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mpetrucci
12-01-2006, 05:08 PM
Hi, I'm new here and I searched for methods of extraction of morphine pills. Unfortunately there's only info on morphine sulphate, and I have morphine hcl pills. Does any1 knows how to do this??? not to crush the pill and add water and then filter with a cotton but to extract the morphine hcl from the pills to get rid of the talc and lactose and all the other excipients that the pills have.

Please any help would be greatly apreciated since I have 130 pills of morphine hcl 30mg each and I would love to extract the morphine so I can shoot them.

SpecialGuy69
12-01-2006, 05:30 PM
easy. Just use the Waismann method. You'll be left with a fine powder that's approx. 98% pure morphine hcl powder.

The hard way is to grind the pill up as finely as you can. Then, you should be able to tell the morphine granules from the inactive ingredients. It's time consuming, but it's as accurate as the Waismann method.

mpetrucci
12-01-2006, 05:38 PM
Waismann method ????

nick
12-01-2006, 05:50 PM
use your magic wand.(jk-sorry been drinking again)

SpecialGuy69
12-01-2006, 05:54 PM
Waismann method ????utmfse.

mpetrucci
12-01-2006, 06:00 PM
utmfse.

Im not understanding this at all. Should I seachr for waismann method??

nick
12-01-2006, 06:08 PM
I think TM is joking.It's hard to tell.I'm drunk and he sells cars for a living,but TM is the coolest car dealer I know of.In fact TM is cool people.
P.S.Being drunk and sloppy I nearly forgot your question.I'd just use the same method.It's not different forms of morphine that's the problem.It's all the other crap in the pill that matters.

Badly Drawn Girl
12-01-2006, 06:13 PM
utmfse.

Translation= Use the motherfucking search engine

mpetrucci
12-01-2006, 06:14 PM
Translation= Use the motherfucking search engine


HAHAHAHAHAHAHa, got it!!!

AWOL
12-01-2006, 06:15 PM
use your magic wand.(jk-sorry been drinking again)


Drinking Nick ........ :(


So far your girl has turned you off of the best dope known to man, and given you alcohol (the shittiest drug of all) after, 10 years of abstinence. Just my opinion here, don't take offence buddy, but you need to dump the woman. Next you're not going to be allowed to post on the board. :(:(

mpetrucci
12-01-2006, 06:19 PM
I used the search engine and the only thing that came up is stuff about detox.

nick
12-01-2006, 06:19 PM
sorry bro,I'm a bad human being.Off to bed.

AWOL
12-01-2006, 06:24 PM
sorry bro,I'm a bad human being.Off to bed.

I'm just showing concern Nick. None-o-my-business. Sorry.

(Wasn't posted to read that drinking is bad. Meant to read swapping pharmacutical diamorphine for alcohol is an odd choice. I really didn't mean any offence Nick, Should have thought before posting and minded my own bizz. Sorry again Nick.)

nick
12-01-2006, 06:30 PM
No problem Dv.I know you have my best interests at heart,Women what can you do?
The real irony is my S.O. has split to Cambridge for the night to hang out with an x COP.Not just any cop,but an x undercover narcotics cop,who bust over 1,000 people.people just like you and me.

insaneike
12-01-2006, 10:31 PM
Well, if you don't want to do a absic water filtration extration then you're aiming to do an A/B extraction of sorts then, no? Cause thats gonna be work and require some chems thats not gonna be under the kitchen sink... hell, the only problem I see with a basic water and/or alcohol extraction is that Morphine Hcl isn't as soluble as Morph Sulphate, so you would have to use more solevant, err, water/alcy lol.

Though it seems like you're aiming for an Acid/Base extraction man, and well, GOOGLE MA FUCkA! :D

later

greenfox
12-01-2006, 10:40 PM
Waismann method ????

(excuse me didn't read the rest of this thread at this post answering it based on my knowledge) but anyway, I THINK he was talking about Gordon Wasson... the guy that treked down to Mexico with Hoffman and Schultz and did the first p. cubensis extractions. And BTW- WHEN i'M Not spending my time being silly and writing crazy nonsensical (yet brilliant!) posts, I like pondering the chemical makeup of substances both natural and otherwise. I've taken great interest in Salvorian A from the S. Divinorum (literally "divine sage") plant. ANYWAYS (and others now that I think about it) with extracting morphine, because it's a slightly acidic/sulphoric compound. The active alkaloid "morphine s." has surprising ability to stand up to "chemical abuse" (ie a bad chemist) and still stay relatively stable. Now, the ol' lysergice acid di-ethyl aimide 25 tartate is a totally different story.

