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c0g
05-20-2005, 01:43 PM
Spy vs. Spy

Proposed legislation would compel people to spy on their family members and neighbors, forcing all Americans to become foot soldiers in the war on drugs. (http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/22048/)

Neighbors spying on neighbors? Mothers forced to turn in their sons or daughters? These are images straight out of George Orwell's 1984, or a remote totalitarian state. We don't associate them with the land of the free and the home of the brave, but that doesn't mean they couldn't happen here. A senior congressman, James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), is working quietly but efficiently to turn the entire United States population into informants--by force.

Sensenbrenner, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee Chairman, has introduced legislation that would essentially draft every American into the war on drugs. H.R. 1528, cynically named "Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act," would compel people to spy on their family members and neighbors, and even go undercover and wear a wire if needed. If a person resisted, he or she would face mandatory incarceration.

Here's how the "spy" section of the legislation works: If you "witness" certain drug offenses taking place or "learn" about them, you must report the offenses to law enforcement within 24 hours and provide "full assistance in the investigation, apprehension and prosecution" of the people involved. Failure to do so would be a crime punishable by a mandatory minimum two-year prison sentence, and a maximum sentence of 10 years.

Here are some examples of offenses you would have to report to police within 24 hours:





You find out that your brother, who has children, recently bought a small amount of marijuana to share with his wife;
You discover that your son gave his college roommate a marijuana joint;
You learn that your daughter asked her boyfriend to find her some drugs, even though they're both in treatment.
In each of these cases you would have to report the relative to the police within 24 hours. Taking time to talk to your relative about treatment instead of calling the police immediately could land you in jail.

In addition to turning family member against family member, the legislation could also put many Americans in danger by forcing them to go undercover to gain evidence against strangers.

Even if the language that forces every American to become a de facto law enforcement agent is taken out, the bill would still impose draconian sentences on college students, mothers, people in drug treatment and others with substance abuse problems. If enacted, this bill will destroy lives, break up families, and waste millions of taxpayer dollars.

Despite growing opposition to mandatory minimum sentences from civil rights groups to U.S. Supreme Court Justices, the bill eliminates federal judges' ability to give sentences below the minimum recommended by federal sentencing guidelines. This creates a mandatory minimum sentence for all federal offenses, drug-related or not.

H.R. 1528 also establishes new draconian penalties for a variety of non-violent drug offenses, including:





Five years for anyone who passes a marijuana joint at a party to someone who, at some point in his or her life, has been in drug treatment;
Ten years for mothers with substance abuse problems who commit certain drug offenses at home (even if their children are not at home at the time);
Five years for any person with substance abuse problems who begs a friend in drug treatment to find them some drugs.
These sentences would put non-violent drug offenders behind bars for as long as rapists, and they include none of the drug treatment touted in the bill's name.

At a time when everyone from the conservative American Enterprise Institute to the liberal Sentencing Project is slamming the war on drugs as an abject failure, Sensenbrenner is trying to escalate it, and to force all Americans to become its foot soldiers. Instead of enacting new mandatory minimums, federal policymakers should look toward the states. A growing number have reformed their drug sentencing laws, including Arizona, California, Kansas, Louisiana, Maryland, New Mexico, New York and Texas, and they have proved it is possible to both save money and improve public safety.

Simply put, there is no way H.R. 1528 can be fixed. The only policy proposal in recent years that comes close to being as totalitarian as this bill is Operations TIPS, the Ashcroft initiative that would have encouraged -- but not required -- citizens to spy on one another. Congress rightfully rejected that initiative and they should do the same with H.R. 1528. Big Brother has no business here in America.

Bill Piper is director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance (http://www.drugpolicy.org/).

Somni Divine
05-22-2005, 07:42 PM
Well, that's about the worst news I've read in a long time. It's depressing, I agree that "Big Brother has no place in America" but it seems like he continues to grow bigger and stronger every day. And it is laziness that seems to be the opiate of the masses, intellectual and political laxness, a willingness to accept that which "sounds like a good idea at the time" without thorough investigation and research prior to forming an opinion, and even worse prior to approving of something is what is going to end up bringing all of us down. It's downright scary in my opinion. Thanks for the WAKE UP post, C0g!

