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Opiofiend
10-14-2012, 06:16 PM
Drug Dealers Advertise on Craigslist

By MARK GREENBLATT | ABC News Sat, Oct 13, 2012




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An undercover sting by the New York Police Department and the city's Special Narcotics Prosecutor has revealed a booming business for drug dealers who now openly advertise on Craigslist.
Police arrested 21 in the New York area after undercover officers made 63 separate drug purchases, responding to brazen ads for "bundles of dope" and open advertisements for Adderall, Xanax, or Oxycontin.
One ad offered, "Friendly Nyu student who can offer pain relief and anxiety relief. easy, non-sketchy, straightforward meeting."
"That's really what stands out in this case: the openness, the blatant approach," NYPD Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told ABC News. "The wording was such that you knew it was illegal, we knew the drugs we were talking about."
Kelly said he has seen the number of prescriptions for Adderall and Oxycontin both skyrocket, with each going up by 100 percent over a four-year period.
"Clearly there has been a major increase in the use of prescription drugs and clearly the use of illegal prescription drugs," he said.
Kelley is helping to lead the national fight against the illegal drug trade online. Last year, the NYPD made a separate similar bust that netted 40 arrests.
Yet ABC News found the business is still booming in cities across America.
A quick search of Craigslist revealed ads selling Adderall in Los Angeles for $8 a pill.
In Philadelphia, would-be buyers go online, too. ABC News found one advertising "study aid needed" saying they were "Willing to pay well" and asking a seller to email them.
In Brooklyn, N.Y., a seller is still advertising a "gReaT DeaL" for a bundle of Adderall prescription drugs to be used as "study Aid$." They say you can "GRAB all 20" prescription drugs for $275.
Aaron Wallenstein, the attorney for Rosanna Gorgy, a Brooklyn resident ensnared in the sting, declared the innocence of the dental assistant.
"She maintains her innocence," Wallenstein wrote. "She did not place any advertisements on Craigslist, nor did she believe she was committing any crime, but was unfortunately duped by a friend."
Prosecutors allege she sold drugs to undercover officers on three occasions.
Others arrested included a financial advisor, a veteran photographer, and a graduate student at New York University.
'Study Aids' Trade
Yasmin Malhotra, 25, is an international affairs graduate student at NYU who has pleaded not guilty.
The illegal trade of "study aids" has exploded on college campuses across the nation. When ABC News visited NYU today, students were not surprised to hear about how brazen the dealers had become.
"I think it is pretty easy to get if you want to," said NYU Freshman Alex Martin, 18, who is in a pre-med program. Martin said he has never personally taken a stimulant, but told ABC News he would know where to go if he wanted to find some.
"Yeah, yeah I would," he said. "It's not uncommon at all."
Ironically, some of those still advertising the drugs openly on Craigslist after the recent bust were politely requesting that any responders not include law enforcement.
Kelly said part of the problem is the exploding number of prescriptions that are not well tracked, allowing for some doctors to flood the market with the drugs.
He says within two years, the state of New York will no longer allow doctors to issue prescriptions on paper.
Instead, he says, the state is developing an electronic database where physicians will enter their prescriptions. Law enforcement will be able to use the database to track those who prescribe an unusual number of anxiety or pain medication pills.
Kelly said he expects other states to follow suit.








For once, I actually have to agree with the cops(i think its also snowing in hell). Its amazing how brazen these ppl are. Ive seen these adverts on plenty of different forum websites, and personally, would NEVER trust these ppl enough to send them money for anything, esp drugs. Im sure a few are real, but the majority of these have to be fakes and scams.

Also, for supposedly being intelligent and educated these ppl are quite the opposite. That just goes to show you that there is a huge difference bw being book smart and street smart. Even though most street smarts is akin to common sense. Also, how much dumber can you get then to blatanly post a "Drugs for sale" thread, and then actually meet the replier in person? I think these ppl need some "study aids" for their upcoming classes on prison rape.

chemboy7
10-14-2012, 06:35 PM
Have they not heard of Silk Road? Not only would selling on there be safer but they could charge more. There was someone on here recently that talked about using CL to score in new cities and he claimed a fairly good success rate, IIRC. It really is hard to feel any kind of sympathy for the ones who are getting caught though. It's not like drugs are hard to sell, why resort to using that medium? Oh well, if the powers that be are focusing on drugs maybe there will be less attention paid to the escorts.

