SWIM's method for making the most of Fent + are "those" sites worth it? [Archive]

veovis

11-17-2006, 03:46 AM

First off, let me make something clear, -- I am not asking the board for sources! -- So please do not assume that I am and flame or (worse yet) ban me. The thing is, I read all over the place, on boards like this, in articles (usually very negative in tone) about online pharmacies and how easy it is to get opiates without a prescription. Well, I'm an... intermediate 'net user, so I know how to search, how to browse, how to avoid obvious bogus ads, etc. But as far as I can tell, finding a reliable online pharm is not as simple and easy a thing as these articles would claim. SWIM used to use fentanyl duragesic patches on occasion, quite happily (see SWIM's description of how he made the most of these patches below) but SWIM ran out a while back, and asked me to do a little research for him on how he might find some more. It would seem that almost NO online pharms (questionable or not) currently provide fentanyl, specifically the duragesic patches. However, I have found many sites that say they will do the work for you, and send you the link or contact info for pharms providing fentanyl. Can these sites be trusted? Do they tend to live up to their promises, or are they just another scam? Does anyone or anyone who isn't you have experience with such sites and know if SWIM should give them money to provide him info? Anyway, this is what SWIM told me his method for making the best of fentanyl patches was, since there seemed to be a lot of questions regarding methods of use on this board and other boards: SWIM realizes that some people are fans of chewing the patches. SWIM is NOT one of those people. He feels that doing so is dangerous because dosage is too ambiguous to be reliable. SWIM also feels that chewing uses up the material too quickly, and suspects that much of the effects are wasted. This is what SWIM liked to do: he used a needle to puncture the patch (50ug/h) on the side that is supposed to be UP when applied to the skin. The back sticker was never removed. SWIM was very careful not to puncture both sides, but only the top layer of the patch. A match head-sized or slightly larger dollop of gel would then be squeezed from the patch and smeared onto aluminum foil. Well so far, this is obvious and common, but what SWIM would do to prevent any loss of smoke/vapor would be to fold up the foil such that the smear of gel was on the inside of a cylinder of foil that was as close to airtight as possible along the edges. The cylinder would be open at either end, though. One end, SWIM would insert a straw into it, the other end would be angled downward, so that there would still be airflow, but vapor would not escape from it. SWIM would then put the straw in his mouth and very slowly inhale while holding a lighter beneath the foil where the gel was smeared. The lighter must be held far enough below the gel that it does not get too hot and combust. The desired effect is vaporization, not combustion, as that is a waste of the material, and SWIM thinks this is probably why many users say that smoking fentanyl does not work. A very small amount of vapor is produced, so SWIM and other's who aren't me must inhale at a constant rate. Another thing to be careful of is keeping the straw far enough back from where the foil is heated so that the straw doesn't melt. SWIM says smoking plastic straw isn't very fun. This is only difficult because the end of the straw can't be seen. If done correctly virtually no material will be wasted and very little fentanyl can go a very long way. Doing this 3-4 times a day or so, SWIM found a single 50ug/h duragesic would last about 5 days (in other words, 15-20 or so good doses per patch). The effects SWIM reported were infinitely better than wearing the patch which produced little effect in SWIM. And material wasn't wasted while SWIM slept, which it would have been had he worn the patch. The only problem with this method is that fentanyl is very short-lasting, so SWIM was only "high" for 15 min or so, and felt the effects for only 45 min. An hour if he was lucky. SWIM has used other opiates in the past, so he is mildly tolerant, but only mildly. SWIM hopes this info helps someone else out there who wants to use these patches to their full potential (of -course- SWIM would -only- advocate the use of such drugs if they are prescribed) heh. Again, neither SWIM, nor I are asking the board for suggestions on sources. But if someone felt like throwing some in SWIM's direction, or pointing him in the right direction, SWIM would not complain and at the very least, toast that someone the next time SWIM curled some foil around a straw. Cheers. *Goes to check the forum rules regarding the sharing of email addresses*

SpecialGuy69

11-17-2006, 06:48 AM

Okay dude a few things here- first of all, please use paragraphs. I just had to give up on your post after I lost my place for the fifth time.

Online pharmacies can't sell crazy shit like fentanyl. We all wish they did! But that's fuckin insane, man! I don't even think they would sell them if they could- There would be people OD'ing left and right! The best you can hope to get is 90 hydrocodone 10/325 (norcos). Search around this site a little bit, and you'll find some excellent posts describing the process and limitations of buying from an online pharmacy.

I personally wouldn't waste a penny on the "referral" sites. There's nothing they can offer you that you couldn't find by yourself by searching. What internet business would intentionally limit their customer base by making people pay just to see the link to their site??? It's just not good business! As far as I know, these sites are rip-offs, like the websites that sell you lists of wholesalers for cheap electronics, or lists of public property/auto auctions.

Just remember- all the pharmacies that are out there selling morphine and oxycontin and shit like that (the stronger stuff), are fly-by-night operations just after your credit card number. You will get your shit months later, if they even bother to send it, and if it's not seized by customs, and if it's not counterfeit drugs. Don't waste your time trying to get anything stronger than hydrocodone. Schedule 3 and up non-injectable drugs are available online.

Once you make some friends on here, people will become willing to point you in the right direction. Search, search, search! I wrote a long post with all the rules of online pharmacies- search "ROP" and "NROP" and "legal" or some combination of those words.

Welcome! And don't take this as an attack, but don't be a dummy and give these scam-artists your money- of course you can't buy injectable morphine vials or fentanyl patches online!

SpecialGuy69

11-17-2006, 06:52 AM

Again, neither SWIM, nor I are asking the board for suggestions on sources. But if someone felt like throwing some in SWIM's direction, or pointing him in the right direction, SWIM would not complain and at the very least, toast that someone the next time SWIM curled some foil around a straw. Cheers. *Goes to check the forum rules regarding the sharing of email addresses*Are you seriously suggesting someone mail you their fent patches? If so, disreguard my last post, cancel your membership here, fuck youself in the ass with a red hot iron railroad spike, then stick said hot spike uo your cockhole and die. Those fuckin things cost $50+, and it's insane to think someone would send you a $50 patch, even if it was perfectly legal to mail strangers shedule 2 illicit substances.

I fuckin hope I'm misreading this and you're not really asking for someone to mail you some of their fent patches!

Papa Verine

11-17-2006, 09:18 AM

Veovis!

