question on CWE process

[covv799ss]

i have a question on the process listed in erowid's codeine faq (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml#extraction)

after the solution has cooled with all the white crud settling to the bottom, and it is time to strain it with the coffee filter-- is it more efficient to pour EVERYTHING, including the stuff settled at the bottom onto the coffee filter, or do you only strain the clear top part of the solution? it is hard to visualize precisely what is meant by the instructions, and i would hate to waste something. they are ltab 7.5/500's, if that helps at all. thanks for anyone who can shed light on this aspect of the process!

--long-time dweller 1st-time poster :-d

[kyuss]

i have a question on the process listed in erowid's codeine faq (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml#extraction)

after the solution has cooled with all the white crud settling to the bottom, and it is time to strain it with the coffee filter-- is it more efficient to pour EVERYTHING, including the stuff settled at the bottom onto the coffee filter, or do you only strain the clear top part of the solution? it is hard to visualize precisely what is meant by the instructions, and i would hate to waste something. they are ltab 7.5/500's, if that helps at all. thanks for anyone who can shed light on this aspect of the process!

--long-time dweller 1st-time poster :-d

I would filter
just the liquid first.

Do a search
on here
lots of info
has been posted.

[Papa Verine]

Good morning.

I always pour everything and wash the solids in the filter with additional water to leech everything out. The hydro will dissolve in the water and the APAP will not. You can keep adding water to the white solid (acetomenophen) and get most of the hydro out in the liquid. Also, some stays in the filter from the first pour as it becomes fully saturated fast. I hope this make sense. CWE is a very simple process.

[BizzyBone]

You know papa ver i had more trouble with CWE then makeing pod tea....but maybe because i only tried 5 pills maybe why

[SpecialGuy69]

Welcome. The only reason to filter the water first is so it will go through the filter faster, as the sediment will clog the filter. So, it's not a big deal, but you'll get done (And high) faster if you filter the liquid first, then wash the solids with a little extra water- i think that's what Kyuss was tryin to tell you.

[Papa Verine]

That's very true tm420. It very slowly drips out once all that acetomenophen clogs the filter. You have to have some patience that's for sure.

I found that if I don't have at least 20 vic's it's not even worth it to seperate.

Acaetomenophen is such garbage though! Blah!!!

[covv799ss]

Thanks for all the of the replies. I think my confusion arose from reading a similar (but seemingly unrelated) text on how to extract codeine from the tylenol pills you can still get in some states.

[covv799ss]

That's very true tm420. It very slowly drips out once all that acetomenophen clogs the filter. You have to have some patience that's for sure.

I found that if I don't have at least 20 vic's it's not even worth it to seperate.

Acaetomenophen is such garbage though! Blah!!!

When you say it is not worth it to separate unless you have 20, are you referring to the hassle of extracting them, or the amount of hydro lost? I don't like wasting stuff, but the acetaminophen really does make me feel like shit, which is odd because I only take 30-40mg (of hydro) at a time.

[Papa Verine]

Both really. I hate to think I'm wasting any hydro when I do it but I also HATE aceatomenophen. It's GARBAGE. And it's toxic.

[SpecialGuy69]

It's fuckin bullshit that they put it in there. Really it's there as an anti-abuse mechanism, and that's it. Because you can go to the store and buy as much tylenol as you want. It really pisses me off they put that crap in there, and then we have to go through the trouble of taking it back out. Percocets were my first opi-love, but now they cause me nothing but pain. I get 120 perc 7.5/325 and 120 norco 10/325's a month. I'm thinking about asking my PM doc to switch my percs to morphine instant release, or OC IR- I'm just gonna say some shit like "is there anything that's faster-acting than percocet?" It would be really cool if I could get oxyfast! I don't think that it has APAP in it, but I've never even seen the bottle. There are so many cool meds out there if your doc is willing to write. I need a croaker!

