SWIM isn't getting good effects smoking gel...

[hitnrun]

SWIM isn't getting very good if any effects smoking gel...he is taking a drop about the size of a sunflower seed kernel and putting it on foil and heating it until it sizzles (but not until it turns brown) and inhaling all the while...he's experiencing next to no effects. He is also wearing a patch at the same time...is he doing it wrong? What's the best way to smoke fent gel?

[shaunclo]

Insaneike should be in here shortly, that guy loves his fent gel-drops on his foil more than anybody I know.

Heres to you Ike!!!:)

[hitnrun]

YAAARRR (just imagine an eye-patch and a peg-leg)...SWIM wants to get a nod! Anyone got any advice?

[insaneike]

Here is what I said in another thread on fentanyl...



Cut a lil corner off the patch, leaving the adhesive covering intact, and lay patch on a mirror. Now get a lighter or something like that and run it across the patch, squeezing all the gel out. Someone prefers to do this in about 3-4 diff 'puddles' instead o one big blob for easier dosing... now let the gel set on the mirror and dry(won't take more than an hour) and then get a razor and cut each 'puddle' into half, then cut those 1/2s into 1/2s... taking that you made 4 'puddles'... Make it into like 20 lil pieces if you have little tolerance(like if u don't need over 40mg of Oxy).

Put each lil peice(one at a time of course :P) on a piece of foil creased... now form the foil into a 'bowl' shape like y'know? make it so theres no gaps for air and vapors to escape... now get a hollowed out pen/straw/rose tube(use the rose tubes or a rolled up piece of foil unless it's not obtainable!!!!!) and then kind of form the foil around your tube... As you're not gonna be able to see the vapors from the fent gel(like oh so many think you should and thus waist it and not get high)!!! AS SOON as your lighter hits the foil START INHALING!!! Don't wait for it to 'heat up' or 'start smoking'!!! The very sec you apply heat start inhaling, and inhale vigorously up until you remove the flame, and then keep inhaling till the foil if back down to normal/touching temp!!! Seriosuly, you wouldn't beleive how many ppl don't get high simply cause they didn't do this, then when they try like this guess huh, THEY BE HIgh :rolleyes: and hold the hits as long as you can..(like 7-15secs).. Just BE CAREFUL and don't over do it man!

Smoking fentnayl is like the crack of opiates, i swear! It's intense as hell and it doens't last very long(1-4hrs depending). :D

Have fun and be careful man! and this is just the hands down best and only way to use fent... oral, sublingual, and transdermal use is more sedating than euphoric, and not very recreational in my opinion. Now smoking it, whoooo, I'd asume have a foil of fent than an IV morphine shot... I also prefer it over street dope(tho it doesn't have a damn thing on kill dope!!!! hehe!).

later

[insaneike]

OK, seeing as you're smoking pieces as big as sunflower seeds and not getting effects, you're obvisouly doing something wrong man! You could be not burning it enough? Someone holds the lighter to the foil pretty much until it's all vapd up and removes flame like right before the 'hit' is finished off... also you could be not even inhaling the vapors altogether lol. Hey, it's happened to ppl before...

Try making the 'bowl' shape around your tube to ensure u get all vapors, and only put one puff into the foil each hit. Take it all at once. Inhaling hard too, and keep inhaling until the foil cools down enough to touch without being burnt; ensuring u inhaled all the vapors.

Also like I said in above quote hold in hits as long as you can, the longer the better!
or u could even have more of a tolerance than u think... just keep taking hits until u feel it, as if you're doing it right you WILL feel it, and u will feel it good :p

Theres this other dude from another site I helped, as he was also saying he wasn't feeling shit from smoking it. His problem was he 'couldn't see any smoke'. You will NOT see the vapors from fent, even if u smoke half the patch at once I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see any smoke or vapors! remember these are micro gram doses(unless u very tolerant :P).

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[moviebuff927]

OK, seeing as you're smoking pieces as big as sunflower seeds and not getting effects, you're obvisouly doing something wrong man! You could be not burning it enough? Someone holds the lighter to the foil pretty much until it's all vapd up and removes flame like right before the 'hit' is finished off... also you could be not even inhaling the vapors altogether lol. Hey, it's happened to ppl before...

Try making the 'bowl' shape around your tube to ensure u get all vapors, and only put one puff into the foil each hit. Take it all at once. Inhaling hard too, and keep inhaling until the foil cools down enough to touch without being burnt; ensuring u inhaled all the vapors.

