C/S and Vit C for easing W/Ds ?

[Karlin]

There are a few withdrawal myths, quite a few. And then there are some who swear some stuff from alternative medicine helped them withdraw.

Colloidal Silver is one [have you heard of it?]. The two brothers who took it said :"it took away the sickness and the pains and I never used again". Then another friend asked me to make some for them and they didn't get any good from it. As for me, I never quit long enough to know for sure, but it does seem to reduce the morning cramps, which are withdrawals of about 16 hours for me.

Vit C is another. It seems to help - I allways take it when going on the hunt when I am Jonesin' and it does help. But then maybe it kills the rush...?? Two of us were driving for three hours on the hunt, we took Vit C when we left, and neither of us mentioned the cravings the whole time until we were nearly home.

The mind is a powerfull thing tho', and with drugs it just gets more difficult to know where the various feelings and emotions are coming from. Maybe it is all placebo.

Any opinions??

[Buckshot]

I have mega dosed Vit C.....and it may have helped a little, but like you said it may have been the placebo effect.


The only OTC stuff I know that is easy to get and not opiates, or myths are-

Lopermide- If I had only one OTC product to choose for WD this would be it, not that I hate having the shits so much, but I hate how having the shits for days drains you're bodys energy and dehydrates you so much.

DXM- Take it in the evening, it will help you sleep. Or take a bigger dose just to take you're mind off the WD. However a large dose of syrup will make you bowls even worse. Although lopermide and DXM are an excellent combo.

Ibuprofen- It works better than asprin or tylenol.

Music- I swear by listening to music, can stimulate you're brain and cause it to produce endorphins on its own. Music can make the little hairs on the back of you're next stand straight up during WD. It helps with negative thoughts. And passes time faster.

Fluids

Excercise....hehe if you can

[jbeach1269]

I am inWD right now. God I hate it. It makes it so hard to quit! Someone talking my pills at the airport has messed me up. I had just enough to get me through til Jan 2 when I have my nevt appt.. Thats tuesday the 2nd. I dont know If I can hang in there. I need some advise: I go to a pain clinic here in TN. I called them yesterday and let them know my pills where stolen and have all the paperwork to prove it..

:cool:
Now, what if I went to the hospitals ER and let them know that my meds where stolen ? And also let them know I go to the painclinic. Would I get into trouble from my pain clinic for going to the hosipital s ER. And better yet will the ER give me anything? I get the green 15mg roxi's

I have mega dosed Vit C.....and it may have helped a little, but like you said it may have been the placebo effect.


The only OTC stuff I know that is easy to get and not opiates, or myths are-

Lopermide- If I had only one OTC product to choose for WD this would be it, not that I hate having the shits so much, but I hate how having the shits for days drains you're bodys energy and dehydrates you so much.

DXM- Take it in the evening, it will help you sleep. Or take a bigger dose just to take you're mind off the WD. However a large dose of syrup will make you bowls even worse. Although lopermide and DXM are an excellent combo.

Ibuprofen- It works better than asprin or tylenol.

Music- I swear by listening to music, can stimulate you're brain and cause it to produce endorphins on its own. Music can make the little hairs on the back of you're next stand straight up during WD. It helps with negative thoughts. And passes time faster.

Fluids

Excercise....hehe if you can

[SpecialGuy69]

depends. if you have a police report, and don't look like a junky, AND you have documentation of your condition, AND you are in obvious pain (not withdrawls, pain) then the ER might prescribe something to hold you over. Don't tell the er doc you are in opiate withdrawls, tell them you don't have your meds and you are in a lot of pain, cant sleep, etc. If you tell them w/d's, even for a legit reason, they'll just treat the symptoms with something like clonidine and valium and send you packing.

If you go to the er, make sure you fully disclose to your pain management place. If you haven't made a big deal out of this yet, you might just want to cop on the street for a few days until your appointment. If you go through all this shit to get your script replaced just days before your appointment, you're risking being labeled a problem patient. You want to do EVERYTHING you can to avoid this label once you have a good pain mgmt. doc and script- these things are harder to get than plutonium. Maybe just call and ask to move your appointment to Monday...

