OHAH herbal opioid addiction therapy

[jacky]

so a company in china is about to release a gel cap version of their product called OHAH....this stands for.... opioid and heroin antagonist herbs......

the treatment costs 320 pounds for only a months supply.

and get this, of course the company doesnt divulge even one of the ingredients that you will be consuming.

this sounds very similiar to the herbal concoction called HEANTOS that is from china/asia that is reported to help replace opioid consumption. with heantos you can keep taking it past the detox period as a pain support and as a non opioid replacement type of therapy. with HEANTOS at least they would list 7 or so of the 13 herbs that comprise the mix.
The creator of HEANTOS was attempting to get the FDA in the USA to allow him to sell the stuff, without going through the technical human research process that all FDA approved drugs must go through. what an IDIOT, these people are holding out for GREED. Of course the FDA wasnt even considering the deal. Its like this inventor thought that what he had was so revolutionary that the americans would bend over backwards for his herb blend. He is an idiot, cause if he just bypassed the FDA, and divulged the ingredients, he could have set up sales of heantos in the USA a long time ago, he might make some money, and maybe he could help some people out.

with the OHAH blend you are going to pay over 600$ for a months supply,for a combination of herbs that you will not be allowed to know the identity of. FUCKING SCAMMER GREEDY ASS PIECES OF SHIT!!!. over 600$ for get this ONLY 200 grams of plant material/extracts. or 49 daily 4 gram doses.

Ill be watching for further information on both of these preperations, maybe someday some good soul will reveal the proprietary blends of these products, so we can blend our own herbal aids to detox, rather than paying some asshole to treat you with herbs that they will not divulge the identity of.

I have been researching herbs for awhile now, and I have found plenty of materials that are reported to reduce opiate withdrawl, or that have mild opioid/opioid antagonist effects. Someday I will create my own type of mixture similiar in action to the HEANTOS or OHAH preperations perhaps but unlike these douche bags I will only charge double what it cost me to make, MAYBE 3x the cost as most businesses mark up their items. And I will also divulge the full ingredients list, no product should be sold that doesnt list the ingredients.

Its silly that these companies totally screw themselves out of any marketing future in the USA, this country would eat their products up, but hardly anyone is going to throw money at something that is "secret"

[Coddfish]

thank you, kashi. you are wonderful. i'll certainly buy some when you get there.

[red26]

so a company in china is about to release a gel cap version of their product called OHAH....this stands for.... opioid and heroin antagonist herbs......

the treatment costs 320 pounds for only a months supply.

and get this, of course the company doesnt divulge even one of the ingredients that you will be consuming.

this sounds very similiar to the herbal concoction called HEANTOS that is from china/asia that is reported to help replace opioid consumption. with heantos you can keep taking it past the detox period as a pain support and as a non opioid replacement type of therapy. with HEANTOS at least they would list 7 or so of the 13 herbs that comprise the mix.
The creator of HEANTOS was attempting to get the FDA in the USA to allow him to sell the stuff, without going through the technical human research process that all FDA approved drugs must go through. what an IDIOT, these people are holding out for GREED. Of course the FDA wasnt even considering the deal. Its like this inventor thought that what he had was so revolutionary that the americans would bend over backwards for his herb blend. He is an idiot, cause if he just bypassed the FDA, and divulged the ingredients, he could have set up sales of heantos in the USA a long time ago, he might make some money, and maybe he could help some people out.

with the OHAH blend you are going to pay over 600$ for a months supply,for a combination of herbs that you will not be allowed to know the identity of. FUCKING SCAMMER GREEDY ASS PIECES OF SHIT!!!. over 600$ for get this ONLY 200 grams of plant material/extracts. or 49 daily 4 gram doses.

Ill be watching for further information on both of these preperations, maybe someday some good soul will reveal the proprietary blends of these products, so we can blend our own herbal aids to detox, rather than paying some asshole to treat you with herbs that they will not divulge the identity of.

