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Karlin
11-15-2006, 05:26 PM
This may get long, I will be as brief as possible.

There is a thing called "unmasking", where the pains are covered up for years on opiates, and then they all come out, including the increased pains over time you didn't realize were there. This is ON TOP of the withdrawal pains of opiates.

I was given a prescription for morphine after many years of having chronic pain condition, something like Fibromyalgia or M/S. It helped a lot, it saved my life. I took that prescription [as prescribed] for another 13 years without a break.

Then, I moved to another part of the country, another province. I started looking for a doctor in the new place, and only found denials about my pain!! Interesting how they say "you are lying about your pains" when I was sitting there in pain!! So, I was cut off from my saving grace [morphine]. Also, at that time my teeth were really getting bad, infection and so on, with lots of strong pains.

I had never known withdrawal pains, other than the gut cramps of mornings. So when I kicked I went into a special hell of tooth pains, Fibromyalgia pains unmasked, and withdrawals.

I checked into a De-Tox centre. They were mean there, asking "why are YOU here?" . I was very confused, and they ordered some meds for me that never arrived, meds for gut cramps that my doctor had prescribed [can't remember now what they were...],. Oddly, I had some of them in my vehicle right outside the door. They would NOT let me get them, only the pills THEY bring in can be used in DeTox.

I was barely walking, but I stood straight up and said "I can drive and I am leaving". So, I left. I drove one block and parked in a mall lot. I found the gut pills and some codiens and just sat there in terror, such extreme pains and so uncertain. In the DeTox centre, I had tried to cut myself so I would bleed and hoped that would make me faint or something. When I was parked in the mall lot, I found my knife and thought about it again, but it was dull and I wimped out.

My teeth were raging, my gut was aching, my leg and back pains were worse than I had ever known them. Headaches, neck cramps, calf cramps, my skin hurt.

Eventually the codeins or something helped a bit, and I was getting bad vibes there in the parking lot, so I drove out of town. I lived over 200 kms away, could I get there and die there instead? I tried to drive a bit, made it 50 kms and stopped at a pullout in the forested areas. Lonely out there, no traffic, nothing but forest.

Then it really started - the worst part of the worst kick of my life [so far]:

I opened the window and the wind was blowing a bit. The trees started talking to me, it was the spirit of morphine. I tried to walk but my legs would not hold me up,. I got back in the vehicle and "the spirit of morphine" started to talk to me. It was feeding off of my pain. It was hoping it could have 'a real good feed'. Thats what it likes the most. I kept hearing that, as clear as a voice but without sound.



[I]Then I decided not to feed this morphine spirit. It was as much like a living entity as I am. It lives with us, waiting for an opportunity for pain and despair.
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[I]So real. It was all around me now, with some other spirits. Shit, I don't even believe in god or ghosts. THere were there, swirling in the trees and waiting for some blood and getting high on my despair.

If I died, they won, I thought. I was a joke to them. They were playing with me. Morphine Spirit grew really strong and kicked all the others away, the trees were swaying wildly but the wind had gone calm when I stuck my head out the window. I held out some paper and it didn't blow around at all, but the trees were nearly uprooted. Morphine spirit was feeding on my pain. I felt it was the OTHER spirits that wanted me dead, but morphine wanted the pain, so staying alive was best for morphine spirit.

Finally I drove away, barely able to stay between the lines. I thought of going really fast and driving off the cliffs or into a bridge. NO!!! - I would not die but just be injured badly And Morphine Spirit just wanted pain, not death. 'Keep driving' I told myself.

Eventually I saw a pay phone and called some friends back home. I asked them if they would spot me some morph if I got there, "yes" they said. I would be late, it was 10pm allready and I had many miles to go. I could barely walk, and hoped nobody saw me walk back to the vehicle or the police would put me in a cell for the night, HORRORS!!!

I don't remember much of the rest of the trip, Morphine Spirit seemed to lose interest in me. I got home and found that hit and lived.

And that was the worst kick ever, for me, so far. . . . I think I was in hell, but a "real" hell, and now I might believe thatmorphine has an actual spirit that actually lives amongst us.
- geees, thats a bit heavy eh. Maybe I should keep some things to myself... I've NEVER told anyone this story before, it helps that I am anonymous here...