I'm new here too but I think the difference is that I'm not a moron. Why don't you read posts for a few days before posting one yourself.

chemboy7

11-17-2006, 09:42 AM

^^^ Man you don't even need to read over any of the threads to know that solicitation is the big rule #1 not to break... it's at the top of every page in bold font and I believe that all newbies get an email that goes over the rules now too. And you shouldn't even need that to know it's a bad idea anyways. People that try to sign up here for the sole purpose of scoring dope piss me off. This isn't a fucking flop house it's a forum - Discussion not drugs. This place is like a second home to alot of people and I'm sure they don't apprieciate the type of attention that shit attracts. Outright solicitation should be an infraction atleast; I say don't let the doorknob get you in the ass. I'll risk going to jail for a good many things but not so some stranger on the other side of the country can get their jollys off.

edit - I actually have seen a legit site that sold fent lollipops awhile ago... they were like $70-80 a piece though, certainly not worth it. I never ordered any of the pops so I don't know how good they were but I did score other CII meds through there that were legit. It's not impossible but more times than not if they are offering shit like that in their cateloge it's a scam and if it's not you are going to be paying through the nose for it.

SpecialGuy69

11-17-2006, 12:43 PM

^^^ Chem, I've heard the same thing, too- that yes, it is possible to get some very cool C2's from OP's. But, you usually wait 4-6 weeks, chance it getting taken by customs w/no refund, chance them just outright stealing your money, and even if you get it, you paid thru the eyes ears nose and throat.

If an online pharmacy is gonna sell you a really cool narcotic, they are going to strap you to the table, bend you over, rape you with a lead pipe dipped in hot tar then rolled in broken glass and wrapped in barbed wire. Then they'll throat-fuck you just for good measure. It's not a good idea.

hey Vevois- was I right? were you asking for someone to mail you their fent patches? I'm ready to say sorry if I'm wrong...

veovis

11-17-2006, 03:05 PM

Well, I expected the puerile flaming. I had hoped my attempt at a disclaimer in the opening paragraph might prevent that a bit (and perhaps it did), but it would seem that there are plenty here who either did not read my post, making assumptions as to its content, or merely failed to understand my explicit wording. Whatever the case, I'd like to remind anyone reading this thread that I in no way was soliciting (or requesting solicitation). I CERTAINLY never came close to asking if someone would mail me shit. I was asking about how trustworthy certain types of sites were and hinting that I wouldn't mind knowing of a particular trustworthy site that made -suggestions- about online pharms (and yeah, maybe that was bad netiquette). And for all the name-calling, I may be a moron, but at least I'm not a hypocritical illiterate.

That said, I'd like to THANK those of you who actually read my post and offered some sound advice. Like tm420tm - thanks. And uh... thanks for the suggestions as to what I should do with myself - I appreciate the suggestions, but I think I'll pass. (But hey, if you're into red hot pokers up the ass, I won't judge you for that). I'm sure such posts fall well within the guidelines too. As for the no paragraphs thing, sorry, my mistake. The first post actually DID have paragraphs originally, but I wrote it in another app, (disabled javascript in my browser) and pasted it into the text field for this post and the line breaks didn't copy over.

And lastly, having searched (searched, searched!) for a while after making that post, I did find a site that promises it will have fentanyl available on Dec 1. It is supposedly a reputable site, and has been around for a while - based on what other 3rd party sites and boards have said about it. They don't say how much they will charge for it, though - so they very well might want to rape customers for it in the manner that tm420tm described. I'd paste the url and email I received from them here, but I'd like to avoid any more flames.

Anyway, uh... thanks again.

exitwound

11-17-2006, 03:16 PM

The short answer is NO. The "services" you are thinking of are rip-offs, they just give you lists of regular old Online Pharmacies that you can get from any public board such as DrugBuyers, or even right here on the Opiophorum! Total rip-off, useless bullshit.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you :-(

SpecialGuy69

11-17-2006, 05:13 PM

Okay. Well if you weren't soliciting shipments of free fent patches from opioforum members, then I take it back. There are take-backs on flame posts, right?

Anyways, like exit said- it's a ripoff. No real site sells fent, or any sch2's reliably. Stick with hydro or your gonna get ripped. And you don't need to pay some site just to give you the url to another website. Save your $. If you go this route, you are flushing your $ down the toilet. Just send your $ to me instead. I'll send you my soggy used pod grounds, then you can at least say you got something for your money.

Seriously, buy pods instead. And PLEASE don't make your next post "where can I buy pods?" please.

insaneike

11-17-2006, 07:05 PM

SpecialGuy69

11-18-2006, 02:01 AM

Ike- prepare for the massive influx of PM's! I've seen plenty of websites offering (IMO very overpriced) class 2's, but I always assumed it was a scam. Or, maybe they send it to you, but then you still have to make it through customs, etc. I don't think there are any online pharmacies in the regular sense, with a US based prescribing doc and a consultation that are doing class 2's.

Here's the proof for me: Look through old posts till you find one about an online pharmacy selling class 2's. Click on the url. Undoubtably, if it's more than a few months old, the url isn't valid anymore. That makes me think they are very fly-by-night type of places. Maybe there really are a few, but I've been around the ROP and NROP block, and I dont run across too many I'd feel confident leaving my CC# with.

Ike- If I'm wrong, let me know. How legit are these places? Prescription? US based or overseas?

red26

11-18-2006, 02:26 AM

No joke. The first thing that crossed my mind was " how can I do this in a cool manner?" I got all exciteapated-n- shit, my heart hate got happy too. But naahhh, I'd rather just get some of my own shit than bother another person here for all that.;)

veovis

11-18-2006, 02:00 PM

Or, maybe they send it to you, but then you still have to make it through customs, etc. I don't think there are any online pharmacies in the regular sense, with a US based prescribing doc and a consultation that are doing class 2's.

Yeah, exactly. This place (which technically isn't "overseas" but isn't the US either) that I found that promises to have them by Dec 1st has a little page about customs. The site says their business is totally honest (but don't they all!) but that they're not responsible if customs seizes your order. They say it's very rare, due to a small percentage of packages being randomly checked, but that it does happen. If it happens twice, they won't ship to you a third time, to protect themselves (fair enough, I'd say). As for what happens to you, you simply get a notice informing you that customs seized a shipment that was on it's way to you, and thats it. Though I'm sure your name no doubt ends up on some list somewhere. Since I have a friend who often buys cannabis seeds online, I know that this is indeed what happens if customs somehow finds out.

So anyway, I'm torn about whether to trust this place or not. Come Dec 1st, if SWIM does end up going for it, I'll be sure to post to this thread with his results. In the meantime, it's good to have read that someone has had some luck finding reliable sources for sched II stuff online. Thats really SWIM's only hope of getting some fentanyl again. So theres hope yet! Has anyone else had luck similar to insaneike?

