Kratom Encapsulation

[bi11i]

I've been encapsulating Kratom into gel-caps which weigh about .37 grams each. Starting with about seven or so twice daily, I thought 5 grams of Bali or Thai would an excellent starting point. The first few days were definitely nice and I could definitely feel the effects. A few days later and 15 pills needed to become 20 and so on.

Anyway, after 4 weeks of eating around 5 grams a day on average of both Bali and Thai, I'm definitely experiencing some mild withdrawals. Nothing too serious and nothing that can't be cured by some mild benzo usage (I should add that benzos were definitely added to the Kratom mix to potentiate - worked wonderfully.)

I'm curious to see what dosage others maintain on and how difficult a time they've had coming off.....

[tptptp]

bi11i, I am curious as to how kratom tea dosage compares to kratom eaten, like how much less do you have to eat versus drinking tea?

[bi11i]

I wouldn't think it would make any difference, other than eating the whole material would seem more beneficial than boiling into a tea....

[tptptp]

I wouldn't think it would make any difference, other than eating the whole material would seem more beneficial than boiling into a tea....

I figured you would need less because you are absorbing alot more, dont you lose a bit in the process of making tea? I've heard that people who use pods only need to eat about 60% of what they need to make tea.

[OhJoy]

I've made the tea b4 and eating it is better. I make capsules too and I take about 16 the first day and then 20 the next and so on. Mixing it in cranberry juice then having hot tea provides the best effects.

From my experience, kratom tolerance rises quicker than hydro. After 3 straight days on it, I have to come off bcause I'm eating so much, it makes me sick.

[OhJoy]

In terms of amount of kratom for tea vs eating. I'd say doesn't compare. Just take a table spoon (or two) and mix it in just and drink it. I've never gotton the high off tea the way I do by eating it. good luck

[bi11i]

I'm on day four of kicking Kratom. Not that unpleasant with some decent benzo's and not to tot my own horn, but this shit helps out immensely: http://www.phytoextractum.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12&products_id=58

[kratboy]

I'm sort of a freak when it comes to kratom (not to mention lucky). I have been eating around 6 "00" caps crammed full of comercial Bali every day for over a year and I still get nice effects. I usually take 3 at a time, wait an hour or so, then take 3 more. That keeps me in a good mood for 6-7 hours.

Im curious... Is there anyone else like me who doesn't seem build much of a tolerance with Kratom?

Unfortunately, I haven't had the same experience with other opies... :(

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

Billi.
I have been taking the Indonesian Kratom in cap form, about 10-11 at a time. Each cap being about .5 grams and I have never experienced any opiate like effects. I am on day 5 of no hydro though...could that be the problem?? It def takes away the w/d. Grateful for it. The K is from Z Electic a reputable vendor.

Thanks,
HMSO

[bi11i]

I was encapsulating Thai in 400mg capsules and taking around 15 or so a day for a month or three. Took me five days to kick, I'm still up at 2 and back to bed at 4. Not the worst kick I've ever had, though, for sure. Bearable with benzo's, should one be prescribed some....

Not familiar with Indo, tried Bali?

[chemboy7]

I seem to remember that Zoop, a fellow member, and hardcore motherfucker to boot had to switch to Suboxone after an extended peroid of Kratom usage... I believe he used the tea for quite some time, not sure which strain. If memory serves me right it he went from the hard stuff to a serious pod tea bender and he thought he would trade off DOCs and taper off the Kratom... although it didn't work out quite that way for him. I'd like to see Zoop's opinion on the matter.

[flipside]

I've been encapsulating Kratom into gel-caps which weigh about .37 grams each. Starting with about seven or so twice daily, I thought 5 grams of Bali or Thai would an excellent starting point. The first few days were definitely nice and I could definitely feel the effects. A few days later and 15 pills needed to become 20 and so on.

Anyway, after 4 weeks of eating around 5 grams a day on average of both Bali and Thai, I'm definitely experiencing some mild withdrawals. Nothing too serious and nothing that can't be cured by some mild benzo usage (I should add that benzos were definitely added to the Kratom mix to potentiate - worked wonderfully.)

I'm curious to see what dosage others maintain on and how difficult a time they've had coming off.....

I'll let you know in a few days Bili.

I just recieved 5 grams of commercial bali Kratom today and am about to try it.
But I have to do some more research as to how much of a dose to start with.
Sugestions anyone, yes I know USTMFE! I am just to sick and tired today.

[jacky]

so you are saying that the 4 herb blend is helping billi?

this material is comparable to the commercial blend called catuama that has been shown, in daily use, to create a cross tolerance with morphine.

I have thought about using this 4 herb blend as a base to add onto trying to create a similiar substance to heantos

I havnt used it to kick, but I have used both the commercial blend, and the 4 herb blend of phytos to ween off of pods, and kratom and tramadol. I cut my dose "comfortably" in half in a little over a week. I say that in quotes cause it isn that pleasant, but it was far better than doing it with nothing.

now I take this 4 herb blend every day.
it is half the cost of the catuama brand, and a different, more potent blend. and you get twice as much. it make it worth dealing with the loose powder, which I just swish around in my mouth with water.

I suggested this blend once to phyto, they researched it, and put out this product.

[HistoryofMadness]

i've noticed the same thing about kratom - seems the tolerance can skyrocket. that's why i like to take it in conjunction with an opiate if I can. go up on kratom, then down and up on PT or whatever.

i've also had very mild WD from using kratom everyday, but i wasn't using in large qty so it wasn't that bad. only took a few days.