[kyuss]

depends. if you have a police report, and don't look like a junky, AND you have documentation of your condition, AND you are in obvious pain (not withdrawls, pain) then the ER might prescribe something to hold you over. Don't tell the er doc you are in opiate withdrawls, tell them you don't have your meds and you are in a lot of pain, cant sleep, etc. If you tell them w/d's, even for a legit reason, they'll just treat the symptoms with something like clonidine and valium and send you packing.

If you go to the er, make sure you fully disclose to your pain management place. If you haven't made a big deal out of this yet, you might just want to cop on the street for a few days until your appointment. If you go through all this shit to get your script replaced just days before your appointment, you're risking being labeled a problem patient. You want to do EVERYTHING you can to avoid this label once you have a good pain mgmt. doc and script- these things are harder to get than plutonium. Maybe just call and ask to move your appointment to Monday...

Monday
is a holiday,TM.
I agree with waiting,tho.
not a good idea to seem needy.

[jbeach1269]

depends. if you have a police report, and don't look like a junky, AND you have documentation of your condition, AND you are in obvious pain (not withdrawls, pain) then the ER might prescribe something to hold you over. Don't tell the er doc you are in opiate withdrawls, tell them you don't have your meds and you are in a lot of pain, cant sleep, etc. If you tell them w/d's, even for a legit reason, they'll just treat the symptoms with something like clonidine and valium and send you packing.

If you go to the er, make sure you fully disclose to your pain management place. If you haven't made a big deal out of this yet, you might just want to cop on the street for a few days until your appointment. If you go through all this shit to get your script replaced just days before your appointment, you're risking being labeled a problem patient. You want to do EVERYTHING you can to avoid this label once you have a good pain mgmt. doc and script- these things are harder to get than plutonium. Maybe just call and ask to move your appointment to Monday...


Well, I just got back from ER and they hooked me up.. I was honest with them and told them my pills got stolen, showed them the police report & the Delta report and also told them I go to the pain clinic at thier hospital. The Dr. asked how long I have been without and I said 2 days.. All is good.. Its only 20, but I go to the clinic Tuesday.. I barely made it in the door and railed 2... Thanks for your help bro.... How do I insert a pic? I have a cam built into my laptop... Let me know and Ill post a pic

:DPS clinic is closed Monday for New Years

[havocbreed]

What is lopermide and DXM. I have to kick H on mon, not looking forward to it.

[Sitar]

I have mega dosed Vit C.....and it may have helped a little, but like you said it may have been the placebo effect.


The only OTC stuff I know that is easy to get and not opiates, or myths are-

Lopermide- If I had only one OTC product to choose for WD this would be it, not that I hate having the shits so much, but I hate how having the shits for days drains you're bodys energy and dehydrates you so much.

DXM- Take it in the evening, it will help you sleep. Or take a bigger dose just to take you're mind off the WD. However a large dose of syrup will make you bowls even worse. Although lopermide and DXM are an excellent combo.

Ibuprofen- It works better than asprin or tylenol.

Music- I swear by listening to music, can stimulate you're brain and cause it to produce endorphins on its own. Music can make the little hairs on the back of you're next stand straight up during WD. It helps with negative thoughts. And passes time faster.

Fluids

Excercise....hehe if you can

Well.... actually, loperamide IS an opiate.

But yes, I totally absolutely agree with you on the music thing. But it's almost too much to take when in bad withdrawal because your emotions are hyper-sensitive. You have to pick the music wisely.

[Narkotikon]

You could always just buy a lot of poppy seeds at a health food store or at an international grocery. I mean, I know it's not quitting, but it makes it easier to wean down to a point where the w/d isn't so bad.

Loperamide is good for GI problems, but I've never had it help with anything more. I wish I was one of the people who swear that it helps with w/d. I've even taken really high doses of it before (40mg) and it didn't help.

DXM: I know it's technically a narcotic, but I can't stand this stuff. Sometimes I used to use it by itself when I had nothing else (at college with no car), but I really didn't like it. It made me feel really cold, paranoid, and odd. It is useful to potentiate at lower doses, but I'd rather buy the poppy seeds if I had a choice between them and DXM.

Ibuprofen: exactly. Much better than aspirin and Tylenol. Aspirin can make you more nauseus because it's very acidic, and Tylenol just doesn't do much for me. I could take 4 Extra Strengh Tylenol (2 grams), and it wouldn't do as much as 600-800 mg of Ibuprofen.

