Why Heroin?

[Sumocat]

Here's a question from a non-H user you may not have heard before: Why heroin?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers.

To me, heroin has always been symbolic of the deep end of the addiction pool. The needle is like a measuring stick. I guess in *my* mind..the ability or willingness to self-administer by injection represents the psychological line in the sand between recreation and the point of no return.

So, I'm curious...what led you to it? What went through your mind the first time? Were you 'turned on' to the idea of it by someone else, or did you come to it on your own?

It is, after all, not your average party drug?

My thanks in advance for being willing to entertain the question and, hopefully, share your story.

-Sumo

[Narkotikon]

Here's a question from a non-H user you may not have heard before: Why heroin?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers.

To me, heroin has always been symbolic of the deep end of the addiction pool. The needle is like a measuring stick. I guess in *my* mind..the ability or willingness to self-administer by injection represents the psychological line in the sand between recreation and the point of no return.

So, I'm curious...what led you to it? What went through your mind the first time? Were you 'turned on' to the idea of it by someone else, or did you come to it on your own?

It is, after all, not your average party drug?

My thanks in advance for being willing to entertain the question and, hopefully, share your story.

-Sumo


Because I like guys in eyeliner. J/K. No, really, for me it has to do with both the drug and the subculture. I've always loved that euphoric feeling, and opiates just do it for me. They make me feel like the person I could have been if I hadn't been emotionally scarred by my peers as a child. They just make me feel normal. As to the subculure, if you're talking the stereotype, I'd say because I like dark, moody, creative people. If you're talking about in general, I guess because I'm just like everyone else trying to get through life with the least amount of pain.

[Chemical_Boy]

For me, it was the same reason that people climb mountains- Because it was there.
I'd spent some time with most every other psychoactive substance, other than some really weird, rare, exotic shit that you hardly ever hear about. So it's not like I went out of my way to find or avoid it, but one day it was there and I was like "ok. . .sure". It never had that way-out-there connotation to me like There's drugs and then there's. . . . . .heroin. It was just another notch in the chemical bed post for me.

[alowishus]

Chasing the high, that's it for most of us, those little blue watsons that used to be so wonderful, don't do it anymore so next is OC's then the 80's, then sniff chewing brown, then dilly (if your lucky to find 'em, fuckers, I never do), sniffing H, and the last act w/ the biggest bang for the buck is IV.

I haven't YET, although I don't rule it out, IV that is. Every smart junky knows chasing that high is the worst thing to do but we all, do most of us anyway. It's the fast road to a hard life. Some come out of it after a couple or more (much more) yrs, but will always dabble in it, getting over board now and then. a very small % I think can beat it, but never say FOREVER, shit did I just start a 12 step post:mad: , no that's it I'm done on this one, 12 steps,..... yea to the door so I can go get more gear.:D

[madnesscult]

I never really considered IV heroin as "the deep end of the addiction pool". Heroin was pretty much the first opiate I ever enjoyed, and one of the first ones I tried (other than some vicodins in high school). I was "turned on" by a friend...a friend of mine had a little get-together at her house, but by the time I got there all of the pot had been smoked and the alcohol drunk. I was annoyed that no one saved anything for me, and that I was sitting there the only one sober when a friend offered to give me some of his H. I was 15 at the time, and was somewhat apprehensive thinking of all the things you hear about in DARE (you're going to die, you'll get addicted after trying it once, you'll get HIV etc), but said friend assured me of my safety. So I snorted some, and I can't say that the high was that amazing or that I would have preferred it to marijuana at the time. But then two weeks later I ended up moving in with that friend, and tried it IV for the first time. That experience is what made me fall in love with opiates. It was the most amazing feeling ever...I remember that I was sitting in a chair as he shot me up (at that time I was squeamish of needles), and I had my eyes closed. He asked me "do you feel it yet?" and I opened my eyes and said no. Then a few seconds later I fell off of my chair with the force of the rush.

Anyway, I suppose that was the "point of no return" for me...since I've been doing heroin, other drugs don't really do it for me anymore. Plus, being an IV user has really fucked up my patience...I don't really drink anymore, 'cos it takes too long to get drunk. I want to be fucked up now, not in 15 minutes!

The only time I've done any pharms is when I have run out of heroin/suboxone, so it wasn't a transition for me like it is for many - either out of necessity (tolerence too high) or just desire (want something stronger).

[chemboy7]

I think a better thread question would be why not do Heroin? I can think of only a few reasons and not counting the cutting agents that this "war on drugs" has caused those stem from personal responsibilty/self control issues and social drug stigmas... and aren't very valid. It's obvious that we have all chose the same game to play, some just push it farther than others and some have just not graduated onto better drugs.

I, myself, have never had the pleasure of trying Diacetylmorphine... but that is not without effort. If I had a stamp right now I would put it where it was made to go without so much as a second thought. I think that alot of what people think about Heroin (stigmas) has alot to do with how even other users veiw different drugs. Personally I believe that Methamphetamine and crack/Cocaine are more intrusive drugs than the Opaites (regardless of potency) becuase I have met very few addicts of those drugs to live productive lives while I know alot of people can maintain a normal life while on Opaites... plus the Opaites won't throw your ass into a schizo-type psychosis. It's all based on personal opinion and how the "war on drugs"/"dare commercial" stigmas have influenced them.

In my quest, I like the hardest drugs that hit the fastest; I try not to press limits that I know could be dangerous, but it's all about getting as much of a potent drug acrossed my BBB as soon as possible. Heroin is an ace in the hole for that, and I can assure you that if I could get my hands on anything that would hold a better hit it would be finding it's way into my veins. It's all about getting high, and there are a variety of tolerances/preferences on this site, but we are all walking down the same road. Alot of people think that PCP is the final step in being an all out "druggie"... I think DXM is nastier than the Sherman. It's just another personal preference thing.

Then again, I am the text book description of a Junky, and then some. I just love drugs (not even just intoxicants, I got a hard-on for all drugs in general) and plan on at least trying all there is out there to be had... I'm well on my way too. Heroin still eludes me, I am very curious about how it differs from Hydromorphone (the closest pharm to it I have had). I think the further down the road you get and start noticing that all the hype is majorly blown out of proportion (and alot of it just plain lies) you become more and more tolerant to the idea of climbing up that ladder.

