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jeff
09-06-2012, 04:47 AM
So I've been reading on the internet and the duration of the high for oxycodone/oxymorphone vs heroin opinions seem to go back and forth. I've mostly had the pharms and only done heroin twice, I felt the heroin high was very quick almost like the coke of opiates did I get crap heroin or is that how it is? What do you all think? I'm pretty much trying to figure out whats cheaper for the length of high snorting that is.

hydrophile
09-06-2012, 04:54 AM
Really to be honest theres to many factors at play to answer your question.

As far as half life is concerned i think oxyM or H would e your best bet but that all is dependent on quality of the dope, price you pay per mg for dope as compared to pills, how much you use of each a day, how your body metabolizes all 3 of the drugs indivigually, so its kinda hard to say.

For what its worth i would spend my money on the opana if you arent getting charged a arm and a leg for em. Even the new trfs can be snorted and plugged if you really wanna get all of it, or at least as much as you can that is.

Also if you could get roxis cheap like 30mgs for $10 maybe $15 a piece if your tolly was fairly low you could EASILY get by on those.

Good luck. I hope this helps a little.

Opiofiend
09-06-2012, 04:56 AM
So I've been reading on the internet and the duration of the high for oxycodone/oxymorphone vs heroin opinions seem to go back and forth. I've mostly had the pharms and only done heroin twice, I felt the heroin high was very quick almost like the coke of opiates did I get crap heroin or is that how it is? What do you all think? I'm pretty much trying to figure out whats cheaper for the length of high snorting that is.

if youre strictly going to snort, then H is def the best bang for your buck. As long as its decent quality that is. If you have a small tolerance, I would stick with the pharms as H will raise it quickly. Orally, oxyco is your best bet. Nasally, oxymorph is good too, but is prob the most expensive per high, and can really only be snorted effectively if they are IR. As far as the high lasting, that really depends on you as a person. Ppl metabolize drugs differently. You would have to find out which works best for u

jeff
09-06-2012, 04:58 AM
Oxys are $0.50 a mg around here Opana is about $1 a mg think a bag of H is like $20 but not too sure on that one? I'm pretty much wondering if the super short duration I experienced was bad H or that is normal? I felt like I had to do a line every hour to feel the euphoric effects.

Nagelfar
09-06-2012, 05:10 AM
Heroin should last a good while. Dilaudid has a short duration and is the one I've heard called "the coke of opiates", definitely not heroin. Heroin is known for "legs" before being known for a short duration.

Opiofiend
09-06-2012, 05:11 AM
Oxys are $0.50 a mg around here Opana is about $1 a mg think a bag of H is like $20 but not too sure on that one? I'm pretty much wondering if the super short duration I experienced was bad H or that is normal? I felt like I had to do a line every hour to feel the euphoric effects.

that is unusual. H should last a good 4-6 hours at a minimum, depending on your tolerance and use. Like I said, it all depends on what works best for you. Any pharm snorted isnt going to last as long as when taken orally, or even H snorted. See what fits your tolly, budget, and body best. In other words, experiment until you can decide. Or say fuck it, and do a litte of each!!

jeff
09-06-2012, 05:24 AM
hmm so maybe it was really weak heroin or I just react different to it? I did have quite a bit of a Opana tolerance at the time was snorting a 40 in one line. I'll test it out again and see I just didn't want to waste my money if it was normal for it to be that short.

The Ryan
09-06-2012, 01:57 PM
I'm pretty sure 100% pure diacetylmorphine has a half life of under 15 minutes.

oxymorphone is 1.3 hours

oxycodone is 3-4.5 hours

The legs from heroin likely come from impurities (3-MAM, 6-MAM, morphine, 3-MAC, 6-MAC, etc.)

If my mind serves me right nick was on heroin maintenence, and switched to morphine because the heroin just wasn't holding him.

Idk, maybe since the heroin almost immediately metabolizes into morphine the legs do go longer than the 15 minutes. morphine has a half life of 2-3 hours.

6-MAM
09-06-2012, 02:09 PM
According to wikipedia...

"Specifically, the apparent extension of the duration of effect of the IR tablets (all other things being equal, oxymorphone has a duration of action of 5 to 8 hours in most patients) versus similar drugs in commonly used immediate-release forms—for example Dilaudid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilaudid) (hydromorphone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydromorphone)), morphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine), Vilan (nicomorphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomorphine)), Paramorfan (dihydromorphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydromorphine)) as well as prodrugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrugs) for this group such as hydrocodone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocodone), nicocodeine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicocodeine), codeine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine), dihydrocodeine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrocodeine) and others—is often attributed to a marginal extended-release effect from various excipients, particularly those that are hydrophilic and form a gel-like substance at the pH levels in the stomach and duodenum.

The duration of action and metabolic half-life of oxymorphone mean that immediate-release tablets are more similar to analgesic preparations of methadone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone), levorphanol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levorphanol), piritramide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piritramide), and existing extended-release forms of morphine, oxycodone, ketobemidone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketobemidone) and so on.

hyguy
09-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Just my 2 cents. The trf opanas snorted last me from 6-12 hours on average. The opana ir10s snorted last about 1-3 hours. Oxyc 30mg ir snorted last about 45 min to 1.5 hours. And black tar h smoked or shot last about 1-2 hours. This is just my personal experience with these drugs. In my opinion if you can find them the best bang for your buck is the trf opana. They can usually be found pretty cheap because nobody wants the trf but they Weill keep you well the longest in my opinion and then I would take any of the others to actually catch a buzz.