And no worries about the flames. I shoulda worded my first post better.

SpecialGuy69

11-18-2006, 02:06 PM

Don't waste your money. Everyone told you that and you still want to do it? I don't know what else to tell you, just don't do it. It's not worth it. I give up.

veovis

11-18-2006, 02:52 PM

Don't waste your money. Everyone told you that and you still want to do it? I don't know what else to tell you, just don't do it. It's not worth it. I give up.

I tend to take your word for it because I'd rather err on the side of caution. But no, not "everyone told" me. Theres another post (insaneike's) which basically says you don't know what you're talking about. Is he full of crap? I have no reason to take the advice of one over the other. Hence my being torn. As I mentioned, that really is SWIM's only way to get fentanyl patches - so he might be willing to take some risk before resigning to never having that experience again.
I don't see how you can say it's "not worth it" when you don't even have any idea what price they're asking for. I don't KNOW if SWIM is going to order or not, but if he does, and you're right, I will post to this thread and validate your advice. No skin off anyone's nose but SWIM's - and a possibility that you will get the satisfaction of saying "I told you so."

SpecialGuy69

11-18-2006, 03:00 PM

I don't want you to get ripped off. I don't want to say I told you so. I want to give you good advice and help you make the smart decesion. But, if you can't stand not knowing, go for it. Like if you will always wonder if it would have happened, take a shot. There is a slim chance you get your patches, it's not odds I like.

There is a better chance that sometime in the future, someone will have fent patches for you to buy. Who knows... I ran across three 50ug fent patches on my birthday for $20/each, totally randomly. I wasn't that impressed, to be honest with you- with fent, you either have to wear them as directed (no rush or euphoria to speak of), or use much more risky methods of ingestion (eating it/smoking the gel). Do you know if these patches are supposed to be the gel pouch kind or the solid kind? How do you plan on ingesting the fent?

I dont think even Ike would say that there is a good chance you get your shit from this website. Ike is just saying that there are places out there that sell the shit. I'm sure there are legit sites, but they are FAR outnumbered by ripoff sites.

Think about it- if you don't get your shit, what are you gonna do? Who are you gonna complain to? Nothing/Nobody, that's what. So, what motivation do they have to send you anything? Not much.

ZodiacKiller

11-18-2006, 03:11 PM

veovis

11-18-2006, 03:31 PM

(this post is in reference to tm420tm's post #16)
I see your points... and they are good ones. And in all likelihood, I will heed your advice. I haven't come to that decision yet, though. Part of me is waiting to see how much they want for their product. If it's not an insane amount, I might go ahead and suggest to SWIM that he take the risk. We'll see.

As for method of ingestion, SWIM would smoke it the way I described he did in my first post - if the product is the gel patches. If not, SWIM has read of other methods (even on this very site) that sound decent and relatively safe in the short term. SWIM wouldn't use these patches often - he didn't when he had them before.

And yeah, you're right, there isn't all that much motivation for them to send SWIM the product if they are a fly-by-night (as you call them) business. But if they aren't, then they probably would like return customers. I imagine thats where the $ really is. And they probably realize that they can't exactly advertise via mainstream circuits and therefore get their business as a result of people like me searching for info on them on boards like this to see if they're legit. Maybe I'm just making excuses because it's what I want to believe, but that generally is how markets tend to work, I think.

Anyway, thanks. Regardless of what SWIM's choice ends up being, this thread and the other ones you posted in regarding this stuff (yeah, I did the searches you suggested) were very educational to say the least.

elay2838

11-18-2006, 03:35 PM

they're not responsible if customs seizes your order. They say it's very rare, due to a small percentage of packages being randomly checked, but that it does happen. If it happens twice, they won't ship to you a third time, to protect themselves (fair enough, I'd say). As for what happens to you, you simply get a notice informing you that customs seized a shipment that was on it's way to you, and thats it.

Tell you what, you send me a check or money order and I'll be sure to send you a piece of paper saying it was siezed. I won't even limit you to 2 times. As long as you keep sending me money, I'll keep on sending you those papers.

veovis

11-18-2006, 03:53 PM

Can I just chime in here and ask how you, the OP, living in Northern Cali, don't have an opio-connect yourself? Why would you wanna take a huge chance on a possibly shady site, and perhaps lose a significant amount of cash, when, if you applied yourself, you could find a hook-up of some sort where you live?

To be perfectly honest, because I don't know how to do that. I'm not... "street smart." I'd probably say something wrong like I did in my first post to this board and get my ass kicked. Not to mention all the usual reasons why street drugs have downfalls that pharms (even illegal ones) tend not to have. Like unknown purity, unknown fillers, etc. In some ways, face-to-face transactions are more a risk than online ones, wouldn't you agree?

Does it have to be fent? I know for a fact that Cali is inundated with tar heroin....I know this and I live a thousand miles away...

SWIM would prefer fent, for a few reasons, but it's not totally necessary. SWIM has lots of experience with dilaudid (hydromorphone) a little bit with oxycodone, and a fair amount with methadone. SWIM says none of them have the rush that fent does, and despite how fun dilaudid is for a while, it tends to last too long, and tends to make him feel a little sick and unable to sleep during the comedown. But no, SWIM would not draw the line at only using fent... which has it's imperfections too.

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Ok, I guess I'm being a fool. I won't attempt to buy from an overseas NROP. I'll cross my fingers and hope something comes up someday, like tm420tm suggested. My apologies for apparently beating a dead horse.

SpecialGuy69

11-18-2006, 07:33 PM

To be perfectly honest, because I don't know how to do that. I'm not... "street smart." I'd probably say something wrong like I did in my first post to this board and get my ass kicked. Not to mention all the usual reasons why street drugs have downfalls that pharms (even illegal ones) tend not to have. Like unknown purity, unknown fillers, etc. In some ways, face-to-face transactions are more a risk than online ones, wouldn't you agree? nope. face to face, you can feel someone out. Online, it could be a cop in uniform, working at the local police station...

SWIM would prefer fent, for a few reasons, but it's not totally necessary. SWIM has lots of experience with dilaudid (hydromorphone) a little bit with oxycodone, and a fair amount with methadone. SWIM says none of them have the rush that fent does, and despite how fun dilaudid is for a while, it tends to last too long,
too long? If I could, I'd stay high forever. That's just me, though. But, I've never heard anyone complain that dillies last too long before. Compared to other opiates, they are pretty short-acting.

tends to make him feel a little sick and unable to sleep during the comedown. okay i can feel ya here.

