Portugal legalized heroin?

[badpain]

Hello
I heard in Portugal they legallized heroin, and other drugs, That you can get a ten day supply
legally. What is the amount of a ten day supply and is it true?

[PRIZEFIGHTERINFERNO]

do you have a link i can check out...very interested. My wife is portugese maybe well be moving soon. All though i dont know what life is like in portugal. my grandmother visited there and said it was a beuatifull place.

[AWOL]

do you have a link i can check out...very interested. My wife is portugese maybe well be moving soon. All though i dont know what life is like in portugal. my grandmother visited there and said it was a beuatifull place.

I've been there, it's georgous. But you can kiss a lot of things you take for granted goodbye. Might bother you, might not. Last I heard Mexico legalized personal possesion of any substance legal.

[red26]

I just gotta know! I been wanting to at least go to if not move to Portugal for a while now and after getting 2 years probation, once a week drug classes and 2 U.A.'s a week at random for having .168 or some other rediculously low weight of tar on me I'd say tis time to bail the fuk outta here. Just a pleasant thought... It would be pretty cool if we had our own little town on the edge of the sea, maybe called opiophileberg or somethin like that. I'm so fed up. I litterally had enough to get a lab rat off, tops! If you've got the time keep us posted on this!:D

[alowishus]

Hello
I heard in Portugal they legallized heroin, and other drugs, That you can get a ten day supply
legally. What is the amount of a ten day supply and is it true?


You're still digging huh?

4 posts and everyone of them asking for H. You live in one of the biggest drug import states there is......or maybe you're digging for some other reason.

Why not just move to "the Dam"?

[SpecialGuy69]

You're still digging huh?

4 posts and everyone of them asking for H. You live in one of the biggest drug import states there is......or maybe you're digging for some other reason.

Why not just move to "the Dam"?
Kinda weird, right, alowish?

Hey badpain- what's your story? Like what got you to the point where you want to just move to somewhere w/legal dope? I'm not trying to attack you, I'm interested to know what pushed you to this point. It sucks living under prohibition, and I feel ya, it would be nice to be able to go to the pharmacy and just buy OC 80's over the counter. But, it's a big step to move to another country, that's why I was wondering what your story is. If you don't feel like sharing, just say so, no offense taken.

[Duckfeet]

I've been there, it's georgous. But you can kiss a lot of things you take for granted goodbye. Might bother you, might not. Last I heard Mexico legalized personal possesion of any substance legal.

On Mexico, it was all set to pass, legalized possesion for personal use, would have changed everything, as they had something like this in place, way back in the day, and you could get legalized morphine script for addicts...one of the reasons W. Burroughs liked it, and more than one junky vet was down there on GI bill, in old days.

But Bush jumped in and Fox squashed latest version of bill. So Mexico is no go, right now. By the way, now is good time to write your representatives, push for legalized heroin maintenance programs for oldline heroin addicts, programs like they have in other countries. I'm going to write Barak Obama about it. As he helped veterans keep their pensions, a while ago, and seems like he's open to newer ideas.

[lukilu]

I did find a article that said , Portugal in 2001 Decriminilized under 10 days worth of Heroin and I beleive other illegal drugs . Interesting read ! Google it if interested .
...........Lukilu

[Pointy]

Mr. Feet's post brings up a pet peeve of mine up. I'm all for changing the way we (U.S.A.) deal with drugs, drug abuse and the associated problems. The whole eradication / interdiction/harsh jail sentences has not worked and is unlikely to do so in the future. However it does get politicians elected.


As for drug users trying to get organized and become a contincuancy that politicains can count on and will listen to - we have a lot of work to do. One of the problems we got is we ain't got much money to give the politicians and so many of us either can't vote or won't vote.

That last part makes me crazy. voting is so easy and requires so little effort. Still so many of us who are able to vote ,refuse to particpate. As long as we contine along this path we will never be represented by anybody. Even people who share our views on the problems caused by crimanalizing drugs and thier use know they can't count on us to support them. So we get to pay taxes and no one represents us or cares about our problems. The hard assed get elected by saying " Lets just put the junkies in prison and throw away the key".