Also like I said in above quote hold in hits as long as you can, the longer the better!
or u could even have more of a tolerance than u think... just keep taking hits until u feel it, as if you're doing it right you WILL feel it, and u will feel it good :p

Theres this other dude from another site I helped, as he was also saying he wasn't feeling shit from smoking it. His problem was he 'couldn't see any smoke'. You will NOT see the vapors from fent, even if u smoke half the patch at once I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't see any smoke or vapors! remember these are micro gram doses(unless u very tolerant :P).

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Right on the money...ike's right...make sure you're inhaling hard enough!

[hitnrun]

Thanks, he says he'll give that a try!

[insaneike]

Coolio man, lemme know how it goes... and remember, it will kick in as soon as u exhale if you're doing enough(like crack haha!), so keep taking 'hits' till you're floating around with that nice fent rush:cool:

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[devilsdrug]

are u drying it first thats the method from superman that work

[HistoryofMadness]

man I just chew those bitches wastes less (especially b/c you can't really fuck up) and I really don't see how you could get a whole lot higher from smoking as you can from chewing...

[superman]

are u drying it first thats the method from superman that work

yeah for sure dd that would help. I've tried smoking gel but it doesn't work well. when you consider that before drying the mass of material is about 50 times greater than what you have after drying, then that mean that you will need 50 times as much heat in order to vaporize all the material.

with flakes, start sucking through the straw, give a quick burst of heat while sucking, then in just a split second while you're sucking hard you get the hit. you may be sucking hard for 5 seconds, but the the actual vaporization and inhalation of the hit takes just a fraction of a second. this makes it much easier to smoke because it gives you a larger window of opportunity.

Before i got into evaporating these down to flakes, i would just add the gel to a vial and dilute to double the volume for a solution that is easily dropped under the tongue. expect more nausea this way though

[insaneike]

Yeah, like I said in my original post, squeeze the gel onto a mirror and let it evap... this wont take but an hour.

and back when someones tolerance wasn't as fucked up(back when a single Roxi 30 would have them blown) they kinda prefered smoking the fent gel as is(wet). Cause it burned slower and didn't 'burn' up like that thus less chance of loosing the vapors.

THough I DONT recomend that, i mean u can but it's best to do like i said in the orig post/quote of mine...
seriosuly, do exactly how i described and you WILL get effects unless you do something wrong or don't get most of the vapors... if u don't keep smoking bits till u feel it
. waiting about 30sec between 'hits'.

Hope all goes well :D god, now I want more fent!!!!!!

later

[veovis]

Ike mentioned making a nice bowl out of the foil so it's easier to capture all the vapor. I would go a little further than that, myself. When I was doing this (and oh, how I miss doing it), I would actually fold up the foil into a little cylinder around the straw, almost closing it off at the non-straw end and then bend it downwards a little. Make sure you don't completely seal it, because you need to be able to get enough air flow to drag on, obviously. This would ensure that no vapor was lost. I dunno if it makes all that much difference, but it sure seemed to for me, so maybe it's worth a try.

Also, I would vaporize it relatively slowly, with the flame well below the foil at first so as not to immediately combust it. But then I'd slowly bring the flame closer to the foil so that I would be left with a little brown/black spot if I opened the foil back up. I would assume that if you don't brown it a bit, then you are likely not getting much of the actual fent. You might just be vaporizing the additives in the gel and leaving the fent behind in a little clear spot still on the foil. Keep the flame on it, and as was already said, inhale the whole time. Even start inhaling a tiny bit just BEFORE you put the flame on it.

Be careful, though. If you aren't getting much fent from your method now, if you follow the advice you got here, you may get more than you were expecting. The amount you described sounds like a lot, and it's very easy to use too much fent. I would recommend you test our advice using LESS than what you have been using. When I would do it, I would only use about as much as a match-head's worth of gel and that was plenty. Albeit, I didn't have a high tolerance when I was doing this, but I did have some. Best of luck.

[hitnrun]

Should this have better or worse pronounced euphoric/sedative effect if wearing a patch while doing it? If SWIM were to remove his patch for a day or so and ONLY smoke the fent, would it produce a more profound change of state? SWIM is doing the new method and seems to be getting something, but he went through a whole 75ug patch last night and only got a mild buzz the whole time...