Why do Heroin? Why do whatever Opaite your DOC is? Why drink beer? Because it is an option, that's why. People have been using recreational drugs since before Christ walked the earth. A big part of life is dealing with emotions and realities that are distasteful but must be endured; chemicals give us a way of controlling that and making life just what we want it to be... sometimes more-so. Life is nothing more than cleaver neurochemistry placing us in situations that we have little control of; using drugs to counteract this is like taking the horse by the reins and plowing your own path. I have a hard time believing that more people don't choose to get high. If the option is out there why not jump at it. My brain works for me, not the other way around... I'll be damned if I let some 5 pound lump of grey matter dictate my feelings/emotions/outlook on life. I am the master of my own reality, that is why I use Opaites (and generally every other drug I consume).

[CUBErt]

Without reading everyone else's answers, I'm just gonna go ahead and say:

"Why NOT?"

[alowishus]

I think the further down the road you get and start noticing that all the hype is majorly blown out of proportion (and alot of it just plain lies) you become more and more tolerant to the idea of climbing up that ladder.


Fucking A right brother.

[madnesscult]

Personally I believe that Methamphetamine and crack/Cocaine are more intrusive drugs than the Opaites (regardless of potency) becuase I have met very few addicts of those drugs to live productive lives while I know alot of people can maintain a normal life while on Opaites... plus the Opaites won't throw your ass into a schizo-type psychosis.

Well said. I too think that speed is waaaaaaay worse than any opiate.

[Beautifully_Broken]

call me crazy, but i prefer pharmies to h....might want to check back with me on that in a couple years though:rolleyes:


my mom gave my my first lortab when i was 12 for cramps, and i remember thinking "wow, i finally feel normal now!" that started me on my first opiate bender, ending w/ a trip to detox when i was 18. Didn't touch them for a couple years, durring which i ran the gauntlet of antidepressants, but never could get that "normal" feeling back

I was from the small town south, quite sheltered, had never even seen H till i moved here, first person i found who sold weed just happened to snort dope, and i got curious one night. the progression followed the usual pattern, but after 5 months i was just tired of the lifestyle. I mean it felt great, but i was spending too much money and it was too sedating, i wasnt functional and i was starting to fray at the edges.

so i kicked the h, but i only feel like a complete person when my opiate receptors are being stimulated. On hydroodone, im more organized, productive, stable, happy, and feel like myself, and I'll gladly exchange years off my life to make the years i have the best they can be.

the other day when a drug rep came into the pharmacy, as he started his spchiel i got to thinking. Seratonin deficiency is a multi billion dollar a year industry, the market is litterly flooded w/ antidepressants. a couple of those, like wellbutrin and effexor, even target 2 different chemicals, so pharm companies are starting to accept that more than just seratonin causes depression....but ppl who use opiates because they make them feel normal? no, they're just drug seeking:mad: after trying to detox off effexor last month ive realized that there are far worse detox's than opiates ever dreamed of being:eek:

[AWOL]

I've got to get to sleep, but I hope someone posts about why not to shoot smack. No extra money ... hell, no money period. Fucked up as all shit 24/7. Loosing friends (choosing to loose friends), all of the sudden you only hang out with junkies, and that's only because they use. Not cause they're your actual friends. Withdrawls ,, while you try to work a job and act normal. You can only call in sick so many times before the shit hits the fan. I could go on. Yes, H isn't dangerous like anti drug campaings make it out to be .. but with the right (wrong) circumstances. Too much money, time, and opportunity, and you've got a serrious problem. Some people can apparently do it ,,, I couldn't.

[SpecialGuy69]

because I was out of oxy's.

[alowishus]

What are thoses, a new kind of needle?

[chemboy7]

I've got to get to sleep, but I hope someone posts about why not to shoot smack. No extra money ... hell, no money period. Fucked up as all shit 24/7. Loosing friends (choosing to loose friends), all of the sudden you only hang out with junkies, and that's only because they use. Not cause they're your actual friends. Withdrawls ,, while you try to work a job and act normal. You can only call in sick so many times before the shit hits the fan. I could go on. Yes, H isn't dangerous like anti drug campaings make it out to be .. but with the right (wrong) circumstances. Too much money, time, and opportunity, and you've got a serrious problem. Some people can apparently do it ,,, I couldn't.

You know what's really, really nice? Smoking (actually, the way I light it I vaporize it more than smoke it) fine Avinza powder ontop of a bowl of good pot a little while after you've already fixed up a NICE hit of Morphine. Oh man, talk about bringing back the rush (not as intense as the intial shot, but still... DAMN). It's fucking nice people, I'm liking it alot. So anyways, I was supposed to respond to this; I actually have alot to say on the subject.

I agree with you that all of the above statements that you made about what Heroin, or any Opaite, addiction can cause (money problems, overuse, loosing freinds/jobs, ect.) but these problems are personal responsiblity/self control issues. Using drugs, getting into porn, or doing any sort of addictive activity you are more susceptable to have to battle these demons; having it out with them and coming out ahead is what separates the boys from the men. I don't see that as a reason to abstain from Heroin. I don't advocate any uneducated drug use at all; I think that if one decides that he is going to experiment with any substance that they should do research on the drug they plan on consuming... it's just common sense; atleast it seems like it should be to me. Anyone who has done even alittle research about Heroin or any of the potent Opaite Agonist would be fully aware of this risk and should factor his self control into his decision as to whether or not to ingest said chemical. I think that it is a bad idea for anyone with problems with responsibility or self control at all to mess around with drugs, physically addictive or not, because it will end up becoming a problem with them sooner or later... everyone knows atleast one pothead that does nothing but sit on their ass all day playing video games doing bong hits. This game is all about self control; I have had severe weak points, but all and all I would say that my drug use has strengthened it more than anything. That certainly isn't the case with everyone though, I wouldn't be too suprised if it wasn't for the majority. The best advice with potent Opaites like Heroin, or any drugs, is that if you have a problem with self control stay away from it because it will suck you right in. Conversely someone who is strong enough to control his urges when need be and knows enough about what he is doing can use Heroin, or any other drug, responsibly with little to no reprecussions.

edit - Re-reading your post it look's like the only thing I didn't counterpoint was the withdrawls. Those are a bitch, esspecially when you have something you HAVE to do. I don't really have an answer for that other than plan ahead and have the self control to stick with it (I know, easier said than done), or more likely try to squeeze by with the old Loperamide/Pepto Bismo/Benzodiazepine cocktail. Yeah withdrawls suck, can't argue with that.

