Do all benzos prevent memory formation?

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

I had a procedure done on my neck about 2 weeks ago (which actually made my headaches worse), and they started off by giving me 2mg of midazolam. I didn't much feel it so he pushed it up to 3.5mg. I DID feel that, but after he started the injections on my neck I was absolutely SCREAMING in pain. I bitched and bitched that he better give me some more meds to make this shit tolerable. Well the next thing I remember is him saying "look, I'm going to give you a little more, but you need to learn to deal with the pain better, cause it's going to be there forever". After that everything goes black and I remember waking up 2 hours later with some nurses standing over me, and I'm all smiling and happy and whatnot and when I asked where I was and why I couldn't remember anything, one of the nurses told me I had gotten unruly during the procedure so the doc ended up giving me 7mg of versed. I was unaware that benzos made it hard to remember stuff, but try as I might, I can't remember a damn thing after the doc told me to "deal with the pain better". Anyone else got any similar benzo experiences?

[Papa Verine]

There are A LOT of similar experiences. Very common with Benzos. Especially that one.

[chemboy7]

Yeah man, all Benzodiazepines will mess up your memory and cause you to black out at the right dose. I have even blacked out on a normal (2 mg) dose of Xanax before. There is variation between the Benzodiazepine drugs but alot would vary from person to person which drug is worse when it comes to blackouts. Little good comes from a black out but a good blackout story... those are always the best. Esspecially when you make a complete ass of yourself and have to be reminded of it later on, if your gonna do it do it right.

[candy]

Most all benzos will cause an amnesic effect. The use of Versed is why they use it in procedures, to cause amnesia during the procedure.

Take enough of any other Benzo and you will most likely have some memory loss!

[OxyContinuously]

Midazolam is one of the most powerful benzos you can ever hope to find (or need as in surgery, etc.) but I agree with everyone else so far that the memory loss, and to a lesser degree the ataxia are present with most if not all benzos.

OxyC

[flipside]

Sound very familiar..
You were by any chance having a dicsogram??

[SpecialGuy69]

Okay so they use versed during surgery to erase your memories of it- does that mean you aren't conscious and experiencing pain, too? Or is it possible that you wake up in excruciating pain, but you forget about it? If so, then Versed has the additional benefit of being a cover-your-ass drug for docs. Especially for the anasthesiologests who are dipping in the fent bottle.

I wonder if the Versed sales reps pitch it like that: "If your patient wakes up screaming in pain, hit him with 10mg of IV versed, and he won't remember shit. Lawsuit averted"

[Ragdoll]

STD, benzos have caused me to lose YEARS of my life right straight down a black rabbit hole. Fucking SAD.

I'm sorry.

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That's yours to keep forever.

[shaunclo]

I have taken a shitload of valium before, but the only benzo that made me blackout where I had no idea what happened was temazepam. I have a very high tolerance to benzos, but I took about 200mg's of that shit and was doing all sorts of stuff that I was told about the next day.

[flipside]

Okay so they use versed during surgery to erase your memories of it- does that mean you aren't conscious and experiencing pain, too? Or is it possible that you wake up in excruciating pain, but you forget about it? If so, then Versed has the additional benefit of being a cover-your-ass drug for docs. Especially for the anasthesiologests who are dipping in the fent bottle.

I wonder if the Versed sales reps pitch it like that: "If your patient wakes up screaming in pain, hit him with 10mg of IV versed, and he won't remember shit. Lawsuit averted"


Pretty much, but the memories still sorta hang with you. You just aren't quite able to trust your own memory.

[euphoria2002]

Chemboy, I have some Xanax that I keep as an alternative. They are the 1 mg "purple bombs". Was thinking about doing a couple this weekend instead of the usual thing. After reading your comment about memory loss, I'm having second thoughts.

Did you take the 2 mg in a single dose? Or was that spaced out (no pun intended) over a period of time?

Euph2002

[AWOL]

I'm not sure, I don't remember.

[euphoria2002]

Hahaha.... mister comedy! Who knew?:D

Euph2002

[405FREEWAY]

Versed is a very strong benzo, very high up on the ladder, and usually not found outside doctor/hospital settings. A normal IV dose for a patient is around 1 mg, 2.5 mg is is considered to be a high dose, and this is the limit most doctors try to stay around. Now of course, every situation/patient is different, but he ended up giving you 7mg, thats quite a bit!!. Most every person in the world would blackout from this dose, so its not surprising that you have memroy loss and dont know what the fuck happened.