And just a note to all: I know some of my posts may seem irreverent, but please tollerate my insane genious- if y'all new me in person, you'd know I'm as low and mellow as a tiny green fox. Heh... (it's in the EYES folks, see my avitar) !!

Anywhoo, enjoy and if you need idiot-froof instructions, just re-post.

Later all

greenfox
12-01-2006, 10:42 PM
I used the search engine and the only thing that came up is stuff about detox.

low sigh.

here:

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Extraction/extract1.html

;)

SpecialGuy69
12-01-2006, 11:02 PM
No- I should have been more specific- the Joel Weissman method. He lives a few miles away from me, and he's very good at differentiating the morphine hcl granules from the inactive ingredients.

Basically, the idea is you grind it up into as fine of a powder as you can, then put it on a mirror. Then, sort through the granules: a miligram is about the size of a grain of salt. So, you'll know that you have found all the morphine granules when you have a pile about the size of 100 salt grains. It just takes a little diligence- sort through the pile of powder, grain by grain, until you have found all the crystal-looking ones- those are the M hcl. The rest is binders/inactives.

Because it takes so long, I decided to open a daycare center, and make the kids sort your granules for you. I tell them it's a game and made up a song about it! They sing songs and sort powder all day for me. I have one 4 year old that's already sorting at a 6th grade level!

So, it's a little time-consuming, but it's the easiest way to get pure morphine powder from pills.

robojunkie
12-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Simple method: Grind as finely as possible, stir vigorously in warm water, let cool and settle and filter through the finest filter you have access to (coffee filter=shit for IV quality), something like a millipore filter. Set it up so you draw up the cloudy liquid in the needle-less syringe, attach point and push. Should be very clear. Just let it evap at that point and when evaped its ready but it must be clear otherwise you'd be injecting talc/binders and other shit, especially ER pills. This is only a "kitchen method" though. Really the best way is to wash with nonpolar solvent to remove any waxes and binders, basify, extract with the appropriate solvent...etc. This is problematic though if you don't know how much/what to use when and why so usually the first one works. A simple CWE is good to get rid of apap but not to prepare anything near IV quality.

Really though there are tons of detailed instructions for doing this kind of thing all over the web. That's the UTFSE phrase. Just don't IV the anything cloudy with particulates in it.

SpecialGuy69
12-01-2006, 11:06 PM
^^ he's got MS pills, they don't have any apap. That's why child labor waissman method is the only way to go.

chemboy7
12-01-2006, 11:26 PM
low sigh.

here:

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Extraction/extract1.html

;)

I don't see how something on extracting alkaloids from plant matter is going to help him get a shootable solution from his morph pills. How your going to do this is going to depend on what kind of pill your talking about, alot of pills gel or wax up when you try preparing them; what brand of Morphine pill are we talking about here?

mpetrucci
12-02-2006, 01:41 PM
They're from bestpharma laboratory, I dont think it's international. The thing is I have like 130 of these pills and snorting them isn't fun anymore. I've heard about acid/base extraction before on another forum. Guess I'll just have to search more.

mpetrucci
12-02-2006, 05:19 PM
I found this post by Nuke:

"Fellow Pill Shooters ( wannabe pill shooters)


As most of you who have received a new prescriptions of either MS
Contin (Morphine Sulphate 100 mgs or 200 mgs) and OxyContins
(Oxycodone HCl 10, 20, 40 or 80 mgs--160 mgs are no longer made) .
There is a newer type of wax that makes it almost impossible to get
more than 5% -10% out of the pills using previous ways. When heated it
basically forms a thick solution which, if you can even get any in the
syringe requires a great deal of water and many rinses. The science of
drug delivery and absorbtion is called pharmaceutics (as opposed to
pharmacology which is the study of drugs on living systems).


I am not a trained chemist although I have significant coursework in
organic chemistry and medicinal chemistry. (I do have a Ph.D. in
pharmacology (1994). My current position allows me to spend a lot of
time experimenting in a situation that most other junkies would
consider paridise. I have been working on the extraction of Morphine
from the waxy pills (as well as the extraction from oxy's.) I have
come up with a great way the most people can remove the product from
the pills.


