Is Afghan heroin in Vancouver?

[Karlin]

The Afghan poppy crop produced 610 tons of paste this year. I asked PM Harper to let the soldiers bring it back home. I suggested that it would keep the profits out of the hands of terrorists... but he didn't reply.

Anyways, I heard it was supposed to be hitting the streets in Vancouver with very pure heroin, as the supply is huge they don't cut it.

Is it true? I don't see anyone mentioning it. I suppose we never really know where it comes from, but is there a better supply, better quality, this year, lately?

Compared to morphine, is Vancouver heroin a better value for maintaining one's opiate addiction [for someone usually taking morphine, for eg.? ] ?

We bohunks/forest people from inland are considering making the trip to the big city - I know, we cannot buy/sell thru this site - but it would be nice to have H for a change - very little H makes it way inland very far and it is expensive and cut badly if found locally.

Now if only those soldiers would bring the crop home, the drug problems would be solved temporarily - and the crime rates might drop if it were distributed to addicts at the safe injection sites, for eg. Just a trial run would be so cool, just to see how much crime rates drop when addicts have what they need. Is that asking so much?

[nick]

The Afghan poppy crop produced 610 tons of paste this year. I asked PM Harper to let the soldiers bring it back home. I suggested that it would keep the profits out of the hands of terrorists... but he didn't reply.

Anyways, I heard it was supposed to be hitting the streets in Vancouver with very pure heroin, as the supply is huge they don't cut it.

Is it true? I don't see anyone mentioning it. I suppose we never really know where it comes from, but is there a better supply, better quality, this year, lately?

Compared to morphine, is Vancouver heroin a better value for maintaining one's opiate addiction [for someone usually taking morphine, for eg.? ] ?

We bohunks/forest people from inland are considering making the trip to the big city - I know, we cannot buy/sell thru this site - but it would be nice to have H for a change - very little H makes it way inland very far and it is expensive and cut badly if found locally.

Now if only those soldiers would bring the crop home, the drug problems would be solved temporarily - and the crime rates might drop if it were distributed to addicts at the safe injection sites, for eg. Just a trial run would be so cool, just to see how much crime rates drop when addicts have what they need. Is that asking so much?
Dont want to rain on your parade,but INSITE only has permission to operatre till next year and they really want to shut it down along with the H rxing trial.
92% of the worlds H is from Afgahnistan,most from Helmand province.So the odds are good it's near you somewhere

[Woods]

Given the higher ups who distribute, I'd guess that more of the H in vancouver is from the Golden.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

heheh a newbie, maybe you just cant look and im sure its there somewhere , when i looked i found it. and i agree with nick, see nick agrees with me.


HAHHA, seee woods i actuallly agree with you. But its sometimes fuckin stupid when someone will tell you shit about your hometown, maybe even rumours about your neighbours when they havent fuckin been there to check the situation themselves.

[Woods]

By Golden I meant Golden Triangle.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, Morphine is a better deal here then Heroin. It's harder to find, but $10 will get you 100mg of M, which goes farther then a paper of down.

[Karlin]

$10 eh? I guess it worth the drive mto go to the big city for the eslons.

I heard of someone bringing back H rather than go for the cheap eslons. I guess old habits die hard. If you got lots of money I suppose H is an option, but for us struggling to maintain, morphine gets the seal of approval.

Everyone seems to agree that Morph lasts longer, is that why you prefer it?

[Woods]

Tis indeed, it's also harder to get burnt.

[superman]

would buying more than 5 grams at a time make it more economical than morphine at the price you mention?

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

hey Woods, if you're saying that you can get morph pills on the street, and generally they are quite popular, so this would mean that the 'street-junkies' also use it. I am just interested, would they be crisping it and all the rest of the complicated procedure, I dont think they would be bothered or have the time to if they want to have it in a public toilet for example... ?


is it true that they are called Peelers over there ? as in green peelers, orange peelers (60mg ones) etc. ? If you can get the ms contins how come there aint no oxycotton 40 or 80 ? if there are how much do they go for there ?