Defense34
10-14-2012, 06:39 PM
Have they not heard of Silk Road? Not only would selling on there be safer but they could charge more. There was someone on here recently that talked about using CL to score in new cities and he claimed a fairly good success rate, IIRC. It really is hard to feel any kind of sympathy for the ones who are getting caught though. It's not like drugs are hard to sell, why resort to using that medium? Oh well, if the powers that be are focusing on drugs maybe there will be less attention paid to the escorts.

its college kids selling rx's, they arent "drug dealers", at least by thier own and societies view. they are afraid to go stand on a corner or even do some product placement, shit why do you think mthere are so many OD's amongst suburban kids whove never even set foot in the open air market, they are afriad. let em get caught up , less heat on the real market

chemboy7
10-14-2012, 06:43 PM
Even still, selling Adderal (or any drugs, really) on a college campus is easy as fuck.

I-Nod
10-14-2012, 06:54 PM
He says within two years, the state of New York will no longer allow doctors to issue prescriptions on paper.
Instead, he says, the state is developing an electronic database where physicians will enter their prescriptions. Law enforcement will be able to use the database to track those who prescribe an unusual number of anxiety or pain medication pills.

This was the low-point of the article... bums me out. Goodbye pill-mills.

Opiofiend
10-14-2012, 09:57 PM
This was the low-point of the article... bums me out. Goodbye pill-mills.



Im not sure why this is such a suprise to you. This shit is going on everywhere and Im pretty sure NY already has a RX monitoring system or is at least in the works. The only change will be that drs will simply electronically transfer the scripts to the pharmacy instead of handing out paper ones to each patient. I personally dont mind that as paper scripts are just another thing to handle and worry about.

Michael.
10-14-2012, 11:01 PM
CB - Silkroad is harder to understand and I think if you're selling on CL you're probably not too security concerned. Also there's the question of the fee for setting up a vendor account. I can't imagine the average drug dealer understanding how to work the encryption and shit, despite how really simple it actually is.

I-Nod
10-14-2012, 11:25 PM
Im not sure why this is such a suprise to you. This shit is going on everywhere and Im pretty sure NY already has a RX monitoring system or is at least in the works. The only change will be that drs will simply electronically transfer the scripts to the pharmacy instead of handing out paper ones to each patient. I personally dont mind that as paper scripts are just another thing to handle and worry about.

Haven't been around/ following opiate-related news or advancements for awhile. So, that's why it's a surprise... still bummed me out.

Nodding_Off
10-15-2012, 01:25 AM
A year or so back, I saw a CL post for San Diego that was plain and simple. I don't remember word for word, but it was something like "100 xannax 1mg footballs for $175. Text (***)***-****".

Cheers
Nodding_Off

Bricks & Stacks
10-15-2012, 02:20 AM
CB - Silkroad is harder to understand and I think if you're selling on CL you're probably not too security concerned. Also there's the question of the fee for setting up a vendor account. I can't imagine the average drug dealer understanding how to work the encryption and shit, despite how really simple it actually is.

I def hard considered buying a fake drivers license off SR after all the shit I looked at, I couldn't stop thinking about it fof weeks. I don't any fake ID connects these days cuz til recently I never need one but the ones I knew were from the day before pholograms and shit so I never trusted it. SR def seems viable tho if dude knows what he's doing

As far s CL vs. SR sellers, once again I would go with the SR dudes. A lot of them seem to be making a substantial amount of money, not to mention the forum is what really makes it. If someone is rippin people off they instantly get put on blast on the forum so if you read someone is a burrner and still take a risk with him well, needless to say, that'd just be completely your fault.

If the streets of Bmore are out of the equation, SR would def be my next choice not to mention I've seen a lot of great reviews of dope that was ordered from there.