Ok, I guess I'm being a fool. I won't attempt to buy from an overseas NROP. I'll cross my fingers and hope something comes up someday, like tm420tm suggested. My apologies for apparently beating a dead horse.No apologies necessary. I'm glad your money will stay where it belongs. The only way I'd consider the transaction you're describing is if I had some type of escrow set up, where funds would only be released upon receipt of patches. If you do get fent, be careful, it's some seriously powerful shit. You need to excercise extra caution.

Oh, and I think you can give up the SWIM bit on this one.

PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO

11-18-2006, 07:46 PM

i second that you can Definetly give up the swim bit. just listen to what the majority of people are saying. or listen to the minority. thats up to you but whatever you do apply common sense.

veovis

11-18-2006, 07:59 PM

too long? If I could, I'd stay high forever. That's just me, though. But, I've never heard anyone complain that dillies last too long before. Compared to other opiates, they are pretty short-acting.

Well, the comedown lasts a long time, in my experience, compared to the others I've tried. And also, what I do for work, I really can't do it high - so short-acting opiates can be a real benefit sometimes.

If you do get fent, be careful, it's some seriously powerful shit. You need to excercise extra caution.

Thanks for the advice. I know it is strong, one reason I like it is because it takes only a minuscule amount to do the trick well. Like I said in my first post, I don't (and wouldn't) eat fent - hard to gauge the dose. And I don't shoot anything, just because of the added health risks, when smoking works fine for me.

Oh, and I think you can give up the SWIM bit on this one.

Yeah, I figured as much, but I thought I'd stick with it for consistency's sake.

Guess it's kinda sad when one is too lacking in confidence to become a user (on any level more than mere pseudo-opportunist). Sigh, thanks again.
*returns to lurk-mode*

vaxn8

11-20-2006, 08:22 AM

Part of me is waiting to see how much they want for their product. If it's not an insane amount, I might go ahead and suggest to SWIM that he take the risk.

I'm not sure what is an insane amount to you, but retail US price on the 75 ug patches is around $45 each. I can't imagine what they would mark that up to online, I'm sure it would be insane to me though.

Like unknown purity, unknown fillers, etc.

Personally, as one who uses both, I find the cuts in dope to be safer than the fillers in pharms. Really depends a lot of route of administration.

It did used to be possible to get CII's online, but hasn't been in quite awhile. Other people have already named the risks, so i won't repeat. One of our former members did order a bottle of pure oxy or hydrocodone, I forget which it was, it was several years ago. They actually did deliver to him, this was before they cracked down on US sites. I do not know anyone who has done this sucessfully in the last couple of years. Of course whenever this comes up, someone says oh, that's so easy, i know at least 5 places that would send me whatever i want. I've never met anyone that has actually done it though and suceeded. I have read about lots of people NOT getting what they wanted.

nick

11-20-2006, 10:00 AM

Unless you have a severe health problem and are very lucky,you won't get well with an online pharmacy.If you're going to send money send it to me and I'll put it to good use.
Actually you've been offered some really cool advice above,please heed it.

insaneike

11-25-2006, 11:24 PM

I tend to take your word for it because I'd rather err on the side of caution. But no, not "everyone told" me. Theres another post (insaneike's) which basically says you don't know what you're talking about. Is he full of crap? I have no reason to take the advice of one over the other. Hence my being torn. As I mentioned, that really is SWIM's only way to get fentanyl patches - so he might be willing to take some risk before resigning to never having that experience again.
I don't see how you can say it's "not worth it" when you don't even have any idea what price they're asking for. I don't KNOW if SWIM is going to order or not, but if he does, and you're right, I will post to this thread and validate your advice. No skin off anyone's nose but SWIM's - and a possibility that you will get the satisfaction of saying "I told you so."

Umm, I thought you were asking is there sites that offer Schedule II class narcotic opioids... Such as Fentnayl. If so, there is two legit ones I know of and can personaly verify ones legitness along with an e-mail order person... Someone has received quite a few orders from said places.
Keep in mind this was under 10 unders(5-7, i forget), and I also know MANY ppl who also receive their product just fine.

Thats if you're asking if theres a place for schedule II drugs and if they're legit, cause the answer is yes, HELL yes ;) and ppl PLEASE PLEASE stop the PMs when someone mentions sites with drugs, k?
THis is soley hypothetical, like they would really sell drugs like that :rolleyes:

So yeah, someone, and many others can safely say they hypothetically received many CII class orders from foreign online pharms(e-mail order ones are the best, which WONT have sites, but sites are legit too, but cost A LOT), so there ya go. I'm gonna say about a 60/40 ppl get caught? Or less, as I've not heard of a single person I know having their packages searched/caught. Well, aside from this one dude... they found his 300count order of Vals. Now with a drug like benzos they will just send you a letter and something about u can go to court and try and get your item back(who would be that damn stupid!), but with Schedule II narcotics, if you're caught, I'd say your ass is gonna get something as a punishment... though I don't PERSONALY know anyone whose been caught receiving from overseas places.

Oh, and if you're looking for no-script sites selling Schedule II stuff, DON'T USE SHIT YOU FIND ON SEARCH ENGINES AND THE LIKE! ONLY use what sites friends give you!!! Searching for this stuff will just yeld being ripped off most likely unless you wanna go with the consultation and have legit med records.

I done forgot your main Q and talking out my ass all hypothetically and done forgot what I was getting at so ya...

later

chemboy7

11-26-2006, 12:07 AM

So yeah, someone, and many others can safely say they hypothetically received many CII class orders from foreign online pharms(e-mail order ones are the best, which WONT have sites, but sites are legit too, but cost A LOT), so there ya go. I'm gonna say about a 60/40 ppl get caught? Or less, as I've not heard of a single person I know having their packages searched/caught. Well, aside from this one dude... they found his 300count order of Vals. Now with a drug like benzos they will just send you a letter and something about u can go to court and try and get your item back(who would be that damn stupid!), but with Schedule II narcotics, if you're caught, I'd say your ass is gonna get something as a punishment... though I don't PERSONALY know anyone whose been caught receiving from overseas places.

See I think that it would have to be a fairly large amount, even a CII substance, before they take any action other than the love note. I personally know of people that have had CII scripts for amounts like 50-150 get confinscated at the border and they got the same letter that they would have for benzos. I have no idea at what point, if any, they decide to persue the matter and prosecute; I know that atleast 150 count CII scipts wont.

vaxn8

11-26-2006, 12:44 AM

See I think that it would have to be a fairly large amount, even a CII substance, before they take any action other than the love note.

