drug testing

[red26]

Well I'm being tested with the new fangled Poly test. I had dropped a wizz quizz on the 15th and saw yesterday that I had tested posative for opiates. I was actually shocked by this because I had'nt used anything for a while as far as I could remember. I was on Dilaudid but had'nt taken it for around a week and a half to 2 weeks or shot dope for that matter in a long time. I was told by the guy running the oporation that I could test pos. for opiates up to 2 weeks!?! This sounds ludawhatever but I need some solid info on these things. If any of yall have experience with this crap and know the ins and outs lemme know. Gracias

[shaunclo]

Ive never heard of the poly test, but I do know that when I go in and get tested that I know people who just stop 3-4 days before they test and they are clean.

But we have the little things we dip into our urine and we get results almost immediately. If they are sending urs away for testing, then I think we are going to have a hrader time getting away with it.

Anyone else have any run-ins with those poly-testing shit?

[nick]

In the UK it's 3 days max.That's for a test sent from a drug depenency unit for annalysis.

[red26]

Yeah I figured three to five days max but not-so. I just could'nt believe it when I saw dat shit. It was about ten or more days later! I was rackin my brain tryin to remember wether or not I did anything and NO I definately didnt. Man thier testin me for everything! Except booze. I cant even take tri-cyclic anti-depressant or benzos! Both of wich I actually need if I'm not gunna be on opiates.

I tend to forget alot of important stuff like wether or not I got loaded lately. They're gunna try to throw me in jail, I just hope its not in Denver again. Wasnt bad, but wasnt the comfyest of jails I've been in. Damn it.:mad:

[alowishus]

I can't find anything called a "poly test" for UA's, did they do a gcms?

[chemboy7]

I believe that different tests/testing facilities have different cut-off points at which they call a sample possitive, most of the time though (unless your taking long acting Opaites) 4 or 5 days is enough; esspecially Hydromorphone... half-life is so short on that. That is pretty shocking that you would drop dirty that long after. I know that even with WDs Hydromorphone is shorter than the rest, still pretty fucking harsh though.

[red26]

Yeah I'm pissed. Once I find out the whole thing I'll definately be talkin bout it.

[nick]

I can't believe this test showed a positive after so long.Not for a short acting opiate.The only tests that could do this would be very expensive and cost prohibitive.
So if they did use this test they really wanted to bust you.Or it's a mistake with the test or results.Or it's a scam and the test came back negative and they're screwing with you.
Whatever Red I hope you avoid jail in Denver or anywhere else bro.Take care and let us know how things go.

[flipside]

Just a thought , but is your liver damaged? Lupus has destroyed my liver and I've had shit come up positive after 3 weeks ( cocaine & opies), also if you were dehydrated that could affect the outcome ( meaning iof you were dehydrated the drug may not have cleared as quickly as it normally would)

[SpecialGuy69]

I was in court-ordered rehab in high school (for fucking POT!!!) and there were about 8 of us in group session- they'd say "two of you came back positive this week- if you confess, you won't be dealt with as severely" and EVERY TIME three or four of these dumbshits would confess- so they could just be fuckin with your head. If you know for a fact that you are clean, and your freedom depends on it, be fucking outraged- demand recounts and all that shit. It's your rights. I think.

I'm pretty sure whenever LEO's do a drug test, they set aside half the sample in case you appeal the test, they can test this sample and you are double caught. Or, if it's lost, or comes back indecisive or clean, you're in the clear. That's the way it went when I was on probation, anyways.

[red26]

What happened was I was hospitalized for a few reasons. Kidney stones, blood in urine, prostateitis, urinary tract infection. All kinds of pain along with my usual stuff. While I was in there my Grandfather came to visit and I could tell something was wrong and I kept pestering him to tell me. Turns out the last half a kidney he's got left has 2 big tumors on it and was diagnosed with lung cancer at the same time. He dont even smoke. So I left the hospital so I could spend time with the guy but I still had to be flushing out my system and be on the pain meds cuz it was borderline unbearable.