AWOL
11-15-2006, 05:33 PM
Wow, I could almost feel the pain just by reading. Very powerful.

drugsaregood
11-15-2006, 05:37 PM
Damn dude, that really does sound like hell. Glad you managed to not hurt yourself, and made it through that ordeal. It goes to show how strong opiates really are, and how they can take hold.

Seedy
11-15-2006, 05:48 PM
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- geees, thats a bit heavy eh. Maybe I should keep some things to myself... I've NEVER told anyone this story before, it helps that I am anonymous here...

Dude, that story scared the shit out of me. As I get older (closer to death) I get more spiritual, and I've had some pretty real spiritual experiences on mushrooms; the mushroom spirit kind of spoke to me on behalf of mother earth. As shit scared as I was at the time I came out of it quite enlightened. The mushroom spirit is pretty posative over all. That opiate spirit sounds fucking nasty!

jacky
11-16-2006, 09:34 AM
so how is your pain relief situation now karlin?

great relation of your experience, and rather unique!

morphine spirit, gotta make an offering.

blackdog
11-16-2006, 09:45 AM
wow is right!! sounds like indian beliefs,pain spirits?good/evil..hey that should be logged onto a blog. sounds like you probbally have more to share. peace
dawgg:cool:

Karlin
11-16-2006, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the replies. I thought that post might be too weird, but you all understood where it came from!!
I love this forum because there are people who can relate to my bizzare life.

Jacky, I read your post on the chaste tree. I suspect you are a healer type. You asked about my pains, and here comes some more off-beat stuff. And another long-ish post, sorry.

- during that 'worst kick ever' episode I was in the middle of a several-years long ordeal of getting my dental pains looked after. Eventually I had them ALL removed, total dentures now. There was, I suspect, an infection of the Trigeminal Nerve [that goes to the teeth]. No dentist OR doctor would entertain this idea at all. Getting my teeth removed was harder than, well, "pulling teeth" [lol], a LOT harder.

I mention that because within weeks of the last dental extractions there was a HUGE reduction in my "other bodily pains" - the Fibromyalgia type pains, widespread thru my body that I had endured for more than 15 years.
{I have a whole theory on this and the bacterial/viral basis of modern chronic illnesses that I would love to share with you in another forum - can you email me if you want to know? ]

That being said, my pain levels [other than teeth pains] now are much less. No more migraine headaches or calf cramps or neck stiffness or back pains, and the "chronic fatigue symptoms" are all gone. I still have some old injury site pains, but things are much improved. My activity levels and abilty to ride my pedal-bike longer distances are all much better this year compared to any of the past 15 years.

There was a lot of anxiety, and mental health problems too. Just being told that I was not really in pain made me nuts. The dentists only wanted to give me their most invasive treatments and they seemed inhumane to me. They refused to believe that I was having tooth pains all that time, accusing me of just going for the cheapest treatments and so on. Doctors said "we don't treat the Trigeminal Nerve area, that is for dentists", and dentists said "thats medical, go see your doctor".

Colloidal Silver and Goldenseal herb helped reduce those dental pains a lot. Too bad I only discovered them in the past two or three years. I bet you know of these?

Also, I hear that morphine is hard on teeth. Many addicts seem to have bad teeth. Things go downhill from there. See how "morphine-spirit" loves pain, and will even cause it to feed on it?

Many here will not want to read this, about teeth, but I got to say that having dentures is not nearly as bad as the dentists will make it out to be. Its not great, but better than "natural but rotten" teeth.

And yes, I did brush and floss regularly.

Karlin

nick
11-16-2006, 02:12 PM
Man,I'm not a cp addict,but your posted reminded me(not that I wanted reminding) about wds.

kyuss
11-16-2006, 04:57 PM
good story.
She is a fickled mistress.

OhJoy
11-18-2006, 08:09 AM
that's pretty deep stuff. I already fear death, part of the reason I failed at offing myself. Now after what you said it really hits a nerve. I kind of already feel that those spirits exist, but I thougt it was just because my brain is f'd. Now that I'm starting to read stuff (that I suspect is real) I'm starting to really think. Since I've been regularly dosing on opiates, I've been having the weirdest dreams...nightmarish dreams...of hell of spirits and it's really horrible most nights. My dreams seem to only improve if I take an ativan. Otherwise I have dreams about benevolent spirits, or my dog dieing and such. I wonder how common this is amoung the group here???

about the issue with you teeth. I friend of mine was diagnosed with lupus and depression (said the pain was imagined by some docs she saw) after she had all her teeth pulled, it all cleared up. I can't tell you how many nights she called crying thinking she was insane in pain. I think there is a lot to your teeth and your overall health.

