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[wafflehead77]

Whats up everyone. As I am new to the forum, this is my first post. So I went to the dentist this morning to have a tooth extracted. The pain leading up to this procedure has been unbearable, and I was give 5mg oxy IR's and Norco 10's to stave off pain until the proceedure could be performed.
I have a pretty good relationship with the dentist, which is apparent from his prescribing me the two previously listed meds. He knows that I am a pharmacy student, and that I know a great deal about pharmaceuticals, so after the procedure I was telling him that the norco was upsetting my stomach, (which it was ), and the IR oxycodone was not suffice. He proceeded to hand me his PDR and say "Its your body, you know what you are dealing with, pick a med that you feel would suit your needs and ill see if I can write for it. I instantly said "Ive heard dilaudid works quite well for pain, so could I get 4mg dilaudid? He actually agrreed to my suggestion, and I walked out with a prescription for 24 4mg dilaudid. This is coming from a dentist who rarely prescribes tylenol w/ codeine. Needless to say, I was on Cloud 9! Man, I wish all prescribers were this compassionate. Sorry to be long winded, but I was thrilled and needed to tell someone other than my girlfriend who is weary of my intentions.

[AWOL]

Welcome. Cool story man, you're a lucky one. I have to go to the dentist and I think the prescription part is going to be left up to me. F'in dentist.

[Papa Verine]

My God, you are a lucky one. I had an oral surgeon who was similarly cool as far as asking me what I wanted for pain but I highly doubt he'd of agreed to Dilaudid. I didn't push it that far. He did give me some 20mg oxy's though and I thought I hit the score.

This oral surgeon was also extremely thin and, well, I don't know how else to put it... He looked like a fuckin' dope feind himself. As soon as I get some more insurance coverage I'll be going back to him. I can always have something done.

[nick]

Welcome lucky one.

[oxymoron]

Damn Christmas came early for you this year:). LOVE to bang those dillies:rolleyes:

[wafflehead77]

I am very lucky indeed. I thought I had been blessed in recieving oxycodone by itself. Boy was I wrong. I was nervous upon filling the prescription as it felt as if I had commited a crime. It is indeed a very early Christmas! Something tells me this pain is going to last for at least one more script of dillies after this one is gone!

[nick]

I feel this pain could become chronic and acute lucky one.

[oxymoron]

Are you bangin em or what. Not to encourage IV use, but that's where Dillies shine:D

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

^^^Yeah, no kidding! You're a lucky bastard! Welcome buddy, I hope your good fortune lasts a long time.

[Coddfish]

that's a good thing about this site. there's always something good happening somewhere to somebody. not like having it myself, but cool nonetheless.

[wafflehead77]

Just order a rig online. I pay trice as much for express shipping as I did for the product. This will be my first time using this route of administration. I am am kind of nervous, but from what I understand, the difference is amazingly better when IV'd. I am not opiate naive by anymeans, but I will need to be careful to compensate for the cross tolerance of going from insuffilation to a parenteral route.
Also, I left out a funny part in the original story. The original script was written for Hydrostat IR 3mg (a rare preparation). I called 10+ different pharmacies, and nobody had 3mg in stock, but they all had 2,4, and 8mg. So I called the prescriber back and told him the situation. So he ended up giving me the 4mg's instead. I have never been so excited in my life! I went in with the intention of asking for D, but was expecting to settle for hydro or oxy. Man, the rush I got just from being handed the script was amazing, let alone what I am in for once my rig arives tommorow. It's killing me to not do them now, but it will be worth it in the long run.

[shaunclo]

Ohhhhh wafflehead, I know once the mind is made up.....its made up, but I would steer clear of the needle man. Once you start its all over with and you will be entering into a world where you cannot leave. I would have fun snorting those things, with that many you can get pleanty high snorting them, but once that needle enters your vein - your in for a world of shit. Just my advice

[Badly Drawn Girl]

. Needless to say, I was on Cloud 9! Man, I wish all prescribers were this compassionate. Sorry to be long winded, but I was thrilled and needed to tell someone other than my girlfriend who is weary of my intentions.

