The best value on the street for killing pain

[exitwound]

Say that you know all the best hookups in town. You can get the full range of typical street dealer offerings.

You're in really nasty pain, and you can't take it anymore. You need relief. But you have limited money, and you're a family (wo)man trying to keep his/her nose clean so you can't go around shooting up or spending excess time in open-air sketch zones where cops like to run stings and so forth.....

What do you do? What opiate(s) do you buy, and how do you use them?

In short, what is the best option when buying through black market sources to kill pain?

Obviously in most cases, the best value in black market opiates is H. And certainly it is usually easier to get than most pharms.....but I haven't tried it for pain control. Nor have I tried it in concert with other opiates, as I would have to if I ever added it to my regimen.

Thoughts? Discuss!

[AWOL]

Obviously in most cases, the best value in black market opiates is H. And certainly it is usually easier to get than most pharms.....but I haven't tried it for pain control. Nor have I tried it in concert with other opiates, as I would have to if I ever added it to my regimen.

I don't suffer CP, so a little hard for me to take a stand here. But, I think you nailed the answer square on the head with your own post. As far as best value goes, you just can't beat H. It's easy to score ( SOOOOOO much easier than all the exotic shit that will get posted below me) You can take any amount you want. Super fast acting. And it's versatile. Doesn't have to be shot. Plus you fill your own script ! Not necessarily a good thing, but the thread doesn't mention that anywhere. :)

[SpecialGuy69]

Darvocet!!!

Seriously though, when I maintain on h, it's much cheaper than oxycontin. It's probably harder to use as a painkiller because it feels so good, it's a waste to take in small doses. What about methadone? There seems to be a lot of buzz with PM docs scripting methadone lately, and it's easy and cheap to buy on the street. I think you have tried the 'done before, right, ew?

[Narkotikon]

Darvocet!!!

Seriously though, when I maintain on h, it's much cheaper than oxycontin. It's probably harder to use as a painkiller because it feels so good, it's a waste to take in small doses. What about methadone? There seems to be a lot of buzz with PM docs scripting methadone lately, and it's easy and cheap to buy on the street. I think you have tried the 'done before, right, ew?

Yeah, but wouldn't using the done on a regular basis block the effects of exit's other meds in their opiate regimine? I'd have to go with H, because it's generally less expensive than pharmaceuticals, it's usually prevalent in cities, it does feel good in addition to providing pain relief, and it can be used in a variety of ways. Plus, you can add it or delete it without it messing up your other meds. I just have a feeling that if you took the methadone, that it would lessen or dull the effects of your other pain management meds. Or is it that methadone blocks the high and not the pain killing effects? I know it does the former, but I also want to say it does the later too. I could be wrong though. I just would rather do shorter-acting opies than longer ones, but then again I'm thinking in terms of the high and not the painkilling effects.

Edit: I know that you mentioned that you don't want to spend a lot of time in sketchy areas and thereby possibly subjecting yourself to getting busted, but if you score a few times in the area, you're very likely to get a pager number or some kind of contact, whereby you'll be able to meet somewhere else.

[SpecialGuy69]

Yeah, but wouldn't using the done on a regular basis block the effects of exit's other meds in their opiate regimine? I just have a feeling that if you took the methadone, that it would lessen or dull the effects of your other pain management meds. Or is it that methadone blocks the high and not the pain killing effects?
UTFSE Narko!!! What the hell?!?!?!? Look it up, theres like 7 million threads on this question! Look at the search button! Learn it! USE IT!!!

Just kidding, Narko- I don't know either. I think that the blocking powers of meth are somewhat exaggerated, or non-existant. Just something the clinic tells their patients to keep 'em clean. Anybody know the answer to this question? I know... utfse. Whatever. I don't care that much.

Edit: I know that you mentioned that you don't want to spend a lot of time in sketchy areas and thereby possibly subjecting yourself to getting busted
It's unavoidable. Lots of us do it. EW- I know your situation sucks, but a lot of people are in even worse shape. If you want dope reliably, you're going to have to find a hookup. If you had extra meds to trade, it would probably be easy to find the right crowd, who could put you on with a good dope dealer. In my area, there's a guy that will come to my work and drop it off if I buy more than a gram. It's a little more pricey, but whatever. I hope things work out for you, EW- it seems like as fast as they switch your meds, your tolerance goes up and you need another switch. That's gotta totally suck.

