Benzos with psychadelics

[Seedy]

OK I know it is generally accepted that benzos are great for coming down off psychadelics but what I'm wondering is what it's like to take a benzo WITH some acid. I've tried it with mushrooms, 10mg diazapam (with no tolerance) and a standard recreational dose of mushrooms. That was the most enjoyable trip I've ever had. No paranoia/dark thoughts, full on melting visuals and an mdma-like euphoria just to top it off. Would a similar experience occur with benzos=LSD?

Anyone tried?

[Narkotikon]

OK I know it is generally accepted that benzos are great for coming down off psychadelics but what I'm wondering is what it's like to take a benzo WITH some acid. I've tried it with mushrooms, 10mg diazapam (with no tolerance) and a standard recreational dose of mushrooms. That was the most enjoyable trip I've ever had. No paranoia/dark thoughts, full on melting visuals and an mdma-like euphoria just to top it off. Would a similar experience occur with benzos=LSD?

Anyone tried?

The last time I took acid was in 2000, and it was with K, weed, and opium. That was a great combination. Very euphoric, and without the paranoia that acid / weed tend to give.

I've never taken acid with a benzo. I think a benzo with K would be fun though. I'm a big advocate of ketamine. I wish it was more popular.

[Seedy]

^^
Oh yeah I'd fucking love to try K. Swimming around a room sounds like heaps of fun!

[Narkotikon]

^^
Oh yeah I'd fucking love to try K. Swimming around a room sounds like heaps of fun!

I almost equate ketamine as an opiate. I mean, I know it's not, but it's the best what I can describe it. It's related to PCP and DXM. I can't speak for PCP because I've never done it, but it's NOTHING like DXM. K is very euphoric, and if you only do a bump or two, it causes you to feel really heavy, especially your limbs. Kind of the way H makes your limbs feel heavy. You just get this rush of pleasure. At higher doses, you go into a k-hole, which is sort of like a near death experience and is very visual. I'm not a big fan of k-holes, but I like them if I'm in a really positive, reassured mood. It's not something I would EVER want to do if I was in a situation where I didn't feel safe or secure. I mean, you can't move. Well, that's not entirely true. Ketamine doesn't really prevent you from moving, well at anesthetic doses it does, but I"m not talking about that, it just takes away the desire to move. The last time I did it, I did a line and then a few bumps later on, as K only lasts for about 45 minutes. It's very short acting. And I was lying down listening to drumb and base in a darkened but still lit room, and I felt like I couldn't move, but I could, I just had no desire to. It's kind of hard to explain. But, I will say this, NEVER inject K (except in a hospital setting. I mean, that's why they use it, as an anesthetic. But, if you're using it recreationally, the only way to do it is to snort or IM. If you IV K, you'll go into a hole before the needle comes out) and NEVER do a line your first time. Always do a bump. If you do a line of K your first time, you'll go into a hole and think you're dying, and you won't be able to move. I just thought of this, ketamine makes you feel like you're sinking, especially when lying down. That's a better way to explain it. Hence the term k-hole. I always think of the scene in trainspotting when Renton OD's and is sinking into the carpet.

[AWOL]

You lucky bastards who can actually find shit like LSD, mushrooms, and K. I can't even get shrooms here cause Utah is like the only state that has made grow kits / spores illegal. And no, drivin around askin hookers for some LSD didn't work out for me - K :p I only know's how to score dope.

[Narkotikon]

You lucky bastards who can actually find shit like LSD, mushrooms, and K. I can't even get shrooms here cause Utah is like the only state that has made grow kits / spores illegal. And no, drivin around askin hookers for some LSD didn't work out for me - K :p I only know's how to score dope.

LOL. You're not the only one. I've not done K in forever, and everytime I talk about it on here, I crave it. It's just not common around here. The only times I've ever been able to get it have been at raves, which was a long time ago, and at gay bars / clubs, and that's rare. Most of the times they're into coke or E. I even made the mistake of mentioning heroin once at a gay bar, and I got the "what the fuck are you doing that shit for!" speech. That's what gets me, they'll do coke, meth, k, e, and sniff any kind of inhalent, but won't do H. They automatically assume that you HAVE to inject H. Plus, when you try to tell them that out of all of those drugs, that H is the safest (well, maybe not safest, but least harful to the body), they laugh at you. Silly fags. (And yes, I can use the term fag because I'm gay. Kind of like the N word being permissable for black people.)