No shit! My poor mom just had all her teeth pulled and she explained to her dentist that she's on pain meds (Oxycontin and Oxycodone) and wanted the "strongest" thing he could prescribe for her pain. They gave her 7.5 mg Vicodin. And she thought that was a good thing because the pills were big. I kept telling her to call them and ask for at least percs. I couldn't believe that was his idea of strong. Gimme a break.

Congrats on the score! I'd give you a high five if I could!

[oxymoron]

dude be careful, diliies are so bitchin to shoot you could find yourself liking em way more than you planned on. I hate to hear about someone doing IV for the first time, cause I'm warning you, it won't be the last time you shoot dope, unless that is you freak out and don't follow through or miss. However if you are gonna do it, do it right be safe, ask questions if you have any. I kinda wish I had never shot dope, but I do enjoy it, I'm not gonna lie to you

[wafflehead77]

So do you guys think nasally would be the way to go if I have not gone the route of IV before? What Sub Q, IM, etc. Ive had K-4's before, and the fisrt couple sessions of snorting 4-8mg's, it was amazing. After that, the tolerance grew so quick that I couldnt get high without doing 12-18mg, and at that dosage, serious respiratory depression can set in, and I want to live to be able to enjoy my opiates. I have a moderately high tolerance, (I tae 100-140 mg of oxy or hydrocodone daily), but hydromorphone is a substance to be very careful with. Dilaudid is an extremely effective tool for pain management, but its high potency makes the ED-50 and LD-50 closer together than with other opiods.
Anyway, you guys are right. It would be foolish to wrap myself up in something that I know I wont be able to come out of. I am already pushing it with oral and intranasal use, let alone adding IV on top of that.
Thanks for the advice guys, I guess thats why boards like this exist.

P.S. Right now I have the mallie m4's, and I was wandering, if snorting, if the dilaudid brand (abbott and knoll I believe) or another generic seem to work better. I know with certain brands of oxy IR there is a big difference in the effectiveness of an equal dose between two brands due to the binding agents that are coupled with the narcotic. I plan to try to get the doc to write at least one more script before my good fortune fades, so I might as well make the most of it.
Once again I appreciate the advice. I am not saying I wont go all the way with these things, but at least there are people on this board that actually care about the well-being of their peers, and dont want to see other people go down to make them feel better about themselves. (I know people that do this).
I'm glad I joined this board, and I hope I get the chance to help others when they need advice.
Peace

[oxymoron]

The Mallies are great for snorting or IV. From what I understand the Ethex ones are the only shitty ones. You're making a good choice to not shoot em, when I suggested it earlier in this thread I had assumed you'd already gone that route. If you shoot one, you'll shoot all the rest of em you can get your hands on guaranteed. You seem like a smart level headed guy, do what you think is right:)

[wafflehead77]

Your absolutely right Oxymoron. Once I started snorting MSIR, oxy, hydromorphone,etc, I never went back to eating them. Now the only opiods I eat are those that are coupled w/ apap, asa, or ibuprofen. The last thing I need is an even more dangerous habit. Its feels good to have this board to confess to. My friends dont know that I take these pills, and my girlfriend doesnt know the extent of the problem. So it is nice to be able to ask advice without criticism.

[oxymoron]

That's what I like about this board too, you can speak your mind, and the folks here will tell you if you're about to do something possibly foolish. But at the same time even if you don't heed the advice or warnings you won't be looked down upon. How old are you by the way, just curious? Do you live in California, your location says south west?