The following week(my stay was over the weekend) on wed. I had to see my P.O. for the first time and I had to tell her I was on meds. She wanted me off of them that very moment, and was kinda flippin out. So after I got out with her I went and scored one last time and took my meds for another 2 er 3 days till most of the pain subsided. I gotta find out what exactly I turned up pos for so I know what to expect in court on the 4th cuz she told me that she would most likely be there. Yeah, chances are they'll just give me a few days in jail and a slap on the wrist but also tell me if I test posative again I'll be doing some stretch of time. Goddamn drug court bullshit. Been thru worse but it still blows.

[SpecialGuy69]

You need a lawyer, bro. They are fucking you- you had a prescription for your medicine, and a PO can't make you stop taking your medicine. What if you had cancer, would your PO tell you to stop taking your chemotherapy? A lot of conditions can take longer to heal if the pain isn't treated. It's fucking bullshit. I'm fucking just enraged at this bullshit.

Please, Please, Please get a lawyer and fight these motherfuckers. They don't have any right to take away legit prescribed meds. I'd also consider suing them for making you stop because your PO was giving you bad medical advice. Go to a personal injury lawyer and see if you have a case- they might do the criminal work free (or refer you to someone who will) if they think you have a good case to sue those motherfuckin shitbags.

At least all PO's burn in hell for eternity after they die- it's in the bible.

[flipside]

T is right, get a lawyer. Your PO cannot violate you for being on a legal RX's. esp if you were just released from the hospital.

If you tested positive for H or something , different story, but I did not get that from what you posted.

[flipside]

Yeah I figured three to five days max but not-so. I just could'nt believe it when I saw dat shit. It was about ten or more days later! I was rackin my brain tryin to remember wether or not I did anything and NO I definately didnt. Man thier testin me for everything! Except booze. I cant even take tri-cyclic anti-depressant or benzos! Both of wich I actually need if I'm not gunna be on opiates.

I tend to forget alot of important stuff like wether or not I got loaded lately. They're gunna try to throw me in jail, I just hope its not in Denver again. Wasnt bad, but wasnt the comfyest of jails I've been in. Damn it.:mad:


What do you mean you can't take anti depressants or benzo's, if they are RX'd to you, there is no way in hell a PO

or any court can deny you medical treatment or medication deemed necessary by a physician.

[SpecialGuy69]

PO's are scumbag pieces of shit, and they'll try anything if they think they can get away with it. That's why you gotta spank this one's ass in court- for yourself and for the next guy, too.

PO's are wannabe cop pigfuckees (they don't do the pigfucking, they get fucked by the pigs)

[red26]

hehehe... The thing is that shes tellin me that I gotta tell my doctor, or the doctor prescribing that I'm a heroin addict prior to them giving me meds. I know it was alittle cloudy there how I laid it out. The P.A.W.S. is killin me lately. I know, shes a little tool. I been dealin with these types since I was a kid and I know how they werk, but this is the first time gettin busted fer smack so I'm werkin my way in there with alittle lube first. The way I see it, if she is violating my rights I let her build up a bunch a stuff and then get me attourney. He such a slimy bastard but hes kicked ass on the last 3 of my cases so... as is my kidneys arent doing too well. If they quit on me and I get some problems in the hospital I'll see what the bitch has to say about that. Fact of the matter is I dont give a fuck wehter or not I'm on meds, but I gotta play it like I wanna steer clear of opiates and I'm doing that so fuck I'm so frustrated with all this shit!

[SpecialGuy69]

Red, I really hope you get her fuckin scumbag ass fired. That shit is totally uncalled for. Unless you used addiction as part of your legal defense, how the fuck does this douchebag know your addicted and not a chipper? And if you are a chipper, wouldn't just telling your doc that you used recreational drugs in the past cover it?

I had this c**t of a juvie PO when I was in high school. She would do some shit like that. One day, I was walking home from school, I saw her driving her car, and didn't feel like dealing with her shit, so I ducked around a corner real quick. When I got home, she was waiting there and took me away in cuffs. Another time, she made a home visit, and demanded that I take down a medical hemp poster in my room, and took away several books I was reading on drug law reform. She even sprung a pisser on me on my last day of probation, the day before my 18th birthday- the next day I would be an adult and she would have no authority over me. I had 6 months of probation, and ended up staying on from 16 to 18, even though I never dropped dirty, and finished rehab on time- she said my attitude was poor. Fucking c**tbag! And I was originally on probation for possession of less than 2 grams of MJ.