[shadowbox]

Both really. I hate to think I'm wasting any hydro when I do it but I also HATE aceatomenophen. It's GARBAGE. And it's toxic.

yeah it's garbage all right, and i can't deal with it anymore; tears up my stomach and makes me tired in the morning a half hour or so after taking a couple Norco. Now when I buy hydro i get it compounded - i get 15/200s and that helps a lot

[Narkotikon]

i have a question on the process listed in erowid's codeine faq (http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml#extraction)

after the solution has cooled with all the white crud settling to the bottom, and it is time to strain it with the coffee filter-- is it more efficient to pour EVERYTHING, including the stuff settled at the bottom onto the coffee filter, or do you only strain the clear top part of the solution? it is hard to visualize precisely what is meant by the instructions, and i would hate to waste something. they are ltab 7.5/500's, if that helps at all. thanks for anyone who can shed light on this aspect of the process!

--long-time dweller 1st-time poster :-d


You should just filter the liquid part first, leaving most of the APAP sludge in the cup. Then you should add more ice cold water and do a second CWE to get the hydro that may be remaining in the sludge. You can then thrown the sludge out.

Just out of curiosity, how many 7.5's were you extracting?

[covv799ss]

The first time around I only used 3, because I was afraid of screwing it up and wasting something. My girlfriend drank half of it and said it only felt like 1, so I figured I missed something.

[Narkotikon]

The first time around I only used 3, because I was afraid of screwing it up and wasting something. My girlfriend drank half of it and said it only felt like 1, so I figured I missed something.

I'm not advocating consuming a lot of APAP, but if you're only doing a few, then it's really not necessary. I mean, unless you're getting a bad reaction from the APAP, like if you're allergic to it, then it's really not necessary. I think the maximum amount of APAP that you're supposed to consume in a day is four grams, so eating three vicodins with the APAP in it isn't going to hurt you. Now, if you're talking about 10 or more or even maybe 5 or more, then I would say do the CWE. But for just 3, it's not really necessary. Oh, and no matter how careful you are, you're going to loose some of the hydrocodone in the extraction process. I mean, the only way to prevent that is to 1.) consume them as is, or 2.) do the extraction in a lab. But, you shouldn't do the CWE and expect to get everything. It's just not going to happen.

[covv799ss]

I did 3 as a test run. I was aiming to get about 40 mg in the solution, hopefully with considerably less APAP, because if I take over 1.5 grams of APAP I can get reaaaally nauseous. I wasn't always this way, but it seems to have developed over the past year or so. I will give it another go tomorrow with 5 tabs...hopefully that will yield around 40 mg and not make me ill.

[superman]

follow papa ver's advice. but make sure the solution has been settling in the fridge for a few hours at least. also before pouring into the filter, pre-saturate the filter with clean water, set it in a funnel, and let this sit in the fridge to cool to the same temp as the liquid you're filtering.

without a pre-wetted filter it will clog. but pre-wetted works great. after pouring the solids and liquid into the filter+funnel, let this sit in the firde for a while, when you come back the filter will contain fairly dry acetaminophen. i usually add the APAP to the essel is was poured from, then add more water for a second pull.

edit: it's always easier to work in volume. this reduces loss of yeild due to handling not to mention one extraction is easier than 10

[youwonhundred]

Well, after reading the instructions repeatedly to make sure I did it correctly, I attempted the CWE process on 20 hydro 7.5/500's. I followed the instructions carefully (as carefully as possible, considering I was high already) and then drank what I hope approximated to about 40 mg (assuming i lose 15% in the extraction) and so far, I'm pretty happy with the results. The acetaminophen makes me pretty damn sick, so it being gone is a huge bonus. It seems to hit a bit faster as well, so double bonus. The only remaining question I have is, is the resulting liquid safe to shoot? Anyone have any ideas on that? I was tempted to try it, but dying is kind of a serious side effect on the off chance that it isn't safe. And yes, I realize that safe is really a relative term, considering I'm abusing my drugs to begin with.

[Beautifully_Broken]

my liver hates me :(


been on and off lortabs since i was 13, and before joining this place i had never even heard of a CWE. I got norcos last time cause i was scared, but have been taking 10-20 hydrocodone of some form a day for the past few months, before that i took a 2 yr break from them, but was on them for 3 yrs before that, on and on through the past years. now im scared, should i go get my enzymes checked...the problem in the past has been not having enough at one time to risk loosing any doing a CWE. i remarked to someone the other day how last time on them i was puking 2-3 times a day, but this time ive had no nausea.