Hot milk potentator

[repeek]

Am I the only one who potentates his opiates with L-triyptaphan (spelling)? At night I take a cup of milk, bring it to a boil and mix some rich chocolate to it and kick back and drink it. Within minutes I am on the nod big time, can’t even keep my head up to save my life. It is like doing three bags at once instead of one.

It sounds like “ya sure”, but I tell you it kicks my arse big time.

[red26]

It blows my mind how many things out there are decent potentiators. Milk actually has morphine in it too so I'm sure thats a big factor. and yes, I think yer the only one out there but not for long.(as far as milk is concerned)

[jacky]

yep, it is pretty much accepted by some doctors that serotonin enhancers and tryptophan can strengthen the effect of opiates.

when my internist found out I was shooting heroin again he dropped my prescription to effexor because he considered it a liability for him to provide me with that material as it could be deadly when mixed with heroin.

I did some experimentation with tryptophan powder, and 5htp, and opiates but noticed shortly that I would get ringing in my ears, and then I started actually having trouble sleeping, and get some minor panic attack. I also combined the forementioned with microgram amounts of naltrexone and opiates to try and potentiate opiate effect. it works for the most part I think, maybe to well, as I soon became sick from the combination. I think I was getting mild serotonin syndrome

[sodamnstrong]

Wow, milk and all of the H users I know do not mix milk because it is a natural DETOX. When I drink milk after popppin a bullet in my arm it makes me come down or become more straight.

[devilsdrug]

well i never ever heard that one

[azuran]

i need to try that

[jacky]

milk also contains casomorphin, a compound that is metabolized in the stomach lining into and opioid peptide like compound.
casien is a compound that is part of glutens makeup, gluten is in wheat, casien much like casomorphin turns into an opioid compound in the stomach lining.

peptide research focus's on different analogs of casomorphin/casien a also, so who knows what will be created from these compounds, perhaps future medications will use milk and wheat as sources for precursor materials?

these opioids can cause havoc it is hypothesized in young children that lack the proper enzyme levels to move the opioid compounds out of the body. some researchers find high levels of these opioids in the blood of kids with autism, and the hypothesis is that the opioid peptides replace motivational drive and learning and social seeking behaviour.

so milk can have traces of morphine, tryptophan which can cause sedation, and compounds that are metabolized/catabolized into active opioids in the body.

I always get a sleepy/potentiation effect from milk with my cereal at night. I dont eat any meat so I need some sort of good protein, but the real reason I drink that gack every night is the sleepy effect.

maybe milk clears the body of opioids like heroin quicker, as one opiophile states above they avoid mild cause of detox effect, I know that heroin is a very short acting opiate, so really you wouldnt want to help move that drug out of the body any quicker than it has to.

if you avoid mild cause of detox effect, you might want to stay away from coffee, it can contain lactones that act as OPIATE ANTAGONISTS. I can drink coffee at all anymore, cause the effect is to loosen and drop my bowels way to quickly for my comfort, though I could see this useful for people that are opiate constipated.

[insanesteveo]

i always though milk was. i used to drink huge amounts of it while on tea, and it would make me throw up. i dont remember if i felt higher or not, but it made me sick. luckily doesnt do that anymore.

so are we talking any kind of milk? 1%? 2%? whole? skim?
what type of chocolate? milk? dark? semi sweet? 60% cacao? 70% cacao?

im pretty sure chocolate by itself is a potentiator too. so the cobination would definitely be good.

[jacky]

also, milk and chocolate are great together for making opiates a little stronger.

I once did an experiment with alot of pure chocolate, and some herbs like chaste tree, bacopa, and shizandra berries, and a dose of poppy seed tea. I took the blend 40 minutes before I was off work at night.

I took at least 100 grams of pure cocoa powder in milk.

the poppy seed tea dose was normal.

by 45 minutes I threw up the mixture. proceeded to try and ride my bike home, I could barely feel my hands, it probably was the most intense analgesic effect I have ever felt beyond being shot up with M and valium for surgery. my arms seemed a mile long...and I was weaving almost in circles on my bike.
fucked up.
I made it home, and of course felt better when I could recline. that stuff really potentiated my normal opiate dose.

havnt tried the combo since, I was nodding off all night, and really dont like to be that fucked up. it was close to the first time I shot too much heroin.

some doctors have been known to prescribe naltrexone for chocolate addictions. some people complain about the habit, and doctors have found that this opiate antagonist seems to help abolish chocolate cravings. perhaps the anandamide(thc like compound) in chocolate has opioid interactive qualities like purported effects of thc/opioid interaction.

also, for years junkies have claimed chocolate calms a kick. but what type of chocolate? a hersheys bar aint gonna cut it. you need good strong chocolate folks, 70% at least, or better yet, go for the cocoa nibs.

[slugbone]

I took at least 100 grams of pure cocoa powder in milk.

i guess i'll be going to the grocery store today. thats some pretty good info jacky thanks man.