[red26]

One day I said to myself " I'm gunna go get some heroin". I had already shot coke so the needle thing didnt scare me but I was afraid of o.d.ing. Just like that I was on heroin.

[magdelena]

http://www.junkylife.com/beautifuldisaster here's why

[Ragdoll]

Because I hurt
I'm bigger than the universe
Because I'm screaming in pain
Because I hurt
Because I'm beautiful
World is all fucked up
Because the world is beautiful but
I'm all fucked up
Because I love so hard
Too god-damned hard
Because I love life so much
All the details are magnificent-
So death can only be better
Since it's the only thing bigger
Because I want a hard metal penis
To stab myself with so I have
My own power over my
own ecstacy so no one else
can have me or own me,
Not even God
So I can belong to myself.
So I can be alone
and never lose another someone
again.

[chemboy7]

Because I hurt
I'm bigger than the universe
Because I'm screaming in pain
Because I hurt
Because I'm beautiful
World is all fucked up
Because the world is beautiful but
I'm all fucked up
Because I love so hard
Too god-damned hard
Because I love life so much
All the details are magnificent-
So death can only be better
Since it's the only thing bigger
Because I want a hard metal penis
To stab myself with so I have
My own power over my
own ecstacy so no one else
can have me or own me,
Not even God
So I can belong to myself.
So I can be alone
and never lose another someone
again.

Hey, that's Kyuss's thing!

[Ragdoll]

Didn't you know that this is The Dead Poet's Society, Chem?

:)

[chemboy7]

Didn't you know that this is The Dead Poet's Society, Chem?

:)

No, no, I understand it; just hard to follow with the eyes while I got my nod on.

[Ragdoll]

I'm sorry. I said it the only way I could get it out. Sweet dreams, Chem.

[chemboy7]

S'all good :cool: I don't plan on sleeping for quite some time though... there are too many drugs to exstinguish.

[nick]

I was going to say,why not too.Thank you Cubert,shouldn't you be doing your homework?(joking bro)
After you've tried H,lets face it,you go back because it works and not much works on this planet.

[flipside]

Because it was there. One shot and I was off to the races. ( um I mean SWIM ha ha V)Like may others I want my fix NOW, that immediate instantenous rush. Even when I'm not ill. Assuming we are talking about IV'ing H and not snorting, for me having gone the way of the needle, snorting is now useless for me,

As for why I stuck with it, like someone else already said, when I have it flowing theough my veins I feel "normal", and as others have said when I don't it's hell.


As for the "subculture" that comes with the teritory that's a mixed blessing/curse

WD's suck and using IS a full time job, now just to keep from getting ill.

Cure: another shot

Is the question why try it or why it's a DOC?

[Powdered Love]

Opiates take away the feeling of wanting to put a bullet between my eyes.

[chemboy7]

I was going to say,why not too.Thank you Cubert,shouldn't you be doing your homework?(joking bro)
After you've tried H,lets face it,you go back because it works and not much works on this planet.

I don't mean to split hairs but I said it before CUBErt, the first sentence in post #6 in this thread, the one directly above his. It doesn't matter anyways, it's true no matter who says it and it's now been confirmed 3 times.

[nick]

I don't mean to split hairs but I said it before CUBErt, the first sentence in post #6 in this thread, the one directly above his. It doesn't matter anyways, it's true no matter who says it and it's now been confirmed 3 times.
I know bro,but I'd been looking for an excuse to tell Cubert to do his homework for ages.This was too good an opportunity to miss and hell yes,we're all correct-which could be a first for me.

[Sumocat]

Thanks for all the replies so far, ya'll! Very interesting.

Flipside asked: why try it or why its a DOC? I guess my question centered more on "why try it", but more in the sense of how it happened.

I totally understand something becoming a drug of choice..just wasn't sure *how* people came across H as their particular DOC.

What I was thinking when I asked this question, basically, is that I"ve seen all sorts of drugs passed around at parties, bars, etc...pills, weed, speed, coke, X....but I've never once encountered H.

So, my assumption was that its probably not something one comes to casually *most* of the time. It seems like a lot of work..but, hey, its probably really *less* work than I'd go through trying to get a script or a hook up!

[CUBErt]

I was going to say,why not too.Thank you Cubert,shouldn't you be doing your homework?(joking bro)
After you've tried H,lets face it,you go back because it works and not much works on this planet.

:p

Homework can wait till later in the weekend. Thursday is my night to unwind, this time though in a non-opioid way

[Narkotikon]

Thanks for all the replies so far, ya'll! Very interesting.

Flipside asked: why try it or why its a DOC? I guess my question centered more on "why try it", but more in the sense of how it happened.

I totally understand something becoming a drug of choice..just wasn't sure *how* people came across H as their particular DOC.

What I was thinking when I asked this question, basically, is that I"ve seen all sorts of drugs passed around at parties, bars, etc...pills, weed, speed, coke, X....but I've never once encountered H.

So, my assumption was that its probably not something one comes to casually *most* of the time. It seems like a lot of work..but, hey, its probably really *less* work than I'd go through trying to get a script or a hook up!

Maybe it's because H is sort of a small-group / personal drug. I mean, at lower doses, it can make you more sociable. But, the majority use enough to nod off, and I think that sort of scares people who aren't familiar with it. They see someone perfectly fine and just nodding, and they think they're dying and call 911. Plus, I just think heroin tends to be more of a cliquish small group or personal drug. It's not like you'd ever see a big room full of people nodding off. That would be great though, but it just doesn't happen.