[dimebagaboy]

when u can find quality H thats the way 2 go but down here in miami the quality varies from day2day and the count varies from day2day but always remember quality not quantity because a matchhead of good shit bang up is better than a pillow size sack that iz 90 percent quinine right now there is a major sting going on in miami and they are shutting the traps down:mad: that sux for me so i guess its roxi 30s IV for me for the time being but when the sting iz over watch out because it seems that in the winter months the dope is awesome down here i cant wait damn them jump out boys(police)they will never take me alive LOL!

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

haha, you put this on the Heroin board= of course most people will say HEROIN.

anyway, I would say Oxycontin 80's..... they are versatile as you can IV em easily and if youre in a situation .... then you will be hangin n shit and probably find the time/spot to IV it... But in the end they are a MED for Chronic pain.... heh. ANd that is because im a pill head adn i like oxy's and... here they come out cheaper /more reliable than heroin [at least for me]


so bascially the answer is.... bbe Realistic, you are gonna do whatever is easiest to get for ya.


when i was still on heroin, i went to europe to family, and there i could only have so much free time... anyway in both countries I wasnt staying at junkies places but at family's places that i didnt really /know/ .. I still made it secret even though i was there in the morning in the bathroom cooking my brown heroin.
and i found the time to find the junkies and shjit which i didnt know before hand to hook me up. and I didnt get ripped ONCE, which was a fucking surprise because I was thinking to myself that its a certainty that I will.... ive gotten ripped in my 'home city' but didnt in foreign faraway places ... HAHA



anyway, just look at the US ... in some places your oxy's go for $40 for an 80, sometiems you find some idiot who will get rid off em cheaper, and in other places they are 'too expensive' for you.

[AWOL]

How much are you paying for your OC 80's dude? $10 If so I'm commin to Australia!!

I didn't answer Heroin because this is the heroin forum, I don't even look at the individual forums. I just said Heroin because per what you pay for it on the streets, it's the best value for price per how long it lasts.

[PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO]

Say that you know all the best hookups in town. You can get the full range of typical street dealer offerings.

You're in really nasty pain, and you can't take it anymore. You need relief. But you have limited money, and you're a family (wo)man trying to keep his/her nose clean so you can't go around shooting up or spending excess time in open-air sketch zones where cops like to run stings and so forth.....

What do you do? What opiate(s) do you buy, and how do you use them?

In short, what is the best option when buying through black market sources to kill pain?

Obviously in most cases, the best value in black market opiates is H. And certainly it is usually easier to get than most pharms.....but I haven't tried it for pain control. Nor have I tried it in concert with other opiates, as I would have to if I ever added it to my regimen.

Thoughts? Discuss!
I hear you man...it really is a whole different ballgame when you have a family. It really adds more pressure because you have people to take care of and not just your self. It was deffinetly easier before i had a family and not so much when it was just me and my wife cause we both like opiates...that actually kind of helps to be married to an opiate user (in some ways). But once you have children thats when different pressures come about relating to opiate use and chronic pain.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

DV> so it comes out cheaper to have a heroin habit then an Oxycotton habit in the US ? I sorta knew that , but then we pay a FIFTY for a fifty and you pay a 10 for a bag ? or a ummmm 40 for a gram of Tar ?

anyway we have different dollars here so your bankcard wont work because we have different banks so at the dealers cash machine outside his door it wont work your card. YEah I mean our Fifties are yellow n grey your ones are white and green ?

[shaunclo]

I would definitely say H also, but it feels so fuckin good - sooner or later your tolerance is going to shoot up and you wont be able to afford it.

[exitwound]

Darvocet!!!

Seriously though, when I maintain on h, it's much cheaper than oxycontin. It's probably harder to use as a painkiller because it feels so good, it's a waste to take in small doses. What about methadone? There seems to be a lot of buzz with PM docs scripting methadone lately, and it's easy and cheap to buy on the street. I think you have tried the 'done before, right, ew?

Yeah, methadone is an option although it does have a lot of side effects. I've only tried it for 1 or 2 doses before returning to my prescribed meds, so I can't really speak about how it works when used properly for maintenance/long-term pain management. I would only really consider methadone, in my case, if I lost my prescription coverage and still needed major long-acting narcotics. That's because it's dirt cheap.....

In my case, oxycodone has proved to be insufficient to control my pain. It just didn't seem to be enough at any dose I could tolerate without puking. I still use it for breakthrough, until I can get my long-acting med situation ironed out. Then I will probably try the Opana instant release, because even at the right dose of base medication, knowing my conditions I will still need something really strong to knock down pain flares. And 5mg OxyIR is not doing it for me; I want to be able to use my prescribed dosage, or less, and live a decent quality of life. Right now, I'm not even close. =/

So, I need some pretty powerful stuff. As powerful as I can get. That's why I'm thinking so much about Oxymorphone; aside from Fentanyl it's the strongest stuff out there, neh?