If there is any justice in the world, both of our PO's will get syphilis and pizza-sauce/brownie diarrhea box. And then they will both have children who grow up to attempt to kill them in an insurance scheme, but they survive, and live another 20 miserable years with the bullets still in their stupid, pudding-brains. Both of 'em.

[shaunclo]

Damn Red I know exactly how you feel man - we both are being drug tested by the Gov't and IT FUCKIN SUCKS MAN!!! I have only had streches of soberness whenever I get locked up, but never have I had to go like almost a year without opiates, its fuckin killing me. I cant self-medicate anymore, lol, and I am my own doctor.:)

[red26]

Red, I really hope you get her fuckin scumbag ass fired. That shit is totally uncalled for. Unless you used addiction as part of your legal defense, how the fuck does this douchebag know your addicted and not a chipper? And if you are a chipper, wouldn't just telling your doc that you used recreational drugs in the past cover it?

I had this c**t of a juvie PO when I was in high school. She would do some shit like that. One day, I was walking home from school, I saw her driving her car, and didn't feel like dealing with her shit, so I ducked around a corner real quick. When I got home, she was waiting there and took me away in cuffs. Another time, she made a home visit, and demanded that I take down a medical hemp poster in my room, and took away several books I was reading on drug law reform. She even sprung a pisser on me on my last day of probation, the day before my 18th birthday- the next day I would be an adult and she would have no authority over me. I had 6 months of probation, and ended up staying on from 16 to 18, even though I never dropped dirty, and finished rehab on time- she said my attitude was poor. Fucking c**tbag! And I was originally on probation for possession of less than 2 grams of MJ.

If there is any justice in the world, both of our PO's will get syphilis and pizza-sauce/brownie diarrhea box. And then they will both have children who grow up to attempt to kill them in an insurance scheme, but they survive, and live another 20 miserable years with the bullets still in their stupid, pudding-brains. Both of 'em.

I hear ya bro. Yeah she wants a written letter from my doc sayin that he knows about my case! and my 'condition'. I got a friend that werks in the same building as her. Hmmm... Fact of the matter is that if this test came up pos. for Dilaudid it'll come up pos. for smack. Thats my sweat here. I can put those screws into her for a change if its just for dillies, but H, I'm fucked. Blasted a 20 the day I saw her, wed. the followin week my 2 test were dilute wich they can say is a posative actually but I got medical reasons fer that, and the week after that my test was pos. fer opiates? fuck me sideways.

[vaxn8]

OK, Red- first, you need to find out what they actually detected- drug, metabolite or what. Then you can start figuring out how to get past it. Just because they picked up a hydromorphone metabolite doesn't mean they also got you for dope (and vice versa). I have a bunch of stuff I'm trying to remember to include- so if i'm all over the place with this answer- that's the reason (also it's 3 AM).

The reason you need to know exactly what they found is because there are several things you may be able to fight. In the first post, you mentioned a poly test. The only test I have ever seen "poly" used in, is any test where they are going beyond testing for the basic drug class. For example, instead of testing for the presence or absence of opiates, a poly would distinguish between morphine, dope, codeine, or whatever opiate was in the sample. If you have more details on exactly what the test used was, I could help you more.

There are a few possibilites for why you were detected 10 days post-use. I'm going to just mention them fast, and if you find out what drug it was, I can give you more info on why you specifically may have come up positive. The reasons are not in any specific order- just as they come to me....