The people who hate drugs and drug users vote. The weasels running for office know this.



All right .......That is enough ranting for know. Legaliized heroin is only a dream for us junkies. If somehow we could get our shit together and participate in the process we might have a better chance. The republican party loves when people on the low end of the socio-econimic spectrum don't vote........Aaarrrgggh. sorry about the backsliding into more ranting..................... .Pointy


Ps. Please read for content and context. I know my spelling is poor so flaming the spelling isn't going to help. Also for you english majors out there who have a thing for punctuation here is some extras just in case i forgot some. If you find extra uneeded puntuation just put it with theese. ..........,,,,,,,,::;;""??''



Pps. after reading my post it kind of sounds like i have a corn cobb up my ass. I'm just high and this came out kind of stuffy.


THIS IS THE PART OF MR. DUCKFEETS POST THAT GOT ME STARTED


By the way, now is good time to write your representatives, push for legalized heroin maintenance programs for oldline heroin addicts, programs like they have in other countries. I'm going to write Barak Obama about it. As he helped veterans keep their pensions, a while ago, and seems like he's open to newer ideas.[/quote]

[Woods]

A decrim drug is NOT the same thing as a legal drug. It is in fact the enemy of a legal drug as far as all parties are concerned.

First, you generally get rarely enforced criminal penalties for possession removed, and replaced by often enforced civil penalties, because it’s both easier to write a ticket, and more beneficial to the local cops. This may or mar not be the case in any given area.

Secondly, and more importantly, laxer penalties for possession are almost always coupled with harsher penalties for distribution. Most of the harm caused by the drug war comes from the legal pressure placed on the distribution side, not the possession side. Drugs become more expensive, leading to higher crime rates associated with them, and more variable in availability, quality, and purity, leading to an increase in drug overdose related hospital visits and deaths.

[insaneike]

Wow, that'd be a great move, depending...

I think all countries should legalize it to an extent! Like you'd have to be over 21, of course and a Dr. consultation would be required to obtain a license or script or w/e... Like a consultation to make sure you're a responsible user, not a user to be 'kewl', and a good person in general whom can hold a job, afoord all bills and other payments, and not have no criminal record as far as felonies go. Y'know, if you can meet these requirments and shit and not have stuck up ppl to hand out the license and you're not some homeless bummie type junkie dude who does nothing with their life but use junk, you should be able to legaly use, y'know? Just in pharm grade, CONTROLED doses, like you only get a certain amount and if you use it early tuff luck, y'know?

Thats just how I'd like to see it...

Plus the US needs to start using diamorphine medicinaly, DAMNIT!!!! Like for hospital use, like after major surgeries and such... @

But I'd like someone to post some links on this, i'm VERY interested! and I don't think the bill in Mexico got passed, but even if it did it was redicously dumb amounts, for most ppl it wasn't even a full dose. Like a single line of coke... and a Single J and shit. Or a single hit of smack... but still, thats a step!

and in the US, I would never like for drugs to be legalized, aside from pot, as it's not gonna hurt shit(I don't toke anymore either). THough for other drugs, I hope they're never completely legalized to the public here, as we have so many idiots who just wanna do drugs and nothing else in life y'know? The country would go down hill moreso than it is now BY FAR!

Srry, i got way of subject and i'm opiated as hell right now and just gotsta talking...! :p

later

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

insaneike; Why couldnt I be a user just to be cool? how the fuck would you justify your legal usage to the doctor approving your heroin script/license , because of what music you listen to or that you read some bullshit books written by junkies hundred years ago ?

there is more shit you're talking about in your post but see you're stoned and that is a reason it aint Legal because its a mind altering substance and it makes people do fucking stupid shit no matter if it is legal , illegal, decriminalized or someone doing something stupid because he got ripped off by another junkie......