[exitwound]

I would definitely say H also, but it feels so fuckin good - sooner or later your tolerance is going to shoot up and you wont be able to afford it.

Well, my plan for that (if it comes to using H as a supplemental option) is this:

[And I'm sure it sounds very risky to many H users. But it's the only condition I could allow myself to use the stuff; if I found myself sliding and using it too much for pleasure or breaking the bank with it, I'd have to fall back on whatever my doc will give me.]

Because I am not on morphine anymore, and have never taken H before, I will have only partial cross-tolerance. And I can retain that advantage if I use it no more than a few times per month, for the worst extreme pain flares when I just can't sleep and am in agony.*

You have to realize, I have a natural buffer against opiate abuse; I am extremely sensitive to opiate-induced nausea and just beyond the doses which are required for my pain control, I start puking. I don't really get high from opiates, especially now that I am so tolerant.

So as you mention, tolerance is an issue.....but I'm already on the road to being quite hyper-tolerant and I think the trick, in my case, to possibly adding H to my arsenal is to never develop a full tolerance to it.....only the partial cross-tolerance from my other meds.

[exitwound]

Yeah it's a bitch, brother. I feel like I'm always a step behind the progression of my pain....and combined with a fast-increasing tolerance that makes it hard to get by on what my doc feels comfortable prescribing. I try to make do but it's been tough to be functional and get much done for my family.

I do need to make connections but I don't know where to start! I know a fair number of people, but they are mostly in the area of the city 30 minutes to the south; not many in my immediate area, although I did get to know a local opiophile recently. We'll see what comes of that....mostly in the past several years, I've gotten by on things I've either ordered online, or traded for with friends that I've had for many years who live elsewhere but who I know online.

I'm definitely going to have to beef up my connections both locally and otherwise, while being damned careful about it. And I'm going to have to renew old friendships with people who where my junkie acquaintances long before I had chronic pain & used opiates on any regular basis.....

It's unavoidable. Lots of us do it. EW- I know your situation sucks, but a lot of people are in even worse shape. If you want dope reliably, you're going to have to find a hookup. If you had extra meds to trade, it would probably be easy to find the right crowd, who could put you on with a good dope dealer. In my area, there's a guy that will come to my work and drop it off if I buy more than a gram. It's a little more pricey, but whatever. I hope things work out for you, EW- it seems like as fast as they switch your meds, your tolerance goes up and you need another switch. That's gotta totally suck.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

"That's because it's dirt" - True about Methadone !!! Im on that toksik waste right now , why does it feel like it made in Tschernobyl ? I know it can possibly be my brain , I fucking trust my heroin dealer with what i was buying more than the methadone - maybe they put a fucking nice mix of extacy and meth with it for fun and some hallucination shit also. Every TIME it was like that. The only time it werent like that was when i bought the shit illegally off of *& in a 'nother country./



Anyway, that put aside, damn it looks to me you just like getting stoned and i dont fucking get whats the cross-tolerance shit thing.... I really dont want to read all your 1300 posts, thats why ill just say this shit here; have you injected and all other shit n stuff, coke or meth or something ..... ?
Because how are you gonna Do It, you cant buy that shit in a supermarket and it doesnt come with a box and expiry date....... why would you want to do all that shit with just buying it.... if i cant understand you and im not some antidrug fuck im a addict myself, then really what pain doctor would believe ya ...


you wouldn't want to be on heroin reliability-wise . Fuck No. and if you are in pain and shit , apart from the hangin-out business , how could u manage that fuck-around business with a dealer when you will be in pain+the dope sick pain+the heroin wait fuck-around .

do you want to get more stress and shit. Id advise trying crack for that everynight :/

[Woods]

Well, I can’t speak for most places, but in Vancouver The most available painkillers on the street are, in order: heroin, codeine (Tylenol 3’s), morphine, hydromorphone (dilaudid), and finally oxycontin. That being said, there’s a fair gap between T3s and D’s, and again between M and oxys.

There is always heroin if you’re willing to look, and because they’re so prescribed and useless, there are almost always T3s around. Why anyone would be willing to pay 25 cents a piece for T3s, especially in a place like Vancouver, and considering you can get 200 T1s for $8 and do a CWE I have no idea.