[jacky]

Id rathet do longer acting opiates than heroin or hydrocodone.
IV heroin and dalaudid feels great, but that rush soon fades a bit. I also find heroin makes me much more nauseas than other opiates, even compared to fent.

give me the long lasting morphine any day. I am DONE doing heroin, though I would be interested in any NOVEL opioids, or maybe some 6MAM.

I quit heroin cause I got sick of the scene, and every time I did it relapsing at the end of my "career" all I wanted to do was puke and sleep, it did not give me energy or euphoria that was useful. I found that aquiring other types of opiates was easier, "safer" and more under the radar overall. I also started realizing that heroin wasnt giving me anymore euphoria than other supposedly less potent opiates. I developed a taste for all sorts of opiates, and my heroin use faded away. Now it has been 5 years since I touched the material, and I dont miss it a bit.

I did have some fun times on the stuff, and heroin creates some effects specifically that I dont regularly experience with most other opiates, some effects like visuals, day dreams that almost seem psychic or remote veiwing in nature, seeing through my eyelids while I am in some sort of trance etc.

I had too many freinds die on the stuff as well, and got sick of going to young peoples funerals, people that die because they were alone, or relapsing, or both, or committing suicide on dope, because of dope. I just dont see that type of desperation in what I am doing now.

[AWOL]

We're all users, nobody is right or wrong on this one obviously. Just that for me, it took over my life entirely. It became bad, I wasn't happy anymore I was in all sorts of trouble and it all started with something I was certain I could control. Everybody's different, but that's what happened to me. I started using to get away from life ,, then all the sudden it flipped and H became life. I wasn't escaping anymore ,,, this was it. This was my life 100%.

Honestly I think the people on these boards don't exactly qualify as the majority of people who shoot H. I mean, we have computers, we have jobs, we have lives. We all know people with any given drug who do exactly as was said earlier and live their lives around the drug. All of the people that I know of that instantly come to mind do not have a working computer, or the internet. I'm not dogging on people who don't have computers or the internet in any way, I hope everyone gets what I'm trying to say here. It's my own personal belief that people on this site are sort of the cream of the crop as far as opiate users go. Especially when considering IV users.

Just being honest here, but when I weigh the ways I've seen IV'ing H has improved peoples lives, vs destroyed them. It swings in favor of destroying them. You are all right though, it is about control. It is about taking responsibility. It is entirely up to the end user. Unfortunately a lot of people turn to it when things get out of control in their lives and that's where I believe the problems arise from. Could I go back to IV'ing and pull it off this time ... yeah probably. But things aren't always on the up-swing for me. When things turn sour, I'm worried about what the consequences could be and I don’t ever want to go down that road again. No matter how good that rush feels.

Also, as Jacky mentioned, I've just seen it go bad for too many people I personally know. It really started to affect me. It can happen with any substance, but it's particularly strong with this one. All I know is that right now I'm honestly doing alright with other means of introducing opiates into my blood stream, and that's working out good enough for me at the moment so that's how I plan on keeping things for a while. I don’t want to go back to how I was at the end. Doesn’t mean that’s necessarily how things would end up ,, but the risk is too big for me. I’ve been there, and I don’t ever want to be there again.

[Ragdoll]

Maybe it's because H is sort of a small-group / personal drug. I mean, at lower doses, it can make you more sociable. But, the majority use enough to nod off, and I think that sort of scares people who aren't familiar with it. They see someone perfectly fine and just nodding, and they think they're dying and call 911. Plus, I just think heroin tends to be more of a cliquish small group or personal drug. It's not like you'd ever see a big room full of people nodding off. That would be great though, but it just doesn't happen.

Narko, I tend to agree. Although, I have been in a room with several people nodding off...the room wasn't very big, though. ;)

[Narkotikon]

Narko, I tend to agree. Although, I have been in a room with several people nodding off...the room wasn't very big, though. ;)


You're lucky :-) I strive to find the party that resembles the one in the video for the Deftones "Change: In the House of Flies." Absolutely everyone is nodding off.

[Ragdoll]

dv, you've said some very thoughtful things, there.

P-Love, here are some balloons for you to make you smile. http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/party/party-smiley-006.gif

[Ragdoll]

You're lucky :-) I strive to find the party that resembles the one in the video for the Deftones "Change: In the House of Flies." Absolutely everyone is nodding off.

Well, I guess you hafta come out here to the west coast. http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-044.gif

[chemboy7]

http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/party/party-smiley-006.gif

http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-044.gif

WTF, I've never seen those smilies before, I even went through the list of emoticons and still didn't see 'em. How'd you do that?

[Narkotikon]

Well, I guess you hafta come out here to the west coast. http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-044.gif

I'd love to visit LA and Seattle and Portland. Actually, I'd love to live in Seattle. I love rainy weather. The furthest west I've ever been was when I was shipped out to rehab in Kansas during 2000 for using coke. It was so flat and boring. I thought I was going to go insane. As far as that video, are you familiar with it? I don't know, there's just something attractive about it to me. Not just the drugs, but the muted colors, the candlelight ambience, the dark and moody people. I'm weird that way though. I've never been a super happy wired person, and those people really usually annoy me. No offece if anyone is like that.

[djnarkotik]

i think the simplest answer is because humans are hedonistic. Our behavoir is guided by the principle of seeking pleasure and minimizing pain. Opiates do this and h does it well apparently.

[nick]

i think the simplest answer is because humans are hedonistic. Our behavoir is guided by the principle of seeking pleasure and minimizing pain. Opiates do this and h does it well apparently.
Ah,the old pleasure principle,don't shout about this because all the anti dope nazis use this to brand us a bunch of immoral fiends.

[Ragdoll]

Ah, and the Buddha also said that the goal of life is to learn "to come joyfully into suffering".

Chem, I'm magic.
Hawhaw - not really, I just have a big collection of gifs. I'm glad you enjoy. http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/tiere/animal-smiley-039.gif

Nark, you'd flip OUT over San Francisco and the entire northern Calif coast, actually. Geezlouise, I sure wish you were closer. Teehee, you probably won't find too many super happy wired people on this forum....

I haven't seen the Deftones vid, but will check youtube at first chance. Thank you - I'm looking forward to seeing it.