All you people who are for Heroin being legal and think it would work so well..... look at oxycontins, they are just for legit sick people.... so imagine how many fucking people would jump on Heroin if it was prescribed to anyone just because they want to be 'opiated' ....

If they cant control a pain med properly, how would they control recreational Heroin ???? I know set up a junkie island and once you have signed a contract then you can go live there , the US govt could do drop off's off food, laxatives, clothing and HEROIN and needles etc.

the island would be governed by addicts, and police would be addicts.... FUCK man, I would not want to live there.



BTW: about decriminalization etc. , most countries like belarus, latvia, poland etc. had VERY liberal drug laws, basically they had Legal Possession of any drug (without ANY specified amount) as long as it was for personal use , only distribution was penalised but with very funny sentences , and there were laws that you would get into shit if you used infront of a minor or introduced a minor to drugs. ANd what... they all went out of control with junkies being visible everywhere, and spreading aids n shit , because the governments didnt have the social help anymore and drugs became more and more profitable and therefore more people started robbing to get drugs all those governments changed their legislation to a more 'American approach' .....

guess what happened after, they got the junkies off the streets, but theres more drugs there now then before and the quality of the drugs went up... and now you can actually buy cocaine there and they get better heroin then before , meth i think they always had legal and illicit and xtc and the rest of the chemical shit =]

[flipside]

OMG! here we go again. I'm gonna actively not participate on this one.

For anyone interested there is a rant forum created for the sole purpose of ranting while high. No offense anyone, just trying to stop another threads from getting derailed.

[alowishus]

Please Bi11i bring back the negative point sys.

How about a online "bitch slap", like your BIO/ID/avatar gets a metaphoric dunce cap or scarlet "A" for a short time frame, a day or two...a week even; something that user can work torward NOT getting, it would be given to you by the peeps here, like X amount of people have to agree on it before it's handed out.

I'm gonna start this as a thread.:p

Fuck it, I'm to lazy. :D :rolleyes:

[Tar_Baby]

insaneike; Why couldnt I be a user just to be cool? how the fuck would you justify your legal usage to the doctor approving your heroin script/license , because of what music you listen to or that you read some bullshit books written by junkies hundred years ago ?

there is more shit you're talking about in your post but see you're stoned and that is a reason it aint Legal because its a mind altering substance and it makes people do fucking stupid shit no matter if it is legal , illegal, decriminalized or someone doing something stupid because he got ripped off by another junkie......



All you people who are for Heroin being legal and think it would work so well..... look at oxycontins, they are just for legit sick people.... so imagine how many fucking people would jump on Heroin if it was prescribed to anyone just because they want to be 'opiated' ....

If they cant control a pain med properly, how would they control recreational Heroin ???? I know set up a junkie island and once you have signed a contract then you can go live there , the US govt could do drop off's off food, laxatives, clothing and HEROIN and needles etc.

the island would be governed by addicts, and police would be addicts.... FUCK man, I would not want to live there.



BTW: about decriminalization etc. , most countries like belarus, latvia, poland etc. had VERY liberal drug laws, basically they had Legal Possession of any drug (without ANY specified amount) as long as it was for personal use , only distribution was penalised but with very funny sentences , and there were laws that you would get into shit if you used infront of a minor or introduced a minor to drugs. ANd what... they all went out of control with junkies being visible everywhere, and spreading aids n shit , because the governments didnt have the social help anymore and drugs became more and more profitable and therefore more people started robbing to get drugs all those governments changed their legislation to a more 'American approach' .....

guess what happened after, they got the junkies off the streets, but theres more drugs there now then before and the quality of the drugs went up... and now you can actually buy cocaine there and they get better heroin then before , meth i think they always had legal and illicit and xtc and the rest of the chemical shit =]

Why shouldnt a grown adult be able to ingest whatever the fuck they want? Even if deadly?
As long as you arent endangering inncoent people, you should be able to to inject whatever the fuck you want..battery acid, heroin, etc etc. Grown adult, your body, your mind..

[Tar_Baby]

Fuck society and the greater good anyway.