[OxyContinuously]

Chemboy, I have some Xanax that I keep as an alternative. They are the 1 mg "purple bombs". Was thinking about doing a couple this weekend instead of the usual thing. After reading your comment about memory loss, I'm having second thoughts.

Did you take the 2 mg in a single dose? Or was that spaced out (no pun intended) over a period of time?

Euph2002


An anxiety killing dosage of alprazolam is anywhere from 250 mikes (.25mg) up to 2mg depending on tolerance and medical conditions, etc. In other words, someone suffering from Panic Disorder may be instructed to take 2mg two or three times per day, and that's good for them. For someone not suffering from that, 6mg a day would be stupor inducing with syncope (fainting) For "normal" generalized anxiety, a dose of .5mg to 1mg usually twice a day (ie. one mg in the morn and one more mg at night separated into two doses) seems to work just fine, without too much of the drowsiness and memory loss problems.
I have a lot of experience with Xanax and i would say that you should take 1mg to start with. It'll do ya right. With Xanax, I have found that "less is more." Unless you have a larger than average tolerance, taking a stick (2mg) at once may be a little too much. You can always go higher if not satisfied, but if you fuck up and take too much, you can't go back and take less. Know what i mean?

OxyC

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Sound very familiar..
You were by any chance having a dicsogram??

Some sort of nerve block.

[flipside]

Chemboy, I have some Xanax that I keep as an alternative. They are the 1 mg "purple bombs". Was thinking about doing a couple this weekend instead of the usual thing. After reading your comment about memory loss, I'm having second thoughts.

Did you take the 2 mg in a single dose? Or was that spaced out (no pun intended) over a period of time?

Euph2002


Hey Euph if u don't have a benzo tolerance I would take 1/2 of that purple bomb. With xanax the memory loss is pretty short term kinda fleeting as long as u don't do a massive amount and mix with ETOH, you shoulld be fine. just make sure you don't have to work the next morning just in case.

Some sort of nerve block.

Still sucks,, hope it worked for you though?

[applesauce]

Ativan is also used to chemically induce amnesia, both oral and I.V. Midazolam (Versed is the liquid injectable form of midazolam) is used to completely incapacitate someone prior to minor surgery. It is probably used as part of a regime that includes pain meds. Injectable Ativan is used to calm someone down FAST and bring a total halt to anxiety and extreme panic.

Both 7.5 mg and 15 mg midazolam tablets, and also ampules of Versed liquid, are available from many standard IOP sources.

Ativan (lorazepam) is available in pill form up to 2.5mg, but I've never seen the liquid form in any Online Pharm inventory.

For the record, midazolam tablets are used as hypnotics to induce sleep. They are very short acting, so they have no hangover the next morning. Midazolam has very poor oral bioavailability, but Versed is VERY dangerous. It is one of the few benzos that can easily kill a person. So midazolam = good sleeping pill with no hangover, Versed injectable = VERY powerful benzo experience that can be fatal if you aren't careful.

[skeletontea]

Pretty much. A friend of mine refers to taking benzos as "time travel" because you blink and all of the sudden it's tomorrow.

[euphoria2002]

OxyC and Flipside,

Thanx for the feedback.

I'd have to say I've got very little tolerance the ANY benzos, thanks to my infrequent use of same. The last time I had some Xanax laying around, it was 10 or 15 of the orange 0.5 mg ones..... and those lasted for several months.

I tried 1 whole P-bomb on sunday night, took it with a beer. Wow! that was the most relaxing beer I've had in a long time! Sooooo, my idea was to do a substitute. Instead of oxy's or pod tea, I could just take a couple of X's and relax. That would have the additional benefit of keeping my Opi-tolerance from getting any worse.

Then I read about memory loss. My thinking is that the usual variables apply. Empty stomach vs full, whole tab vs crushed powder, all at once or 2 hrs apart.... etc.

I'll take one, wait an hour to estimate the effects..... then redose if necessary.

I'll let you all know how it goes, should be fun.

