First Time Kratom Exp Today!

[Sumocat]

Just wanted to share a quick report on my first Kratom experience. To simplify, I'll lay everything out in numbered lists.

First, the specifics:

Dose: Roughly 5-6 drops of the 5X 'full spectrum' extract in some iced tea.

Food: Very light meal about an hour before dosing.

Pre-Kratom State:Was feeling 'so-so'. A little bit slowed own from anti-depressant withdrawals and night o' drinking.

The Good:

1. No nausea

2. Started feeling a bit more clam/relaxed within 30 minutes.

3. Slight elevation of mood.

The Bad:

*No adverse reactions to speak of thus far!

The Neutral:

1. Hoped for a bit more intensity in effects, wondering if I should've tried the leaf/powder, instead.

2. Just the slightest bit of heaviness in the limbs, a little off-balance.

3. Mood elevation was just enough to be noticeable, but not at all euphoric.


Conclusion: My next experiment will involve the actual plant material, rather than the extract. Could be that my body chemistry is different, but the extract just doesn't seem as potent as one would expect it should be.

[Papa Verine]

I wonder if you should've tried a little more than 5 or 6 drops. I was worried the first time I tried it 3 weeks ago that it wasn't going to be strong enough so I ate about 10 grams. I was very satisfied! I almost vomitted but I wouldn't have cared if I did.

[OhJoy]

I haven't had any luck with the extracts. I get really good effects from the super premium superfine thai.

dose: 1 table spoon in cranberry juice followed by hot tea (on an empty stomach)
energy: noticeable increase with in 15 minutes
mood: very noticeable lift
Anxiety: slight decrase
duration of effects: 5 hours

[tptptp]

Extracts are crap. Its whole commercial leaf made into tea/eaten or its a waste. I found out the hard way.

[Flagg]

Took some Kratom (SEK from Z-whatever) for the first time today and it has now been 45 minutes. I have consumed 2 teaspoons in tea and am still smoking one teaspoon.

At 45 minutes, I am experiencing a pleasant high, comparable to something I used to do last year. Am enjoying this but wondering how long it will last.

Aphex Twin's Ambient Works is sounding be-a-utiful.

I will keep updating real-time if I don't nod off. http://www.kratomforum.com/images/smilies/lmao.gif

[Sumocat]

I've gotta agree that the extract is crap. I kept experimenting with it to no avail. One thing I did notice, though, is that the bottle says "4-5 DROPPERFULS", but I was only putting in 4-5 drops! I tend to be overly cautious.

Anyway, I just dumped about 1/3 more of the bottle into my drink here. Not expecting much, but I'll report back if it actually does anything.

[Flagg]

Took 7g of 600/25 super powder today and Apocalypse Now was amazing on it. I did feel a little dysphoria and pressure-headache when all was said and done, but a few fioricet took care of that. I nodded for two hours.

Not sure how I feel about that much at one time. I think next time I'll do half and see if anything comes.

[azuran]

I need to get ahold of some actual leaves one of these days, all I've tried is the extracts and they haven't been too great, just made me want real opiates more :P

[skeletontea]

Extracts are crap. Its whole commercial leaf made into tea/eaten or its a waste. I found out the hard way.

I have yet to try kratom, but that was certainly my experience with kava kava. I tried an extract that said "Take 30 - 90 drops." Nothing came of it. I gradually tried more, to no avail. I tried raw powder, and it was fantastic, so I tried the extract again (half a bottle, then 45 minutes later, the rest). My results,....nothing. :(

With kratom, I'll definately try whole leaf. Given your recommendation, and my past experience with other extracts.

[tptptp]

I have yet to try kratom, but that was certainly my experience with kava kava. I tried an extract that said "Take 30 - 90 drops." Nothing came of it. I gradually tried more, to no avail. I tried raw powder, and it was fantastic, so I tried the extract again (half a bottle, then 45 minutes later, the rest). My results,....nothing. :(

With kratom, I'll definately try whole leaf. Given your recommendation, and my past experience with other extracts.

Kava Kava works, its just mild, you defintiely arent gonna feel buzzed on it...now the kava extracts may suck....dunno there. I think any amount where you do get a real strong effect is going to be damaging to the liver etc.

Hmm, I just re-read the thread and you said some kava was awesome? thats interesting now im curious, where did you get it from and di you take alot more than suggested?

[skeletontea]

I want to respond to your question, but at the same time I don't want to hijack this thread by going off topic. It would be great if a mod could turn tptptp's question and my response into seperate thread.

I would just PM, but this is fairly important info. It turns out the hepatoxins appear to be in the stems and leaves (which are commonly used in extracts.) Powder made from the roots (which is what I used) is not supposed to be damaging to your liver. Though I believe heavy use can still be damamging to the skin. I don't remember my doseage for the powder as it was a couple of years ago. But it was enough to feel like a bit of hydro (or what hydro feels like to me), and a weak benzo. Check Erowid.

Edit: It was purchased from a local herbalist. Strange though, he had it in big mounds and asked if I wanted to taste it first (as if he were the Tony Montana of kava.) Then he asked if I was interested in any other "shamanistic herbs." He just seemed like a dealer of legal drugs, and something in him reminded me of every street dealer I've ever met.) Totally not worth the price however.

[OpiBli$$1988]

Skel i may be wrong but im almost 99% positive that hepatoxins are also in the "Root Bark"...the outer layer of the root. I believe natives who use kava always remove the outer layer of bark to reduce the risk of harm to the body. AND correct me if im wrong again but i belive online vendors dont remove that outer layer of bark, so ya i would say its dangerous. Im gunna try some tho, n get some milk thistle to prevent liver damage (i think thats what milk thistle does lol). Ill also be gettin some kratom w/ it n will report on how it goes in a few weeks when i get my paycheck.

[tptptp]

I want to respond to your question, but at the same time I don't want to hijack this thread by going off topic. It would be great if a mod could turn tptptp's question and my response into seperate thread.

I would just PM, but this is fairly important info. It turns out the hepatoxins appear to be in the stems and leaves (which are commonly used in extracts.) Powder made from the roots (which is what I used) is not supposed to be damaging to your liver. Though I believe heavy use can still be damamging to the skin. I don't remember my doseage for the powder as it was a couple of years ago. But it was enough to feel like a bit of hydro (or what hydro feels like to me), and a weak benzo. Check Erowid.

Edit: It was purchased from a local herbalist. Strange though, he had it in big mounds and asked if I wanted to taste it first (as if he were the Tony Montana of kava.) Then he asked if I was interested in any other "shamanistic herbs." He just seemed like a dealer of legal drugs, and something in him reminded me of every street dealer I've ever met.) Totally not worth the price however.

Yah I remember reading something about the roots, thanks for the info.