[Papa Verine]

We DO have Methadone maint. here. I think it would be difficult to convince lawmakers that we aren't satisfied with methadone and that we need H. I don't know. Anyway, what would happen is that some stupid people would OD and the media would make a big deal out of how someone died on their "legal" H.

In Chicago last night Fox news made a big story about Salvia divinorum. They made this big deal about the legal drug that's stronger than LSD kids are buying off the internet. It won't be long before they fuck up everything for us.

[Papa Verine]

We DO have Methadone maint. here. I think it would be difficult to convince lawmakers that we aren't satisfied with methadone and that we need H. I don't know. Anyway, what would happen is that some stupid people would OD and the media would make a big deal out of how someone died on their "legal" H.

In Chicago last night Fox news made a big story about Salvia divinorum. They made this big deal about the legal drug that's stronger than LSD kids are buying off the internet. It won't be long before they fuck up everything for us.

[SpecialGuy69]

Why shouldnt a grown adult be able to ingest whatever the fuck they want? Even if deadly?
As long as you arent endangering inncoent people, you should be able to to inject whatever the fuck you want..battery acid, heroin, etc etc. Grown adult, your body, your mind..
My tolerance is so high and my pain is so severe, I prefer battery acid to heroin. I just shoot up about 3cc's of sulfuric, and the pain from putting acid in my veins overrides the pain I feel every day from reading idiotic posts.

Legalize intravenious battery acid now!

---oh btw, I'm not referring to tarbaby. he's cool. I just didn't want anyone to think that because I quoted him that I was referring to him. it aint so.----

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

I just tried to give you an example to see it from another point of view...... you bitch about laws ....... we have nice laws but shit drugs.... or no drugs. like why are they giving me free needles and shit but why cant i go and buy a gram of cocaine ... i would happily even pay twice the american rate but I cant........

in Tajikistan they have plenty of heroin but maybe the guy up the road from wher he can buy heroin by the kilo if he wanted to and had the money is pissed off because he cant get a telephone line and a computer and play chess online, or he cant get cocaine like i cant fucking get it either.......... maybe............ i dont know.

[Karlin]

Legal opiates makes sense to me. Other drugs are another issue for another forum...

As adults responsible for our own health and wellness, we have to be able to decide what substances we put into our body.

That being said, it is difficult to stay within reasonable limits if supply was unlimited. Or maybe I am being too stuffy about that and people would do okay with unlimited amounts? I have friends who would agree with that...

Someone suggested having dispensed amounts and if you use too much [more than your limit], then tough luck for a few days... the withdrawals will bring down your tolerance. Thats good, I like it. Thats the way it works with prescription Morphine.

What isn't good is the way it is now, I.E. "The War on Drugs", and with Doctors having the only legal authority to prescribe drugs, and mostly that translates to "phama drugs are the only drugs we use". I think they would eliminate morphine from that list if they could, and have us all taking anti-depressants etc.

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Portugal: I Googled it and here are some quotes:
"Despite news reports of July 2001, that apparently led many to believe that Portugal had legalised drug consumption, the policy of the Portuguese government remains characterised by prohibitionism. However, the attitude of some of the country’s most important political leaders, including the president, is very open-minded. "
"Current drug legislation is based on a law dating from 1993. Since July 2001, consumption of all drugs has been decriminalised. Currently, there is some discussion going on regarding the opening of consumption rooms. "
http://tinyurl.com/yzbhm3

"Portugal Takes Away Prison as a Penalty for Using Drugs: Narcotics: Even injecting heroin is no longer a crime. Critics fear an influx of foreign addicts."
" "We're trying a sort of third way between the hard approach you have in the United States and the soft approach some countries have, like Holland," said Vitalino Canas, Portugal's drug policy czar. " We are not allowing any legal use of drugs. It's not the same as in Holland."
http://tinyurl.com/ykrjpc
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K - So that kinda takes the shine off Portugal as a place to get Heroin without problems.