And the shrooms. The last time I did that was in early 2000, when my two ex-friends and I were getting the spores off of fanatacus.com during our sophomore year. The acid thing has been a long time too. I'll stick with my opies, and maybe occasionally other things. But damn! Now I really really want some K. I wonder what it would take to bust up a Veternarian's office. J/K

[robojunkie]

Acid has been done with benzos, thought usually as a come down from heavy trips at around 4 or 5 hours and was quite mellow and relaxing. However as I have said at some point, I think, by far the most euphoric effect in every sense (mind, body, spirit, whatever) was the use of H/opium 3 to 5 hours after dosing. No amount of K-pins, Xanax, Rohypnol, or whatever is your preferred benzo could ever compare to this experinece. Add a little C and you're in fucking Nirvana (if you can hit during this degree of trip). This profound euphoria only seemed to be truly pure when done with no tolerance however. This combo is the closest thing to a true "full body orgasm" like they talk about in bullshit news articles talking about heroin's addictiveness. I mean, no shit IV H is incredible as are speed ballls but on acid while peaking this is absolutely indescrible. When I did it without tolerance once all I could keep saying to the non-opiophiles I was tripping with was "Oh my fricking god I feel so fucking good! I'm coming out of my skin and my brain" over and over for hours. Eventually they just left, confused and probably curious. I would think, though, that doing benzos straight out would dampen the trip. Always good to have on hand for emergency panic type trips.

[SpecialGuy69]

NArko- you're making me nostalgic for the days when I could run down any exotic drug there was. I was fond of K, too. After several bad experiences on hallucinogens (LSD, mushrooms), it got to the point where I pretty much decided I couldn't trip anymore, even though I love the feeling of a good trip. The risk of a bad trip just outweighed the potential benefit of a good trip.

So it was cool when I discovered ketamine, and I could experience some hallucinations again. I used to have a girlfriend who would bump k with me, that was really cool. Sex on ketamine was kind of fumbling and akward, but really cool, too. We had a lot of fun, I was getting vials of K for $40 at the time, so it was free for all my friends.

PCP is a fuckin blast, too! Talk about stigma attached to a drug- it's labeled as "worse than Heroin"! But it's a really fun drug to take, and the only reason I don't do more of it is because it's hard to find by itself- it's usually laced on schwag weed. I don't like smoking pot, so this holds me back a little. PCP is the most fucked up I've ever been in my life (farthest from reality). It's like the dysphoria and euphoria of inhalants (nitrous), plus seeing patterns and trails!

You can actually buy PCP (wet) on the same corners in DC where you buy crack. It's pretty easy to find. I mean crack in DC is like finding sand on a beach, but PCP is actually easier to find than real H (most of the time, if you ask for H, the dealer will just sell you whatever powder he has in his pocked, represented as H). Anyways, you can get PCP easily in DC.

It always pisses me off when people say weed could be laced with PCP. PCP weed is packaged and sold as loveboat, totally distinct from regular pot and there is NO WAY a knowledgable user could confuse the two. Plus the boat is more expensive, so why would a dealer make the switch that way? Plus it's moist with PCP water. I've heard it's an easy chemical to synth, too- from easy to get precursors.

[SpecialGuy69]

^^^ I just realized it was way off topic. I've only used benzos to abort bad trips (semi-successfuly).

In college, in Richmond, VA, I was having a very hard time with about 7 or 8 drops of liquid acid. I was just white-knuckling my chair, trying not to give in to the freak-out that was simmering right under the surface. A friend of mine told me she had some super-strong sleeping pills, and if I took them, they would knock me out and I could sleep off my trip. I knew very little about pharmies at the time, so I just took her word for it. I think just knowing that I could "punch out" of the trip if things got too bad made it easier to handle.

Right at my peak, I decided I'd had enough, it was time to punch out. I took 5 of the pills she gave me. It turns out they were 10mg ambiens. And I had taken 5!!! When the ambien kicked in, I was laying in bed, and had some of the most intense visuals I've ever had in my life. I was looking at my blanket, crumpled up, but I saw a what looked like a little minature circus. I mean literally. It was some insane, huge, visuals. Seeing shit that actually wasn't there. You know how on TV people take LSD and see cartoon characters and shit? It was like that! Fuckin crazy.