Snoops
09-06-2012, 04:04 PM
Im assuming that youre dealing with powder, as you are tootin' it up... And I always found that Powder has/had much shorter legs than the good quality Black you get out here West. If you get good quality that is...

So, I guess I get what you mean when you dubbed H, "the crack of opiates".... But really, quality, quantity, roa and a slew of other factors. I.e. (metabolism, etc.) Are going to have a MAJOR impact on the "experience" of it all.

I love my Oxycodone. Roxies especially. I know that I have referenced OxyC as the "crack" of my opiate world. As I would get on some serious benders when the OG OC's and Roxies were around... Smokin', shootin' and tootin' all at once. Trifecta.

Oxymorphone, awesome shit.... Expensive as FUCK! And a dreadful kick.
I really liked the results of insuflatted OxyM. But the stuff was really hard to find a steady supply of, and as mentioned, quite costly.

Heroin, oh heroin. My first love. My first lesson in hate. The reason I am, and the bane of my existence. Kinda like Amor Fou'... Crazy love, all consuming. Must be respected, and will snatch your soul if youre not careful... Stay with the pharms, but eveneven then. Tread lightly. Seems this thing hasnt fully taken hold of ya, and I strongly advise you try to keep it that way. Long as possible anyhow...

Peace.

chopstix
09-06-2012, 05:19 PM
I'm pretty sure 100% pure diacetylmorphine has a half life of under 15 minutes.

oxymorphone is 1.3 hours

oxycodone is 3-4.5 hours

The legs from heroin likely come from impurities (3-MAM, 6-MAM, morphine, 3-MAC, 6-MAC, etc.)

If my mind serves me right nick was on heroin maintenence, and switched to morphine because the heroin just wasn't holding him.

Idk, maybe since the heroin almost immediately metabolizes into morphine the legs do go longer than the 15 minutes. morphine has a half life of 2-3 hours.

OP got shit dope.

You're close to right, pure heroin has a half life of about 5 minutes, before the acetyl groups are stripped off and it's just plain ol morphine, but morphine that got a very quick ride across the Blood-Brain-Barrier, thanks to those acetyl groups.

If the dope is good, it'll have kick ass legs, just like M does (if you do enough of it).

I've had the kind of dope you can buy in Chaing-Mai or Phnom Phen once. Chalky, chunky, bone-white. Not tan at all, in the fold or in the rig, the shot was crystal clear, and no, it wasn't fent - fent doesn't keep you high for over 12 hours.

I almost went out on about a 16th of a gram. I'd bought an eighth for $40, and had to kick a couple people down, but I kept about half. I did almost all of it, basically was only able to save a rinse for the next morning, when I was still loaded from the first shot; and the cotton was like shooting a decent 20. I've only had a shot of dope THAT strong a couple times in my life.

Point being, *really* good heroin, has KICKASS legs..

Junkhead55
09-06-2012, 05:30 PM
normally heroin cut really hard with fent will only keep you right for like an hour or 2 thats prolly what happened to ya

Matt
09-06-2012, 07:39 PM
I almost went out on about a 16th of a gram. I'd bought an eighth for $40, and had to kick a couple people down, but I kept about half. I did almost all of it, basically was only able to save a rinse for the next morning, when I was still loaded from the first shot; and the cotton was like shooting a decent 20. I've only had a shot of dope THAT strong a couple times in my life.

Point being, *really* good heroin, has KICKASS legs..

Damn, that's some fierce dope. A 16th of a gram? That's a little over half a point (0.0625) so if one unknowingly did their usual 0.2 they'd be in for a big surprise. I haven't had dope that strong in like two years.

The Ryan
09-06-2012, 08:57 PM
Point being, *really* good heroin, has KICKASS legs..

No doubt, I used to get this really nice fluffy looking straight white dope. Man that shit would hold me for like 12 hours, god the rush was just so intense with those bags, only had em a few times, I've had a bunch of different dope with a bunch of different strengths, this stuff was without a doubt twice as good as any stamp id ever had, it was a real golden yellow looking solution, clear but a golden hue to it. Like you said no tan at all just straight white. This was like 6 years ago when i first got strung out, dope has been steady dropping in quality since then, which is why i don't even bother with the dope now days.

I've heard good dope was starting to come back around, but mostly from people without a tolerance, so idk if it really is that good, don't have the 50 bucks it would take to get one decent hit out of it either. I really miss dope, I really miss when dope
would have me nodding out for a good 6 hours straight, well for even longer, the last few times i got some dope it only kept me high for like 30 minutes if that.

I would choose good dope over opana and for sure over oxy any day of the week, but there's no way of guarunteeing your dope will be good, especially if your not copping every day and you are not familiar with the scene, IDK where in the northeast you are but dope is pretty cheap up in jersey and even philly, so you will probably end up spending less on dope starting out. but most people that doesn't last long, cuz it just feels so damn good and your tolly ends up getting jacked up.

Opana is a great drug and lasts a while, but that shit is expensive, in my opinion oxy has shit for legs, it's way overpriced, and i need about 120mg to get a good high.

OxyDieselMan
09-13-2012, 02:37 PM
Good h should hold you the longest oxy doesn't last as long for me and opana is good and decent legs but nothing is better than strong h.

OverDriven
10-15-2012, 10:30 PM
As others said, you got shit dope. And THAT is the problem with dope and the reason I don't even bother with it. Unless you have a connect you can really rely on, you're throwing the dice every time you go score. You might get home and realize you got completely beat. With oxy, I know exactly how much I'm taking, the exact effects and exactly how long it will last. There's no chance of getting beat and no chance of OD.

FWIW, good dope lasts much longer than oxy. The one thing I hate about oxy is that it wears off in 4 hours.