Consumption rooms are like Van's Insite, I guess.
They only have to supply the drugs in those rooms to reduce crime... [I say].

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

It would be pretty cool if we had our own little town on the edge of the sea, maybe called opiophileberg or somethin like that. :D



THat would be a good time huh? lol, Opiophileberg, that's freaking funny. We wouldn't get SHIT done cause we'd all be nodding hahaha

[AWOL]

THat would be a good time huh? lol, Opiophileberg, that's freaking funny. We wouldn't get SHIT done cause we'd all be nodding hahaha

hah, true. But it would be the happiest place on earth. Nobody would get upset because we'd all be high 24/7

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

could you drive a motor vehicle while being under the influence of opiates..... i guess so ? Yea or no ?
or maybe no cars, have buses , remote controlled ones that would be controlled by someone responsible . yeah.

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

No, we'd travel in tubes!


or the Subway I guess... But a really sweet opium-den-like subway with mattresses for the floors and pillows everywhere and incense and hookahs. Of course there would have to be a room where we could take care of business.. and a place we could get a drink or food. But then we'd stay there all the time and no one would bother to get a home .. hahaha I'm thinking wayy too much into this.
But it sounds like a sweet deal.. I might just start a thread about Opiophileberg...

[AWOL]

We'd all have scooters (vespa). I think that would be the safest option. Besides ... everyone in Portugal has scooters already anyways.

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

Hahaha, that is a good idea. We'd come up with some great decisions..

[Karlin]

Opiophileberg -
I like it!!! There must be an island somewhere that we could have. We could grow poppies and pot and eat cocanuts. ["we are what we eat"? lol] What a lovely bunch of coconuts we would be...

I think we might get stuff done. When I am maintaining steady I feel pretty good physically, I do stuff. Sometimes I even exersize, if it is warm outside, lol.

Maybe we could do the transportation thing in psycho-nautical ways. gggggg

[MELBURN NIGGUH]

make a legit investment in your homecountry and move to Kyrgyzstan especially the OSH area, that is a fairly stable country but sorta like a mexico of that region , you could have a nice house there and live off your legit investment in america because heroin over there costs not much , around US$1-3 for a gram , its the afghan brown(beige, tan) heroin , heroin #3

[red26]

Driving loaded is no problem as long as you speedball. Its nice to fantasize sometimes about this kinda shit ya know? Those of us that have spent the mojority of our lives caught up in the judicial system tend to do this more often than others. I've wanted to live in Europe since I was a kid and now it just seems like an option, or just the only other option than sitting here fuckin off and getting thrown in jail over and over again.

[nick]

I had legel,free H for 16 years.In that time I commited no crimes and had no health problems,not even an abscess.It's not the drug that's the problem,it's the goddam law.
P.S.Just thought I'd say I could drive here on H script,but the insurance was insane.So it's public transport for Nick.
P.P.S.I forgot about Portugal,it's not legal,but it is decriminalised.So unless you're bust with kilos,they just take your dope away and tell you you've been a very naughty person.

[Karlin]

I had legel,free H for 16 years.In that time I commited no crimes and had no health problems,not even an abscess.It's not the drug that's the problem,it's the goddam law.


Hey wow man, thats very cool. You could be the poster boy for the Insite/harm reduction movement.

But as for the crime, I know its actually very normal to behave well when you have adequate supply of your drug, being a 'good little addict' myself. The only time it even occured to me to rob a pharmac or something was when I was cut off my prescription. Facing certain death-vibes, we do whatever it takes to survive.
I wonder 'when' most drug-score crimes get committed - when the addict/perp is in withdrawals or after regular doses? Withdrawals, I bet.

I am far too much of a nerdy pacifist type, a lack of courage perhaps, to ever do a real crime anyhow.

[Duckfeet]

Hey wow man, thats very cool. You could be the poster boy for the Insite/harm reduction movement.