I would agree with Chem- the dea isn't going to bother with Johnny Oxyhead trying to buy a bottle of oxy online. I do think they are paying attention and will look into the source, but they don't have the time or resources to chase after every moron that tries to get a cii online. They are happy if they can prevent you from getting your shipment.

Also, there is no such thing as a "legit" online pharmacy that sells cii drugs. The pharmacies may exist, but they are NOT legitimate or legal.

SpecialGuy69

11-26-2006, 03:04 AM

^^^ and if a site is not legit or legal, what recourse do you have if they don't send shit, or send you a fake "love letter"? What motivation do they even have to send you the shit in the first place- you can't do anything if they don't, and it's not like your gonna track them down. And don't even say repeat business, because there's no garuntee your gonna order again, and even still, they can just set up another website and take your $ again- it's much easier to do that than it is to actually find a pharmacy that sells this shit and go there buying large quantities of CII's and then packaging and shipping them overseas.

Just like Vax said, it can be done, and it is being done, but unless you have money to lose, I wouldn't take the chance.

vaxn8

11-26-2006, 03:47 AM

^Couldn't you just complain to Amex or VISA and ask them to reverse the charge? I'd just say hey, my fent amps didn't show up from Nigeria, can you please reverse the charge? Don't they guarantee purchases up to some amount?;)

flipside

11-26-2006, 06:14 AM

I bet Ike knows;)

Ike word of advice, if you don't want Pm's re" ROP's stop saying you can " personaly vouch for the legitmiateness of one & provide e-mail contact person."

Buddy your just asking to get flooded. Did you mabey smoke a little too much Fent tonight?:cool:

chemboy7

11-26-2006, 09:11 AM

Umm, I thought you were asking is there sites that offer Schedule II class narcotic opioids... Such as Fentnayl. If so, there is two legit ones I know of and can personaly verify ones legitness along with an e-mail order person... Someone has received quite a few orders from said places.
Keep in mind this was under 10 unders(5-7, i forget), and I also know MANY ppl who also receive their product just fine.

Thats if you're asking if theres a place for schedule II drugs and if they're legit, cause the answer is yes, HELL yes ;) and ppl PLEASE PLEASE stop the PMs when someone mentions sites with drugs, k?
THis is soley hypothetical, like they would really sell drugs like that :rolleyes:

So yeah, someone, and many others can safely say they hypothetically received many CII class orders from foreign online pharms(e-mail order ones are the best, which WONT have sites, but sites are legit too, but cost A LOT), so there ya go. I'm gonna say about a 60/40 ppl get caught? Or less, as I've not heard of a single person I know having their packages searched/caught. Well, aside from this one dude... they found his 300count order of Vals. Now with a drug like benzos they will just send you a letter and something about u can go to court and try and get your item back(who would be that damn stupid!), but with Schedule II narcotics, if you're caught, I'd say your ass is gonna get something as a punishment... though I don't PERSONALY know anyone whose been caught receiving from overseas places.

Oh, and if you're looking for no-script sites selling Schedule II stuff, DON'T USE SHIT YOU FIND ON SEARCH ENGINES AND THE LIKE! ONLY use what sites friends give you!!! Searching for this stuff will just yeld being ripped off most likely unless you wanna go with the consultation and have legit med records.

I done forgot your main Q and talking out my ass all hypothetically and done forgot what I was getting at so ya...

later

Hey Ike, one thing that just popped into my head. I know for a fact that there ARE online pharmacies that sell CII meds without consultation or scripts; I even know of a couple vendors that I can get Fent pops from. Reading over your post for a second time though and saying that you (oh yeah SWIM) have ordered CII meds offline many times. What shot through my head then was all your post how you get your meds for so outrageously cheap and you think that even what you pay is expensive and anyone who pays more than you is just plain stupid and I think to myself: "the most expensive place you can by CII meds is online". Were talking about more than the $1 am mg for that oxy your always cutting people down and saying that they aren't worth more than a cent over $15 an 80 (or some crazy lowball number along those lines). And in the case of Fent, yeah like I said I have seen it in the product cateloge of a few companies that I know from experience ship CII meds no problem and the average price for those online is around $70 for one 1600mcg pop before shipping. So unless you got some magical source that decided to go against the grain and charge like 75% less than the online competition I would say that your just as big a moron as all the people you cut down for paying high prices because if your buying CII online I garantee that you are paying through your nostril. I don't know though, prove me wrong Ike, PM me this magical source from the end of the rainbow where you can buy Fenanyl and other CII narcotics without a script for the dirt cheap prices that you refuse to pay higher for; because after all, only retards pay those kinds of prices for pills right? Otherwise your not only a hypocrite for getting onto people overpaying for their pharms paying street prices but your also stupider than they are because on average the cost of CII meds online is well over street value.

And don't think this is my cleaver scheme to get at your source... you said they were overseas I refuse to use online pharmacies that don't ship from within the US anyways because I don't want to deal with customs and I definately aint gonna be handing it out once you send it. I just think 1) you probably do have a source but are paying more than street value for the meds you order from them then getting on here about once a week to tell everyone how stupid they are for paying those outrageous street prices, or 2) you just have a habit of blowing smoke up people pantlegs and have a compulsive urge to brag about what mad hook-ups you got and how your paying like 1/8 of what any of us are and we're all morons for considering paying even a cent more cause if your dealer tried charging you that you'd laugh in his face.

I don't know though; pretty sure I'm right, but that's a big accusation. PM me this source from the stars that your getting all these mad deals on CII meds and I'll run it through different message boards search engines and see what other people that have used them have to say to make sure it's not a scam site... If I'm wrong and you really have struck gold not only will I publically recant all that was said here but also throw some points your way. I just find it hard to believe that you would find an online vendor willing to take the risk of selling CII meds to someone like you who refuses to pay anything more than atleast half what the rest of us have to pay. These companies are taking a pretty good sized risk selling that shit; they don't do it cheap.

flipside

11-26-2006, 09:37 AM

Hey Ike, one thing that just popped into my head. I know for a fact that there ARE online pharmacies that sell CII meds without consultation or scripts; I even know of a couple vendors that I can get Fent pops from. Reading over your post for a second time though and saying that you (oh yeah SWIM) have ordered CII meds offline many times. What shot through my head then was all your post how you get your meds for so outrageously cheap and you think that even what you pay is expensive and anyone who pays more than you is just plain stupid and I think to myself: "the most expensive place you can by CII meds is online". Were talking about more than the $1 am mg for that oxy your always cutting people down and saying that they aren't worth more than a cent over $15 an 80 (or some crazy lowball number along those lines). And in the case of Fent, yeah like I said I have seen it in the product cateloge of a few companies that I know from experience ship CII meds no problem and the average price for those online is around $70 for one 1600mcg pop before shipping. So unless you got some magical source that decided to go against the grain and charge like 75% less than the online competition I would say that your just as big a moron as all the people you cut down for paying high prices because if your buying CII online I garantee that you are paying through your nostril. I don't know though, prove me wrong Ike, PM me this magical source from the end of the rainbow where you can buy Fenanyl and other CII narcotics without a script for the dirt cheap prices that you refuse to pay higher for; because after all, only retards pay those kinds of prices for pills right? Otherwise your not only a hypocrite for getting onto people overpaying for their pharms paying street prices but your also stupider than they are because on average the cost of CII meds online is well over street value.