First, the best way to do it is with a ceramic hotplate with a
magnetic stirrer. If you must use your home stove, IT MUST NOT BE A
GAS FLAME OR A TRADITIONAL BURNER. DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT THIS UNLESS YOU
HAVE A NEWER RANGE WITH THE FLAT BURNERS or at least use your oven at
its lowest setting. Even this is very dangerous and you must watch it
constantly and were safety goggles.


First you need a beaker (300 - 600 ml ) or something pyrex that will
not break from temperature changes. Take the coating off of the pills
with a wet tissue. You do not need to get into the impressions of the
pill where the numbers are. Crush the pills with a mortar and pestle
or a coffee grinder. I recommend doing no less than 5 at a time. The
more you do the better this will work.


Take the powdered pills, put them in a beaker and add a few drops of 1
N HCl to change them into Morphine HCl. You can probably skip this
step if you are using Oxy's, but I do it anyway. Then add about 50 -
100 mls of distilled water. Mix well. Now make up a mixture of 85%
mineral spirits to 15% toluene (laquer thinner). Add about twice the
volume of the mixture of the water you added. It is preferable to stir
with a magentic stirrer, but if you do not have one, stir with a glass
rod or a plastic knife. Then heat the beaker up to about 80 degrees C
while stirring at least every couple of minutes (if there is no
magnetic stirrer). Be very careful as the flash point of mineral
spirits is lower than its boiling point (have a plan of action if it
catches fire like a plate or something to smother the fire). After
about 10 -15 minutes of heating and stirring, the morphine will be in
the aqueous layer (the bottom), the wax will be in the organic layer
(the top. Use a 5 cc syringe and tilt the beaker to draw off the
bottom layer (do not try to get every last drop of water. Leave a
speck in there otherwise it is difficult to remove some of the
remaining organic solvents). Place each of the draw's into a 2nd
beaker. Leave the organic / wax layer alone unless it is oxy's. If it
is put another 50-100 mls of water in the organic layer and repeat.
Restir and redraw. Place the draw into the same beaker as the first
draw.


Now heat the morphine (or Oxy) and water (there is also a few
carbohydrates in there that are placed in the oringinal pill, but
these will not hurt you. Reduce the volume to 5 cc's or less. Allow
the mixture to cool for about 2 minutes and pour it through a metal
coffee filter into another beaker. Any additonal wax will have clumped
together and will remain in the filter. Only the liquid will go
through the funnel. It is best to check the pH with pH paper and
adjust to about 6.0 -6.5 with Sodium Hydroxide. If the pH is lower
than 6, the shot will burn.


The remaining liquid after filtration will be morphine HCl, about 90+
% of what was in the pills. If you want to remove the carbohydrate so
you have pure product, add Calcium Hydroxide. This will cause
insoluble Calcium Morphenate to precipitate. Filter through a regular
paper coffee filter and reacidify to pH 6-6.5
If you want to make heroin out of it and have access to Acetic
Anhydride. Allow the morphine liquid to evaporate by leaving it on the
counter top for several hours. You will get a white powder (M HCl and
CH2O or just M HCl. If you neutralize it to pH 7 or >, you will just
have morphine freebase. Both can be converted to heroin (diacetyl
morphine). Add about 3 -5 mls of Acetic ANhydride to Morphine or
Morphine HCl powder cover the beaker with aluminum foil tightly and
bake in the oven at 80- 90 c (200 F) for about 4 hours. Then put the
exhaust fan on and uncover, raising the temperature to about 250 F
until the Last of the vinegar smell cooks off, but being careful not
to burn. It is best to cook until almost completely dry and then allow
the rest to evaporate on the counter. You can also run a lighter
underneath the beaker to make sure. Add enough water for all of your
shots. Check the pH and adjust down with HCl(or vitamin C) or or up
with NaOH(or baking soda). The ideal pH is 6 - 6.5 Remeber, about 25
- 50 mgs heroing is a great shot for most junkies. If you are not
addicted, take 25 or less. If you are on 120 mgs a day of methadone,
start off with 100 mgs.

I guess this will do and extract the morphine hcl from the pills right??