~Rags

[Narkotikon]

Ah, and the Buddha also said that the goal of life is to learn "to come joyfully into suffering".

Chem, I have a big collection of gifs. I'm glad you enjoy. http://clicksmilies.com/s0105/tiere/animal-smiley-039.gif

Nark, you'd flip OUT over San Francisco and the entire northern Calif coast, actually. Geezlouise, I sure wish you were closer. Teehee, you probably won't find too many super happy wired people on this forum....

I haven't seen the Deftones vid, but will check youtube at first chance. Thank you - I'm looking forward to seeing it.

~Rags



Thanks for the info, Rags :)

[poonwhalla]

one day my roomate came home with this bitch that was a Go Go dancer that graduated with me and the night before he stuck a dildo in her cunt and 1 in her asss then I bought some china from her... the rest is history

[red26]

i CAN ATTEST TO THAT. POON aint fukkin round. WOW. Jersey is so fukkeed up!?!?!?! Jersey shore livin baby... people just dont git it. From the age of 11 or 12 we start partyin and it just becomes a way of life...fukin beautiful...

[poonwhalla]

tar blows hookers with shit is ugly but nice if you are an evil genious(manasmart)...then they will suck your dick

[red26]

sorry 2a dubba post , but fuk it. Hey man Im loadid and juszt dropped a wizz quzz man. I'm in a bad mood and can give my personal answer to "why Heroin?"
heroin is the best it really can ever git kids.
it makes me feel like I actually can take on the world given the means.
I could really give a fuck less what folks think of me in whatever state I may be in, and that includes my family excluding bones.
I dont nod out on heroin, I nod on meth?, right , what the fuk?
My obtaining purity through opiate inuced coma yielded this: I fukkkin died. plain and simple folks. It really has been sooo many times that I Can count Gods graces!!!! no !!!I shite you not!!!

[Duckfeet]

I don't know. It's never what we think it's gonna be. They had pure skag in these little plastic vials in Vietnam. These guys from New York were smoking it in cigarettes, and I tried it, and got a little nauseous, and thought "this ain't shit."

Off and on over in 'Nam at times, then back in the states I finally got somebody to fix me w/a needle, and even that wasn't life-changing...but I kept at it, then decided to *quit*, then got really sick, and I remember *that* shot, that everloving shot when I was sick and got well. And that's when I understood heroin. All the rest is just mall philosophy. Ask a ghetto kid why he does heroin.

There's a law of thermodynamics which is translated for lames like me: You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game Life is heroin: try it, you'll like it LOL

[red26]

abbbasaa mutha fukkainlootly. The shit I git now is at least 70% clean and amn good at it. gimme da gun ... I'll show ya how its dun.

Totally cool in urban warfare... poon you been cut outta dis fer gud.... It really is amazing how the fukkin government dont know how 2 raise ita children, but the state does>? I'm Pissed. br uthus

[(inaudible screams)]

Never tried the drug -- because I have never been around it. I would try it if I was with someone I trusted or someone who has good dope and knows how to cook it. It's not like I couldn't find it here if I really wanted to...there's probably more h here than anywhere in the US.

Some of us climb the ladder, some of us are already at the top...but we all want to get higher....and the ocs are too damn expensive and they do very little after a nice hit of fent. If h gives me a bigger high than a nice hit of fent, I will completely understand why it is so addicting.

[red26]

Heroin really is the muthu of all muthu fukkas. Within a month or 3 I was in the fukkin ghetto waist deep. Poon you werent ther with Jose an d J. although J was down as BASS. nuthin like cruisin in the low bow, scrapin and BLAB BLAM BLAMBLAM! Yeah you wanna git outt. Fuck , I forgot, why heroin?, not where heroin bring you?"

[greenfox]

Here's a question from a non-H user you may not have heard before: Why heroin?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers.

-Sumo

Ahh.. the question. Heroin, (or the ol' di-acetyl, as I call it,) takes away the pain. Not just the physical pain, but the strife that, for many of us, causes us to "go there". My first time was like my first fuck, (actually I'd take the high from my first sniff over the "high" of fucking anyday, but I digress...) floating in a warm sea of oblivion. When I'm riding that wave, you can come in and smack me in the face- i wouldn't care- i'll laugh and piss on your mom's good china.

That's why heroin.

[madnesscult]

I haven't seen the Deftones vid, but will check youtube at first chance. Thank you - I'm looking forward to seeing it.

~Rags



Here you go:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=niq9DZFum1Q

[Narkotikon]

Here you go:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=niq9DZFum1Q

Thanks Madness! I love that video so much. I hope Rags watches it. :)

[AWOL]

I always thought that was an interesting video for an album titled "white pony"

[Narkotikon]

I always thought that was an interesting video for an album titled "white pony"

I wish I had an all-white My Little Pony :)

[Opiyum]

No, no, I understand it; just hard to follow with the eyes while I got my nod on.


I totally know what you mean even if you were joking. I was asked by a few different people why I wasn't posting as much as I used too and yes some of the reasons are because there has been some stuff going on in my life that has kept me from being here and reading and posting but one of the main reasons is because I started shooting again.
Normally when I get everything together I sit here; in front of my computer, my desk, and cook up.
Upon finishing I normally, having already logged on, can't read anything on the screen. Terrible double vision. So, most times, I just lay and stare at the backs of my eyelids while enjoying the wonderful melodies and rythyms that so gracefully escape through the plastic mesh covering the speakers.
I wouldn't be able to type this very response for example.
So when you see short posts with many spelling and grammatical errors that don't make any sense know...Know very well, my friends, that I am feeling... well not feeling much at all and how great is that?
Conversely if I write something like this that is well said, thought out etc. then know that I am doing....Well...not bad but okay....Which further proves what I talked about in a thread I created entitled the "Old Switcheroo" which describes how I get more done now when on subs and less done when on strong opiates which never was the case.

WHY HEROIN???? As said already and immortilized on the red neon sign that's proped up in the window at a great jazz bar, Dicks Den, "WHY NOT?"