But as for the crime, I know its actually very normal to behave well when you have adequate supply of your drug, being a 'good little addict' myself. The only time it even occured to me to rob a pharmac or something was when I was cut off my prescription. Facing certain death-vibes, we do whatever it takes to survive.
I wonder 'when' most drug-score crimes get committed - when the addict/perp is in withdrawals or after regular doses? Withdrawals, I bet.

I am far too much of a nerdy pacifist type, a lack of courage perhaps, to ever do a real crime anyhow.

I think it's need driven, unless you are raised in that environment. My dad was in the State Dept., I spent most of my youth in South America, a pretty nice kid, all things considered. After Vietnam I had a heroin habit, and when money ran out, would do more and more bizarre things, things that in *hindsight* don't stand up to much scrutiny. Started out just breaking into houses to steal t.v. sets and such to get a fix, got more involved, in southeast started burglarizing drugstores, it was always for drugs or drug money. Anytime I was off the shit for any period of time I reverted back into nice boy again.

Besides being a periodic junky, I was a lowlife biker until that whole world changed..., and a lot of the girls would come from crappy homes, and were easily manipulated into doing whatever I wanted, too, hustling, dancing, prostitution, and I ended up that life a long time. there's no way to make it right. I don't try to romanticize that shit, either. I went to prison once, and have gotten busted many more times. Most of the girls in that life got old really quick, lucky in their thirties to be to be working day barmaid in a topless bar...It's a messy ugly life...and a lot of the stuff I pulled seems like "not me," and unbelievable, now I'm a pretty nice fellow again...but, I know what it was like, and there's no making it right.

My ex, who used to dance, and turn tricks, just got out last year, from a woman's prison in Louisiana...I haven't written her in a while, it was like her *fifth* hitch, on parole violations. she went from crappy youth, her father killed in a barroom, to reform school, to manipulatve bastards like me, and never any kind of ticket out of that life. and she was a sweet beautiful girl, but didn't end up that way...

It's not a good life, junky life in U.S. is bad one, only in hindsight, makes for a few stories, but it's mostly wasteland. My cousin Scotty, I used to play in the sprinklers with when I was a little kid, died of AIDS. Most of the friends I ran with died or came to otherwise bad ends. Certainly nothing like t.v.

I'm the only one I know, seem to have found escape route, and who knows how long that will last...I think it's just I spent a lot of years when young swimming, and hunting and fishing, reading books, shit like that, so I had stuff I could escape to...

I'm kicking right now, easy to get all down on life and past, no sweat...

[nick]

I think it's need driven, unless you are raised in that environment. My dad was in the State Dept., I spent most of my youth in South America, a pretty nice kid, all things considered. After Vietnam I had a heroin habit, and when money ran out, would do more and more bizarre things, things that in *hindsight* don't stand up to much scrutiny. Started out just breaking into houses to steal t.v. sets and such to get a fix, got more involved, in southeast started burglarizing drugstores, it was always for drugs or drug money. Anytime I was off the shit for any period of time I reverted back into nice boy again.

Besides being a periodic junky, I was a lowlife biker until that whole world changed..., and a lot of the girls would come from crappy homes, and were easily manipulated into doing whatever I wanted, too, hustling, dancing, prostitution, and I ended up that life a long time. there's no way to make it right. I don't try to romanticize that shit, either. I went to prison once, and have gotten busted many more times. Most of the girls in that life got old really quick, lucky in their thirties to be to be working day barmaid in a topless bar...It's a messy ugly life...and a lot of the stuff I pulled seems like "not me," and unbelievable, now I'm a pretty nice fellow again...but, I know what it was like, and there's no making it right.

My ex, who used to dance, and turn tricks, just got out last year, from a woman's prison in Louisiana...I haven't written her in a while, it was like her *fifth* hitch, on parole violations. she went from crappy youth, her father killed in a barroom, to reform school, to manipulatve bastards like me, and never any kind of ticket out of that life. and she was a sweet beautiful girl, but didn't end up that way...