I'm glad you are getting relief now.

Karlin
11-19-2006, 09:39 PM
OhJoy, thanks for that. Its allways sooooo good to hear yet another story about someone getting over long-term serious illnesses just by having their teeth out. Does she belong to this group?

As for the dreams, I don't know, but this might help:
Personally, I don't dream at all anymore, unfortunately. It all ended about 5 years ago when I would dream of these people who kept chasing me thru some ugly city, but I finally turned around and beat them all up. They never came back, but I never had another dream either.

That was my plan BEFORE I went to sleep, so this re-curring 'bad dream' would stop. And it worked - could you give yourself "pre-sleep" reminders/instructions that might influence your dreams? On the other hand, it would be too bad if you also stopped having dreams altogether.

I am certain that my not dreaming anymore has something to do with my opiate addiction interfering with my brain chemistry, although I was an addict all through that time... I dunno...

I do remember having terrible nightmares from taking 222s. Any pharmaceutical drug will interfere with normal dreaming I think. Everything does..booze, pot, spicey foods, cheese, - a good reason to get clean once in awhile, so we will dream normally, without undue influences. I think dreams are important, usefull in sorting things out, path in life kind of things.

OhJoy
11-20-2006, 08:49 PM
No she's not here in this group.
That's something I'll give a try tonight. I can sometimes catch myself about to go to this horrible place right before I fall off to sleep. I just get up and try to shake it off. It's like I am going to another dimention. I feel like there are many dimentions I could go to some happy, some sad, and some just horrible. Because sometimes I dream of nice places.

I wonder if the people who come back from death and report seeing another place that they are just visiting these other dimentions. Some people report pleasant experiences and some report hellish experiences. I wonder if when you die you permantly end up in one of these dimentions???

That must be strange not dreaming but you faced it and won. You say your are certain that you are not dreaming but could it be possibly you are dreaming but because it's nothing stressful or spectacular you don't remember.

I guess I should give it a break, but it so SUCKS to be off opiates. I tried today and gave in. btw what is a 222?

Karlin
11-21-2006, 02:10 PM
I hope it helps you OJ. Maybe you will dream nice dreams tongiht.

I have heard that dreams help us sort out what happens during the day, so maybe they cannot all be pleasant...

Near-death experiences must have something to tell us, some insights. Good idea.

As for being dead, I have to admit that I think "it just stops", nothing is there once the electrical activity stops, when it is dead. Thats not so bad, as the ending of a life makes way for new lives, and extend that to souls/spirits, and it might get crowded in the spirit realm if none of them ended. This doesn't mean that other things can have a spirit quality, like my morphine spirit that visists me when I go into withdrawals ; Its not dead.

Sorry if that offends your sense of death and afterlife, its just the way I think.

AS for me, you have a good point there that I might not be remembering my dreams. Maybe nothing much happens in my 'addict life' and so I don't dream interesting stuff. I gotta start living again...

I guess we are in the same pergatory of being addicted - not dead but not fully alive either. When in pain, thats better than being fully alive though, because I get suicidal. I guess this applies to 'mental health pains' too - some people are just better off being addicted.

oh - and 222s are an old painkiller that used to be in every medicine cabinet, but I think they fell out of favour. Now that I think about it, it was DARVONS that gave me the nightmares, not 222s... but I was confused at that time and didn't realise that I was in morphine withdrawals at that time, all in the hospital , in traction and badly hurt. They had to stop the morphine on day 10 or I would get addicted, and so they put me on Darvons and I went berserk at night, esp dreams.

OhJoy
11-21-2006, 10:17 PM
No I'm not offended. I hardly ever get offended. I respect what other folks believe.

I did have better dreams. I took half a lorazapam.
One reoccrurring dream I have is that I really have to go to the bathroom and I find one, but there's always something wrong with it. It's overflowing, it's disgusting, there's no TP it's commical. I wake up and I have to go. I guess it's my minds way of keeping me from wetting the bed. LOL

Ragdoll
12-05-2006, 08:45 PM
This is an amazing post, and I'm promising to come back to it when I'm alone and not been hassled to help my SO cook dinner because he is competing with the computer for my attention at the moment. (Gee, and I thought I raised my little kids.....)

