Unisom.....what do you think??

[shaunclo]

So I have been having a hell of a time getting to sleep lately and I see these Unisom Sleep Gels - Maximum strength.

Active (and only) ingredient is Diphenhydramine HCl 50 mg.

So what are your thoughts on these little thiings. I have taken them before but only when I was getting high, so any feedback would be great. I was using benzos but after getting off those things I dont wanna start that shit up ever again.

So are they addictive, do they work, do I need like 300 mg's?

[candyshop]

dunno nothin bout unisom -just wanted to say hi

[AWOL]

I'd recomend buying the generic "benedryl" as they cost about 1/2 what you'll pay for those uni-som.


They didn't work for me, but for others I know they work great. I have to knock myself out with Seroquel, so I don't really apply. I know a lady that takes a shitload of those things to catch some sleep, probably still safer for you than taking Seroquel. And in the long run, anything you take to get some sleep will become addictive regardless of the substance. But I'm talking years. Just alters you to rely on a med for sleep for a few years, you can never really go back.

[ZodiacKiller]

I tried diphenhydramine while kicking a few times....doesn't do shit for post-opiate insommnia, I'm afraid. At least for me, anyway.

I used to take Unisom back when I was doing massive amounts of coke, and they'd usually work to bring me down from that, but most times I also had a belly full of booze, too. Booze and blow went hand-in-hand for me....almost continuously for about 20 years. I'm glad those days are over.....



ZK

[kyuss]

I'd recomend buying the generic "benedryl" as they cost about 1/2 what you'll pay for those uni-som.






And I recommend
buying the generic "PM Pain Relief"
found at any Dollar Store.
3 bucks for 50
They all contain
Diphenhydramine HCl
-Unisom,Bendryl,etc

[SpecialGuy69]

DV is right. It's so easy to take pills to make sleep come faster, but after a while, your brain gets lazy, used to being told when to go to sleep by medicine. When you stop taking sleep aids after an extended period, you get "rebound insomnia" where you can't get to sleep. And the only thing you can do for it is wait until you are so tired you just pass out.

I took ambien every night for a year, then had a fuck-up w/refills, and couldnt get any sleepers. It was 4-5 days before I got a reasonable amount of sleep. It was about 2 weeks before I fell asleep without waiting for hours.

[kyuss]

So I have been having a hell of a time getting to sleep lately and I see these Unisom Sleep Gels - Maximum strength.

Active (and only) ingredient is Diphenhydramine HCl 50 mg.


So are they addictive, do they work, do I need like 300 mg's?

and-
not really addictive
but,yer tolerance
with them will go up.
I'd start with 250mg.

[AWOL]

Is there anyway you can get a script Shaun? I know the Walmart here started doing this $4 generic med thing and there are some sleeping pills included in that list. And fuck dude, $4. I just wonder about the quality of sleep that you'll get on those things, they always made my mind race. I'm sure at around 250mg they'll get ya to sleep, but I don't know if it will be the kind of sleep you're probably searching for unfortunatly. :( I mean, I don't wanna rain on your parade, I hope to hell that they work for ya I just know how they made me feel is all and I've tried just about every sleep-aid known to man and the OTC stuff just doesn't cut it in my book. To be sadly honest with ya, alcohol works better than the OTC sleep aids.

[chemboy7]

Like ZK said if your trying to use Diphenhydramine for post Opaite insomnia it probably wont be of much help, large doses of that stuff will give you RLS symptoms too... really annoying.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

So
So are they addictive, do they work, do I need like 300 mg's?

I can't help you there but have you ever tried Melatonin? I've suffered from insomnia my whole life and the only two things that I've found that worked were that and weed.

It's not even really insomnia so much as the fact that I'm a true night owl. I get tired around 3 am and get up around 10 am. Thankfully that works with my current lifestyle. It's been an issue my whole life. No matter how much I've tried, I cannot get to sleep at a reasonable hour without sleep aids.