THank you for answering, greetings from DowNUndEr

[superman]

melburn; i have never encountered a morphine or oxy here in canada that couldn't be easily slammed without doing anything other than sucking the coating off. I guess our government just isn't in the mood to torture it's addicts yet.

oxy 40s and 80s are very common, anywhere near toronto, 40s fetch $8, 80s $15. but why would a seasoned vet pay nearly 50% more money for oxy when morphine is such a deal?

[nick]

melburn; i have never encountered a morphine or oxy here in canada that couldn't be easily slammed without doing anything other than sucking the coating off. I guess our government just isn't in the mood to torture it's addicts yet.

oxy 40s and 80s are very common, anywhere near toronto, 40s fetch $8, 80s $15. but why would a seasoned vet pay nearly 50% more money for oxy when morphine is such a deal?
Yet is the operative word.

[superman]

Yet is the operative word.

quite true. I don't think we have much to worry about at least until harper gets the heroin clinic and safer injection site closed down.

It's just a matter of time though if the conservatives stay in power. But I can't see that happening(wishfull thinking?)

[nick]

The lady who helped set up INSITE says she will operate an underground SIR if INSITE is closed down.
The good news is these things seem to be cyclic.If you can get through the next few years harm reduction will roll on.As my t shirt says "face reality,reduce harm"So very true.Much good luck to all you guys in Canada.

[CDN-HITLER]

I still like the green beanzzz 80's even though morphine beans come out cheaper.

Ps: I wish we had those Toronto prices !!!!!!

[Woods]

hey Woods, if you're saying that you can get morph pills on the street, and generally they are quite popular, so this would mean that the 'street-junkies' also use it. I am just interested, would they be crisping it and all the rest of the complicated procedure, I dont think they would be bothered or have the time to if they want to have it in a public toilet for example... ?


is it true that they are called Peelers over there ? as in green peelers, orange peelers (60mg ones) etc. ? If you can get the ms contins how come there aint no oxycotton 40 or 80 ? if there are how much do they go for there ?


THank you for answering, greetings from DowNUndEr

I’m sorry for not replying earlier, but better late then never. To make up for my tardyness I've put as much info as possible on the morphine and oxy available here, and even provided pretty pictures.

Some may take the time to prepare their morphine in the way you describe, but I believe generally it’s just in the spoon, boil till dissolved, then in a vein. This at least works for m-eslon capsules. I know because some time ago I came across a homeless man with a shopping cart, screaming and crying from pain. I was quite high at the time, and drugs make me a nice person, so I stopped and asked if there was anything I could do to help him. He told me that he had a horrible toothache, from the level of pain I’d guess probably a very bad infection. I didn’t have any painkillers on me, they were all in my, but I told him to wait were he was, took a walk a couple blocks, bought 10 30mg M-Eslons for $30 and came back. This guy didn’t use painkillers, so he had no tolerance, but h injected methamphetamine, so he had syringes on him. One 30 dissolved fairly rapidly in the spoon, and a minute later, not only was the pain gone, but he was feeling better then he had in a long time. Personally, I hope that I might have converted his drug usage at least partially from meth to opiates, a much safer alternative.

Kadians on the other hand, with their big, fat balls could never be prepared in such a simple manner. Even if one were to crush the balls I’m not sure they would dissolve. One would probably have to crisp and such at the minimum to get an inject able product. Personally, if I was an injection user, I wouldn’t inject a kadien unless I had the equipment and materials to produce what I knew to be virtually pure morphine from it, since the amount of wax and binders in them would likely have some negative effect on one’s veins. Luckily almost all the morphine in the city seems to be of the M-Eslon variety.

As for the pills being called peelers, m-eslons and Kadians are not referred to as such. The pills that are referred to as peelers are the much more rare ms-contins, the ones which look like oxycontin.

To answer your final question about oxycontin here, yes we have them and in Vancouver 40’s are about $7-10 and 80’s are about $15-20. In Southern Ontario, at least where I’m from originally, they tend to be more expensive at around $20 for 40’s, and $30-40 for 80’s, but as always, it’s all who you know.

To help you visualize what I’ve been talking about, I made a little picture. In the first column of pills we have the ms-contins, the “peelers.” Only the bottom 5 pills are actually technically called ms-contin, the name of the top 4 generic pills is pms-morphine. There are actually a number of other morphine pills similar to those, but since these aren’t the common type anyway, I thought it would be a waste to post them all.