Then you get morphine and dilaudid. They’re both available every day, multiple times a day, on the “pill corner” (Main and Hastings). That being said, especially when dealing with morphine, many if not most of the junkies with morphine prescriptions have to pick them up like methadone, daily, or even in some cases 3 times a day. Because of that people will often come down with only a couple morphine 100’s, and they go fast. Today I got 2 100’s for $20 because I was lucky enough to ask first when I was down, and bought the only 2 he had. Immediately several people tried to buy them from me, but I was in no mood to part with my babies. Both morphine and dilaudid got for $10 for 100’s and 8’s respectively. Dilaudid comes in 2’s, 4’s, and 8’s, and morphine comes in 30’s, 60’s, 100’s and 200’s, but all prices are straight multiples of 8’s and 100’s.

Then there’s oxy. Oxy 80’s go for 15-20$ a piece when available, which is almost never. They're nice for a change of pace, when you can get them, but around here anyway they're so rare as to not be worth discussing further.

Now, when available I’d say morphine is the best deal, since a 100 and a dilaudid 8 cost the same, but at roughly 8x the power of morphine, 8mg is only roughly equivalent of 64mg of morphine, however of course it’s more complicated then that, because hydromorphone is qualitatively as well as quantitatively superior. Heroin can be a better deal, or not, depending on the purity. Some bags are definitely better then an 8 or a 100, but sometimes you need at least 2 to equal one pill. Also, I’ve never been given a fake pill because it’s just too hard to fake a dilaudid or morphine, and if you’re going to do something like that, you’ll just make flaps and fill them with fake H.

That being said, I have been sold fake morphine, 6 100’s for $60 once. They weren’t pills, but bits of tied up shopping bags. Of course I knew I was getting burned, but when I tried to open one, the business end of a syringe held to my throat convinced me to take the man’s word for it.

[shaunclo]

Im my experience EW, it is fairly easy to have H grab you and never let go. It is on another level compared to all other opiates. I have tried them all, and H is the mother of them all. So in my experience, I can fuck around with OC's, fent, dilaudid, etc, but when it comes to H - a little fun always turns into a very long binge for me. This is just me.

[Woods]

I've never really noticed any difference between H and dilaudid.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

"the business end of a syringe held to my throat convinced me to take the man’s word for it." - yo thanks for the detailed rundown of the pricing in Van. my friend just got lost in action there ... haha.

, I never heard of that kind of shit.... lucky i only had to rely on scoring off the street for the firdst four weeks of my using time and i knew a guy who did that shit because it was cheap-eR , seems like the street in van is more ghetto then the street in melb.
anyway they sorta closed down the city open air market spot, and the two suburbs close enough to city who still are open are shit house.

they only ever sold heroin on the streets here . and like 9 out of 10 people sellin the shit on the street is a vietnamese.... what sorts do the street thing there or any sort ?


Anyway m.... fuck man what were ya thinkin just oppening the package up on the street just like that ? i would at least try n ask if it cool with him first, or dont the coppers ever go after the street dealers at all ?

[remybur12]

Good stage 5 heroin is a lot cheaper then buying a oxy 80 you can get a gram of this stuff for forty dollars around Richmond. I hate that nasty black tar shit. I perfer nice white heroin. Plus in my opinion heroin beats the hell out of oxys

[Ragdoll]

exit, I wish I could help you out. I have no answer(s) for you, but I want to thank you for posting the question. It sounds like you and I are in a similar spot, so this thread is helpful for me, too.

~Rags

[Woods]

"the business end of a syringe held to my throat convinced me to take the man’s word for it." - yo thanks for the detailed rundown of the pricing in Van. my friend just got lost in action there ... haha.

, I never heard of that kind of shit.... lucky i only had to rely on scoring off the street for the firdst four weeks of my using time and i knew a guy who did that shit because it was cheap-eR , seems like the street in van is more ghetto then the street in melb.
anyway they sorta closed down the city open air market spot, and the two suburbs close enough to city who still are open are shit house.

they only ever sold heroin on the streets here . and like 9 out of 10 people sellin the shit on the street is a vietnamese.... what sorts do the street thing there or any sort ?


Anyway m.... fuck man what were ya thinkin just oppening the package up on the street just like that ? i would at least try n ask if it cool with him first, or dont the coppers ever go after the street dealers at all ?

I asked if I could check it out, he said he’s “fuck me up” if I did, so I ripped it open anyway. I have the right to check out what I’m being sold. I kept cool and kept opening it as he was opening up his syringe package, but it was hard to open, so he got his open first, and I stopped after he threatened to stab me in the neck. In retrospect a clean syringe isn’t something you should be afraid of, after all they’re meant to go in and out without causing too much damage.