[insaneike]

If you do it right the effects will be better than IV morphine dude... theres a mod from another forum(about drugs lol) who agrees... so it's not just me lol. It should be better than IV morphine or regular street ope(it wont wont be as good as kill dope at all!!!) when smoked... it should knock the HELL out fo wearing them! I don't rlly get any euphoria from oral/sublingual/transdermal fent, but when smoked.... mmmmm :D

It's equiv to IV morphine to me, but better in a differnet way... so, i dont know what to tell u aside from what I done have! and I only get the 2.5mg patches, had the 5mg ones a few times, the 5mg(50mcg/hr ones will last me 2 whole days of using just the fent(smoked)... and I have a pretty decent tolerance too(around 60-90mg oxy and 30-60mg of methadone and give or take some lortab/percs a day and like half and recently I've not been using the fent daily) so... hell beats me man lol

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[hitnrun]

SWIM was using 320mg oxy + some percs here & there daily. Snorted a whole 80 to get high...needed at LEAST 3/4 of one 80 to feel anything at all...maybe that's why...should he smoke more in each hit? How would you compare the volume of flakes he should use?

[160mgsAday]

yah guys, i've never got good effects from smoking fent gel either. My buddy, who swears it is the best way to do it was the one who helped me smoke it and hes done it for 2 years, and i didn't feel a thing.
ive tried it atleast ten times and just got mild buzzes that last maybe a half hour tops. I like eating the gel. The first time i ever ate it i ate half of a 75 mcg patch, and no, im not sure how im alive. After being sick and nodding out for 3 days almost, i realized never to eat more that a milligram of the shit at atime. Shit is a great high, but you gotta be careful man. Shit is powerful, hella concentrated, something like 4000 times the power of morphine i beleive. Be careful, wouldnt want to lose any of you guys to a fent overdose. I like the pops, but id say to stick with the oxy, morphs, or h. always faithful, you know your tolerance and know what you are getting.
peace,
hope i kinda helped

peace knuckas,
160mgsAday

[insaneike]

SWIM was using 320mg oxy + some percs here & there daily. Snorted a whole 80 to get high...needed at LEAST 3/4 of one 80 to feel anything at all...maybe that's why...should he smoke more in each hit? How would you compare the volume of flakes he should use?


I usualy make 6 good hits out of a 2.5 patch... but I don't think my tolerance is half of what yours is. If I got enough my goal dose of oxy is 60mg (roxi 30s) chewed up and 30mg sniffed, but I gotta space them out and make em last ya know. So I usaly do 2-3 30mg doses per day instead of all at once to actualy get high(like 80% of my use is for pain btw). Though I won't really feel jack unelss I do ATLEAST 30mg, and thats not gonna like fuck me up or anything. It takes a good 90mg to catch a strait out nod. SO, i dunno. and the 2.5mg Fentanyl is equivalent to 214mg of Oxy, but much more euphoria to me(when smoked!!! i dont get shit but sedation from oral fent). but yeah, i make my 25mcg/hr aptches into 6 big chunks and smoke those.

If you want me to looks at my dose equivalency chart I can and see how much oxy a 7.5mg fent patch is equiv to...? and maybe go from there.

later

[hitnrun]

You are my savior! *bows to ike* Thanks so much, your advice has proven the best advice I've gotten about the stuff yet! Thanks!

[insaneike]

You are my savior! *bows to ike* Thanks so much, your advice has proven the best advice I've gotten about the stuff yet! Thanks!


You can thank me by flying to TN and passing that foil :D

[flipside]

See Ike, ya turned out to be a valuable member of our little community despite our rough start:D ;)

Good advice here.:)

[insaneike]

I still don't approve of ppl faking pains to get narcotics and I still think a lick over 50cent a mg for oxy is a big ass jip(50cent/mg is TOP desperat price toO!)
:angry-smi :cool::D
hehe

[sweetdreams]

i know this may be a stupid question- i take methadone 115 milligrams, but i also like to take the fent patches. am i wasting the fent by doing both? some times i feel them and then sometimes i dont? i was just curious?? i didnt know if it was all just in my head?? i was gonna try and smoke them instead of eating them. i have the 50mcg and then 100 ones .
I dont know there were also times when i had the pops and i took like 3 at a time and didnt feel a thing?? what 's up with that? that is why i want to know is this a waste? sometimes i just wouldnt take my dose and then replace the dose with the fent by then i just wouldnt be sick thats all, i wasnt gettin high or anything so i was just curious?

[hitnrun]

I've read that methadone can block the effects of other opiates. This is one of the reasons they use it for detox & rehabilitation. Heroin users feel less of an effect from their drug of choice while on methadone maintenance and this is one of the reasons that it is one of the only drugs approved for detox. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you are wasting the fent if doing methadone as well.