Still say it's crazy to deal with random strangers, I never even really had dealers who weren't friends can't imagine being hooked on some guys product you don't know.

That fake drivers license sure is lookin good tho....(before anyone says yes I'm over 21 it's not to get in the club and #2 I know it wont pass for MOST cops especially if they run it but that 1% that wont run it and let me go si worth every dime of it)

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CB - Silkroad is harder to understand and I think if you're selling on CL you're probably not too security concerned. Also there's the question of the fee for setting up a vendor account. I can't imagine the average drug dealer understanding how to work the encryption and shit, despite how really simple it actually is.

Word I would hard go with SR because smuggling it myself. Not to mention I've heard some great reviews off some of the batches of dope on SR.

Honestly until a few weeks ago I never really looked into SR, and being from a metro area the drugs just to expensive. but god damn do I want one of those hologram and everything fake id's! For the haters...#1) Fuck you 2) Yes I realize if a cop sans it it will come back fake)

My theory is if I get stopped 10 times a week, and one of those ten times the cop doesn'tt run my id. That would all be worth it to me. On the other hand I'm sure it's a felony for a fake ID but I'lll take it when they catch me

Opiofiend
10-15-2012, 05:47 AM
Haven't been around/ following opiate-related news or advancements for awhile. So, that's why it's a surprise... still bummed me out.


That sucks. YOu picked a real fucked up time to pop your head back above ground. Like you went underground for a few years and before you were going under it was raining pills everywhere and they were easy to obtain, cheap to buy, and bountiful all around. Now you are popping back up above ground and the pillpocolypse has happened. The world is now a desolate place where all fun pills are now strictly controlled and limited on all levels by an overlording, overzealous, single-minded, demonic, junta-like government agency.

WELCOME TO PILLPOCOLYPSE NOW!!! anyone wanna gather up all the pharmies we can grab and move into the jungles like Col. Kurtz and the crew?

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I def hard considered buying a fake drivers license off SR after all the shit I looked at, I couldn't stop thinking about it fof weeks. I don't any fake ID connects these days cuz til recently I never need one but the ones I knew were from the day before pholograms and shit so I never trusted it. SR def seems viable tho if dude knows what he's doing

As far s CL vs. SR sellers, once again I would go with the SR dudes. A lot of them seem to be making a substantial amount of money, not to mention the forum is what really makes it. If someone is rippin people off they instantly get put on blast on the forum so if you read someone is a burrner and still take a risk with him well, needless to say, that'd just be completely your fault.

If the streets of Bmore are out of the equation, SR would def be my next choice not to mention I've seen a lot of great reviews of dope that was ordered from there.

Still say it's crazy to deal with random strangers, I never even really had dealers who weren't friends can't imagine being hooked on some guys product you don't know.

That fake drivers license sure is lookin good tho....(before anyone says yes I'm over 21 it's not to get in the club and #2 I know it wont pass for MOST cops especially if they run it but that 1% that wont run it and let me go si worth every dime of it)

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Word I would hard go with SR because smuggling it myself. Not to mention I've heard some great reviews off some of the batches of dope on SR.

Honestly until a few weeks ago I never really looked into SR, and being from a metro area the drugs just to expensive. but god damn do I want one of those hologram and everything fake id's! For the haters...#1) Fuck you 2) Yes I realize if a cop sans it it will come back fake)

My theory is if I get stopped 10 times a week, and one of those ten times the cop doesn'tt run my id. That would all be worth it to me. On the other hand I'm sure it's a felony for a fake ID but I'lll take it when they catch me


If i were you i would think twice, three, four, and maybe five times before going that route. This day and age with terrorism being all the rage with the govt im pretty sure that fake ids are seen as a huge no-no. defintely a felony. Even more so if you try to use one to pass yourself off as someone else to a officer of the law. Being a college kid getting caught with a fakie going into a bar or something is one thing. Its a whole other to purposely hand it to an officer to try and deceive them. Im just saying, with the patriot act and all the other shady laws we dont even know about I wouldnt take the risk.