No seriously sometimes peoples' tolerance rises to the point where Heroin is the only thing that does anything for them. Plus there is the price thing. When you realize you can achieve virtually the same effect for say 50$ worth of heroin as compared to a few hundred dollars worth of Oxy...Well that speaks for itself.

Lastly if and when the day comes that you inject some you'll totally understand "Why Heroin?".

[chemboy7]

I totally know what you mean even if you were joking.

Naw, lighthearted maybe but not joking... I get all twisted and come on here and everybodies got these weird ass tiny fonts and 3 word paragraph psuedo-hiakus and it is really hard to follow (or read at all in the case of the fonts) when I am having trouble even keeping my eyes straight.

[Ragdoll]

I totally know what you mean even if you were joking. I was asked by a few different people why I wasn't posting as much as I used too and yes some of the reasons are because there has been some stuff going on in my life that has kept me from being here and reading and posting but one of the main reasons is because I started shooting again.
Normally when I get everything together I sit here; in front of my computer, my desk, and cook up.
Upon finishing I normally, having already logged on, can't read anything on the screen. Terrible double vision. So, most times, I just lay and stare at the backs of my eyelids while enjoying the wonderful melodies and rythyms that so gracefully escape through the plastic mesh covering the speakers.
I wouldn't be able to type this very response for example.
So when you see short posts with many spelling and grammatical answers that don't make any sense know...Know very well, my friends, that I am feeling... well not feeling much at all and how great is that?
Conversely if I write something like this that is well said, thought out etc. then know that I am doing....Well...not bad but okay....Which further proves what I talked about in a thread I created entitled the "Old Switcheroo" talking about how I get more done know when on subs and less done when on strong opiates which never was the case.

WHY HEROIN???? As said already and immortilized on the red neon sign that's proped up in the window at a great jazz bar, Dicks Den, "WHY NOT?"

No seriously sometimes peoples' tolerance rises to the point where Heroin is the only thing that does anything for them. Plus there is the price thing. When you realize you can achieve virtually the same effect for say 50$ worth of heroin as compared to a few hundred dollars worth of Oxy...Well that speaks for itself.

Lastly if and when the day comes that you inject some you'll totally understand "Why Heroin?".

Well said, Opi.

[madnesscult]

I totally know what you mean even if you were joking. I was asked by a few different people why I wasn't posting as much as I used too and yes some of the reasons are because there has been some stuff going on in my life that has kept me from being here and reading and posting but one of the main reasons is because I started shooting again.
Normally when I get everything together I sit here; in front of my computer, my desk, and cook up.
Upon finishing I normally, having already logged on, can't read anything on the screen. Terrible double vision. So, most times, I just lay and stare at the backs of my eyelids while enjoying the wonderful melodies and rythyms that so gracefully escape through the plastic mesh covering the speakers.
I wouldn't be able to type this very response for example.
So when you see short posts with many spelling and grammatical errors that don't make any sense know...Know very well, my friends, that I am feeling... well not feeling much at all and how great is that?
Conversely if I write something like this that is well said, thought out etc. then know that I am doing....Well...not bad but okay....Which further proves what I talked about in a thread I created entitled the "Old Switcheroo" which describes how I get more done now when on subs and less done when on strong opiates which never was the case.

WHY HEROIN???? As said already and immortilized on the red neon sign that's proped up in the window at a great jazz bar, Dicks Den, "WHY NOT?"

No seriously sometimes peoples' tolerance rises to the point where Heroin is the only thing that does anything for them. Plus there is the price thing. When you realize you can achieve virtually the same effect for say 50$ worth of heroin as compared to a few hundred dollars worth of Oxy...Well that speaks for itself.

Lastly if and when the day comes that you inject some you'll totally understand "Why Heroin?".

I get the double vision/trouble focusing too, but I've found if I close one eye, it solves the problem. It's funny, I have no problem closing my left eye and reading things, but if I try to close my right eye, it gets uncomfortable after a minute or two.

[chemboy7]

I get the double vision/trouble focusing too, but I've found if I close one eye, it solves the problem. It's funny, I have no problem closing my left eye and reading things, but if I try to close my right eye, it gets uncomfortable after a minute or two.

Hahaha, I do the old one eye too. I was thinking about starting a thread the other day wondering if other's ever have to read/walk around using only one eye. Actually when I'm really high I prefer to have both my eyes completely closed most the time unless I am looking at something. I read so slow with one eye though and then you'll get a little nod and lose which sentence you where on... it can take awhile to get through a thread.

[Opiyum]

yeah done the old one eye while driving down the road so many damn times. That's reallly a terrible situation to be in. Especialy if you have a few hundred miles to go. Normally i just end up pulling over and sleeping.

[remybur12]

I have been using heroin since I was fifteen years old. I started out snorting it and then I shot up my first time and I have never looked back since. I started using drugs because I was interested in different states of mind.

[greenfox]

I have been using heroin since I was fifteen years old. I started out snorting it and then I shot up my first time and I have never looked back since. I started using drugs because I was interested in different states of mind.

15? Im not one to judge but wow that's kinda young. (Im sure I'll solicit a few laughs from this but) I didn't even get drunk until I was 16... my first joint was high school graduation at age 18... H? That was after my ex-fi was on oxy's and her (my) scripts became habbit at 22 or 23...so that puts h...(after the breakup) at 25 I think.

[remybur12]

Yeah its very young. Now I have tried every drug you can imagine. But I always revert back to ol' trusty Heroin

[Ragdoll]

The first time I was drunk was when I was forty. Hated it. Being drunk, that is. Being forty was just fine.

[greenfox]

The first time I was drunk was when I was forty. Hated it. Being drunk, that is. Being forty was just fine.

you're only as old(e) as you think you are! :)

[greenfox]

The first time I was drunk was when I was forty. Hated it. Being drunk, that is. Being forty was just fine.

yeah sweet.. I know have some...POWER! I just added to your rep.. heh .. it was fun AND easy!

[remybur12]

thats very true. the older you feel the older you are. I have only been drunk once and I also hated it.