In the meantime, have a http://clicksmilies.com/s1106/spezial/jasons_smilie/balloon.gif green balloon.

Ragdoll
12-06-2006, 03:31 PM
Karlin, trees are very powerful, ancient and wise, and frequently hold many energies.

I have a book I strongly recommend to you: Spiritual Emergency, by Stan Groff

I believe you'll find it interesting and valueable.

Namaste,
~Rags

HandMeSomeOpiates
01-09-2007, 09:54 PM
Wow, I could almost feel the pain just by reading. Very powerful.

Very moving! Great wording! That sucks you had to go through that. Maybe you can find a taper plan that will work for ya. If you are desperate for relief get some Kratom from an on-line vendor. I'm kicking a 25 10mg Norco a day habit with Kratom. Beleive me you still will feel like shit, but not NEARLY as bad, especially won't go through the shit you went through.
You're in my thoughts.

HMSO

spider
05-05-2009, 09:37 PM
I've NEVER told anyone this story before, it helps that I am anonymous here...

This story reminds me of a BAD acid trip I had about 10 years ago. If you can imagine. . . to experience something and to actually believe that you had died and gone to another plane of existence, that would be the tip of the ice berg to my story. If you are that interested to hear me recite the details, I will do it, not because I want too, but because I want to believe that my experience can in some way help others realize something, not sure what. . . PM me if you want the details.

bigNasty
05-05-2009, 09:40 PM
This story reminds me of a BAD acid trip I had about 10 years ago. If you can imagine. . . to experience something and to actually believe that you had died and gone to another plane of existence, that would be the tip of the ice berg to my story. If you are that interested to hear me recite the details, I will do it, not because I want too, but because I want to believe that my experience can in some way help others realize something, not sure what. . . PM me if you want the details.
Check the date of threads before you post

Seedy
05-05-2009, 10:27 PM
^^ I'm actually quite glad this thread's been dug up again, it's quite a story, good reading for the noobs imo.

OxiContinKing
05-06-2009, 01:41 AM
^^ I'm actually quite glad this thread's been dug up again, it's quite a story, good reading for the noobs imo.

Shit i enjoyed it.

well, i guess i am a noob, huh?

spider
05-06-2009, 11:35 AM
Check the date of threads before you post

Seems I grabbed your attention. . . what?

Restharrow
05-07-2009, 03:53 PM
The date caught me too. I erased my post.

I hope Karlin got some relief.

Will

hovadagod
05-07-2009, 06:46 PM
Dude, that story scared the shit out of me. As I get older (closer to death) I get more spiritual, and I've had some pretty real spiritual experiences on mushrooms; the mushroom spirit kind of spoke to me on behalf of mother earth. As shit scared as I was at the time I came out of it quite enlightened. The mushroom spirit is pretty posative over all. That opiate spirit sounds fucking nasty!

I had the same reaction to the story...scary shit. Just read this for the first time...haha.

Shadowsblaze
05-07-2009, 07:12 PM
He has a nice writing technique. I wasn't going to read it until I read your recent comments and then started reading. Oldy but Goody.

reddragon3668
05-09-2009, 12:29 PM
I am not sure how stopping by to check in landed me here.. all my time here i never read this post. bur I must 100% concur. The opiate gods aren't through until you are.. and they'll take more than just your life. You dignity, loved ones, veins, you name it, it will devour you. Of course, do bear in mind that I am kicking my ass off at the moment. But, tis, regardless and I think us old timers are smart enough to know it, or are we?

Ragdoll
05-11-2009, 12:34 AM
Yeah...I hope that person found some peace and relief, somehow.

HandMeSomeOpiates
05-11-2009, 12:54 AM
Yeah...I hope that person found some peace and relief, somehow.
I hope so too.....

OpiateQueen
10-24-2009, 06:23 PM
i know this thread is old - and it is good, but i find it really annoying that he doesn't say what happened next.. like did he somehow get back on the morph or what?? if so how? did he go back to his old pain dr??

Ickyuck
10-25-2009, 03:50 PM
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