After about 30 minutes of that, the sedative effects overtook me, and I fell asleep (on 7 hits of L, no less!). It was very interesting, and once I felt the first tendril of an ambien feeling, it relaxed me. I definitely recommend this combo- try to coincide the ambien and LSD peaks and you'll see some crazy fucking shit. I was seeing more visuals than DMT, mushrooms, peyote, mescaline, or any other hallucinogen had ever produced for me before.

Try ambien with your LSD. and save the benzos for emergency punch-outs!

[trainwrecker]

I would never take psychadelic with out some kind of heavy opiate recently in my system anymore. Since I got a habit taking mushrooms brings out all the discomfort of not having enough dope in your system and magnifies it 100x. Opiates just make the trip smoother, they get rid of all the shitty side effects(upset stomach, aching body...).

[Narkotikon]

^^^ I just realized it was way off topic. I've only used benzos to abort bad trips (semi-successfuly).

In college, in Richmond, VA, I was having a very hard time with about 7 or 8 drops of liquid acid. I was just white-knuckling my chair, trying not to give in to the freak-out that was simmering right under the surface. A friend of mine told me she had some super-strong sleeping pills, and if I took them, they would knock me out and I could sleep off my trip. I knew very little about pharmies at the time, so I just took her word for it. I think just knowing that I could "punch out" of the trip if things got too bad made it easier to handle.

Right at my peak, I decided I'd had enough, it was time to punch out. I took 5 of the pills she gave me. It turns out they were 10mg ambiens. And I had taken 5!!! When the ambien kicked in, I was laying in bed, and had some of the most intense visuals I've ever had in my life. I was looking at my blanket, crumpled up, but I saw a what looked like a little minature circus. I mean literally. It was some insane, huge, visuals. Seeing shit that actually wasn't there. You know how on TV people take LSD and see cartoon characters and shit? It was like that! Fuckin crazy.

After about 30 minutes of that, the sedative effects overtook me, and I fell asleep (on 7 hits of L, no less!). It was very interesting, and once I felt the first tendril of an ambien feeling, it relaxed me. I definitely recommend this combo- try to coincide the ambien and LSD peaks and you'll see some crazy fucking shit. I was seeing more visuals than DMT, mushrooms, peyote, mescaline, or any other hallucinogen had ever produced for me before.

Try ambien with your LSD. and save the benzos for emergency punch-outs!


Yeah, the first time I took Ambien, I noticed those visual effects. I was looking at my alarm clock and the numbers were switching back and forth, like they were dancing. I took a few Ambien last night, though, and didn't get any visuals, not that I wanted them. I just wanted to be relaxed. I finally fell asleep, but I had the worst dreams. I dreamt I was with a guy I know in Cincnnati named Blake who's a big coke and e head, and would never try heroin in a milion years. Anyway, we're at this bar that he and his friends like to go to, and there's some band playing, even though bands never play there. I want to say it was NIN or something like that, but I can't remember. Anyway, as usual, he asked if I wanted to buy some stuff (see, he has the connects, and I have sometimes offered him to let him do some of my coke if he'd hook me up, but in my mind I"m thinking I'll let him do maybe four lines, the bastard ends up taking half), so anyway, I said yeah, but this time it was H, and I rember fighting over it, like he was taking my half too or something, and he actually shot it up in front of me. I was so mad. I have really fucked up dreams sometimes.

[nick]

I took acid,librium and H a few months ago.The librium did effect the trip.I had no paranoia,but I also didn't trip as much as I normally would.

[Seedy]

^^^ I just realized it was way off topic. I've only used benzos to abort bad trips (semi-successfuly).

In college, in Richmond, VA, I was having a very hard time with about 7 or 8 drops of liquid acid. I was just white-knuckling my chair, trying not to give in to the freak-out that was simmering right under the surface. A friend of mine told me she had some super-strong sleeping pills, and if I took them, they would knock me out and I could sleep off my trip. I knew very little about pharmies at the time, so I just took her word for it. I think just knowing that I could "punch out" of the trip if things got too bad made it easier to handle.