[Ragdoll]

Deftones vid - Hahaha, looks like my house on a good day, except there are a lot of cats around. No one here has vacuumed in a long time, either. hahahahaha

[AWOL]

I have to admit to the absolute jealousy that rages within me when a lot of you can keep your shit together, and I couldn't. It’s painful not to have that escape. I’ll still chase the dragon every so often, but I get really nervous/sick/worried whenever the H is around. I mean, I really start feeling bad. It's hard to explain what happens. Anything equivelent is too damned hard to come by so the habbit doesn't develop. Really wish I could have stuck to my guns about chipping. Sure the entire week was a waste, but come rolling around Friday and I was so relieved. I lived my life waiting for Friday…. Then of course it turned into everyday and completely out of control …. Sad, so sad. Jealousy is my name.

[greenfox]

I have to admit to the absolute jealousy that rages within me when a lot of you can keep your shit together, and I couldn't. It’s painful not to have that escape. I’ll still chase the dragon every so often, but I get really nervous/sick/worried whenever the H is around. I mean, I really start feeling bad. It's hard to explain what happens. Anything equivelent is too damned hard to come by so the habbit doesn't develop. Really wish I could have stuck to my guns about chipping. Sure the entire week was a waste, but come rolling around Friday and I was so relieved. I lived my life waiting for Friday…. Then of course it turned into everyday and completely out of control …. Sad, so sad. Jealousy is my name.

We've all been there. Back when I had a good H connect, it turned into everyday, then three times a day. I was spending a couple hundred bux a month. You know what that means, don't you?

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/67389/2/istockphoto_67389_eat_money.jpg


to pay for

http://www.police.public.lu/conseils_prevention/campagnes/Anti_Drogues/ressources/Heroin.jpg

So that i MAY BECOME...

http://www.lifelinepublications.org/images/tst.jpg

[CUBErt]

15? Im not one to judge but wow that's kinda young. (Im sure I'll solicit a few laughs from this but) I didn't even get drunk until I was 16... my first joint was high school graduation at age 18... H? That was after my ex-fi was on oxy's and her (my) scripts became habbit at 22 or 23...so that puts h...(after the breakup) at 25 I think.

I didn't get drunk until 16 either. So I had to make up for lost time ;)

When I started using H at just shy of 18 one of the kids with us was still 15. When I look back on it I think, poor little fella never even had a chance

[greenfox]

I didn't get drunk until 16 either. So I had to make up for lost time ;)

When I started using H at just shy of 18 one of the kids with us was still 15. When I look back on it I think, poor little fella never even had a chance


make up for lost time? Heh. ;)

[remybur12]

I love can say with full understanding how much heroin means to me. There will never be a love so strong. An addiction so fulfilled.

[Substance-P-Inhibition]

It is a very fulfilling addiction, because you always get exactly what you expect: the best feeling in the world.

[remybur12]

It's 1000 times better then your first oragasm.

[madnesscult]

I got drunk, smoked pot, and did coke for the first time when I was 14, and then started doing heroin when I was 15. But I didn't get a habit until a year ago.

[greenfox]

It's 1000 times better then your first oragasm.


I think I would said it before.. I would trade my first orgasm for my first iv hit.. any day.. :> :)

[blackdog]

as Sir Edmund Hillery hath said when asked why Mt.Everest?
i believed his answer was....because it's there hah..cubert took my answer hah.

but also more seriously let me answer why...why because of that warm embrace that wrapps it's long warm arm's all round my body, telling me hush little boy close your eyes and sleeptight dont you worrie,lady heron is gonna hold you tight and keep you warm and safe.go to sleep,go to sleep,go to sleep.

[red26]

Its like stepping back into the womb. Like B.D. said, it embraces you. With warm, loving arms of... well you get the point. Addiction is unconditional.

[pinion]

I started young too: Drunk at 11, daily weed and first psychedelics at 14, freebasing coke at 15, heroin at 17 and I had my first habit before I graduated high school..

[Chipper]

My first drug was nicotine. Then pot, then Morphine ampules when I was 16.

Heroin was big taboo. Taboo stuff always got my attention -- that's how I got started.

[Heroine]

Here's a question from a non-H user you may not have heard before: Why heroin?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers.

To me, heroin has always been symbolic of the deep end of the addiction pool. The needle is like a measuring stick. I guess in *my* mind..the ability or willingness to self-administer by injection represents the psychological line in the sand between recreation and the point of no return.

So, I'm curious...what led you to it? What went through your mind the first time? Were you 'turned on' to the idea of it by someone else, or did you come to it on your own?

It is, after all, not your average party drug?

My thanks in advance for being willing to entertain the question and, hopefully, share your story.

-Sumo

Why heroin? Why not? lol j/k....No seriously, I personally always enjoyed (besides the monetary savings it provides compared to the amount and quality of the high you are going to get).. the intense blasting euphoria and bodily/mental well-being it provides. I myself am not into needles, farthest I ever went was to IM a shots of 50mgs morphine and wow what a ride. I guess I mostly stay away from needles because I have a lot of real-life things to maintain (work, school, etc..) and it is hard enough to get those things done when sick from pharms and a WD from a few bags of dope SNORTED...I can only imagine WD from needle-shot dope. I can't afford to go down that realm. I also know I would love the rush too much and never want to go back to snorting...not to mention I would probably never feel anything else the same again. I just can't afford to be in that situation. I like these things for fun, not to control me the way we all know they can. There is always control since it is an addiction, but you yourself can control the magnitude of it.

Heroin is generally given a bad name due to ignorance and misunderstanding; and the handful of junkies that LIVE for it and nothing else, scumbags, no lives, etc...they get the media attention on purpose done by the media...and that is what will give it the bad name-i.e. that it ends lives, you never get away from it, etc..

I have kicked it more times than anyone should have, simply beacuse the connect dried up or I had no money when I needed it. Heroin is definitely the most fun to me, and that is why I take the risks and do it anyway. The bad balances out with that good wholesome euphoria. I don't know about anyone else, but even Oxy 80s is just an attempt to mimic dope, albeit a wonderfully close match. So, that is what I think. I am in agreement with what a lot of people listed above as their reasons for liking it. Nothing will ever match that high, that feeling for me. Many come close, but none succeed.