[red26]

Im an insomniac. I was diagnosed when I was eleven I think? So its the P.A.W.S. thats bothering you or do you jst not sleep well? I've tried pretty much everything from here to sunday and only really like to take the Benadryl for sleep(diphenhydramine). After being addicted to benzos like you not having to take something religously is a blessing.

Unisom also makes another product called Doxylamine Succinate that will knock me the fuck out, but the next day I feel like the walkin dead. I'm sure it doesnt do this to everyone so it really is worth a shot and its cheap. I'd suggest taking 2 or 3 for starters at 25mgs a tab. Maybe a combo could help too. I take this homeopathic blend called Calms Forte' that has a little moon on the packaging. This stuff really help to slow my mind down and stop it from doing that spinning thing into the next state. Maybe try it and hopefully you'll get the same results as me. I do manage to gets few hours a night with this.

Also alcohol really disrupts my rest, actually I dont get any unless I'm passed out and it takes a rediculous amout to make that happen. But yeah try to avoid booze if you can for a few and see if it has any impact.

[Powdered Love]

yeah, unisom works great for a few nights, but you'll get a tolerance pretty quick. When you have to take more you'll end up with a bitch of a hangover. Plus it really does cause RLS... like BADLY. I've never had RLS in my life, but when I take too much dyphenhydramine, my legs just go crazy and it's really annoying.

I would suggest taking the unisom only for a night or two when you really need it. You might also check out Melatonin, that shit works wonders for insomnia.

Good Luck,

-PL

[shaunclo]

Also alcohol really disrupts my rest, actually I dont get any unless I'm passed out and it takes a rediculous amout to make that happen. But yeah try to avoid booze if you can for a few and see if it has any impact.

Im right there with ya Red, I wish alcohol worked for me like it does with my buddies. They are all alchies and when I drink at ALL, I can fall asleep fast, but I wake up like an hour later with an incredible head-ache. I usually get head-aches while drinking too, it fuckin sucks.

Yeah, benzos always worked for me, but I am so over that shit - too bad too cause I got a big ol bottle of them vals left too, unless someone took them already.

I have always had a hard time to sleep, I have the night-owl syndrome shit too. Pretty much had that shit all my life. Thats why I just loved sweet lady-H, she always put me to sleep just the way I wanted to be. FUCK! I guess theres no harm in trying to down like a pack of those unisoms. I looked up the LD for those things and I think it was in the 3 pack ballpark, so I should be fine.

One of my all-time favorite things to do is to sleep , and it really sucks when I cant do it. And yes P.A.W.S is playing a big part. I still have twiches from hell, and restless leg syndrome. It just never ends....................

[chemboy7]

I still have twiches from hell, and restless leg syndrome. It just never ends....................

I'm telling you man, esspecially if you are already dealing with RLS to not fuck with the Diphenhydramine. Even without prior RLS a good dose of it will bring it out in me (and most others) really bad... I mean like kicking around in your bed Trainspotting style. And at doses larger than that you will start to experiece dissociative anestetic effects such as those with DXM, but closer to Dramamine (Dimenhydrinate) as Dimenhydrinate is just an analoge of Diphenhydramine. I have swallowed handfulls of those pink/white Benadryl tabs trying to get some relief only to have to deal with severe RLS and delerious auditory hallucinations accompanied by just an over-all doped up shitty feeling... like being sedated on anti-psychotics and still not being able to sleep.

[AWOL]

Oh man Shaun, I gotta warn you if you've already downed those pills as quickly as you can induce vommiting. You do not want to endure the 24+ hour hell of hearing voices and all sorts of scary shit that you can't understand. That was one of the worst drug experiences of my life, I stayed in bed for 48 hours and didn't move. I had no idea what was real and what wasn't and the voices and screaming were the scariest thing I've ever heard. On top of all that, sleep is the last thing you'll get from taking those kinds of doses. And the shit comes out in your saliva, and your nose and everything. You'll be tasting / smelling it for a week.