Right at my peak, I decided I'd had enough, it was time to punch out. I took 5 of the pills she gave me. It turns out they were 10mg ambiens. And I had taken 5!!! When the ambien kicked in, I was laying in bed, and had some of the most intense visuals I've ever had in my life. I was looking at my blanket, crumpled up, but I saw a what looked like a little minature circus. I mean literally. It was some insane, huge, visuals. Seeing shit that actually wasn't there. You know how on TV people take LSD and see cartoon characters and shit? It was like that! Fuckin crazy.

After about 30 minutes of that, the sedative effects overtook me, and I fell asleep (on 7 hits of L, no less!). It was very interesting, and once I felt the first tendril of an ambien feeling, it relaxed me. I definitely recommend this combo- try to coincide the ambien and LSD peaks and you'll see some crazy fucking shit. I was seeing more visuals than DMT, mushrooms, peyote, mescaline, or any other hallucinogen had ever produced for me before.

Try ambien with your LSD. and save the benzos for emergency punch-outs!

Well I got some zopiclone which is pretty similar to ambien. And they're the same class of drug as benzos. But seriously, if valium and mushies produced my most enjoyable mushroom trip ever, would it work with acid?

Somebody answer my question, dammit: Has anybody taken acid WITH a benzo, not the benzo as a parachute? I'm pretty sure the pleasurable aspects of the acid trip will still be there, but I don't want to waste my precious piece of paper!

[nick]

I just told you my experience above bro.Go for it.What's the worst thing that could happen?

[Seedy]

I just told you my experience above bro.Go for it.What's the worst thing that could happen?

D'oh, librium's a benzo, right? I guess, er.. my mate swim might try a cocktail: A bigass dose of pods & paper taken at the same time, see how that all kicks in & then maybe think about adding the k/pin / z/clone. He tells me he can't wait :D

[nick]

Lucky your mate.I'm sure he'll have a real cool time.Tell "him" to let us know how he goes.

[nick]

Lucky you mate.I'm sure he'll have a real cool time.Tell "him" to let us know how he goes.

[robojunkie]

A little off topic but not worth a new thread: Imagine tripping and peaking while on a real oil burner and getting hit with narcan. Would that be like the 10th circle of hell?

[nick]

A little off topic but not worth a new thread: Imagine tripping and peaking while on a real oil burner and getting hit with narcan. Would that be like the 10th circle of hell?
Yes,it's that simple.

[orchidfanatic]

I know this might be out of forum but has anyone tried salvia ? I have a plant and dont know how much to put in the bong.. I have about 8 3x2" leaves dry .. how much is a dose? sorry if in the wrong forum

[Seedy]

I know this might be out of forum but has anyone tried salvia ? I have a plant and dont know how much to put in the bong.. I have about 8 3x2" leaves dry .. how much is a dose? sorry if in the wrong forum

I've only tried the 5x extract. With that you need about 3 big hits, held in aslong as poss. To get realll bent you'll need to inhale as much as you can in the shortest possible time, stopping when it hits. It's crazy shit, first time i tried, it pulled me into the back of my seat, trying to get me to leave my body at which point I freaked out a bit and resisted. For the next few minutes I went for a robo walk, feeling extra tall. I think it wouild be best combined with your feelgood DOC!

Since yours is straight dried leaves (has to be properly dried!) just crumble into a bong and have as many big hits as it takes to kick in. And dont forget to combine with your DOC, IMO

[orchidfanatic]

DOC ? sorry I am not up to speed on that abbreviation, but thank you for the info ..

[Sitar]

DOC = Drug Of Choice, or a person's favorite substance in which to imbibe.

[nick]

Seedy bro,how did "your mate" get on and Orchidfanatic let us know how it goes with your "experiment".

[Seedy]

Seedy bro,how did "your mate" get on and Orchidfanatic let us know how it goes with your "experiment".

My mate is going on his big adventure next weekend. He's also got some badass kratom extract which may be throwing in the mix. Don't worry, he's a pretty sensible fullah. I'll keep y'all posted!

[orchidfanatic]

Seedy bro,how did "your mate" get on and Orchidfanatic let us know how it goes with your "experiment".
well I have to go out of town for the holidays so it wont be till I get back.. I will post then ... :D

[Seedy]

Ah fuck it. Poor swim isn't going to be able to try his experiment because the small bit of paper he was promised has been denied FUCK. Hopefully the oppurtunity will arise again.