And don't think this is my cleaver scheme to get at your source... you said they were overseas I refuse to use online pharmacies that don't ship from within the US anyways because I don't want to deal with customs and I definately aint gonna be handing it out once you send it. I just think 1) you probably do have a source but are paying more than street value for the meds you order from them then getting on here about once a week to tell everyone how stupid they are for paying those outrageous street prices, or 2) you just have a habit of blowing smoke up people pantlegs and have a compulsive urge to brag about what mad hook-ups you got and how your paying like 1/8 of what any of us are and we're all morons for considering paying even a cent more cause if your dealer tried charging you that you'd laugh in his face.

I don't know though; pretty sure I'm right, but that's a big accusation. PM me this source from the stars that your getting all these mad deals on CII meds and I'll run it through different message boards search engines and see what other people that have used them have to say to make sure it's not a scam site... If I'm wrong and you really have struck gold not only will I publically recant all that was said here but also throw some points your way. I just find it hard to believe that you would find an online vendor willing to take the risk of selling CII meds to someone like you who refuses to pay anything more than atleast half what the rest of us have to pay. These companies are taking a pretty good sized risk selling that shit; they don't do it cheap.

Way to break it down, wanna bet you get acussed of twisting what he said?

It is a nice, well thought out post, but I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears, unfortunately:rolleyes:

Prove me wrong Ike, please

devilsdrug

11-26-2006, 10:04 AM

yes id luv cheap fent pouches of gel sign my mutha fukken ass up homy

SpecialGuy69

11-26-2006, 10:29 AM

Chem- exactly what I was trying to say but couldn't phrase it diplomatically enough so I gave up and didn't post it. Thanks.

insaneike

11-26-2006, 12:21 PM

Kinda well said, yeah... but kidna wrong and mileaded omewhere... :S Though someone hasn't ordered from X places in ages, atleast 2 years... ATLEAST, ever since someone was legaly diagnosed with his problems
and legaly prescribed meds(be it not even enough :mad:). I pay $180 for 10 fent patches right now(lil 25mcg/hr ones), and that is kinda cheap for the pain releif I get from them. and someone I know has no need to order online anymore, as someone buys there Oxy illicitly(w00t, gotta love those precious roxi!) at a decent price cause the woman feels for him being in pain y'know?

And yeah, $1/mg for freaking oxy... damn right I'm gonna knock those prices, no doubt, as thats a plain ripoff man! :P

and yup, the online places/dudes are gonna cost you, cost as much as a legit doc visit would+filling brand name scripts... so they would only be worthwhile for a backup source, unless you plain out can't get anything then, like someone used to do before he went to a doc, order them. but what is it that lead you to believe I actually use X pharmacies? I don't buy a single thing online anymore... what in the world are u saying? that I'm paying the high prices that I knock on ppl for!?!? HAHA! yeah, try again, but someone(deff not me) hasn't ordered from online in at least 2 years ever since he went and seen a doc. So lets try and find another way to be a dick, can we? As I would never say some hypocrite shit like that, I might have some dumb ass stuck up opinions on what I think is a reasonable price, yeah, big deal, and...

later

devilsdrug

11-26-2006, 12:24 PM

ok , damn i knew i was dreamin again shit

insaneike

11-26-2006, 12:35 PM

ok , damn i knew i was dreamin again shit

Sadly, yes, I sure wouldn't mind a fent source that is half assed priced :p THat will be the day, when I can afford to buy 10 patches plus the 10 to get refilled, mmmm, thats gonna be the day!

later

akcom

11-26-2006, 12:52 PM

The sources for Fentanyl and the likes are out there, and some of them are legit. The only legitimate powerful opiate distributors I've found are email only. Familiar with Overseas Pharmacy?

insaneike

11-26-2006, 12:58 PM

The sources for Fentanyl and the likes are out there, and some of them are legit. The only legitimate powerful opiate distributors I've found are email only. Familiar with Overseas Pharmacy?

This man right here know, the e-mail order ones are even alot better
all around, usualy alot cheaper than sites(still pretty high though, but reasonable if its all u can get i guess)
. I know this one dude that was based in Pakistan about 3-4year ago was the BOMB SHIT! I don't think he carried fent though, but basicly everything else :D does anyone here know if this dude is still operating??? that'd be nice to know, as we wasn't a ripoff as far as I remember.

later

flipside

11-26-2006, 01:25 PM

Chem 7 I hate to say it, but I told ya so;)

SpecialGuy69

11-26-2006, 02:33 PM

Theres a lot of discussion about email sources on drugbuyers.com - the general concensus it that the people who endorse it are shills (not Ike or the new guy, I'm talking about over there) and, even if they send you free samples, or agree to take half the $ up front and half upon delivery, or both, they are still gonna rip you off.

Basically if you are a dick, and you live in any country with easy (or unknown) access to pharmies, you can just start emailing price lists to people and they will send you money. Sad but true.

Why bother to take the trip to the post office when you can just create another email account right from your computer? Who gives a shit if someone halfway around the world is mad at you? Why bother to actually stock inventory when you don't have to?

Or, the ripoffs can send just one or two guys the shit- and rip off everyone else- and those two will keep singing the ripoff's praises and more people will fall victim.

chemboy7

11-26-2006, 04:06 PM

Way to break it down, wanna bet you get acussed of twisting what he said?