It's not a good life, junky life in U.S. is bad one, only in hindsight, makes for a few stories, but it's mostly wasteland. My cousin Scotty, I used to play in the sprinklers with when I was a little kid, died of AIDS. Most of the friends I ran with died or came to otherwise bad ends. Certainly nothing like t.v.

I'm the only one I know, seem to have found escape route, and who knows how long that will last...I think it's just I spent a lot of years when young swimming, and hunting and fishing, reading books, shit like that, so I had stuff I could escape to...

I'm kicking right now, easy to get all down on life and past, no sweat...
Only another few hours to go bro.
P.S.Karlin,I'm already spreading the word about diamorphine,was doing my rap in Oakland last week and it's off to warsaw in March for the international harm reduction conference.Sadly,I doubt it makes any difference,but I got to try.Right?

[Duckfeet]

Only another few hours to go bro.
P.S.Karlin,I'm already spreading the word about diamorphine,was doing my rap in Oakland last week and it's off to warsaw in March for the international harm reduction conference.Sadly,I doubt it makes any difference,but I got to try.Right?

I always hope. It seems like such a solution to such a major problem. And Mexico is going up in flames, I mean, it's mostly drug cartels just wield so much power and weaponry down there. Mexico City, Oaxaca, both under seige...man this has never happened.

Anyway, glad u try, Nick. I always sort of keep my ears peeled, just in case some University here gets permission to do some kind of clinical trials w/diamorphine, like they've done with other things. And Mexico tried to decriminalize possesion, until our prez jumped in....I mean, climate--politically, anyway--reminds me strongly of right before we pulled out of Vietnam, with younger generation totally disallusioned with old farts political ways, and that was time when drugs were part of culture--late sixties, early seventies--and everything changed, so I can't but hope that our final downfall in Iraq will include some positive changes politically on our opiate use prohibition...we'll see.

And yeah, when 9 a.m. comes around I'll be down at docs office, should get script for subs, should be o.k.

[vaxn8]

Please Bi11i bring back the negative point sys.

How about a online "bitch slap",

Ya got my VOTE on this Alow!! I like this idea LOTS!

My tolerance is so high and my pain is so severe, I prefer battery acid to heroin.

Oh ya? Well my pain is always a 14 out of 10 so i shoot a mix of gasoline and bleach

I had legel,free H for 16 years.In that time I commited no crimes and had no health problems,not even an abscess.It's not the drug that's the problem,it's the goddam law.

What did it take for England to "get this"?? What made them legalize it whenever they made that choice? It was brilliant by the way, and i would bet there are more like you than people who are in the opposite shape (robbing, sick, ect.)

P.S.Karlin,I'm already spreading the word about diamorphine,was doing my rap in Oakland last week and it's off to warsaw in March for the international harm reduction conference.Sadly,I doubt it makes any difference,but I got to try.Right?

Nick- did you get much of an idea of how the CA or US people took what you were saying? CA is pretty liberal, and I would think that is one place where they may legalize, or at least the most likely place to legalize. It's the people out here on this coast that really need to hear your story- the morons in DC who have no concept of what this would do to the using population, or even how it could affect the non-users (safer neighborhoods, ect.).

[Narkotikon]

I vote for San Francisco-like Trolly Cars, because can't they be run automatically on tracks or something like that? Plus we could pay for the energy by allowing pharmaceutical companies to advertise on their sides, like they do metro busses. Each trolly could have a different drug, like one for dilaudid, another for oxy, one for morph. And maybe we could even call them something like Trolly D, or Trolly O, or Trolly M.

Anyway, yeah, I agree with legalizing at least some form of OTC opiate. I just realized this past afternoon that if I lived in Canada, I wouldn't have to worry about w/d. I mean, I'd just go into a pharmacy and get a bunch of Tylenol 1's and do a CWE. Surely not the best, but certainly better than nothing. It just sucks here in the states. I can see how legalized cocaine or meth or acid might be a problem, but opiates? I mean, when you're pretty much addicted to them, it's not like you can actually function without them. You NEED them to function. To have anyone tell me that what I need to function they way they want me to is illegal and immoral is just baffling to me. I don't understand it. I guess we have methadone and suboxone now, but those still have drawbacks. It would just be so easy to go to CVS or Wallgreens and get something, anything. I doen't even have to be morphine or a stronger opaite. It could be freaking hydrocodone for all I care. But just something.

