

sorry for this terrible english

Hell, your english is good enough for me, Nikita. I know being forced to use a language always speeds up proficiency anyway, so you keep posting. And what I said about Nick and heroes and all that, I was thinking of you, too...I just forgot what country you were from and didn't want to put in the wrong territory ;-)

And at least you are trying, Nikita. I want to go too! Just for the chance to meet Nick and you, and to see a country I just read about, back in bad days for your country I used to follow Solidarity's travails, would put know in my heart. Always been brave men around, and Poland has more than it's share.

I was a commercial diver for Oceaneering Int., back in seventies and eighties and one of best hands we had was a diver named Lee Muntean (spelling ?), and he had escaped Poland hiding in a piano crate until he got to Austria, then much travail to finally get to America, become a diver. Me and Lee used to come off job and drink beer in the morning and play chess. Brave man, went thru much hell in times now forgotten by many.

Anyway, welcome to you, and good on you for trying.

[candy]

I am sorry to say I won't be going to Poland........But, I am always on the Harm Reduction front here in Los Angeles/O.C.!!!!!!

Send us lots of new info!

[flipside]

OOOh guys. I read veeeery slooooowly what You wrote. I'm afraid I'm yet not ready to involve into such a "complicated" discussion, 'cause of my poor "english". Just not much enough of english words, probably too many simplifications from my side 'cause of it!!!

But as far I can understand the leitmotive(?) was: what happens to generation(s) when they grown up and turn into "cocksuckers", will it happen to me&my generation?, does the congress or other "big celebrities" like this have any motivation...?

Allthough it happens to me sometimes to do some little things for HR, I have a lot of doubts. Maybe if I would be an uncritically "practication" of Harm Reduction it would be better for me. Some people just make for themselves HR as a new receipe for life, hope you know what I mean. The question is if it's good and why no? And this is not a secret that you can earn money by drugs not only by dealing it. "Drug-community" has also (like else) the elite, establishment...I think it's normal. And there are good people among them and the "hipocritically cocksuckers" too, like everywhere. And it's also normal.
I think, that is good if someone "open-minded" became important, succesful. It's the opportunity to make a difference.
It's worse, if he isn't "open-minded" anymore...

sorry for this terrible english


Nikita your english is fine! And you make an excellent point. Quite clearly. As DF said the language will come with time.

You keep fighting the good fight! Things will certainly never change if evryone gives up because they feel it's a lost cause. Causes only get lost when good people like yourself, Nick and Candy quit trying! Fight on dear... If not for our generation then for the next and hopefully they too some day will carry on where we left off..

[candy]

Nikita your english is fine! And you make an excellent point. Quite clearly. As DF said the language will come with time.

You keep fighting the good fight! Things will certainly never change if evryone gives up because they feel it's a lost cause. Causes only get lost when good people like yourself, Nick and Candy quit trying! Fight on dear... If not for our generation then for the next and hopefully they too some day will carry on where we left off..


Everyday, whether or not I am at work, or not I consider the shit that goes on out there that allows people who have no resources to die or continue to suffer needlessly.

Who the fuck cares if you sell syringes from your pharmacy....Sell them. Would these idiots rather continue to pay their precious tax dollars helping to pay for AIDS/HCV care related costs! Yeah, they would!

I have come to the conclusion that most of the people I see everyday in my daily life(not my clients or those I work with), but your average idiot, have no concept of what is going on in the world around them. And I don't consider those on this site to be a part of that group.
People only care about the causes that affect them directly and most of the time they are lame causes! So what if Toys R' Us doesn't have your kids Tickle me Elmo. Buy them something else and remember that there is most likely some kid somewhere that is going to get anything this year!

I am not anti-christmas, but this commercialism of X-Mas makes me sick!

Sorry to rant.....Been feeling a bit weird lately, new med and it is making a fucking hyper freak! I cannot sit still or think a full thought!!!!!! LOL!

Thanks for the kind words flip....I love what I do and I will keep on doing it!!!!!!

[flipside]

OOOh guys. I read veeeery slooooowly what You wrote. I'm afraid I'm yet not ready to involve into such a "complicated" discussion, 'cause of my poor "english". Just not much enough of english words, probably too many simplifications from my side 'cause of it!!!