[wafflehead77]

I live in the Phoenix Metro. Just moved out here from Illinois due to my girfriend getting a teaching job here. Im in my mid-twenties. Trying to get into Pharmacy school, (just took the PCAT, and it was a bitch), but for now I am taking chemistry and biology to soften the blow when I get into a Pharm program. At the same time, I need to make a sincere attempt to get off of opiods. Got hooked after a back injury 3 yrs ago, and I am sick of being doped-out and tired all the time. I am looking into the Suboxone program, because I cant stay off of the stuff. I can quit for a week or so, but I always go back. Im sure many people here can relate to that. But, at the same time, I dont think I want to be completely square, so I guess I just need to work on turning my everyday use into weekend use. But, until I can find the time to withdraw, (which is hard to do when you work and go to school), I will have to maintain my habit for now. On a lighter note, I just snorted 10mg's, of D, and I feel pretty amazing right now.

[oxymoron]

I live in the Phoenix Metro. Just moved out here from Illinois due to my girfriend getting a teaching job here. Im in my mid-twenties. Trying to get into Pharmacy school, (just took the PCAT, and it was a bitch), but for now I am taking chemistry and biology to soften the blow when I get into a Pharm program. At the same time, I need to make a sincere attempt to get off of opiods. Got hooked after a back injury 3 yrs ago, and I am sick of being doped-out and tired all the time. I am looking into the Suboxone program, because I cant stay off of the stuff. I can quit for a week or so, but I always go back. Im sure many people here can relate to that. But, at the same time, I dont think I want to be completely square, so I guess I just need to work on turning my everyday use into weekend use. But, until I can find the time to withdraw, (which is hard to do when you work and go to school), I will have to maintain my habit for now. On a lighter note, I just snorted 10mg's, of D, and I feel pretty amazing right now.

Right on 10mg of HM will git r done:)

[HistoryofMadness]

Man, welcome, and please project some of your luck to me!

As for dillies, I love 'em, but if you go to the points, this good luck may actually be some really bad luck in hiding. That bitch is a great lover but a terrible life partner. And its like a vampire: once you get The Bite, you're her's eternally.

Not saying you'll never be able to quit... hell, you may get those, do them, and never look back. But if you're into pharmacy or pharmacology, and you get smitten, you will fovever regret.

You may be able to quit, but you will never be able to forget.

Just consider yourself lucky, snort some of them, learn the "back door" method of ingestion (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=3337&highlight=enema), partake of some potentiators (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=3363&highlight=potentiators), a beer or so, and live and love it.

[wafflehead77]

If I had the power to share my good fortune, I surely would. Do unto others, right. I do have one friend who has never been shady, so I invited her over for a little treat! She is prescribed boat-loads of ER and IR oxy a month, but hydromorphone is on a different level enntirely.

Not trying to rub this in, but as I had mentioned in an earlier post, I said that this pain may last awile. Well, this guy obviously has no clue what Dilaudid is, because I had a follow-up with him today, and he asked how the pain was treating me, so I of course told him that it still hurts pretty bad. So, he ended up offering me more meds, to which I told him, I think 12 will be enough this time, and that I dont want to keep taking them, as addiction would soon follow. This false weariness about my concern for opiods payed off very well, as he gave me 12 more D's (4 mg), and told me that if I run out that I should not hesitate in calling him. He told me that if I am still in pain on Fri, to let him know, and he will write me a script for a full week, as he is going on vacation and didnt want me to suffer! So thus far I have recieved 36 4mg hydro's (tried the Dilaudid this time, dont see much of a difference in the D and mallie), and I have the option (which, of couse I will taking full advantage of) of getting another 12-24 of these tiny bastards.

This may be the best week I have ever had! This dentist deserves a damn award for his prescribing practice, and on top of his "loose script pad", I had the quickest, least painful dental procedure I have ever had, with no swelling or any other post-op complications. I could have easily been over medicating the pain with Motrin! But I am sure as hell not goin g to complain!

Hope others are running into good fortune, and as I said earler, if I could throw some of my luck in my peers direction, I would, because I have plenty to spare!