Help please -High Tolerance -any suggestions??

[Basejump]

Hiya all. What a great site - so glad I have found somewhere devoted to the dissemination of info of this type. Being a ploy-drug user for some years I hope that my wealth of experience and information can be of help to somebody. Already I've found some info that's been great (grapefruit juice, et al) so, like, THANKS.

I've dabbled into pretty much the full gamut of substances - always educating myself to make informed choices along the way. Not always the most sensible, healthy or safe choices but INFORMED none-the-less. Of all the ways molecules could be assembled it's the opiates that are my favorites.

But alas, I think my nodding days are over for the time being anyhow - but maybe someone out there has a solution for me - oh please oh please help if you can. This post (my 1st) is a question for help so pls be gentle - aw heck - flame away - I'm pretty thick skinned (as are many ppl who post at this site given the societial issues that come with opiate use/dependence in the West).

I've been on Methadone Maintenance for about 2years now -Couldn't stand Buprenorphine as it made me quite anxious and angry. I currectly take 100mg M'done daily and get 4 TA's/week (I pick up 1xTA and then 3xTA's on another day). My tolerance is now so high that I don't feel ANYTHING with my oral dose and I often put-away (IV) my dose at 100mg per time on top of my oral dose and still NOTHING (aside from constipation and the allaying of withdrawl).

I mean like WTF??!!?? I'll blast over 100mg sometimes and I'll get a buzz for about ONE MINUTE then it's gone.... and as for heroin tolerance - well forget about using 'cause the cross tolerance is enormous. I like the "safety" of being on 'done but I do wanna dabble now & then.

So can anyone suggest a way of getting opiated for someone like me who is so tolerant?? Are there any other methadone users out there who can comment on what's a good dose of 'done to be on that will allow for the occasional dabbling??? I know I'll probably have to reduce but how far??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cya around

Base

[red26]

Hey base!!! welcome welcome man! I have the same problem as well with the tolerance factor. Have you tried dropping your dose considerably for a while, or even taking a sabbatical from the jivejuice? I just took a week off of my M.M.T. and was at sixty last time I dosed. After that much time my clinic makes you half your dose for safety reasons understood, so now I'm at 30 again, and I'm pretty buzzed right now. Something I've noticed that really does help with tolerance, especially when you just stop like I did, is taking al your vitamins, eating right and however difficult it may be, get some excercise every day during this. Getting you natural chems. flowing again is key to getting off again. If you could do it and had alittle something to fall back on to take the edge off when your about to rip your ears off I suggest trying this. It works for me, EVERY TIME. you can p.m. me if you got other Q's. Theres alot more 2 it than what I put down, but thats the jist of my method of curing tolerance boredom. Good luck!

[Basejump]

Thanks Red - Thanks also to all those who PM'd me. I feel very welcome.

Obviously my daily intake needs to be cut-back. Taking a break from the 'done strikes fear into me although I know that the times I have been short or without my dose ('cause I used it the day before) I've gotten through with no problems - it's more the fear of not having the dose available that is more debilatating than the actual absence of the dose itself. It's not really until about day 3 that withdrawl starts - especially if I've been topped up the day(s) prior. Mind you - this is only true with the Glaxo-Smith-Kline brand of (brown) M'done and not the pink Biodone. It's amazing that the GSK version os much longer lasting than the pink Biodone. All my knowledge says to me that they should be equal in strength and duration given they both contain equal amounts of only one active ingredient - 5mg/ml Methadone Hydrochloride. When ppl first told me of this effect of duration with Brown vs Pink I thought it could't be but I gotta tell you that it's TRUE.

So cutting back it's gonna be. I'm may give Bup a try again as being a 50/50 opiate agonist/antagonist it allows me to retain a low tolerance and enjoy the odd opiate purchase. I have to reap what I've sown with the methadone and own the fact that I just aint gonna get any effect for a while and work towards a workable level of methadone - i.e. much lower.

I have some issues with bup - There's been problems with it for me in the past and the answers I've received from the medical establishment have been less than helpful. This forum is an access to many others who have experiences with bup who do not have a prejudicial agenda so I can't think of a better place to start asking questions. I'll post these soon in the appropriate (buprenorphine) forum.

Thanks again everybody.

B.

[Dr Benway]

Reds got it right there. Reduce down a while, it aint as hard as you imagine, and get on a health kick. Its the only realistic way to do it.


I aint used bup on maintenance but most of my cronies reckon it blocks a lot the effects of heroin and other opiates. Not to good if your going to indulge now and then.