The main thing to learn, and you learn it quick after shit like this goes down, is to never go into an alley with someone you don’t know.

As for who sells what, most of the heroin and pill (dilaudid, morphine, and benzo) dealers are either native or white, and most of them seem to be in their 40’s or 50’s, some older. There are a lot of white rock dealers of the same age, but most of the rock dealers are younger Salvadorian guys, and they pretty much control the market. Oddly enough on a retail level, very few Asians sell heroin, even though they’re the ones who bring almost all of it in. to the country.

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

herrin is a bullshit lifestyle even though you think it can't affect you and wont hit you hard.....


i advise an american film from something like 1990 called 'Chasing the Dragon' , about being a middle-class herin user but not there for the junkie 'lifestyle' .

[AWOL]

I asked if I could check it out, he said he’s “fuck me up” if I did, so I ripped it open anyway. I have the right to check out what I’m being sold. I kept cool and kept opening it as he was opening up his syringe package, but it was hard to open, so he got his open first, and I stopped after he threatened to stab me in the neck. In retrospect a clean syringe isn’t something you should be afraid of, after all they’re meant to go in and out without causing too much damage.

The main thing to learn, and you learn it quick after shit like this goes down, is to never go into an alley with someone you don’t know.

As for who sells what, most of the heroin and pill (dilaudid, morphine, and benzo) dealers are either native or white, and most of them seem to be in their 40’s or 50’s, some older. There are a lot of white rock dealers of the same age, but most of the rock dealers are younger Salvadorian guys, and they pretty much control the market. Oddly enough on a retail level, very few Asians sell heroin, even though they’re the ones who bring almost all of it in. to the country.


Had you handed him the money at this point?

[Badly Drawn Girl]

Say that you know all the best hookups in town. You can get the full range of typical street dealer offerings.

You're in really nasty pain, and you can't take it anymore. You need relief. But you have limited money, and you're a family (wo)man trying to keep his/her nose clean so you can't go around shooting up or spending excess time in open-air sketch zones where cops like to run stings and so forth.....

What do you do? What opiate(s) do you buy, and how do you use them?

In short, what is the best option when buying through black market sources to kill pain?

Obviously in most cases, the best value in black market opiates is H. And certainly it is usually easier to get than most pharms.....but I haven't tried it for pain control. Nor have I tried it in concert with other opiates, as I would have to if I ever added it to my regimen.

Thoughts? Discuss!

I'd get methadone, no doubt. That's what works best for my pain, at least out of the meds I've tried (which honestly, isn't that many.) H scares the hell out of me. I think I would love it so much I would ruin my life. I try really hard to just medicate my pain, and not go for a high. But I have days that I just want to bask in the warm glow of it all. I get that feeling from Oxys but the effect doesn't last as long as the 'done. My issue with the methadone though is that it makes me cranky. I can't really explain it. I feel good, and yet I'm anxious and kinda bitchy. And I HATE nodding out. I have very limited contacts so I don't usually come across anything good. Tons of percs and vic's. I can usually get about 10 of the 20 mg Oxys a week and if I really wanted to feel pain free, that would be a two day supply. All I have to say is chronic pain fucking sucks.

[exitwound]

Yeah, one of the main reasons I've avoided methadone is concern about the side effects. And tricky transition on/off it, managing it alongside other meds as something other than the base med, etc....

[exitwound]

herrin is a bullshit lifestyle even though you think it can't affect you and wont hit you hard.....


i advise an american film from something like 1990 called 'Chasing the Dragon' , about being a middle-class herin user but not there for the junkie 'lifestyle' .

Yeah, I'll definitely check that out if I can find it!

And you're right about the lifestyle. Of course I have a very unusual set of genes for how my body reacts to opiates; I almost certainly couldn't handle the doses required to really enjoy smack properly, especially IV.

I have many reasons why I think in my unique situation I'm pretty well positioned to handle it, if anyone can.....but of course, it always come back to the fact that heroin has a nature all its own and just because it's an opiate, doesn't mean you can always group it with any other and underestimate its unique tendency to flood into the brain faster than any other......

[exitwound]

exit, I wish I could help you out. I have no answer(s) for you, but I want to thank you for posting the question. It sounds like you and I are in a similar spot, so this thread is helpful for me, too.

~Rags

Glad to hear it! I hope you find peace and relief. Nobody deserves any less.