I have been researching herbs for awhile now, and I have found plenty of materials that are reported to reduce opiate withdrawl, or that have mild opioid/opioid antagonist effects. Someday I will create my own type of mixture similiar in action to the HEANTOS or OHAH preperations perhaps but unlike these douche bags I will only charge double what it cost me to make, MAYBE 3x the cost as most businesses mark up their items. And I will also divulge the full ingredients list, no product should be sold that doesnt list the ingredients.

Its silly that these companies totally screw themselves out of any marketing future in the USA, this country would eat their products up, but hardly anyone is going to throw money at something that is "secret"


I'm in yer corner Jacky, just be sure and let me know when you start testing so I know why your spelling backwards.;)

[robojunkie]

Has the guy patented the "rights" to this "novel application"? That could be looked up for "informational purposes". Maybe the herbs are all or mostly available separately.

[djnarkotik]

Very cool man thnx for sharing. I love using herbs, they can help us with everything. Dont worry they cant keep the recipies secret forever and the main active herbs will be revealed.

You know if you do some research you could probably find out what the herbs are Im sure not too many Interact with the Endorphin/Opiod system.

[stvip]

For a herbal product that has actually been tested in mice to show it prevents tolerance and dependence, see Mentat. Though note studies suggest the main ingredient responsible for those results is Withania somnifera (Ashwaghanda).

[devilsdrug]

and for something that may or maynot work 600 smackers not until jacky gives the ok

[OxyContinuously]

Wow. 300 pounds for a month's supply only? I guess that would be approximately......500 US dollars roughly? That seems like a lot, although if it actually works, then that is another story. For me, a lot of herbal remedies are pure bullshit; the only one that seemed to have any validity was Kratom.

[djnarkotik]

Ya ashwaghanda can maybe help with opiate tolerance dependance i remember reading about it a while back. good thing for me i take it all the time anyways its a great herb for the body,


"Author: Kulkarni SK, Ninan I
Date: 8/1997
Journal: J Ethnopharmacol
Chronic treatment with Withania somnifera (Ws) (family: Solanaceae, 100 mg/kg) commercial root extract followed by saline on days 1-9 failed to produce any significant change in tailflick latency from the saline pretreated group in mice. However, repeated administration of Ws (100 mg/kg) for 9 days attenuated the development of tolerance to the analgesic effect of morphine (10 mg/kg). Ws (100 mg/kg) also suppressed morphine-withdrawal jumps, a sign of the development of dependence to opiate as assessed by naloxone (2 mg/kg) precipitation withdrawal on day 10 of testing."

[Powdered Love]

If they ever begin selling that shit in the States, they should change the name from OHAH to AHAH because I would laugh at anyone who pays that much for some shit like that....

AHAH!




I should add that if the herbs can REVERSE tolerance... then I would pay that much. Easily.

[jacky]

that is a good idea about looking up patent information, could be brilliant idea!!

I know that a few herbs like blue lilly and nelumbo nucifera contain apomophorpine, and that apomorphine "cured" William B of his dope habit for a few years or similiar time...he stated that it was relatively painless.

so we will work through this together, and keep this a public idea from the start, and if different parties want to create different versions of our creation, then that is fine, cause the ones who offer decent, low prices comparitively will take most of the money anyway, also it will NOT be marketed as a drug or a drug therapy, it can be marketed as a dietary supplement .


so to start we will use
withania somnifera 5-20x extract........
blue lilly 85% pure alkaloid extract.....
chamomille extract..........
rosemary extract...........
bacopa extract..............
menthol..........
sophora subprostata extract.......

and possibly for consideration.........

aconiti k....... containing the kappa opioid tolerance reverser mesaconitine, but only in VERY small amounts, so if the stuff is abused there wont be as much danger.
picralima nitida.....contains mu and kappa agonist/antagonist alkaloids. one chemist told me that it has some similaritys to low dose iboga alkaloids.

and some different salvia and psychotria species if we can ever lay our hands on them.

there are others out there that I know of, but lets keep it sorta simple to start with.
perhaps we could start a co-op fund for this research project, and all the contributers get compensation of the finished products.

[stvip]

For the last year, I have been collecting the names of substances that have shown promise in inhibiting tolerance and dependence. The list is quite large. Amongst the candidates you've listed, I would nominate only W. somnifera and M. chamomilla.