[insanesteveo]

also, for years junkies have claimed chocolate calms a kick. but what type of chocolate? a hersheys bar aint gonna cut it. you need good strong chocolate folks, 70% at least, or better yet, go for the cocoa nibs.

this is what i was going for. 70% cacao is great for you. tastes WAY diff than just a hersheys bar. more bitter. but oh so good. my mom eats 1oz. of 70% cacao and has a glass of red wine, everyday, per drs orders.

im gonna go to the store and buy a couple bars of ghirardelli. mmmmmmmm.

[jacky]

yeah, the antioxidant levels in cocoa are way higher than green tea or red wine, I think blue corn might have more than cocoa.
alkaloids, aminos in cocoa are active of course...also cocoa contains anandamide, a cannabanoid like compound. usually anandamide would be destroyed in the stomach, but some researchers think that anandamide like compounds found in cocoa actually inhibit the bodys destruction of anandamide through enzyme reduction or similiar process. the end result they think is that anandamide makes into the bloodstream.

I became sorta manic when I was consuming that much cocoa.

there are various experience reports out there by women who have used cocoa to help with pms depression.

I also noticed some increase of paranormal type of experiences when taking large amounts of cocoa, but maybe I am crazy.....

[Ickyuck]

Great thread. I love getting schooled here.

[repeek]

Yep, I figured there had to be somebody else using the combo to their delight. I get all goofy with just one hot cup of 2% and Nestles extra rich coco mix. My wife takes hydro and goes all noddy on it too.

[Ickyuck]

Ya know, it could just be wishful thinking/placebo effect, but I tried this last night with 240mg of codeine and actually felt it. After this past week of usage, that mg amount shouldn't feel like crappington. In fact I took more a day before and didn't feel anything. So I'd like to say it works... but then again my stash has run out, and I'm trying to play it cool.
Found a pill on the floor today, so now I'm drinking the milk again. For sanity's sake I'm gonna pretend its a great high!

[Papa Verine]

I was doing google searches of "Naturally occurring opioid agonist" or some similar wording and read a few interesting things on Chaste tree berry, constituents of cocoa, human tears, milk... The same wording somehow led me here for the first time too!

I always make this hot cocoa with a shit-load of cocoa powder, when I'm withdrawling and it gives me temporary relief. It also temporarily takes away the chills which are even worse here in the winter. Fuck! I hate W/D in the winter here. If I could trade seasons I'd do that over clonidine or benzos any day.

[alowishus]

I spend over a grand every yr just on milk. I'll go through a gallon in 24 hours, it's all I drink. Matter of fact I got a BIG glass now. :p

Good to know it's not just me then.

Hey I can say that's why I tested + for morphine, I drink a lot of milk.:rolleyes:

[Ickyuck]

OH still wondering....

WHOLE milk versus, say, fat free? 2 percent??

edt: Whoah. 100th post. Yay for abuse.

[Papa Verine]

OH still wondering....

WHOLE milk versus, say, fat free? 2 percent??

edt: Whoah. 100th post. Yay for abuse.

Drink whole milk! Fat free and 2% are like cut dope. Go with the pure...

If for God's sake there is morphine in it you better go with the whole!

[Ickyuck]

Drink whole milk! Fat free and 2% are like cut dope. Go with the pure...

If for God's sake there is morphine in it you better go with the whole!

Gotcha. I am hitting the grocery store, thank god its open 24/7. And it has good shite too, so maybe I'll splurge and get the "organic fed no hormone etc" stuff. And some nice chocolate too. Thanks Paps. Yeah, that makes sense.

[djnarkotik]

If you want the full effect of tryptophan you need to consume it with a carbohydrate. Tryptophan competes for absorption with other amino acids and not much gets into the brain normally. But when you have high blood sugar it clears the other amino acids and lets tryptophan pass through more effectively.

[Ickyuck]

If you want the full effect of tryptophan you need to consume it with a carbohydrate. Tryptophan competes for absorption with other amino acids and not much gets into the brain normally. But when you have high blood sugar it clears the other amino acids and lets tryptophan pass through more effectively.

Dammit, I knew I shoulda eaten those chips. Great information, thanks.

[LegalizeOpiates]

this is gonna sound crazy and i probably wouldn't believe someone if they posted this, but i woke up in the middle of the night the other night thirsty as fuck.
Head to the kitchen chug a nice big glass of milk.
keep in mind i hadn't touched any opies for a few days after haveing this happen.
and all of a sudden i'm in bed and i get that familiar warm fuzzy feeling... no fuckin shit i'm nodding off on milk?? IDK i took some Tylenol PM too don't know if that had anything to do with it. But it was a DEFINITE opiate feeling. I know this threads old but i just had to share my strange experience.

[Paregoric Kid]

I've tried milk as a potentiator, mostly for it's opioid peptides. I have also used 5-HTP as a potentiator which is better than L-tryptophan.