Peripat
05-22-2005, 08:29 PM
This proposed legislation is drafted by someone who has never ever lived in the real world. That is the only conclusion I can come to, after reading that.

Okay, so I may have been watching a little too much History Channel recently, but was I the only one with a little voice at the back of my head whispering "Nazi Germany"??

Somni Divine
05-23-2005, 12:43 AM
Peripat,
We are hearing the same voice - it must not just be in our heads!

COLONELWAYNE
05-23-2005, 11:07 AM
I wouldn't fly a white flag just yet. The I.R.S. tried something similar, years ago by offering rat-finks a portion of the recoveries if they would turn their neighbor in for cheating on their taxes. The bottom line is, everyone was too afraid to rat out their neighbor for fear of being ratted out themselves! I would NEVER under any circumstances turn in my child or a member of my family because BIG brother said it was the right thing to do! If I do anything like that ,it would be because that person had gotten to the point they were a danger to themselves or others! Furthermore, I don't think I would do that to ANYONE except for the afore mentioned reasons.A person has every right I can think of to chill, but don't go over here or there and start messing with someone who dosen't drink or do drugs and imposing your lifestyle on them! Thats what's gotten all these idiots in Washington in an uproar! If we didn't make spectacles of ourselves when we get f**ked-up,big brother would'nt know what all WAS out there! It's when you start driving under the influence and stealing from people and shooting or stabbing them to supply your habit that draws all the attention to ANY particular drug.Do like I do,work for the money to support your recreation and when the money is gone,suffer through it! Next time you'll learn to regulate your supply a little better.As far as this goes,I'd say lets keep an eye on it but don't work yourself into a frenzy.The expense of building enough facilities to house the non-violent offenders alone would far outweigh the results they hope to achieve.Their money would be more well spent in setting up clinics to help people that want to, get off the stuff or at least maintain so that they can be good parents and productive members of our society rather than a drain on our economy.Peace out everyone and remember"Knowledge is Power,United we Stand,Divided we Fall"

bi11i
05-23-2005, 06:18 PM
Five years for any person with substance abuse problems who begs a friend in drug treatment to find them some drugs. My personal favorite. I'm with the Colonel on this one; besides, that would mean I'd have to turn the entire user log over the fuzz, right?

chucky
05-23-2005, 09:07 PM
:mad: This is how Rebublicans like to spend our tax dollar's, committing the very families that pay for their healthy lifestyle's to rat out there own family. Absurdity, It's absolutly dreadfull that we are regressing into to draconian times.Fuerthermore; How do we plan to jail all of these drug abusers, with them bulging out at the seems as it is. Let us hope that they shoot this bill down before ot becomes law, also I must say this that if you are willing to sell out one of your family members or best friends for some fucked up so called democracy , this is sad, very fuckin sad!:cool:

OpiKat
05-31-2005, 04:56 PM
:mad: This is how Rebublicans like to spend our tax dollar's, committing the very families that pay for their healthy lifestyle's to rat out there own family. Absurdity, It's absolutly dreadfull that we are regressing into to draconian times.Fuerthermore; How do we plan to jail all of these drug abusers, with them bulging out at the seems as it is. Let us hope that they shoot this bill down before ot becomes law, also I must say this that if you are willing to sell out one of your family members or best friends for some fucked up so called democracy , this is sad, very fuckin sad!:cool:


Agreed, this is abolutely absurd :mad:

I've been brought up as a Republican, everyone in my family are Republicans..I am a registered Republican. Hell, I live in Oklahoma....you think TEXAS is Bush Country?? Try living here. :( I am ashamed with my own political party....I really am! How sad is that????

This administration continues to blatanty disreguard, and basically step all over the constitutional rights of the average American. I'm getting so sick and tired of reading about all of this :mad: BUCK-FUSH!!!!!!!!! (whew that felt good) LOL