Could some1 corroborate this??

another thing, what does mineral spirits mean???

vanilla_mlkshake2007
12-02-2006, 05:51 PM
[quote=tm420tm;61342]No- I should have been more specific- the Joel Weissman method. He lives a few miles away from me, and he's very good at differentiating the morphine hcl granules from the inactive ingredients.

Basically, the idea is you grind it up into as fine of a powder as you can, then put it on a mirror. Then, sort through the granules: a miligram is about the size of a grain of salt. So, you'll know that you have found all the morphine granules when you have a pile about the size of 100 salt grains. It just takes a little diligence- sort through the pile of powder, grain by grain, until you have found all the crystal-looking ones- those are the M hcl. The rest is binders/inactives.

Because it takes so long, I decided to open a daycare center, and make the kids sort your granules for you. I tell them it's a game and made up a song about it! They sing songs and sort powder all day for me. I have one 4 year old that's already sorting at a 6th grade level!

So, it's a little time-consuming, but it's the easiest way to get pure morphine powder from pills.



TM I am reallly facinated by the steps you use and the resulting product you come out with I am sure it is potent as hell.Great for You!!!!
I am a 5 year morphine junkie and would be scared to death to shooy the result you come out with .I mean just not knowing how much is too much etc.
The method thats always worked for me is crushing up the Avinzas w/a mortar and pestal and then dumpit into a spoon and then put a half of an insulin syringe (1cc) w/water HOT water.,and then I heat for only 2 seconds with lighter as anymore becomes to thick and oily for my veins,and then I wait two minutes to cool and then filter witha Q-tip piece of cotton(well a bit smaller then that) and then I inject.
I have found the hot water releases the morphine in the lil balls better even if they are crushed and the 2 second lighter heating really makes a hell of alot of difference.
I have no doubt that you have probably the best way but I am impatient and usually am to sweaty and shaky to wait for that first morning blast.
I hope this has helped a lil but anyways I really just wanted to let you know that you got a hell of a good method going on it seems.

insaneike
12-03-2006, 02:44 AM
Well, unless you're going to do an A/B on the things, I'd say your best bet is this
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4251

the simple water extraction method. It will remove alot of binders/fillers. The only diff between the sulphate and HCL I can see if that the Morphine HCL is not as soluble in water as Morph Sulphate is. So just use alot more water and evap at the end. Then get your final product, dump into a spoon, heat up some HOT WATER and throw int eh filter and get ready to mainline as you would normaly.

I have NO exp with morphine HCL so... this is just a suggestion, and probably your only bet unless you got the materials/solevants to do an A/B.

Good luck man!

later

azuran
12-08-2006, 05:40 PM
I found this post by Nuke:

"Fellow Pill Shooters ( wannabe pill shooters)


As most of you who have received a new prescriptions of either MS
Contin (Morphine Sulphate 100 mgs or 200 mgs) and OxyContins
(Oxycodone HCl 10, 20, 40 or 80 mgs--160 mgs are no longer made) .
There is a newer type of wax that makes it almost impossible to get
more than 5% -10% out of the pills using previous ways. When heated it
basically forms a thick solution which, if you can even get any in the
syringe requires a great deal of water and many rinses. The science of
drug delivery and absorbtion is called pharmaceutics (as opposed to
pharmacology which is the study of drugs on living systems).


I am not a trained chemist although I have significant coursework in
organic chemistry and medicinal chemistry. (I do have a Ph.D. in
pharmacology (1994). My current position allows me to spend a lot of
time experimenting in a situation that most other junkies would
consider paridise. I have been working on the extraction of Morphine
from the waxy pills (as well as the extraction from oxy's.) I have
come up with a great way the most people can remove the product from
the pills.


First, the best way to do it is with a ceramic hotplate with a
magnetic stirrer. If you must use your home stove, IT MUST NOT BE A
GAS FLAME OR A TRADITIONAL BURNER. DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT THIS UNLESS YOU
HAVE A NEWER RANGE WITH THE FLAT BURNERS or at least use your oven at
its lowest setting. Even this is very dangerous and you must watch it
constantly and were safety goggles.


First you need a beaker (300 - 600 ml ) or something pyrex that will
not break from temperature changes. Take the coating off of the pills
with a wet tissue. You do not need to get into the impressions of the
pill where the numbers are. Crush the pills with a mortar and pestle
or a coffee grinder. I recommend doing no less than 5 at a time. The
more you do the better this will work.