Good luck matey :)

[milky_tears]

it's more the fear of not having the dose available that is more debilatating than the actual absence of the dose itself.

^^You've hit the nail on the head there.^^
When you realise that a big part of your addiction IS psychological, thing are a lot easier to put into perspective and get on top of.

Also, if you're anything like me, you probably don't leave very long in between the days where you decide to score. I'll take my meth, (70ml) for a few days and think to myself, "Well, I'll just get a couple of bags..." Which is ALLWAYS dissapointing. I find that if I tell myself that I'm not going to do anything but my meth for at least a week, I find that not only am I having a nice buzz when I score, I'm also don't spend hours in the day thinking, "Should I/shouldn't I" I thoughts.

Good luck!

[fiiendin]

Hey man,
I think I have something that'll help you a little. I read that taking around 100mgs (maybe more too) of DXM (found in cough syrup) can alleviate the tolerance you have for opiates. DXM can also help with withdrawals I think. But of course the best solution is to go just go through with the withdrawals and quit for a while. I don't know if tolerance plateaus after a while or it just keeps going up but it can get quite expensive so you should just quit for awhile and let it go down.

[Tar_Baby]

Hiya all. What a great site - so glad I have found somewhere devoted to the dissemination of info of this type. Being a ploy-drug user for some years I hope that my wealth of experience and information can be of help to somebody. Already I've found some info that's been great (grapefruit juice, et al) so, like, THANKS.

I've dabbled into pretty much the full gamut of substances - always educating myself to make informed choices along the way. Not always the most sensible, healthy or safe choices but INFORMED none-the-less. Of all the ways molecules could be assembled it's the opiates that are my favorites.

But alas, I think my nodding days are over for the time being anyhow - but maybe someone out there has a solution for me - oh please oh please help if you can. This post (my 1st) is a question for help so pls be gentle - aw heck - flame away - I'm pretty thick skinned (as are many ppl who post at this site given the societial issues that come with opiate use/dependence in the West).

I've been on Methadone Maintenance for about 2years now -Couldn't stand Buprenorphine as it made me quite anxious and angry. I currectly take 100mg M'done daily and get 4 TA's/week (I pick up 1xTA and then 3xTA's on another day). My tolerance is now so high that I don't feel ANYTHING with my oral dose and I often put-away (IV) my dose at 100mg per time on top of my oral dose and still NOTHING (aside from constipation and the allaying of withdrawl).

I mean like WTF??!!?? I'll blast over 100mg sometimes and I'll get a buzz for about ONE MINUTE then it's gone.... and as for heroin tolerance - well forget about using 'cause the cross tolerance is enormous. I like the "safety" of being on 'done but I do wanna dabble now & then.

So can anyone suggest a way of getting opiated for someone like me who is so tolerant?? Are there any other methadone users out there who can comment on what's a good dose of 'done to be on that will allow for the occasional dabbling??? I know I'll probably have to reduce but how far??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cya around

Base

Methadone maint isnt for getting a buzz....of course you cant feel it after 2 years..its blocking and you have a tolerance to boot.
Id suggest quitting methadone and go back to whatever drug you were abusing if you wanna just get high. Cant have it both ways.
Hell I wish I could still get high sometimes..But when theres no methadone you go thru that roller coaster of being fixed/sick every few hours...and the cost of heroin is outrageous..plus theres cops etc etc..
I got tired of all that shit and just take my methadone and smoke weed.

[Tar_Baby]

^^You've hit the nail on the head there.^^
When you realise that a big part of your addiction IS psychological, thing are a lot easier to put into perspective and get on top of.

Also, if you're anything like me, you probably don't leave very long in between the days where you decide to score. I'll take my meth, (70ml) for a few days and think to myself, "Well, I'll just get a couple of bags..." Which is ALLWAYS dissapointing. I find that if I tell myself that I'm not going to do anything but my meth for at least a week, I find that not only am I having a nice buzz when I score, I'm also don't spend hours in the day thinking, "Should I/shouldn't I" I thoughts.

Good luck!

Hmm have you ever kicked a methadone habit? I assure you its not phsychological..I was at 170 mgs a day for 4 years and kicked and was physically ill for 7 weeks..
I find it hard to believe a methadone patient saying methadone dependance is phsychological.

[devilsdrug]

20 years ago when i was on meth maint where i was at they only gave you 80 mg max, almost everybody screwed around with coke, crank, real china white, or blaack tar and the killer of them all when mixed with methadone alcohol the only thing that saved me was prison , the rest are dead. Cut down on the done for longevity in your abuse of drugs,