[red26]

Oh man Shaun, I gotta warn you if you've already downed those pills as quickly as you can induce vommiting. You do not want to endure the 24+ hour hell of hearing voices and all sorts of scary shit that you can't understand. That was one of the worst drug experiences of my life, I stayed in bed for 48 hours and didn't move. I had no idea what was real and what wasn't and the voices and screaming were the scariest thing I've ever heard. On top of all that, sleep is the last thing you'll get from taking those kinds of doses. And the shit comes out in your saliva, and your nose and everything. You'll be tasting / smelling it for a week.

Huh?

Shaunclo, when you say 3 packs, do you mean 3 fucking packs or three blisters? Try the combo deal if you can. Try to attack it from all sides. I gotta take the other kind of unisom tonight cuz I'm out of the Benadryl type. Also see whats available in your community as far as state run mental health centers. I did that for my insomnia because I was beginning to kinda be a hazard to myself and others. They put me on the shit whats that anti-psycotic? dam! I was on that crap for a while too. Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread... SEROQUIL!!! That shit is heavy. It werks though.

[shaunclo]

Its all good, I only took 200mg's, even though I had to down about 200 mg's of temazepam. I know I shouldnt but I only had 7 of the 30 mg'ers, might as well use em tonight.

[AWOL]

Huh?

Shaunclo, when you say 3 packs, do you mean 3 fucking packs or three blisters? Try the combo deal if you can. Try to attack it from all sides. I gotta take the other kind of unisom tonight cuz I'm out of the Benadryl type. Also see whats available in your community as far as state run mental health centers. I did that for my insomnia because I was beginning to kinda be a hazard to myself and others. They put me on the shit whats that anti-psycotic? dam! I was on that crap for a while too. Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread... SEROQUIL!!! That shit is heavy. It werks though.

Shaun said the ld50 is around 3 packs, and he's downing 1. I cn only assume that means he's taking enough to endure the drug enduced psychosis that I went through.


^^nevermind he posted 1 min beforeme. I need to lie down me things.

[shaunclo]

Holy frickin christ, I took 200 mg's of that shit and 200 mg's temazepam and dont remember a thing after about 12:00 last night. In fact i woke up in a different pair of clothes than I was wearing before and I dont remeber changing???

I have blacked out on benzos before, but I had no idea temazepam was so strong. I mean I can take 100 mg's of valium and still have ahrd time sleeping, but that shit caught me off guard!!!

[moviebuff927]

When I was young and stupid, I would take ridiculous amounts of Benadryl, Unisom to get a buzz. They do help for sleep if you're already sleepy, but taking a high amount usually keeps me up with this god awful body buzz that isn't pleasant at all. You can't find a comfortable position, nothing you can do seems to bring you out of it. I take about 100mg about an hour before I shoot morphine and it really kicks the morphine in a lot. But by itself it isn't much.

[PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO]

i take SIMPLY SLEEP every night. its just dipenhydramine nothing else. 25mg's. its cheap and helps me get to sleep. but like said above does shit for opie withdrawals

[ZodiacKiller]

Holy frickin christ, I took 200 mg's of that shit and 200 mg's temazepam and dont remember a thing after about 12:00 last night. In fact i woke up in a different pair of clothes than I was wearing before and I dont remeber changing???

I have blacked out on benzos before, but I had no idea temazepam was so strong. I mean I can take 100 mg's of valium and still have ahrd time sleeping, but that shit caught me off guard!!!

Yeah, man, we both get scripted Temazepam and it's definitely one of my favorite benzos. I enjoy Vals when I can get 'em because they allow me to function at work or rehearsal and whatnot, but Temazepam gets me nice and buzzed. Not sure I'd wanna be driving on 'em, for instance....

We both have noticed that we've kinda built a small tolerance to them, too, so be careful. I don't think we're anywhere near any sort of serious benzo habit, but if we're not careful, we could. My rule of thumb for benzos is to try to mix up which ones I take and definitely don't take them everyday.