SHELLEY
10-15-2012, 09:33 AM
shit i fucking love craigslist
swim's last ad said "PAIN DOC FWM" and a throwaway number lol

chinaski
10-13-2013, 05:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that Craigslist has blocked all pill/drug posts in the past month or so? I didn't see an official announcement so I assume it's just a part of their overall policy.

I never really bought anything off of c-list (prices were nuts), but I liked the fact it was there as an option. I *was* able to fund subs pretty regularly at very good prices, now that's pretty well fucked.

Any suggestions for a c-list alternative?

Michael.
10-13-2013, 06:04 PM
I've heard of it, but we don't have CL here, which is a shame because I hear it's great. We've just got a sort of ebay type thing that does similar. One thing I had heard about was the gay meet ups on CL, where there's a thing called P&P / party and play, which is doing meth and banging supposedly. Anyway, some guy said he answered these posts and asked the guy about getting some h instead and apparently had success after 10 goes. Personally I think there's easier ways to do it but some people seem to be flat out of luck in the scoring department.

I'd say the next best thing to that would be reddits opiate roll call thing. That's damn close to blatant. Actually scratch that, it IS blatant.

turnedwand
10-14-2013, 03:14 PM
What does "after 10 goes" mean? Is it that,, after meeting up and banging on meth ten times, the instigator approved a go for h instead? I'd say that there's DEFINITELY better ways of going about it lol. Jk but ya

methadoniac1972
10-14-2013, 05:12 PM
back when "bath salts" and "spice" (weed i.e. the fake kind) were all the rage and still quasi-legal , there were a few posts on the local Craigslist here in Upstate NY advertising them for sale (they said they had the "hookup" and would deliver! ..how convenient!.

they were also looking for people to sell the spice type product, which had a small manufacturer here. there was even a write-up in our local paper showing on of the local police officers at the lil' factory o' weed and he was saying how he did not like it, but his hands were tied and could only stand around and watch as this person flaunted the law in front of him well if it WAS legal, then what was "flaunted" exactly?

There was a local business selling the popular products from a VERY popular online seller still doing business today (initials are something like (A H C. .) the local business sold the bath salts (not allowed to ask for that it was a big no-no and the spice type stuff. then one day the sheriff and state troopers showed up at his shop, emptied it out and told him in no uncertain terms he was not to re-open, but was not ever charged with a crime (most likely as it was NOT a crime) He sold only the legal for our state products.

there is some kind of "health law" stating it is illegal to possess sell etc any of those things.. it was a classic case of asset forfeiture

AFAIK Craigslist does not allow salesz/trade/ads for guns or gun parts. however many (as well as I) get away w/it as advertising for "certain sporting goods and items that may or may not go bang- bang" they are frequently flagged and go right back up. There are more ads for 'discreet encounters for massage and other services.

I'm sure no SEX is going on (;p )

Princess Kitty
10-14-2013, 05:18 PM
Has anyone noticed that Craigslist has blocked all pill/drug posts in the past month or so? I didn't see an official announcement so I assume it's just a part of their overall policy.

I never really bought anything off of c-list (prices were nuts), but I liked the fact it was there as an option. I *was* able to fund subs pretty regularly at very good prices, now that's pretty well fucked.

Any suggestions for a c-list alternative?

There a was dude in the personals advertising pain pills for sex. I emailed offering cash.

His "pain pills" were gabapentin. Glad I didn't meet up with him. I would have kicked him in the nuts. Dumb fucker

Defense34
10-14-2013, 05:27 PM
There a was dude in the personals advertising pain pills for sex. I emailed offering cash.

His "pain pills" were gabapentin. Glad I didn't meet up with him. I would have kicked him in the nuts. Dumb fucker

gaba for sex? haha, hmm, ya know i DO take gaba ladies, just sayin ;)

chinaski
10-14-2013, 08:50 PM
Wow, I guess nobody has been crawling craigslist for opiates. Well, up until a month ago you could find all kinds of stuff -- pharms, H, trades, OG OCs, subs... Then one day they just stopped. It's not like you see a posting for Fent and it gets flagged and dropped. You just don't see anything at all. Maybe they installed something that does a word search and blocks anything like 'oxy' or something... I just know it used to be really entertaining to see what out there and now it's gone.