[jacky]

well, menthols exerts its painkilling effexts through the kappa opioid receptors, It is also listed as a stimulant when taking in the crystal form, certian stimulant actions are sorta nice when detoxing I have found...

and similarly to chamomille, rosemary extracts have shown some efficasy in relieving opiate withdrawl in animal "models". same with bacopa herb, which is actually a great herb to consume with withania.

sophora subprosata at first I thought was a direct agonist of the kappa and mu receptors, but I think that data is outdated, it still is reported to indirectly effect the opioid system through other neurotrasmitter systems. I have taken a good deal of this product, the active compound, or one of them is matrine, considered equipotent to pentazocine...anyway I also have the pure compound matrine, and certian peoples that tested it without opiate habits stated that it was similiar to other mild opiates like codeine. that is just two peoples opinion.

in china aconiti k. is used for opium withdrawl, and so is the isoquinoline laden chinese date, or ziziphus jujube, I have myself used the chinese date for withdrawl, it stops the sweats in my case, and also eases some other side effects like lethargy.

blue lilly contains apomorphine, which the great sage himself stated removed most of the withdrawl symptoms of a smack habit when he got clinical application of the compound in I think france.

with heantos cinnamon is one of the listed ingredients. cinnamon compounds are researched a great deal in human pharmacology, and have neuron types named after the plant.
actually 7-8 of the heantos ingredients are listed, I will try and dredge them up....we could duplicate those ingredients of course, and then try different formulations of such combinations of the test target materials.

I think the aconiti k material is one of the best bets. I have several pounds of this material, and it is not overally expensive. careful preperation of the root slices is needed to remove unwanted toxicity, like boiling the stuff in water for a few hours and discarding the mark. this stuff has shown to lower tolerance, and can be used as a pain reliever by itself if one is not using opiates. some reports that it releases dynorphin in the spine, similiar I guess to cannabis.
overdosing on mesaconitine would not stop your breathing, but give you a cardiac arrest, so I wonder if the compound can counteract typical respitory depression caused by other opiates maybe?.

yeah, the list of plants that interact opiate receptors or withdrawl from opiates is quite large. right now I am growing a few hundred salvia species that contain a purported mu agonist.

I have used salvia divinorum in small doses at the end up my night when cutting back on opiates and feeling not so well. it works like a charm for me, but this plant is so variable in its effects on other people that I would only suggest they try it, I wouldnt add it into a proprietory blend.

the list goes on and on, and it will for a long time I imagine. even milkweed extracts have shown some opioid interaction!

with so many opioid receptors, and so many different structural opioids/opiates already known, I figure an equally large number of undiscovered opioids and withdrawl aids lie in wait, for us, the opionaughtical explorers. ha ha.

[HistoryofMadness]

Has the guy patented the "rights" to this "novel application"? That could be looked up for "informational purposes". Maybe the herbs are all or mostly available separately.

I seriously doubt it, isn't china notorious for having next to no patent rules? if that's the case, it would do more harm than good to patent b/c you'd be telling your secrets...

BUT even if it is, you'll never get proprietary information such as recipe, and most likely not even the main ingredients.. if you can or know how, lemme know 'cause I've been wanting the Coca Cola recipe for a long time...

[djnarkotik]

herbs cant be patented.

Natural plant based chemicals cant be controlled like pharmecuticals. This is why pharm companies make so much money, they invent a drug and have the rights to it. This is why herbal stuff isnt as popular as in the past its all about monney.

This is the reason opium is not used anymore realitively speaking as medicine. Companies cant make as much money from it compared to taking chemicals and altering them and making more profit.

[jacky]

no, but process or treatments using them can, and a proprietary blend can be protected in court, so you can get herbal related information from patent reports.

but it appears not with these materials, which are doomed for not being legally sold here until the full ingredients are listed. all I can do is order some OHAH with a research partner, and have him do some HPLC work with the material if we decide that the money will be worth it. most likely some of the plants can be tagged through HPLC.

OHAH I think can be sent to the US, but it wont make it onto shelves without the ingredients...it will remain a internet only item that only rich people will order.