Body composition- depending on each person's body composition, drugs and metabolites stay in the body for different periods of time. For example, something very fat soluble like fentanyl, will move into the body's fat. In a person with more body fat, more of the dose moves into the fat. It is excreted slower from the fat. So a 600 pound man could store a shotload of fent in his fat, and would release it over a longer period of time than a 200 lb man.
Health- you mentioned kidney problems. Depending on exactly what is going on with your kidney, you may be having problems excreting drugs and/or metabolites that are renally excreted. Not all drugs and metab's are, so that's why you need to know what showed up.
Route of administration- if your last use was oral, elimination would be slightly slower than if it had been iv. This most likely isn't the cause though of something showing up at 10 days after use.
Liver- if possible, get your liver enzymes checked. You may have damage that you aren't aware of. This can really screw up drug metabolism, especially with opiates.
Demand a re-analysis of the original sample! Labs make mistakes!
Not sure if this would be an option.... Were you clean before the kidney stone indicent? If so, you could demand that your hair be tested. Obviously not a good plan if you're using on a regular basis!hehehe... The thing is that shes tellin me that I gotta tell my doctor, or the doctor prescribing that I'm a heroin addict prior to them giving me meds.

This is something for a lawyer- and I can check with one tomorrow (my little sister is a public defender, and may know the answer to this). I don't belive that a PO has the power to order you to do something like that (notify your doc of addiction history). A judge could certainly require you to disclose it to any docs you see, but if that order wasn't given to you as part of your sentence, I don't think she can require that now. First, I don't think she has that power, and second I don't think they can change a sentence like that after the fact. I'll check with my legal advisor though and see what she has to say. If it was part of the original sentence though, then she would be correct in enforcing it.

Your doc my be helpful for documenting any health condition that may have led to that sample testing positive so late [i.e. listing your kidney disease, or liver issues that may have contributed]. They can also provide evidence of what was rx'd to you and what the reason was.

A PO doesn't have the right to determine your medical treatment. I judge can't even really do that. If an MD determines that narcotics are required to treat you in an emergent situation, there's nothing they can do about that. I'm sure they could order a doc to not provide chronic narc treatment, or limit type of treatment, but an emergency is an emergency. The way health care is today, they won't keep you in the hospital unless there is a good reason. If you were admitted, they believed something was really going on with you! It's not like the ER where they don't really have a choice, if you walk in they have to see you at some point. They aren't going to admit someome though if they don't believe something is wrong!



I'm pretty sure whenever LEO's do a drug test, they set aside half the sample in case you appeal the test, they can test this sample and you are double caught. Or, if it's lost, or comes back indecisive or clean, you're in the clear. That's the way it went when I was on probation, anyways.

This is called split sampling and by law is required for all DOT testing and some legal-type testing. It is very helpful, especially in cases where the lab makes a mistake. It happens, the chance is low, but any positive is one too many in situations like this- when someone's freedom depends on it.

[djnarkotik]

YA im used to getting cehcked for drugs but only because I do these Medical pharm. studies for money. In canada they dont do drug test for Jobs and the Govt doesnt do it either. If the medical place catches me for drugs they just dont let me into the study. I have to get clean for one now actually need money :(. But when i get a few thousand from my study Ill bo sooooooo high.

That test is weird getting busted after a couple weeks?? I know from Oral Opium alkaloids like morphine i am clean in a week, Even 5 days if i cleansed my system. And Oral opium is long lasting too.

What opiates do you use??

Im sorry for u guys in the Us. where the testing seems harsh.

[red26]

Well I figured I post up to speed here. I appreciate everyones concern and anger. It made me feel warm and fuzzy.(yes, coming from the guy who said hes likes Slayer) Really, thanx. So I had to drop another wizzquizz and while I was there today I demanded to see the EXACT results of the posative test. All that it said was that it was pos. for opiates! This can be a good thing and a bad thing. I have medical reasons for it, but my P.O. is a bitch and just might ask for more thorough results and see H in my system as well as the Dilaudid. I'll know after court on the 4th. Fuck I'm still stressed though. I gunna whine for a second here... I wanna get high muthaf---a goddamit bitch probation can suck a fart outta my ass!!!!!!!! I dont feel any better

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

Yeah I'm pissed. Once I find out the whole thing I'll definately be talkin bout it.

hah, pissed...