ZK

[red26]

No question Shaunclo.... dont build the habit/tolorance to the benzos. I know we've both been there and it sucks to milk that pig. Alternate as much as possible if you can and werk out the best system for you. Menzos.... yyuuuummmyyyy... not now though mind you! Striktly medicinal!

[OhJoy]

Shaunclo have you tried melatonin? For me it works better than ativan, benadryl and even ambien. You gotta use the sublingual. I use between 3-5mg everynight.

Years back I had a extreme bought of insomnia. I'm talking two months of NO sleep. These fuck up docs would only give me like 10 ambien. WTF. What's that gonna do when I have a problem sleeping every night? So I did all the research. And I'm so glad I did. I never miss a night.

I feel for ya. I know what its like to be in that cycle of sleep problems. good luck

[shaunclo]

I had my roommate confront me today saying, "what the fuck were you on last night?" I was like , Huh? It looks like I blacked out on 200mg's of unisom and 200mg's of temazepam. He found me going thru his wifes purse with her ID and her gym pass in my pocket, then I proceeded to fall over and tell him random things. He walked me to my room where I fell down and started stripping. I dont remeber any of it.

I had no idea temazepam was so strong, I can easily take 15 x 10mg valiums and still remember but that temazepam knocked me the fuck out!!!

[AWOL]

Yeah Shaun, you posted this last night as a thread "tjer si snshtimgr]oc m'........tg]haisbrtstres ctre hettihng" I knew you were pretty fucked at that point.

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4633

I agree with ya Temazapam is hands down the best and in that ass-pect "strongest" of the benzos. Diazepam is weak (albeit longlasting) shit in comparison. Imagine downing ~20+ 30mg caps of those bastards. That's what happened to me in the "way, way too much temazepam" thread. I was a zombie for a week, I imagine you're still pretty out of it right now. I don't remember anything I did but apparently I was telling life stories to my buddy who had to baby-sit me that never happened. I told him I thought I had AIDS for some reason, and he asked me about it later and I had no idea why I'd say that.

For gods sake shaun, don't go driving anywhere.

[shaunclo]

HOLY FUCK!!!!!! I started a thread called walking avery fine line???? I dont remember that whatsoever, thanks for the recall there Dv. Fuck Me

[shaunclo]

Yeah Shaun, you posted this last night as a thread "tjer si snshtimgr]oc m'........tg]haisbrtstres ctre hettihng" I knew you were pretty fucked at that point.

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4633.

I had to delete that thread before Bi11i gets mad at me for doing stupid shit like starting a thread and postsing what I wrote above. That is so crazy, I swear I never blacked out before like that. I usually always remember some of the time, but not last night.Oh well, I got lots of sleep though:D

[AWOL]

I got lots of sleep though:D

Sounds like a blessing to me.

[HistoryofMadness]

I didn't read all the posts so sorry if I'm repeating:

1. it does nothing for post-acute (or acute) withdrawal insomnia, but it does help along with benzos and other things

2. def. buy the generic... much cheaper

3. it's part of my regular cocktail, especially with kratom, because it slows down the speedy part of kratom if its nite time

4. it potentiates the shit outta opies, and that with tagamet and grapefruit juice always kicks things in for me

5. I have not found them to be addictive, but part of the reason I like to cocktail is because it allows me to lower my intake of all ingredients and therefore lessen my chances of being addicted

lastly i will say this: i've never had too many and when in WD before I've taken waaaay to many... probably pushing 500mg+.... and nothing bad happened that wasn't already happening

but if you're not careful, it can cause what some people see as hallucinations (and not the good kind) because it can put you into a strange semi-sleep state and you see things out of the corners of your eyes and stuff...

I would experiement with it, and maybe try it with a couple of other things (like dramamine and / or DXM) and you will likely find a mix you're ok with for alternate/non-opiate mind-altering or just for potentiation


but do be careful because there are some rare but strange side effects...

oh yeah and check erowid experiences