He does have a question though. Swim got prescribed some clonazapam for insomnia just over 2 weeks ago as well as recieving quite a few more from somewhere else. He's been using them as prescribed and sometimes for fun probably averaging a meagre 1mg per day. He was hoping not to make a habit of it but next week is the most crucial and stressful week of his year so he'll need his sleep. After 3.5 weeks of daily use what sort of w/d's can poor swim expect?

[nick]

I've not taken the benzo you're taking,but I've a whole lot of experience with librium and after 3-4 weeks the worst if any wds will be a few nights poor sleep.
I'm sure someone here can give you a definative answer about the benzo you're taking.

[Chipper]

Did you mention K? I have been IV'ing K for a while now (what a trip). Expensive and hard to get but always mind-blowing. I am pleased you guys get into it as well.

[Dilaudid]

Hello Seedy,

My mate is going on his big adventure next weekend. He's also got some badass kratom extract which may be throwing in the mix. Don't worry, he's a pretty sensible fullah. I'll keep y'all posted!

Don't mix kratom with psychedelics. Stimulation of postsynaptic alpha-2-adrenoreceptors, blockade of 5-HT2A receptors, or both, are involved in mitragynine's suppression of 5-HT2A mediated head-twitch response in mice. It has been speculated that mitragynine's activity at 5-HT2A receptors may suppress the activity of psychedelic drugs, which are agonists at these receptor sites.

[Chipper]

It pays to have some benzos/anti-psychotics handy for any psychedelic experience. They will deal with the trippy bits and reduce any spurious fear that might be induced.

Basically, I like to use them when I am tired of tripping and want to turn it off.

[Dilaudid]

Hello Chipper,

It pays to have some benzos/anti-psychotics handy for any psychedelic experience. They will deal with the trippy bits and reduce any spurious fear that might be induced.

Basically, I like to use them when I am tired of tripping and want to turn it off.

Some people cal this polydrug abuse but you're absolutely right it pays to have a benzo handy (flunitrazepam is especialy good for this purpose the plasmatic peak comme very fast with a good half life flunitrazepam il fully legal and commonly prescribed here (France)) for panic reactions or to put an sooth end to a psychedelic trip.
I prefer benzodiazepines over neuroleptics because neuroleptics can dull your mood a lot.

[OpiGuRu729]

OK I know it is generally accepted that benzos are great for coming down off psychadelics but what I'm wondering is what it's like to take a benzo WITH some acid. I've tried it with mushrooms, 10mg diazapam (with no tolerance) and a standard recreational dose of mushrooms. That was the most enjoyable trip I've ever had. No paranoia/dark thoughts, full on melting visuals and an mdma-like euphoria just to top it off. Would a similar experience occur with benzos=LSD?

Anyone tried?

Yes, I love taking benzo's preferably valium or clonazepam before taking any phycadelic or at the same time it helps keep you from getting nervous and keeps you on a happy well inlightened trip... and Lsd and benzo's are probably my favorite mix of physcadelics and benzo's it's awesome i wish i could get some good lsd but it's been dry out in northern ca for awhile there some every once in awhile especially up around berkley but i want some good ass 1 hit power trip acid thats the bomb oh such good memory's and coloful flashbacks...

[Chipper]

If you IV K, you'll go into a hole before the needle comes out)

Not true. You've got at least 30 seconds to pull out, hold tissue to injection site, cap and lie down.

[Chipper]

*** Actually, I goofed - make that 10 seconds ***

[mrklean]

Don't mix kratom with psychedelics. Stimulation of postsynaptic alpha-2-adrenoreceptors, blockade of 5-HT2A receptors, or both, are involved in mitragynine's suppression of 5-HT2A mediated head-twitch response in mice. It has been speculated that mitragynine's activity at 5-HT2A receptors may suppress the activity of psychedelic drugs, which are agonists at these receptor sites.


