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Snak
10-29-2013, 07:52 AM
Now, don't get me wrong... I've read through the pages on the bupe forum, and haven't really found any definitive information. I know they released a generic bupe/nalox tablet, but my question is..

...Has anybody actually been given it? I've got my sub appointment today at 1:30, and I'm trying to find the info on all of this shit, because I HIGHLY doubt I'll get him to write me for 'tex over 'oxone. & I'm broke as fuck, paying for all of this out of pocket, and as we all know, those strips are expensive as fuck.

So if anybody has any information, it would be greatly appreciated.

<3you all.

Spiderman
10-29-2013, 11:54 AM
I'm going back to the sub doc also, after several months getting them on the streets. They cost half as much here in nyc compared to the Philly price (street prices), for some odd reason I can't figure out. Must be supply and demand.

I'm going to cry and Bitch and moan about headaches, even though I don't get them. I really want to try subutex, after seeing the poll on here. 50% said the tex were significantly better, and 25% said they are better. Maybe they would work for me? Suboxone certainly has not. I crave dope pretty much 24/7 on them.

My problem with subs is they don't do shit for cravings, and they don't hold me 24 hours. I Start getting sick before sleeping, which really sucks. I refuse to dose twice a day. The taste is so bad, it's hard enough dosing once a day. I hear the tex are better, for some people, on both counts.

Last I heard, the generic subs were just as expensive as the brand name, because they needed time before the price would fall. This was a while back, maybe 6 months.

Does anyone have experience with the generic subs? I would also like to know if they are cheaper, or any info on them really. Thanks.

eukodalic
10-29-2013, 12:47 PM
You bet there is a generic suboxone tablet; I get them every month. >Maker: Actavis.
They are large round white tablets, unscored with "155" on one side and a logo on the other that looks a bit like a quarter moon. These were phased in after Reckitt Benckiser quit making their famous "orange stop signs." They tried to figure out a way to not let anyone else make a tablet, but the market is what it is and we have generic sub tablets, thank you!

The 155's are good, but not quite as smooth as the orange originals, which I feel were a bit more powerful. I've never tried the strips, or been offered the strips. Don't want them either, since the tablets can have diff ROA's. My daily dose is <4mg/day; trying to get down to 2mg

Cost wise - pretty rough without good insurance which TG I have. My paperwork tells me the full price for #60 of the 8mg/2mg tablets is $455! But I don't have to pay that fortunately. Then there's the cost of the doctor visit to get the script, which varies widely. My doc visit also comes under an insurance plan, which might change after Obama Care comes in 1/1/2014.

I'd much rather have subutex, since the nalox does give me mild headaches, but the doc said NO. I didn't press the issue. Oh, by the way, the cost of the tiny subox pills (the 2mg/.05mg) is not much less than the big sub pills. Go figure; it's the pharm companies pricing policy I guess. OK-- good luck to the OP-- hope this info helps and you get what you need.

euko

srqmoviemaker
10-29-2013, 04:03 PM
I got them from my old sub Dr. the actavis 155s, they felt the same as the strips, just seemed to dissolve quicker with a comparable taste, just not as orangey to me.

Snak
10-29-2013, 10:48 PM
All right then, it's good to know that they're available. But unfortunately? Instead of writing me the 8mg strips, the doctor wrote me a script for Zubsolv. They're bupe/nalax tablets... that are tiny as fuck.

He's only giving me one a day for now, but it's not even 8MG... it's 5.7mg/1.4mg. & instead of a nasty orange flavor, it's like a fucking tic-tac. & let me tell you, snorting them... holy fucking MINT! Shit damn near took my breath away. He scripted me 10, and I have to go back next Thursday, he gave me a Rx card for the Zubsolv that was $75 off, and I can use it 6 times before the end of the year. Without that card, the cost of #10 tablets would have been $91 and some change, but with it... I only paid $10.

& for the first time (for me) this doctor actually knew what he was talking about. He was very informed on suboxone and everything associated with it. Plus, his office visits are only $57, so I can't complain about that at ALL. But, I did have to sign a contract, which is whatever because I'm really going to give getting clean everything I've got. I REFUSE to lose my son without a god damn fight.

overall though, I can't complain. It's a big step and I'm taking it happily.

lorcetman
10-30-2013, 06:02 AM
This is what i found on zubsolv. I found ot interesting.