It is a nice, well thought out post, but I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears, unfortunately:rolleyes:

Prove me wrong Ike, please

Look's like I'm not the only psychic around here eh? Yeah he hit me up PM first just kinda asking what my problem is... but not submitting proof. I don't have a problem with you Ike, I really don't man but your post rub me and alot of other people the wrong way. You call people morons (Ike's word not mine) for paying standard street prices for Pharmecueticals then you turn around and talk about using an overseas online pharmacy to obtain CII medication; and I know for a fact that CII medications sold online are generally sold at OVER there street price, plus shipping and handling (and I'm not talking like $7-$8 more like $35-$40). I just thought it was alittle comical that our very own Ike who has been around here forever and who's seemed to make it his own going mission to let us know he pays 1/4 of what we do on everything and it's like 10x better... anyone paying our prices must be buying off niggers (again Ike's word, not mine) but then you go and pay more for the same pills (probably of a lesser quality depending on what overseas contry you are ordering from) through and overseas vendor (who more than likely has a dark complexion himself) with a chance of it getting confinscated and in the very least a good couple weeks worth of waitiing of your stash. And money was what you always seemed to think was the most important thing so unless you could send that PM proof to me so I can appologize I'd say that going through the shady online vendors your paying even more cash so it's really kinda stupid getting on to their case because of paying street prices on American FDA controlled drugs right then and there, which ends up being cheaper when compared to wherever you order from whatever country your overseas vendor is located in with unknown quality/potency of your medications (depending on where you are ordering from) and then the risk of them getting through customs. Best case senario is you send them you money and wait for 2 weeks hoping that your package comes and is actually what it is labled or of proper potency. And like another member said, if he agreed on the price and paid it than it was worth it to him and none of your business.

insaneike

11-26-2006, 04:59 PM

But I never said I use these online places... well I have(like i said, 2 years ago atleast) may ahve purchased from online places and they are ALOT more(actualy a BIG jip comapred to out street prices in the US) and you're right, damn right, if you get the stronger stuff from online palces you're gonna pay sooo much that it should be a last resort. I personaly would never buy that stuff now, deff not the fent! I never said I did either, did I? I think I just said I have hypotheticly before... As nowadays, since I know more about the drugs, ect. would never buy that stuff, but you CAN get it, and ti will cost ALOT(like ATLEAST 2-3x street price)... I never said that I buy them though, did I? Yes, someone has before, but that was god... atleast 1.5-2yr ago before I was ever prescribed anything but Lortabs.

So, you misunderstood what I said, man... as you seemed to think Is aid I buy this stuff then turn around all hypocrite like and bitch at ppl for doing that. Well i DONT! I never buy that stuff anymore, no way in hell, I'd rather buy some gear for the prices they charge! Just becasue I have, doens't mean I still do, dude...
you just jumped to the conclusion that I did for some reason without actualy asking me if I sitll do frst, and putting words in my mouth.

All in all, I do admit i say some shit about ppl who pay $1/mg for Oxy... but thats my opinion and ti doesn't hurt a soul! And I did never say I buy from these online places
. SO you, proove me wrong actualy... I'm PRETTY SURE that I siad I have bought before.. i might be wrong but what I 'thought' I said man! What amkes u think I pay those prices from online places? Just cause someone might know where to get it, and might have before, that does NOT mean I still do, dude! jeez...

I admit when I say shit I shouldn't, like about dissing ppl who pay $1/mg for oxy(but I honestly feel that they are being ripped off for that... seriously...) so why must you keep on about putting words in my mouth abotu saying i pay for tese online pharms? THe ONLY fent I buy is my 10 Sandoz 25mcg/hr patches from my pharmacy for $180, and to me, thats a decent price, NOT from an online pharm, as if so that would be a damn $500 I BET... so yeah, i never said I buy these things, why can't u understand that?

later

shaunclo

11-26-2006, 05:57 PM

despite how fun dilaudid is for a while, it tends to last too long, and tends to make him feel a little sick and unable to sleep during the comedown.

Huh?? diluadid is one of the most shortest acting opiates you can get......you said you have had experience with methadone, yet you say dilaudid last sooo long? are you sure your talking about dilaudid??

vaxn8

11-26-2006, 06:55 PM

The sources for Fentanyl and the likes are out there, and some of them are legit. The only legitimate powerful opiate distributors I've found are email only. Familiar with Overseas Pharmacy?

There is NO such thing as a legitimate pharmacy that sells cii's without a script.

1 a : lawfully begotten; specifically : born in wedlock b : having full filial rights and obligations by birth <a legitimate child>
2 : being exactly as purposed : neither spurious nor false <a legitimate grievance> <a legitimate practitioner>
3 a : accordant with law or with established legal forms and requirements <a legitimate government>
b : ruling by or based on the strict principle of hereditary right <a legitimate king>
4 : conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards <a legitimate advertising expenditure> <a legitimate inference>
5 : relating to plays acted by professional actors but not including revues, burlesque, or some forms of musical comedy <the legitimate theater>
synonym see LAWFUL (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/lawful)

insaneike

11-26-2006, 07:48 PM

Yeah, legit as in legaly sold, hehe, no chance in hell. If they find your package... well tough luck :p

Theres no way you could get the completely legaly without a script... that will be the day :D

later

youwonhundred

12-03-2006, 12:45 AM

Whoever said you can't get Fentanyl online is completely ignorant on the subject... it's as easy as percocet are to get so ya know...

I've got 3 sources right now for fent, two being websites one being on e-mail order... One site sells pouches(not patches) of fentnayl concentrated gel and the same site also has Fentanyl Ampules. I know of nother site that sells fentnayl patches(some brand that starts with a J or jenesis or somehting...). they cost ALOT but you can no doubt order without a script or consultation EASILY... one site only takes credit card(one wiht the gel pouches) and one takes M/O or checks(one with patches). The e-mail roder GUY(no business) takes cash or M/O and is pakistan(hah!)... a;; are VERY legit.

One also has OXy 80s and 40s... god dman $65cent a mg though so ti's HUGE fkn ripoff...

but u Can no doubt get CII shit offline easy...

later

OK, so this post is two weeks ago, and now you say, more times than i can count (I'm high and lost count at six) that you did not say that. I'm sorry, y'all, I don't mean to be rude in any way, but I gotta call bullshit, Ike. Do you even bother to keep your bullshit straight? I would have to suggest that if you cant, you might want to read your own posts, otherwise you'll never get your story straight. Personally, I just figure 99% of what you type is fabrication, and everything will be fine.

One other suggestion, Ike. Firefox 2 has a spellchecker, use it.

To everyone else, I apologize, but I forgot my hipwaders, and the bullshit meter was going off.

And now that I am properly medicated, unlike this morning when i read the thread and saw the photoshopped image, WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE OSTRICH? :P

Wait, I can actually say that I have been high enough before to actually consider raping the ostrich... Man, those were the days... But the last time I did any acid was at a Dead show in 93... and i dont think they had any ostriches there. What a shame.