Vitamin C: Never tried it on its own. I do have two unoppened bottles of Centrum that my mother bought me because I apparently don't eat right, but have never tried it on it's own. I've used Vitamin C pills in pod tea when I was out of orange juice or lemon juice before. It works just as well in my opinion, but you have to grind up a lot of pills to do it.

I have no idea what this stuff is, but I see it advertised on TV a lot. Occocillinum or something like that. It's supposed to help a lot for body aches when you have the cold / flu, so I wonder if it would help for leg cramps, but I doubt it. Still curious about it though, although I wouldn't want to waste the money unless I knew it would work.

Clonidine: This doesn't really help (at least for me) except to lower my blood pressure, which is what it's supposed to do. The only thing I don't like about this is that I always have to take more than what I am given, because 4 .1mg tablets just don't do it for me. So, I take more, then I feel even weaker than when I was just without it. I mean, it takes all of my motivation and energy to walk across the room to get a cigarette.

Music: Yeah, I can see calming music being helpful, but anytime I listen to something in reference to drugs it makes me crave more. Same with movies / tv.

Benadryl: This helps make me sleepy, but for some reason it makes my legs twitch worse. Don't really know why, but I found that fact out on Wikipeidia while researching RLS.

Benzos: Very Very Very helpful for the legs and anxiety and sleep, but I don't have a constant supply, so I never have them when I need them. I don't even think the ER would give me Valium.

Alcohol: I generally don't like alcohol, as I can't stand the taste, smell, and the way it makes me feel, but sometimes I'll get a bottle of red wine and drink it. I did that last night. It made my legs feel much better, but I felt shity. Maybe it was the tannins. I don't know.

Psych Meds: I hate anti-psychotics because they make me feel very dysphoric and shitty, but I have taken risperdol, geodon, and abilify when I've been desperate. I still have a bunch of Depakote that was given to me at the clinic. I've taken 4 of the 500mg ER tablets before, and it sort of made me sleepy, although I don't like that drug either. Tri-cyclic's would be good (Trazodone, Elavil), but I don't have any. They generally make people sleepy.

Phenergan / Promethazine: Helpful for nausea and sedation at higher doses, but again, don't have any anymore.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else.

[Karlin]

The thing about Vit C is large doses is that it seems to act like Narcan, where the effect from taking opiates is not as strong.

I don't know if the Colloidal Silver is like that too, it seems that I don't get as big a kick from a shot as without it.

I also want to know if marijuana helps anyone during withdrawals. It makes my gut pains worse, as does cigs. There is some benefit in mental proceses though, where it takes me out of my suffering state of mind and I can laugh at my predicament. For a second or two, lol.

As for tobacco, I heard that non-smokers have an 80% better chance of quitting opiates compared to smokers... I think it might be true, and so I have to quit smoking before I will quit my morphine.

Thats going to be a lot to quit by Monday, when I start wds. I have not touched that realm for over a year, I am going to squirm. I do have some money so when things get too ugly I can come up for air...

[Papa Verine]

This might sound crazy but just to mention a couple that haven't been mentioned yet:

Cheese. I crave cheese when I'm sick. Extra sharp cheddar cheese to be exact. If I eat a brick of it I feel better.

Cocoa. I also crave cocoa when I'm sick. However, chocolate bars don't seem to help at all. I have to make my own hot cocoa drink for any releif from W/D's. A couple HEAPING tablespoons of real cocoa at least but this does help also.

[Duckfeet]

Nothing works for me, but other opiates. I thought once subs were miracle cure, but they are just more like methadone, to me, as I'm on day 4 getting off them, and they are pretty easy to get off heroin with, but have their own lingering problems. I switched over to hydros, simply because longterm sub-use spooks me. All kinds of info, both sides of this fence, but my cynical old junky attitude is "there is no free lunch." So far, that has proven true to me. Best thing for kicking to me, is have *no* obligations, and rent a bunch of movies, and have a warm bed/couch to lay on.

Hardest thing is just to get longterm motivation to stay off this shit. A *lot* of people *start* kicking, but that memory of *why* we started fades away fast, when faced w/reality of opiate-less life. Many people successful at it get all involved in AA or NA, church...find something to totally change their whole fucking life.

My favorite philosopher says reason is a slave to our passions...and so far, that has proved way true, to me, and once that passion/desire is aiming towards "getting well," reason changes accordingly...

good luck, best wishes, I don't mind being wrong...