Corresponding Zubsolv dose going from induction
to maintenance
8 mg buprenorphine = 5.7/1.4 mg Zubsolv
12 mg buprenorphine = 8.5/2.12 mg Zubsolv
16 mg buprenorphine = 11.4/2.8 mg Zubsolv
Administration
Administration
Switching between SL tablet and SL film: Potential
for greater bioavailability with SL film than generic
SL tablets (monitor for over or under dosing)

Do not chew, cut, or swallow SL dosage form

One 5.7/1.4 mg SL Zubsolv provides equivalent
buprenorphine exposure to one Suboxone 8/2 mg




They are saying its equal to brand subs
SL

Zoops
10-30-2013, 11:50 AM
How is a 5.7mg tablet the same as an 8mg tablet? Maybe I'm missing something.

Well, I too went to see the doctor yesterday. I checked the prices for 8mg generic subutex at WalMart - only about $60. The generic suboxones at WalMart were twice that. I don't know why, maybe because the demand for subutex isn't as great?

Anyhow, I explained to the doc that I am self-pay, and that the genric 'texes are super-cheap at WalMart, but he said, "I don't like to give subutex, because they're easier to fuck around with." I said, "oh, but you can definitely still shoot suboxone too." But he won't buyin it.

So, he wrote me a scrip for 15 of the 12mg strips, to take 1/2 a day. I told him that I could get by on 4mg a day, but he said, "how about 6mg a day?" I said o.k., and I'm planning on using only a quarter strip a day (3mg/d), so I can stockpile the stuff.

I had to sell one of my rifles to my dad, with the option of buying it back after I get my "civil disabilities" (convicted felons can't own firearms) rectified. I'm also going to use some of the money to get on testosterone replacement. Ive been using Testim gel (1% testosterone topical gel) for the past 4 months, given to me by a buddy. It's great. My body looks good, despite the fact that I don't work out (except ride a bike around sometimes), and I smoke. Kinda like all those young Black dudes who sit around and play video games and smoke weed all day, yet are totally muscle-bound. I think it's from naturally high T levels.

So, that's my story and I'm stickin to it.

I was kind of disappointed that I didn't get a nice buzz off the first dose of sub. In the past, I always did. Maybe because I have a heavy PST habit right now. Anyway, it's great not to have to worry about getting seeds every day, and instead getting a guaranteed supply of narcotics. I took a whole strip just to get started this morning around 7am, went back to bed, and then woke up slightly sick, and thought, "oh shit, I didn't wait long enough" but that went away after about 45 minutes, thank God.

eukodalic
10-30-2013, 11:55 AM
This is what i found on zubsolv. I found ot interesting.


One 5.7/1.4 mg SL Zubsolv provides equivalent
buprenorphine exposure to one Suboxone 8/2 mg



They are saying its equal to brand subs
SL

Hmm, I wonder how they figure that? (Emphasis mine)
5 dot 7 is NOT 8.

Hey Static - I really like your Breaking Bad signature animation. There's our boyz Walter and Jesse, hangin' out by the Bounder, with the cook merrily bubbling away! Yeahhh!

Zoops
10-30-2013, 12:02 PM
I checked the Zubsolv monograph on the rxlist website, and there it is:

http://www.rxlist.com/zubsolv-drug/indications-dosage.htm

I guess we're stupid or something. I don't know how they can say 5.7mg buprenorphine equals 8mg of buprenorphine. It's just not logical. What's next? 2 is now 3?

Weezlediesel
10-30-2013, 02:49 PM
I made a thread about this like six months ago. I have tried them and honestly the generic pills are so much better about as good as subutex in my opinion. Only had them once, I lucked out though my doc prescribes me subutex.

zystyl
10-30-2013, 03:50 PM
Good news zoops. I hope it works out for you.

Maybe they are comparing how much bupe ends up in your system. Maybe one has a more efficient absorption rate so you end up with a higher systemic dose. Just a guess mind you.

Snak
10-30-2013, 06:01 PM
Yeah, I don't understand how 5.7 equals 8mg either. Maybe we're all just really fucking dumb. But, I will say this...

...These little tablets dissolve quick as fuck. Just as, if not a little bit faster then the strips. I've only taken one the "proper" way. I've been sniffing my doses, as I feel it works better that way. Just to show y'all how small these tablets are, I'll take a photo of them next to a coin.

& as far as the effects? I'm only sniffing a quarter of the pill at a time, usually twice a day. So I take half a tab. But a quarter sniffed keeps me well, no real complaints. Other then it feels like I'm snorting a tic-tac, or actually, a better comparison, would be an Altoid. That's how fucking minty these things are. BUT, it sure as fuck beats that orange-chemical flavor.

Edit: Thanks, Euko. I love that signature, lol.

strikks
10-30-2013, 06:19 PM
Good news zoops. I hope it works out for you.

Maybe they are comparing how much bupe ends up in your system. Maybe one has a more efficient absorption rate so you end up with a higher systemic dose. Just a guess mind you.


^^ this is what they mean...bio-availability in the dose....