Damn, I gotta apologize again, I shifted mental gears there real quick... I blame my daughter's rap music playing in the background.

SpecialGuy69

12-03-2006, 12:59 AM

Shaun- don't worry, I think we have seen the last of vevois- but maybe he was talking about palladone? (not likely someone who's giving their money to scammer pharmacies is going to have a hookup for something that exotic)

Savage- what are you referring to? I'm really interested, love seeing someone get called on their bullshit, but I don't follow ya. I think you are flirting with a really good point here, but just didn't spell it out clear enough for dummies like me. Please clarify. Thanks, bro!

devilsdrug

12-03-2006, 07:57 AM

fuk speel checker and the grammer kops this aint inglish klass

nick

12-03-2006, 09:51 AM

fuk speel checker and the grammer kops this aint inglish klass
Good job really.(jk)

insaneike

12-03-2006, 03:19 PM

OK, so this post is two weeks ago, and now you say, more times than i can count (I'm high and lost count at six) that you did not say that. I'm sorry, y'all, I don't mean to be rude in any way, but I gotta call bullshit, Ike. Do you even bother to keep your bullshit straight? I would have to suggest that if you cant, you might want to read your own posts, otherwise you'll never get your story straight. Personally, I just figure 99% of what you type is fabrication, and everything will be fine.

One other suggestion, Ike. Firefox 2 has a spellchecker, use it.

To everyone else, I apologize, but I forgot my hipwaders, and the bullshit meter was going off.

And now that I am properly medicated, unlike this morning when i read the thread and saw the photoshopped image, WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THE OSTRICH? :P

Wait, I can actually say that I have been high enough before to actually consider raping the ostrich... Man, those were the days... But the last time I did any acid was at a Dead show in 93... and i dont think they had any ostriches there. What a shame.

Damn, I gotta apologize again, I shifted mental gears there real quick... I blame my daughter's rap music playing in the background.

What I posted was soely hypothetical if you didn't notice... like theres really sources for that shit online and I would know of them! :rolleyes: it's all a plan to gain an e-schlong, der! then I can poke you in the eye! I thought I said it was hypothetical lol. THX for pointed that out though and I'm glad my posts get you so wound up :cool:

later

EDIT:: I said I didn't say that? ummm, no? i said BUY from said places, not syaing i haven't years ago... but whatever getts you off, glad i'm entertaining :)

OxyContinuously

12-06-2006, 09:43 AM

Veovis, are you a fucking piggy? you don't seem to know a lot about obvious shit and your blatant solicitation puts up a red flag. If you are, you are, if not, disregard this response and no offense.

greenfox

12-06-2006, 10:13 AM

*SNIP!*

OK, im not high enough to deal with all this... dude not to be mean but the only thing I can say is I used the ol' CTRL+F and jeez man....including the title, you used the word "SWIM" TWENTY NINE TIMES! That's justa bit redundant.

greenfox

12-06-2006, 10:32 AM

OK i just did a thorough search for Fentanyl (http://forum.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?f=108) without a prescription and I couldn't find jack. I'm not looking for to buy; I would never trust an online vendor, I just wanted to see if such an animal exists. I don't think it does. Now people don't flame me cuz' I really don't care that much; it's just my foxy $00.02

veovis

12-06-2006, 03:54 PM

Shaun- don't worry, I think we have seen the last of vevois- but maybe he was talking about palladone? (not likely someone who's giving their money to scammer pharmacies is going to have a hookup for something that exotic)

Man you are all (well, not all, but a good percentage of the post-whores are) such huge hypocrites it's mind boggling. Who would have thought junkies would be so elitist and holier-than-thou? First of all, yes, I am still around, as there is indeed good info here if you're willing to sift through the endless posts of regulars blowing each others' horns. If you want to make some private club, hey great, please do so. But if you do, don't pretend this site is about being open and sharing information with other users or potential users. I asked a question regarding online pharmacies, or sites that claim to hook you up with online pharms, some of you took it that I was asking specifically for drugs, which I was not, and which I thought I had cleared up.

I asked the question about the pharms because I didn't know the answer (go figure! But so many here love and ascribe to that complete bullshit logic of "if you have to ask, you'll never know.") --I got advice on this question amidst the flames, some of it conflicting, but most of it saying it wasn't a good idea to do what I was hoping I could do. Fine, thats what I was looking for. But if I had chosen not to follow that advice, it doesn't make me the moron you all seem to enjoy calling me. Ever consider the possibility that I know something you don't? Probably not. Because I'm just a stupid noob. Right?

As for the post saying that no sites are selling sched II drugs like fentanyl, you just haven't looked enough. Ironic that some of the advice I got was to "search search search." I'd post the websites I found, but no doubt I would be accused of soliciting again. One of these sites is actually rated pretty damn good over at drugbuyers.com The others may well be fly-by-night scams, they probably are. Thats why I was asking.

Lastly as for my experience with dilaudid being in question, yes, I was talking about dilaudid. How many times have I read here "experiences are subjective, substances effect different people in many different ways" only to be told I'm full of crap (or rather to be talked about like I'm full of crap because it was assumed I was no longer here) because my experience with a drug didn't quite match its oft-reported effects. Actually, I was referring to the come-down from hydromorphone. After the high is gone, it makes me feel almost... stretched and unable to sleep. This part lasts for a while for me. Why? I don't know. But it does, and yes I'm absolutely sure I was taking dilaudid. I had both 4mg and 8mg hydromorphone pills. After my mom died painfully from cancer recently, I found some of her left-over meds that hospice hadn't found and destroyed. Hydromorphone was one of them. I was even careful enough to use it only once a week. It gave me something to look forward to during what has so far been the darkest time of my life. I used the fentanyl last, and of what I had had, it was the best high in my experience. So naturally I hoped I could somehow find a way to get some more. Silly me! How stupid of me to ask a question I would already know if I'd have been an addict for years already. But I haven't. So I guess I don't get to be part of the in-crowd.

Anyway, thanks for the bits of advice to those who gave it, even if it was laced with disdain. Hopefully I won't be banned for this post, as I do still look around here for the pieces of helpful info (which I've been doing off and on since a while before I decided to register and post). But we'll see. Either way, I'll shut up now and let the inevitable flaming commence.

Sorry, one last thing about the use of SWIM. Yeah, I used it a lot. Congrats on taking the time to actually count the number of times it was used in my long post. I was told at another forum similar to this one that I should ALWAYS use SWIM when discussing the use of drugs. That this was done to PROTECT the site itself, not me. So I used it in my post here as well. My apologies for caring about the continued welfare of this site.