And I guess there are no Craigslist alternatives for local hookup. Fuck this scene is dire.

jdub
10-14-2013, 09:15 PM
^ I actually read this thread this afternoon and used cl to buy a q of weed. My normal guy hasn't been answering his phone, and I was sick of buying skimpy 20's from the dope boyz.

MamaCali
10-14-2013, 09:27 PM
I just looked at my area, just the first page in for sale Heath and beauty had 7 pot sellers and oxy and a Viagra.


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chinaski
10-15-2013, 12:55 AM
^ I actually read this thread this afternoon and used cl to buy a q of weed. My normal guy hasn't been answering his phone, and I was sick of buying skimpy 20's from the dope boyz.

Yeah I guess they don't care much about weed, it's basically legal. Just sayin', the rest of the pharms are gone.

No sure where you are, MamaCali, but I'm not seeing any oxy in the bay area. And I used to see 3-4 posts a day with oxy, morphine, fent, benzos, subs, ect.

They're gone now. At least for the SF bay area. Maybe it's a local thing but I doubt it. Also, I'm not looking for viagra. LOL

Michael.
10-15-2013, 01:20 AM
try reddits opiate roll call subreddit. I already mentioned it a few posts above.

MamaCali
10-15-2013, 07:22 AM
Yeah I guess they don't care much about weed, it's basically legal. Just sayin', the rest of the pharms are gone.

No sure where you are, MamaCali, but I'm not seeing any oxy in the bay area. And I used to see 3-4 posts a day with oxy, morphine, fent, benzos, subs, ect.

They're gone now. At least for the SF bay area. Maybe it's a local thing but I doubt it. Also, I'm not looking for viagra. LOL

I'm also there. I believe the oxy said Oakland/piedmont area. I'll see if I can find it again.


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Poppies
10-15-2013, 07:57 AM
I've found connects on CL a bunch of times. It's easy, and with no open air here (unless I went to the Bay Area), it's usually convenient and quick. I am usually looking for methamp and that's easy to find here, but no one slings it on the corners, it's all in the PnP scene. I send a few emails back and forth, ask for photos, etc., before meeting in a public place. I don't think it's any more dangerous than cold-copping in SF. I haven't been ripped off yet (knock on wood) but did have one shady character try to give me some noxious powder that reeked of chemicals. I don't invite CL people to my home and would only go to theirs if we had met a few times.

I haven't had any luck scoring a connect that has heroin yet but I have managed to grab some Xanax and lesser opiates.

ratgirldjh
10-15-2013, 10:34 AM
what section do they post in? i've never seen anything where i live and i often scan CL anyway so look around. give me a hint pls? i just want to scope it out... i'm curious... :D

FEAR
10-15-2013, 10:59 AM
what section do they post in? i've never seen anything where i live and i often scan CL anyway so look around. give me a hint pls? i just want to scope it out... i'm curious... :D

I found some listings for "diesel" in the For Sale section in NYC.

jdub
10-15-2013, 12:15 PM
I'm also there. I believe the oxy said Oakland/piedmont area. I'll see if I can find it again.


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Yeah, there was an add for a 215s, yesterday in Oakland.

MamaCali
10-15-2013, 02:43 PM
what section do they post in? i've never seen anything where i live and i often scan CL anyway so look around. give me a hint pls? i just want to scope it out... i'm curious... :D

Health and beauty is where I looked, happy hunting!


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HydroMoreFound
10-15-2013, 02:58 PM
Health and beauty is where I looked, happy hunting!


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I just looked out of curiosity. There were several listings in my area for medical weed, but I didn't see any listings for hard drugs, unless I missed a code word or something.

Matt M
10-15-2013, 03:10 PM
There is never anything in my area. I live in a smallish(compared to a lot of you guys) area. About 225000 ppl in the corridor area so that's probably why.

Defense34
10-15-2013, 03:38 PM
couldnt find shit really, just now when looked in chi. 2 "study aid" ad a few weed, but 0 of anythng else. guess its just a matter of the area, not the actual craiglist site taking them down.

