New PNG...Worth it???

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Anyone with PNG experience, please post your opinions. I am very curious about this new extract because I require a high kratom dosage due to my opiate tolerance being sky high. I heard the PNG was very potent and was wanting to get opinions from the opiate veterans. Thanks in Advance.

HMSO

[tptptp]

Dont know what extract you're referring to but if its a kratom one, chances are its crap, get the WHOLE LEAF!

[OhJoy]

I'm not sure about this either. I've wasted $ b4 trying to find something more potent. I always go back to the one source I trust.

[AWOL]

What is PNG dude?

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

What is PNG dude?

PNG is Kratom New Guinea 20x Extract. The P stands for Papua.

This is how it is described at a reputable vendors site...

"Imagine the farthest reaches of Papua, New Guinea. Imagine the tribal people. Imagine the genetic isolation of this dark, unexplored area. Now imagine that there is a brand new form of Kratom that comes ONLY from there. NOW imagine that this new product is put through a purification and standardization process to create a potent, pure extract! THIS IS THAT PRODUCT!
This PNG Kratom promises to be unlike anything you have seen yet! It is without a doubt, the greatest thing to ever happen to Kratom. I cannot overstate my excitement about this product! From the farthest reaches of New Guinea, this is from a region that few people have been to. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE LIKE THIS ON EARTH. However, it is going to initially be available in extremely limited quantities for its introduction into the market. So don't put it off or you might miss out completely!"

[tptptp]

Thats from iamshaman, right? Well I tried their almost double cost red vein korth stuff and that shit sucked horribly. Their extracts suck too. Their regular commercial leaf is really good. I doubt the png is any good. Not because its from iamshaman, I think they are top notch, but extracts just suck, no way around it.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Well, the place I saw it was actually from The Kratom King(TKK). Haven't tried it yet, but you may be right. I don't hear a lot of positive things about extracts.

[tptptp]

Iamshaman sells that too, I wonder if kratom king just buys off of them...or vice versa? iamshaman seems to be like a mega supplier, they have a few affiliates under them with a mock up site with their products on it and give them a cut or something...that could be it.

Commercial leaf is the only way to go.

Wow actually it looks like iamshaman might be buying from TKK(tkk's prices are cheaper), I'll def have to check them out!

[jacky]

there is only ONE kratom extract that I think has benefit over the whole leaf.

it is super fine powder, with a standardized amount of 7 hydroxy mitragynine...about 1% to my knowledge. someone said it was 7%, but that would make 70 milligrams of 7 hydroxy per gram....and there is no way that is going to happen for 5$ a gram.

basically it is 10 grams of kratom to the gram, and then the added 7 hydroxy.

this papua new guinea kratom sounds like just another sleazy push. why would this kratom be any better than other kratom? do they have some chemical data to support this claim? probably not. just another company that only sells kratom. big fucking deal in my opinion. I cant stand companys that just sell 1 product like kratom or salvia....BORING.

there are other herbs in papua new guinea I am interested in though...perhaps I will contact the people responsible for this kratom material...the plant is called agara...and it shows potent nmda antagonist effect I think. it was outlined recently in the entheogen review.

it is good to hear that more and more kratom stashes are being tapped....the company that controls 90% of the kratom trade is getting sloppy and taking alot of time to fill wholesale orders. they also make the minimum order for americans at 17,000$ instead of the rest of the world that can buy it for 500$...PAH, or psychoactive herbs owns shamanic wholesale...and they will take your 20,000 grand for an order, and then make you wait for weeks without even an email of confirmation.
once that company is no longer the main man in town, I will be much happier.

I think the tree might make it over winter in san diego...my plants are tolerating 40 degree to 60 degree temps this winter,....in a grow room.

[jacky]

Iamshaman doesnt buy shit from the kratom king....iamshaman is one of the bigger companies out there, kratom king is a tiny company comparatively.

the malay kratom is smuggled out of the country in no more than 10 kilo shipments, through the general mail....

thia kratom is smuggled the same way from the southern part of that country, where kratom can be found for alot cheaper than over here in the local markets. I have heard reports of laborers being provided with piles of kratom for daily chewing at various factories in southern thialand. for some reason kratom is sold openly in southern thialand, up north apparently it is underground.

the bali suppliers claim they have over 500 employees, but I have never seen proof of a real plantation. I suspect that they get kratom from all over smuggled into bali, as well as have a growers co-op going. and further mystery...they ship from hong kong, not bali...why? is kratom being grown in china? if so that would be very good for the kratom trade.

I know that burma and some other countrys have natural mitragyna stands.

I still dont get why kratomking claims that this stuff is like nothing else in the world....why? because it is from png? that hardly warrants a seperate catagory. alkaloid variation can be very different from source to source, so if there is a difference....why not pay for an analysis to make claims?

the kratomking I am sure are a nice bunch of people, but the website is so damn cornball. and the kratom incense capsules are stupid. either sell it as a dietary supplement and take your chnances(not a bad idea for the future though) or sell it loose, putting incense in capsules just dont make sense.

[tptptp]

You're right after posting I realized that tyhey probably both buy from the same source rather than froim one another. the PNG claim at TKK is about the same as iamshaman, maybe they are just using the advertisement info that their supplier gave them to use, I dunno.

[tptptp]

the kratomking I am sure are a nice bunch of people, but the website is so damn cornball. and the kratom incense capsules are stupid. either sell it as a dietary supplement and take your chnances(not a bad idea for the future though) or sell it loose, putting incense in capsules just dont make sense.

Makes sense to me as to why they don't market it as a supplement. Not only would they need to worry about lawsuits from customers but possibly LE messing with them. If you are running a business why do anything that might even have a remote chance of jeopardizing your business? You're right about it not making sense to have incense in capsules but they are just trying to cover their ass, whether or not it will cover their ass is another story, but its definitely better than saying hey eat this shit, and then sue us because we told you to eat it....

[Curio]

the png is NOT as strong as tkk's 15 x extract///
swim told me and has some more 15 x coming tomorrow