[doctor diesel]

In the UK diacetylmorphine is used medicinally; it's completely stupid to ignore its value as a power pain reliever in the hands of medically trained people. Bush's regime really are a complete bunch of phoney arsehole wankers. I've even had a visiting GP give me an IM jab of diacetyl to curb my migraine pain.
It didn't though, probably because I've got a tolerance and he gave me a homeopathic dose.

Doc D.

[vaxn8]

Diesel- that is just so wild to hear about being a US citizen, i can't imagine how cool that would be to go to a doc and get a shot of pure H, that just blows my mind!

[nick]

Ya got my VOTE on this Alow!! I like this idea LOTS!



Oh ya? Well my pain is always a 14 out of 10 so i shoot a mix of gasoline and bleach



What did it take for England to "get this"?? What made them legalize it whenever they made that choice? It was brilliant by the way, and i would bet there are more like you than people who are in the opposite shape (robbing, sick, ect.)



Nick- did you get much of an idea of how the CA or US people took what you were saying? CA is pretty liberal, and I would think that is one place where they may legalize, or at least the most likely place to legalize. It's the people out here on this coast that really need to hear your story- the morons in DC who have no concept of what this would do to the using population, or even how it could affect the non-users (safer neighborhoods, ect.).
First things first,Glad your back in one piece Vax.You were missed.
The system with diamorphine is known internationaly as the British system.It's a hangover from liberal 50's-60's prescribing.Please don't think the streets of the UK are paved with junk,sadly they are not.
I was one of 500 diamorphine addicts out of 180,000 in treatment.There is supposed to be an increase to 5,000 diamorphine addicts,but the political will is lacking.Which is where I come in,after all these years I know all the pro's and con's of diamorphine rxing.So I preach it's virtues.I guess you could say I'm a diamorphine evangelist.
The good folks in Calafornia dug what I had to say,but these guys were mostly ex users or current users.So I was preaching to the converted.One positive thing to come out of the trip is I now have many contacts in the US involved with harm redution.So with a bit of luck I maybe able to offer practical help to fellow opiophiles in hard times.
P.S. outside of treating lucky addicts the only time you see diamorphine used in the UK is in terminal cancer.

[vaxn8]

Wow, so am i reading this right, there are 180, 000 heroin addicts in england and out of that only 500 got the treatment? What did you have to do to be in the lucky group, was it random or how did they decide?

[devilsdrug]

damn df u and i ran paralell forever

[nick]

Wow, so am i reading this right, there are 180, 000 heroin addicts in england and out of that only 500 got the treatment? What did you have to do to be in the lucky group, was it random or how did they decide?
You're reading right Vax.What I did was get lucky.It didn't hurt that I'm a nice, middle class,white boy.

[vaxn8]

Wow again, (I'm easily amazed this AM) that is only like 0.277% of the addicts that got a chance, you've got one hell of an angel or something watching over you!

[nick]

Everyone gets lucky eventually.I guess it was my turn.In all seriousness I know I was very,very lucky.All my dope homeboys are dead,dying,in jail or been in jailGoddam prohibition sucks.

[abelhas]

does anyone have info about the current drug laws in portugal?
i am here, and have read that all drugs were decriminalised in 2001... but everyone seems to think it is all criminal again now...
i'd certainly like to know the present state of play here...

[nick]

You're actually in Portugal and you don't know?Well you could score then go stand outside a police station,looking shifty and see what happens.
Sorry man.that was sarcastic.As far as I know dope is decriminalised in Portugal,but I'll check it out for you.

[Duckfeet]

damn df u and i ran paralell forever

I hear u dd...and there aren't too many of us left, I notice, neither...it ain't for the faint of heart LOL