IWannaBeSedated
10-30-2013, 07:03 PM
I made a thread about this like six months ago. I have tried them and honestly the generic pills are so much better about as good as subutex in my opinion. Only had them once, I lucked out though my doc prescribes me subutex.

I'm confused by this, I thought generic suboxone was subutex?

drugsforcats
10-30-2013, 07:07 PM
I'm confused by this, I thought generic suboxone was subutex?

Not the case. Generic suboxone would have the same active ingredients (ie buprenorphine and naloxone). Subutex contains ONLY buprenorphine. So... generic subs=bupe+naloxone. Hope that helps...

Mr.Apothecary
10-30-2013, 07:14 PM
Yep, the old stop sign subs were never very efficient in delivering the bupe. Some people have said that the pills sat under their tongues for 30 minutes or more, in some cases. So some of it's bound to be swallowed for less bioactivity. But it sounds like these zubsolv pills are much smaller and dissolve fairly fast. That's what makes sense to me :)

Zoops
10-30-2013, 09:18 PM
We are all assuming that what they mean is more bioavailability as compared to some unspecified other dosage form. It is significant that they don't say what other dosage form they are comparing their dosages to. If it said, "as compared to 8mg of suboxone SL tablets" then I'd be on board with that explanation. This is science, and we must be perfectly clear in what we are describing. If not, then it's careless of the company making zubsolv. I seriously doubt that 5.7mg of bupe via zubsolve tabs = 8mg in suboxone strips. What's the point anyway? Why would you be trying to sell your product as being more effective mg per mg than the competitor? That alone doesn't make your product cheaper. Because 8mg subutex generic are cheaper than zubsolve, at least at WalMart.

Snak
10-30-2013, 11:07 PM
I just remembered... I took a photo of one of the tablets that I'm getting for now. I just put it ON the penny, to show how small these fucking things are:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qjy7bq.jpg

So, as you can see... super small tablets. They're not thick at all either. I'd compare them size wise, to like... a .25mg Xanax. & when you get them from the pharmacy, they come in a "child resistant" blister pack. So it's the same basic concept as the sub strips being individually sealed, because that's how these tabs are.

I can take a photo of that, too... if anybody wants to see it? lol.

Weezlediesel
10-30-2013, 11:35 PM
The generic suboxone that I had was an orange round pill, is there another type on the market now and I'm confused I see people here talking about them only being 5.7mg as compared to the 8mg strips. Is this a fact. Also has anybody had the orange generic round pills im talking about and if so did you find them to work much better then the 8mg strips or even the old school 8mg pills

because they seemed to not only work better but give a bit of euphoria as well and no the subutex on the market now is generic they used to have a oval form of subutex that was non generic but apparently from what I have heard they are no longer on the market. The best form of bupe I have had was a liquid form that was prescribed to my cat and was perfect for shooting just a clear liquid.

Snak
10-31-2013, 06:59 AM
The generic suboxone that I had was an orange round pill, is there another type on the market now and I'm confused I see people here talking about them only being 5.7mg as compared to the 8mg strips. Is this a fact. Also has anybody had the orange generic round pills im talking about and if so did you find them to work much better then the 8mg strips or even the old school 8mg pills

because they seemed to not only work better but give a bit of euphoria as well and no the subutex on the market now is generic they used to have a oval form of subutex that was non generic but apparently from what I have heard they are no longer on the market. The best form of bupe I have had was a liquid form that was prescribed to my cat and was perfect for shooting just a clear liquid.

Okay, just to clear this up real quick, since there seems to be some confusion...

The drug Zubsolv is NOT a generic Suboxone. Zubsolv is it's own thing. I mean, yeah... it's Bupe/Nalax... but it's NOT R&B'S Suboxone! So.. yeah. Zubsolv is NOT Suboxone, or it's generic (cheap) brother.

Now, after taking this for a few days...man, if you gave me 8MG and one of these, I honestly don't think I'd be able to tell a difference.

Maybe a mod can change the title of this thread? Since what I got Rx'd, obviously isn't the generic Suboxone, lol.

Tainted
10-31-2013, 12:44 PM
theres a generic suboxone thats pink and tastes the same as the stop signs but its a circle, looks kinda like a 30mg adderal tablet. they're more expensive at the pharmacy then the strips are though, at least around where i am.

AN 415

Amneal Pharmaceuticals

http://www.thatspoppycock.com/assets/imprints/buprenorphine/an_415.png

Spiderman
10-31-2013, 01:05 PM
There is a thread on here about Zubsolv. We all laughed our asses off, because the news article or whatever about it was calling it "an ALL NEW treatment for opioid addiction". Even though it's the same old shit.