Take the powdered pills, put them in a beaker and add a few drops of 1
N HCl to change them into Morphine HCl. You can probably skip this
step if you are using Oxy's, but I do it anyway. Then add about 50 -
100 mls of distilled water. Mix well. Now make up a mixture of 85%
mineral spirits to 15% toluene (laquer thinner). Add about twice the
volume of the mixture of the water you added. It is preferable to stir
with a magentic stirrer, but if you do not have one, stir with a glass
rod or a plastic knife. Then heat the beaker up to about 80 degrees C
while stirring at least every couple of minutes (if there is no
magnetic stirrer). Be very careful as the flash point of mineral
spirits is lower than its boiling point (have a plan of action if it
catches fire like a plate or something to smother the fire). After
about 10 -15 minutes of heating and stirring, the morphine will be in
the aqueous layer (the bottom), the wax will be in the organic layer
(the top. Use a 5 cc syringe and tilt the beaker to draw off the
bottom layer (do not try to get every last drop of water. Leave a
speck in there otherwise it is difficult to remove some of the
remaining organic solvents). Place each of the draw's into a 2nd
beaker. Leave the organic / wax layer alone unless it is oxy's. If it
is put another 50-100 mls of water in the organic layer and repeat.
Restir and redraw. Place the draw into the same beaker as the first
draw.


Now heat the morphine (or Oxy) and water (there is also a few
carbohydrates in there that are placed in the oringinal pill, but
these will not hurt you. Reduce the volume to 5 cc's or less. Allow
the mixture to cool for about 2 minutes and pour it through a metal
coffee filter into another beaker. Any additonal wax will have clumped
together and will remain in the filter. Only the liquid will go
through the funnel. It is best to check the pH with pH paper and
adjust to about 6.0 -6.5 with Sodium Hydroxide. If the pH is lower
than 6, the shot will burn.


The remaining liquid after filtration will be morphine HCl, about 90+
% of what was in the pills. If you want to remove the carbohydrate so
you have pure product, add Calcium Hydroxide. This will cause
insoluble Calcium Morphenate to precipitate. Filter through a regular
paper coffee filter and reacidify to pH 6-6.5
If you want to make heroin out of it and have access to Acetic
Anhydride. Allow the morphine liquid to evaporate by leaving it on the
counter top for several hours. You will get a white powder (M HCl and
CH2O or just M HCl. If you neutralize it to pH 7 or >, you will just
have morphine freebase. Both can be converted to heroin (diacetyl
morphine). Add about 3 -5 mls of Acetic ANhydride to Morphine or
Morphine HCl powder cover the beaker with aluminum foil tightly and
bake in the oven at 80- 90 c (200 F) for about 4 hours. Then put the
exhaust fan on and uncover, raising the temperature to about 250 F
until the Last of the vinegar smell cooks off, but being careful not
to burn. It is best to cook until almost completely dry and then allow
the rest to evaporate on the counter. You can also run a lighter
underneath the beaker to make sure. Add enough water for all of your
shots. Check the pH and adjust down with HCl(or vitamin C) or or up
with NaOH(or baking soda). The ideal pH is 6 - 6.5 Remeber, about 25
- 50 mgs heroing is a great shot for most junkies. If you are not
addicted, take 25 or less. If you are on 120 mgs a day of methadone,
start off with 100 mgs.

I guess this will do and extract the morphine hcl from the pills right??

Could some1 corroborate this??

another thing, what does mineral spirits mean???

This looks like a good guide to follow, I would give it a shot if I had any morphine pills :P And to answer your question. Mineral Spirits is a petroleum distilate commonly used as a paint thinner and mild solvent.

mpetrucci
12-09-2006, 06:06 PM
Thanks, I just wasnt shure about the mineral spirits translation to spanish. Anyway I already bought everything and I've just finished doing an extraction using 10 pills of 30mg each and adjusted the ph to 6.5-7 so now I gotta reduce it to powder and try it. Hopefully everything goes well.

mpetrucci
12-09-2006, 09:37 PM
Well, the extraction is over, the liquid I let it on the stove for like an hour, real slow fire so it will reduce and I've just shooted a little bit and....... I'm still alive and high and really happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not only cause it worked but also cause I got 110 more of these green little pills and I'm gonna extract the morphine from all of them.

Thanks 2 the guy that posted the extraction method cause it really works!!!!!!!!!!!