My pee is clean after 2 days... strange, plus, they should allow for a little opiate in your system because of poppy seeds in muffins and stuff like that.. That's weird, just doesn't add up, they're trying to get something out of you--- they'll lie about anything

that's my opinion..

[red26]

The poppy seed thing dosent work anymore. Not unless your on a panel test. I was in a rehab for 4 1/2 months a few years back, well actually like 6 years or so. Anyway, I had a weekend pass for my birthday to go chill with the fam. , was sick as a dog , didnt leave moms house for the whole time. I did have a sandwich though. I checked the bread out to see if there was any poppy seeds on it, nope, didnt see any. Got back to the rehab, drop a wizz quizz, go start unpackin my gear and I got this dude tellin me I have to leave the property this minuite. I turned up hot for opiates cuz there was seeds ground up in the bread!

Fuckin panel tests man! They tell you from the get-go that you will piss hot for seeds with those tests and I fucked myself outta 4 1/2 months for not reading the directions! Man I still get steamed over that. Place was in the middle of nowhere between the Co. and Wy. border fuckin sod farms everywhere... So no, cant get away with that one. Thats what I get for tryin to get clean off of crack. I'm not sweating it. Just the fact that my kidneys arent doing so well now and I'm going to have to go back to the Doctor and chances are I'll be hospitalized, or at least put on meds again and the bitch is gunna have a fukin coranary.

[nick]

I was going to write a long reply,but in the end all I can say is best of luck with it all bro.I'll be rooting for you.

[red26]

I was going to write a long reply,but in the end all I can say is best of luck with it all bro.I'll be rooting for you.

Muchas gracias. I find out tomorrow whether or not I'm going to jail. They might just make me do more U.A.s or more fukin drug classes. I'm so stressed out over this garbage. As if I couldnt lose any more hair. The thing that pisses me off is that my P.O.is gunna be there and totally making a huge deal about my hot U.A. but totally down-playing that Ive done everything shes asked of me and more. As far as it would look on paper I've turned my life around but its her job to feed the system with my misfortune. If I dont post tomorrow it means I'm in jail again.

Gotta keep my shit together for this one. Thanx to everyone for thier concern and support. It hasnt gone unappreciated.

[SpecialGuy69]

good luck brother. You deserve your freedom. I know how hard it is, and you are definitely doing well. I hope you make out okay. Keep us posted.

[Powdered Love]

Switch to fentanyl. They can't test for fent. Simple.



PS - They can't test for fent because antihistamines will cause false positive, and some other reason that i'm forgetting at the moment... but yeah, use fent. :D

[nick]

Red bro,let us know how you got on in the belly of the beast.

[red26]

Everythings cool so far. It was actually kinda funny. The judge asked me what I was hospitalized for, so I rattled off my list and his eyes get real big followed with "wow Mr.xyz those are all pretty dangerous things, and really painful." Oh the satisfaction I got when I looked over at my P.O. was unmesurable!

The judge asked me how my probation was going so I laid it all out on the table for em and was complimented for my honesty. I was told that I needed to bring proof of me being prescribed anything so I whip out the Dilaudid bottle and hand it to him. He approved. The only problem is my little bitch of a P.O. wants me to call her tomorrow and I know shes gunna lay that whole "I need to see a note from your doctor saying that they know about your addiction" bullshit. I'll be replying with I'll talk to my attourney first.

[nick]

Viva Red,really pleased for you bro.

[flipside]

Great news Red, Obiously the judge did not have a problem

is he the one tha put you on papers? And will he be the judge that you would see if she hauls u back into court.?

So if you end up with another RX your PO is SOL. As for having to disclose to you physician, she can't mke you. Not even sure the judge can. besides you have a legitimte med prob that requires rx'd opies. your Po is gonna try to jerk you. she can;t violate you for not telling your doc unless you were court orderd to do so as part of your probation. Keep us updated and let us know what the lawyer says do .
glad you are free/ So can you medicate yourself now?:D

[HistoryofMadness]

hey Red your PO can't ask for info from your doc... that's a violation of your privacy rights...


if the PO bitch asks for that info, just hand her a copy of HIPPA (but save it to a disk, because if you print it out you'll need a book binder)...

anyway man don't let them jerk you around... if you're on doc-prescribed meds, and that's all you tested positive for, end of story...

by the way, dilaudid shouldn't show up 2 weeks later, because it shouldn't even still be in your system... it has such a short life span.