In the second column you have the most common morphine in Vancouver, the M-Eslons. The dosages are damn hard to read on the pills, except for 10’s, but they go 10, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200. The most common strength on the street are 100’s, called “greys,” followed by 60’s, which aren’t called oranges, I guess because that would sound kind of stupid, but are just called “60’s.” Then the next most common strength are 200’s, called “reds.” Occasionally I’ve seen the 30’s, called “30’s” and not “pink’s” this time probably because they’re rare enough that a lot of people might not know that the pink caps are 30mg. As for 10’s and 15’s, I’ve never seen them, but I’ve heard from others that occasionally people do sell them. I once thought I got some 10’s, but I was actually ripped off with look-alike caps of dilitan, or something to that effect, because it’s not enough to rip someone off, you have to endanger their life.

The next column is occupied by Kadians, 10’s, 20’s, 50’s, and 100’s. You can see the difference in the size of the balls between Kadians and M-Eslons, and you can practically count the number of beads in the Kadians. Thankfully I’ve only seen these bastards around a couple times.

In the final column I’ve deviated from my morphine theme to add some Canadian Oxycontin. I’d be interested to know what the Australian oxycontins look like. Aside from the obvious difference between the brand name oxys, that OC is replaced by CDN, denoting them as Canadian generic, I do believe, though I’m not positive, that there aren’t 5mg brand name OCs. I’m almost ashamed that we’re producing them in Canada, as if we can’t handle the 160’s, and we need pills that are the strength of a single percocet, but spread out over 12 hours. I mean, are they producing these things for children? Are they like, in case your 8 year old daughter has a mild headache? We did however produce 30mg hydromorphones before the US, so I guess that kind of makes up for it. Oh, although I only have the CDN oxys shown, OCs are also sold in Canada. I’m not sure whether you can get both at the pharmacy here, but it would make sense given that oxys are so much more expensive in the US, so I doubt that anyone would actually smuggle them into Canada.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5551/pillsou3.jpg

[nick]

Your peelers look just like UK MST and the Kadians look just like Zomorph.Far out.

[Woods]

would buying more than 5 grams at a time make it more economical than morphine at the price you mention?

Well, a gram runs about $120, so if you assume 1mg of H is equal to 2mg of morphine, then your heroin would have to be at least 60% pure to be equal in value. This may or may not be true, but isn’t unreasonable to assume. I don’t know how much 5 grams would be, maybe cheaper, like $100/gram, or maybe you have to go higher to get a better deal, I have not a clue as I’ve never asked.

But at the same time, if you know the right people, which I obviously don’t, you can probably get morphine cheaper in bulk too, it’s just easier to find bulk heroin. Also, while most dealers won’t give any deals on morphine, with heroin you can get deals on as little as a couple flaps, 5 for $40 is easy to get, even 4 for $30 isn’t unreasonable.

[TABAKMAN]

Woods> When you say 4 for $30. so are you saying that one is $10 , and is that .1g ?

[Woods]

One is $10 and it's supposed to be a point, but it never is. At best it's probably .08 or so. Either that or it is a point or more in weight, but it's been stepped on again, so as to be still less then a point of normal purity down.

[superman]

Well, a gram runs about $120, so if you assume 1mg of H is equal to 2mg of morphine, then your heroin would have to be at least 60% pure to be equal in value. This may or may not be true, but isn’t unreasonable to assume. I don’t know how much 5 grams would be, maybe cheaper, like $100/gram, or maybe you have to go higher to get a better deal, I have not a clue as I’ve never asked.

But at the same time, if you know the right people, which I obviously don’t, you can probably get morphine cheaper in bulk too, it’s just easier to find bulk heroin. Also, while most dealers won’t give any deals on morphine, with heroin you can get deals on as little as a couple flaps, 5 for $40 is easy to get, even 4 for $30 isn’t unreasonable.


perfect info man, exactly what i was needing. So it looks to me like i'd be better off switching up to smack if i can find a good source. i think 10 grams would be a good test of self control :)

[devilsdrug]

me too=========