But as far I can understand the leitmotive(?) was: what happens to generation(s) when they grown up and turn into "cocksuckers", will it happen to me&my generation?, does the congress or other "big celebrities" like this have any motivation...?

Allthough it happens to me sometimes to do some little things for HR, I have a lot of doubts. Maybe if I would be an uncritically "practication" of Harm Reduction it would be better for me. Some people just make for themselves HR as a new receipe for life, hope you know what I mean. The question is if it's good and why no? And this is not a secret that you can earn money by drugs not only by dealing it. "Drug-community" has also (like else) the elite, establishment...I think it's normal. And there are good people among them and the "hipocritically cocksuckers" too, like everywhere. And it's also normal.
I think, that is good if someone "open-minded" became important, succesful. It's the opportunity to make a difference.
It's worse, if he isn't "open-minded" anymore...

sorry for this terrible english

Everyday, whether or not I am at work, or not I consider the shit that goes on out there that allows people who have no resources to die or continue to suffer needlessly.

Who the fuck cares if you sell syringes from your pharmacy....Sell them. Would these idiots rather continue to pay their precious tax dollars helping to pay for AIDS/HCV care related costs! Yeah, they would!

I have come to the conclusion that most of the people I see everyday in my daily life(not my clients or those I work with), but your average idiot, have no concept of what is going on in the world around them. And I don't consider those on this site to be a part of that group.
People only care about the causes that affect them directly and most of the time they are lame causes! So what if Toys R' Us doesn't have your kids Tickle me Elmo. Buy them something else and remember that there is most likely some kid somewhere that is going to get anything this year!

I am not anti-christmas, but this commercialism of X-Mas makes me sick!

Sorry to rant.....Been feeling a bit weird lately, new med and it is making a fucking hyper freak! I cannot sit still or think a full thought!!!!!! LOL!

Thanks for the kind words flip....I love what I do and I will keep on doing it!!!!!!


Give em Hell Candy!!!

And thanks for all you do.

[nikita70]

Thanks, guys!!!

You really keep me doing(?), what I have to do. Every fucking day I hear "let it be", "let the junkies live their own life&let them die" - it's none of your business. You have your own life to live." But THIS IS MY OWN LIFE!!!

The Christmas is also for me a bad time. This all "Jingle Bells"(it goes right now on tv!) drives me mad, this all people in a shopping-rush, (RUN-RUN-RUN:D ...) I have my own JUNKY CHRISTMAS,(I only heared about this movie, I would like to watch it at least) it's always I have a good time.

[nick]

Nikita,let us face it christmas makes you want to get high.

[Duckfeet]

Nick, Nikita, Candy: I am so grateful to you, and people like you, who try to help people like me, who can't or won't take care of themselves. Many of us have become so embittered and battered by all the legal crap and personal losses, that we don't try, don't care...if u didn't put forth the effort, it wouldn't happen.

I know I've mentioned him before, but I always think, when "harm reduction" comes up, of my cousin Scotty, who I used to play in the sprinklers with, when we were kids, who, along with his wife, died of AIDs. What a difference it might have made, if he could have had clean syringes. He wasn't a bad hearted boy, used to be an avid fisherman in Miami, him and his dad up at 4 a.m. to get out there, catch those fish. But somewhere in there, he became a junky, like me, him, his wife and her ex all shared syringes, and the cruel punishment of AID's took them all.

I also think of South Dakota, of all places. I had ridden back from Sturgis, over on the west side, after bike week, and had some heroin waiting for me in Sioux Falls, so I hammer back to get there, riding hard, cold, just to get my little "saved" bit of tar. But no rig. But in South Dakota some activists had changed things, so I could walk into the drug store, pick myself up a bag of U80 syringes and I'm on my way. Thanks to harm reduction people again, I didn't have to use battered up syringe someone else didn't want.

It is the most non-judgemental crew I know. Even libertarians like me, who don't believe in "disease" concept, are grateful for what u do. And the fact that it's alive and well in Poland gives me hope for this world after all. We all know what we *can't* do...you all show us what we *can* do. And Nick, again, to be sick and to push thru that to come to Oakland anyway...I couldn't have done it.

[nick]

Duckfeet bro,don't kid yourself.You still alive and at liberty,which is no mean feet considering how long you've been about and that you're in the belly of the beast as far as the drug war goes.