They were bragging about how it has a higher bioavailability than suboxone. That's why they are saying 5.7mg Zubsolv = 8mg suboxone.

monkey business
10-31-2013, 03:22 PM
My sub doctor had no problem scripting me Subutex after I played the "I'm way too broke to afford Suboxone" card. I literally pulled out all the cash in my wallet at the time, which was like 86$ or something, and told her that was all the money I had left for the end of the month, my insurance wouldn't cover Suboxone, I work a job that pays minimum wage on top of being a full-time student, and that if she wrote me Suboxone I'd probably just go back to using H in a month or two because it would actually be cheaper for me to do so.

It is ridiculous though, the reason why she was hesitant to write for Subutex was that "addicts can actually shoot up the Subutex pills, while the Suboxone pills have the blocker in them that prevents addicts from shooting them up". Of course we all know this is completely untrue, and I don't see how doctors don't realize this as well.

Weezlediesel
10-31-2013, 07:20 PM
apparently there is some kind of voucher you can get from you doctor for suboxone that takes like 50 off the price of the script thats what i was told by a friend of mine, but I hate suboxone does nothing for me really and the stop signs I thought were way better then the strips but even they sucked in my opinion. Can you still get the suboxone pills or are they completely off the market because up until about six months ago I could still find them on the streets

Snak
11-03-2013, 03:35 PM
As far as I know name brand Suboxone tablets are no longer being manufactured. It's just the suboxone strips now. But you can get the generics in a pill form.

eukodalic
11-05-2013, 12:00 PM
I like the idea about the Zubsolv having more bioavailabilty and less fillers than the
big white generic bupe/nalox pills that I get (the actavis 155's.) Problem is I'm in
an HMO and can only get what's in their formulary. They don't even stock the Zubsolv's
and if they ordered them specially for me, my copay would skyrocket, so probably no-go
for me. They do sound interesting and effective, from what I've read above.

Yeah Static, the old Reckitt Benckiser "orange stop sign" suboxone's are gone. The last I saw of them
was a script from March 2013. If I'm not mistaken, that company owns/owned the trade name
Suboxone. The generic bottles just say "buphrenorphine/naloxone." Hope all is well with everyone -

euko

Snak
11-05-2013, 02:05 PM
Yeah, I mean I like them so far. They're good to sniff, too. If you can stand sniffing a tic-tac. I just need to figure out how much a months worth is going to cost me. I go back to the doctor on Thursday, and I'll probably get a new script for 20-25 of them, so we'll see.

turnedwand
01-07-2014, 01:33 PM
Just had my first script of Zubsolv filled and... OMFG. MINT IN MY NOSE. OW.

They are probs way better if you take a whole 8mg strip or whatever but who the fuck does that..? I cut mine into quarters or eighths and save the other 2 strips scripted per day for a.. Rainy day?

Like above posters have mentioned,, they are super duper small (can't really change dose size unless crushing), come with a $75 coupon, are individually wrapped and harder to open than strips and, yes, come in 5.7mg doseages bcuz the "bioavail is hi-er"

edit (update): so ive had a few minutes to let everything settle in and i deffff feel better than when i did earlier which was 2 days after last sub dose.. i miss my strips already and had bomb-ass insurance getting 75/mo for free but am now starting to think they are a relic of my/the past (sadface). pretty soon theyll be popping off the corner like ogoc (for the bupe scene). i suppose i could just ask for subutex next time which hasnt been subject to any (of my) insurance company's policy changes and are also more highly sought after anyway (?).... suboxone films FTW 4evr

Narkotikon
01-07-2014, 03:03 PM
I'm not sure if I'd even want the Zubsolv. I know they say a 5.7mg Zubsolv is equivalent in terms of effectiveness to an 8mg Suboxone, but still, I'd feel like I was being cheated or something. It must have something to do with the absorption or bioavailability or something like that. Otherwise, if we're talking about buprenorphine hydrochloride, I don't see how 5.7mg could equal 8mg.

Before reading this thread, I didn't even know about Zubsolv. I used to think how bad I have it for getting the 8mg strips as opposed to the generics pills, or even Subutex (generic or brand), but I'd really feel that way if I got the Zubsolv. That would really piss me off.

normus420
01-07-2014, 03:56 PM
suboxone films FTW 4evr

imo suboxone films and the orange pills suck big time donkey dick. Nothing worse then that taste and after doing tex for so long I noticed a real toxic feel to them after switching back over to subs. I can only attribute that to the nalox. good riddance to the stop signs. would like to see naloxone banned from maint. meds all together, shits poison.

turnedwand
01-07-2014, 04:02 PM
I honestly really like the smell/taste of films/strips.. But that's me personally and I can understand how ppl hate it. And re: the zubsolv,, yea - absorption has been improved per new formulation resulting in an increased bioavailability. The flavor in Zubsolv is quite potently minty