[Heroine]

I always wanted to find it, but never got around to it myself. I was introduced by one of my friends who was also into 80s like me, we shared the same connect for 80s, were friends for awhile. So even if I was forced into it, which I wasn't-I sought it out actively with him and CHOSE to do it-I still wouldn't put the blame for my addictions and psychological upsets due to it on anyone else but myself. As I have said so much, bad is always right hand in hand with good, no matter what the subject. It's all part of the ride. I must say my first few times copping, it was quite a paranoid stomach-in-ruins situation. Cops on every corner, and a bad neighborhood as it is-15 shootings in the general area within 3.5 weeks. Ouch!

The first time I did it I was blown away. Usually I can drive through just about any kind of fucked-up but I had to actually park for 20 minutes to regroup. I split a bag with my friend and we each snorted a line. Ever since that, I knew it was going to be a staple in my party bag. What can I say, I just can't feel that goddamn good with anything else.

I wouldn't call it an average party drug though, just because I see the reactions of my own friends. They don't do it really most of them, so they think first mention of dope right away A) you are a needle freak and dirty and B) you are a massive addict and scummy person for some reason..yet the same people will crush up an entire OC 80 and snort it. Go figure! Again what I mean by ignorance/ill-informed.

[Heroine]

Heroin was big taboo. Taboo stuff always got my attention -- that's how I got started.

Ditto-anything being made so taboo with no real concrete reasons why always encourages reading and personal experience, huh...I hear that

[madnesscult]

I wouldn't call it an average party drug though, just because I see the reactions of my own friends. They don't do it really most of them, so they think first mention of dope right away A) you are a needle freak and dirty and B) you are a massive addict and scummy person for some reason..yet the same people will crush up an entire OC 80 and snort it. Go figure! Again what I mean by ignorance/ill-informed.

A friend of mine's roommate has similar views...he uses heroin himself, and has a habit (though refuses to admit it). He believes that because he smokes it he won't get addicted as easily, and only IV users are "junkys". Seriously, he'll sit there and talk shit about IV users, about how they're the real junkys, then smoke some H himself so as not to get sick. Soooo stupid. And he'll freak out if he finds out anyone was shooting in the house. It sucks when I go down there to cop, because I'll have to do my business in the car, which I really don't like doing, and not only because it's terribly exposed.

[CUBErt]

A friend of mine's roommate has similar views...he uses heroin himself, and has a habit (though refuses to admit it). He believes that because he smokes it he won't get addicted as easily, and only IV users are "junkys". Seriously, he'll sit there and talk shit about IV users, about how they're the real junkys, then smoke some H himself so as not to get sick. Soooo stupid. And he'll freak out if he finds out anyone was shooting in the house. It sucks when I go down there to cop, because I'll have to do my business in the car, which I really don't like doing, and not only because it's terribly exposed.

I'm a smoker myself, along with alot of other people in the scene in my area, and I have also heard that statement that junky means specifically IV users. I have seen plenty of people become just as regular/dependent users (including myself) from smoking. I never talk shit about IV users though, there's no point in further alienating yourself from people, especially within your already demonized social demographic. And I would never send people out of a house who are shooting, unless for some reason other people are coming home who can't know about it and the person has been trying to find a vein for 45 minutes. But really, if the cops came and they see heroin on tinfoil or heroin in a rig you're still going to jail either way. And sending a person out to the car or something just increases the likelihood that they get busted and could thus fuck you over as well. Doesn't make sense to me, junkies have enough stigma from society as a whole that theres no need to argue among each other about who is more dirty or whose route of ingestion makes them superior on whatever grounds. United We Stand! (or maybe we don't stand cuz everyone's too fucked up)

[Papa Verine]

A friend of mine's roommate has similar views...he uses heroin himself, and has a habit (though refuses to admit it). He believes that because he smokes it he won't get addicted as easily, and only IV users are "junkys". Seriously, he'll sit there and talk shit about IV users, about how they're the real junkys, then smoke some H himself so as not to get sick. Soooo stupid. And he'll freak out if he finds out anyone was shooting in the house. It sucks when I go down there to cop, because I'll have to do my business in the car, which I really don't like doing, and not only because it's terribly exposed.

I think some people feel insecure about themselves and the only way they can feel some self respect or self esteem is to criticize others. This guy feels guilty inside because he's a heroin addict and dwells on IV users to make himself feel better about what he's doing.

It's fuckin' pathetic actually.

[madnesscult]

I'm a smoker myself, along with alot of other people in the scene in my area, and I have also heard that statement that junky means specifically IV users. I have seen plenty of people become just as regular/dependent users (including myself) from smoking. I never talk shit about IV users though, there's no point in further alienating yourself from people, especially within your already demonized social demographic. And I would never send people out of a house who are shooting, unless for some reason other people are coming home who can't know about it and the person has been trying to find a vein for 45 minutes. But really, if the cops came and they see heroin on tinfoil or heroin in a rig you're still going to jail either way. And sending a person out to the car or something just increases the likelihood that they get busted and could thus fuck you over as well. Doesn't make sense to me, junkies have enough stigma from society as a whole that theres no need to argue among each other about who is more dirty or whose route of ingestion makes them superior on whatever grounds. United We Stand! (or maybe we don't stand cuz everyone's too fucked up)

Yeah, it's stupid. While I'm pretty discreet when shooting in the car, but it's still risky. It's even worse at night, since it looks shady as hell to be sitting in your car with the dome light on for like 10 minutes. There's no one there that isn't supposed to know about the drugs, and it's not like I would be sitting there shooting in front of him, I'd be doing it in the bathroom since he's uncomfortable with it.
But yeah, I totally agree with the unity thing.

I think some people feel insecure about themselves and the only way they can feel some self respect or self esteem is to criticize others. This guy feels guilty inside because he's a heroin addict and dwells on IV users to make himself feel better about what he's doing.

It's fuckin' pathetic actually.

That's exactly what's going on. He tells himself that he's not a junky because he smokes, and that he's so much better than IV users. Plus, he's completely in denial about the fact that he's addicted...when he gets dopesick, I think he tells himself that he's got the flu or something.

[kidding]

Addiction is unconditional.


That makes sense on so many different levels