SWIM has used Kratom to close out high dose MET and LSD trips with nothing but good results. I am not educated on the brain chemistry of this subject only the results of others bioassay. Kratom has presented friends with what seems to be a very pleasant herbal alternative to benzos for easing oneself out of some intense trips. For most I know, mixing benzos and trips is very counterproductive. You forget any valuable info the trips may be attempting to relay, and benzos totally mute and dull the trips effect. But, not a bad idea to have some benzo that acts fast on hand for a crisis that you can't talk someone through. I think it is very important to work your way all the way through any trip. If you can make it through without benzos you may be surprsed what you take away from the experience. I wouldn't use the Kratom in too much different a way than the benzos, it (kratom) seems to also be a better alternative because of the way it can lessen some of the undesirable side effects the way classic opi's have been discussed doing in this thread.
Oh yeh, gotta love the phoenetic spelling in the threads title. I should be able to do a a better job with spelling the damn "P" word myself but don't ask me too.
peace

[Seedy]

^ Excuse my poor spelling :o
I used to be such a good speller but it's been such a long time since I've gave a damn.

I nkow exactly what u mean about benzos negating anything beneficial gained from a trip. I could definately imagine kratom would have nice synergy for the come down. Opiates are good too but I tend to ovethink my opiate use on trips. Benzos are the only thing that will get me to sleep after a trip. Except shrooms that is, I like the way they end so nicely.

[JayTrizzle]

i don't know what the fuck you all are talking about. I'm on 4mg of xanax per day, with an extra 1mg for breakthrough anxiety, and I'd rather run out of oxy's. No joke man, you don't want to fuck around with benzo's unless you're planning on having enough to not run out. The best way I can dexsribe it is like w/d'ing from opiates and snorting like a 1 gram hot rail of methamphetamine at the same time. The insomnia is HORRIBLE, and I get aches and pains just as bad as coming off a week long oxy binge. But then i've been taking 4+mg a day for almost a year now, so maybe yours won't be as bad. As far as benzo's and acid...


The first time i got real good clean acid. Wakarusa, last year, second day of the festival. We leave to run into town and get some ice for the beers and wine (more for the wine, we had VIP tickets which meant all the free beer we could drink), and we get stuck in the regular ticket holders line to get into the camping area. Like, six miles of traffic. It was like 95 degrees, too. ALL SMELLY HIPPIES. It was brutal. Anyway, in between wondering people smoking bowls with me and throwing me beers and whatnot, some homeless looking dude came up to me and asks is if i want any fungus. I'm like "Nah I got my own brother, but thanks..." so he says "What about some doses man, I'm all outta money and you'd be doing Jerry a favor (Jerry Garcia for you non festival going no hippies)." So i'm like sure man, here's twenty bucks. I end up with a ten strip (!) of non perferated paper, thicker than blotter paper, don't know what was up with that, so I'm looking all mad and I'm like, whatever, Karma man. That night I got a bit too drunk and I gave the friend that was with me his half (i thought we got two hits, I'd never had anything but shitty liquid before)...oh, btw, this was Family Fluff/Silver Fluff, the best shit going around in the whole country (i found out on the opiophile acid forum haha) at the time. So he eats five hits (rofl), and in like fifteen minutes, he's fucking laughing his ass off, and I'm like whatever dude, you're fucking around, and he's like no man, I'm gonna go watch the Disco Biscuits show. I then realized that just from fucking with the paper and smoking (which meant putting my hands up ti my mouth), I started gettin all wierded out and seeing tracers. I took my xanax, and went to sleep. I didn't find this motherfucker for 13 hours, when I came back from the shower and he was OUT inside of his car with the windows rolled down, lol. So i'm like, cool real acid, sweet. I took my half right that night in between Buckethead and Les Claypool. Needless to say, Claypool made me climb out of my skin man, I was toast. I got tooooo ate up and started to lose it, and so I took 5mg of xanax. Fourty minutes later, still full on visuals, still super happy, but no paranoia at all, IT WAS GREAT. I suggest it. The acid, if it's good enough, wil overpower the sleepy part of the benzo's but the beno's will take the wierdness edge off.

[OnzZznoD]

I've had a few valiums before, during and after acid before, before can help with come up anxiety if you get it and makes the trip relaxed, taking it during will do the same and i found it seemed to reduce the visuals, probably because it dulls your emotions a bit and the visuals are a product of them. I had an awesome trip one day i was on morph, h, pot, and then ate some vals. i was nodding hard and decided to trip. It was so cool, my hallucinations were just like being awake yet dreaming for the first hour or 2 then it woke me up a little but was still chilled as.

Benzos are good with psychedelics depending on how you want your trip to be, if you do have benzos i don't think it would hurt to take a higher dose of the acid or any psychedelic.