I'd think maybe it was a false positive for some reason... my girlfriend had a false positive because she eats poppy-seed bagels for breakfast... and there are other OTC drugs that do it too...

sorry if I'm repeating anything in this thread, I didn't have time to read all the responses

[red26]

my lawyer is calling her. She gunna be so pissed.

Got the call back from my guy. If I have to go back to the doctor(and I do) and get prescribed pain meds I have to get a note from him saying that he will not over prescribe meds to me. Oh well. This sucks because of the medical issues that I have. It feels like I have a white hot knife stuck in me every few seconds. How should I approach my M.D. about this? Really, I need some feedback.

[nick]

Given your legal and medical problems I'd go with the truth.Throw yourself on his mercy and if he screw you,you'll have good cause to be pissed at him.Good luck bro.

[blackdog]

ok first of all i tried but just couldnt finish reading the last 6-8 posts on this tread. oh man but still all in all what comes into my mind is what about.......... doctor/patient privelage
it's all between you and the doctor
ain't no one's buisiness
wish i had a gun at times like these
dawgg:p

[red26]

Thanx dawgg. I guess I gave all that up either when I became a I.V. H user or when I got busted. Thing is, I go to my doctor tomorrow for alot of the same problems that existed prior to all this bullshit. You know I already have anxiety through the roof, I dont need all this shit. Its totally breaking me down now and I feelin at the end of my rope. I have a good relationship with my doctor and really have never exploited his good nature to get drugs. Itll kill me to tell the guy this shit. While I usually jump in anything with both feet I'm extremly hesitant with this.

[flipside]

my lawyer is calling her. She gunna be so pissed.

Got the call back from my guy. If I have to go back to the doctor(and I do) and get prescribed pain meds I have to get a note from him saying that he will not over prescribe meds to me. Oh well. This sucks because of the medical issues that I have. It feels like I have a white hot knife stuck in me every few seconds. How should I approach my M.D. about this? Really, I need some feedback.

WHO the hell determines what amount of meds you need? Your doctor.

How in the hell can u even phrase something like that to you doc ( oh I know you po will offer to do it..don't let her!). Um hey doc I know I need these meds but my Po needs a note from you saying yu aren''t gonna give me enough to divert them or abuse them?

WTF!! I hope u see this before you go, but I would just explain to the doc that you need documentation that you are have X diagnosis requiring X . And nothing more.^^ is correcti about HIPPA and confidentiality.

Mabey your guy ( I assume u meant lawyer) is just rying to get your ass covered in case of all possibilities. But unless the judge requests it your PO has no authority. Besides No doctor is gonna right a note like that. Mabey I misread something here?

Thanx dawgg. I guess I gave all that up either when I became a I.V. H user or when I got busted. Thing is, I go to my doctor tomorrow for alot of the same problems that existed prior to all this bullshit. You know I already have anxiety through the roof, I dont need all this shit. Its totally breaking me down now and I feelin at the end of my rope. I have a good relationship with my doctor and really have never exploited his good nature to get drugs. Itll kill me to tell the guy this shit. While I usually jump in anything with both feet I'm extremly hesitant with this.

I am so sorry you have to go through this shit. And it is BS. look I understand that you made your choices and have to live with the consequences, but this should not one of them..at least not having to disclose everything to you doc. Not yet, unless the order came from a judge.

On a more positive note if you have a good relationship with him and he trusts you..it may be alright when it all comes out in the wash. Let us know how you made out, and if by some chance u see this before you go PM me..for a contact number who can give you some serious legal advice..not that your lawyer doesn't know what he's talking about but there are lawyeres who specialize in medical/legal issues. I do adocacy with one who may have some more productive suggestions. Keeping my fingers crossed for ya!

[nick]

Good luck bro and let us know what goes down.