[applesauce]

Just be careful, benzos, particularly short-acting benzos like Xanax, can have a very sharp hook of their own. That "very relaxing" feeling can become physical need surprisingly fast. There are plenty of people who eat handfuls of 2mg bars a day. Check out benzos.org.uk if you haven't already.

Xanax is also synergistic with opiates, they potentate one another.

Xanax is pretty safe by itself, it is kind of difficult to overdose on it, but mix it with opiates and especially with EtOH, and it could push someone over the edge.

[chemboy7]

Chemboy, I have some Xanax that I keep as an alternative. They are the 1 mg "purple bombs". Was thinking about doing a couple this weekend instead of the usual thing. After reading your comment about memory loss, I'm having second thoughts.

Did you take the 2 mg in a single dose? Or was that spaced out (no pun intended) over a period of time?

Euph2002

Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short and it look's like everyone already answered your question... but what the hell. 2 mg a Xanax is nothing to me, very mild buzz (if you want to call it that) and it helps my anxiety. The 2mg bars are the strongest dose of Alprazolam that are prescribed and for a non-tolerant user would probably be a good dose with the possibility of memory loss. The higher the dose, the more of a chance that you are going to blackout, my point was that in rare instances even small doses can do it.

[mica]

The first time I used benzos was on my 21st birthday. A friend (female) who is a psychiatric nurse decided to slip a crushed 7.5mg midazolam tablet in my drink even though I was wasted on alcohol already. The last thing I remember was feeling nauseous, sitting at a table in my garden at 2am, then I was in the shower and then vomiting in a bucket in my room. I thought I'd been sick on my self and passed out. Instead I'd made it to a tree to vomit, proceeded to climb it as there was a rusty old bike in it for some reason. Got down and began a food fight (which explained what happened to my birthday cake), cursed at a boring neighbour (only a few months older than me but he may as well be an OAP) who complained about the noise. Then I flashed him cause I thought I was being dared to do it and told him that it was the only time he'd ever see breasts for real in his life. Then the psychiatric nurse (my flatmate) dragged me inside. I've been told this by a couple of ppl and they have photos :( It wasn't until a few days later she admitted she'd put the midazolam in my drink and told me what I actually did. I think I was actually proud of my celebrations.

[AWOL]

The first time I used benzos was on my 21st birthday. A friend (female) who is a psychiatric nurse decided to slip a crushed 7.5mg midazolam tablet in my drink even though I was wasted on alcohol already. The last thing I remember was feeling nauseous, sitting at a table in my garden at 2am, then I was in the shower and then vomiting in a bucket in my room. I thought I'd been sick on my self and passed out. Instead I'd made it to a tree to vomit, proceeded to climb it as there was a rusty old bike in it for some reason. Got down and began a food fight (which explained what happened to my birthday cake), cursed at a boring neighbour (only a few months older than me but he may as well be an OAP) who complained about the noise. Then I flashed him cause I thought I was being dared to do it and told him that it was the only time he'd ever see breasts for real in his life. Then the psychiatric nurse (my flatmate) dragged me inside. I've been told this by a couple of ppl and they have photos :( It wasn't until a few days later she admitted she'd put the midazolam in my drink and told me what I actually did. I think I was actually proud of my celebrations.

Mica is a 12 year old kid that's full of shit. See here for example. http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4858&page=9

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Mica is a 12 year old kid that's full of shit. See here for example. http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4858&page=9


I was a bit put off by the 7.5mg midazolam TABLET. I didn't even know you could get midazolam any other way besides IV or transbuccal (sp) for severe siezure patients. Besides that, 7.5mg versed + alcohol, most likley would kill all but the most extrememly tolerant benzo users. Nice try pal, but nobody's buying it around here.

[SalvationThroughDilaudid]

Just read that post. You guys know I'm really a cyborg right? I'm a super high powered time travelling ninja robot cop, who's powered by a 5 gallon tank of dilaudid, sent back in time to stop politicians from pouring experimental high priced pesticides on nearly unkillable weeds (like poppies) in afghanistan. Or not...hehe trolls be funny

[youwonhundred]

Pretty much. A friend of mine refers to taking benzos as "time travel" because you blink and all of the sudden it's tomorrow.

Ain't that the truth.