Princess Kitty
10-15-2013, 04:50 PM
I guess in Washington there's a loophole that if the buyer is "donating" in exchange for weed its OK. Saw tons of listings for it.

Mist importantly there's an ad for a partial used tampon with pics.....

Rent
10-15-2013, 05:42 PM
YUCK!! How is it partial used?? What did they do with the rest it.

Sad thing is I bet it gets sold.

chinaski
10-15-2013, 07:11 PM
Yeah, there was an add for a 215s, yesterday in Oakland.

Yeah I saw that one. Surprisingly it's still up. What i've been seeing in the past month is any post with pharms is flagged and gone within minutes/hours. I'm just saying I've used the same search criteria in 'for sale' (never tried health and beauty), and in the past there would always be 5-10 posts (usually pretty outrageous prices, but they were there). And ALWAYS a bunch of people looking for/offering subs, which has worked for me in the past. Maybe people are just freaked out about Silk Road, the drop off happened around then. Maybe nothing is going on. Guess I'll just check out Reddit (thx Michael)

srqmoviemaker
10-15-2013, 07:53 PM
Mist importantly there's an ad for a partial used tampon with pics.....

what the fuck?!

theres a girl locally selling positive preg tests... I can see a need for that, but I partially used tampon.. *shakes head*

Matt M
10-15-2013, 08:05 PM
I looked up orange county and found some. This was the best.
roxi shorts 30
Blue shorts, roxy brand. Size 30.
Email for info. 20ea firm. Please leave how many pairs you want & ill reply asap.
Cerritos, Lakewood Area

chinaski
10-15-2013, 08:17 PM
I looked up orange county and found some. This was the best.
roxi shorts 30
Blue shorts, roxy brand. Size 30.
Email for info. 20ea firm. Please leave how many pairs you want & ill reply asap.
Cerritos, Lakewood Area

Hah, yeah I've seen a few like that. It could be that people are just being less obvious about it now -- my search terms were pretty blatant but if I really mess with syntax I'm starting to see a few more things. It's just that the same saved search I used no longer works. There's still stuff out there for sure.

I don't really get the reddit roll call thing. Nobody has any specific offers, they just say 'here I am in the 415'. I guess I need to watch it more to figure out how it works, I've never been into reddit.

OpiateGuy
10-23-2013, 07:37 AM
Yeah, its real easy to get pills, weed, coke, or meth off craigslist. (Coke & Meth usually involve having to look for a gay partner to want to 'party'.. Fuck all that shit.. unless you're into that sort of thing)

When I was in rehab at the betty ford center in Palm Springs, California, we were all from different parts of the US so we had no local dealers.. So we went on craigslist and called the dude advertising and he would just bring us whatever we ordered straight to the fence by the rehab and hand it through for an extra $20 delivery fee. One time he even bought a pack of needles for someone who was wanting to shoot the morphine pills we bought.

I only used him once (The day before I left rehab) and was able to cop some percocet and morphine ER's.. Popped them all the night before and was high all night and all day the next day (Thanks for absolutely taking my tolerance to 0, rehab.. At least I was able to gain SOMETHING from my wasted 3 months in there).. Was throwing up the entire 2 hours at the airport before my flight. Luckily, the nausea went away before I boarded.. It was nice nodding all the way from california to chicago.. That was a good flight.

FreedomOrBust
10-24-2013, 06:03 AM
Just want to caution anyone buying online through CL or the SY IOP's, there are a lot of fake A215's around, so be careful.

Also, there seems to be a fair amount of knock-off 10/325 Watson 853's around, I know, because I got some of them a while back. And, I paid a pretty penny for them, too.

Biggavelli
10-24-2013, 06:44 AM
^Yup. My buddy even got a call about 40mg stop signs a while back for a fabulous price...we figured it was too good to be true but we went anyways. Get there...picture perfect fakes. Seasoned vets were fooled. didn't know until he ground the first one up and it was yellow all the way through that they were fake. Poor guy we got em' from bought 100! Sure he still sold em anyways though...