The Wire.....

[vaxn8]

OK fellow philes of opi's-ville: we can't call ourselves true opiophiles and not have a current discussion about the new season of The Wire! Even accounting for my bias due to living in the area where they film it, it has to be one of the best (if not THE best) show on TV at the moment.

So, while I am going to finish a few things and get my ass outta this hood and get home, start talking!!!

I think there have been threads about the show in general in the past, but we need a current one for the new season. If anyone needs to catch up, they're only up to about the 5th slow of season 4. It's available if you have "on demand". If you've never seen it, I highly recommend it!



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[CUBErt]

Don't have HBO. This show sounds really cool though. It would be nice to have a show to follow again (besides South Park but thats not really sequential)

[nick]

The new season is arriving soon in the UK and that's real good news.My fav along with 6 feet under.

[jerzyjunk]

wow that show isnt that acurate bout balamore at all.not fer nuthin but your crime stats are not even in the top 5. they make it seem like its camden or detroit or newark.Its a beutiful city yea theres crack and dope but not on every corner.Not to metion the dealers are the nicest in bmore than anywhere, let me fix in his hallway while he guarded the outside and he didnt even except the dollar i tried to give him.that show iz tha worse depiction of bmore.if it wasnt so unrealistic i would watch.yea shit goes down but not even half like they depict.

[flipside]

Actually jerz, It was my hometown for 30+ years,I still go home every couple of months and am in the same hoods you see on the show and it is a realisitic depiction for the most part.

B-more is not a nice city. Hell when leaving the hospital at night I had to have a security gaurd walk me to my car B/C of all the rapes in the employee garage.

Not to mention the second you venture two blocks away from the Inner Harbor you are taking your life into your hands. And it's everywhee, I was raised in an affluent neighborhood where my Mom and grown son's still live and Crack and H are as readiily available as downtown in the hood, mabey a little more discreet but there nonetheless, along with it comes the violent crime.

At one point Hopkins did a study that found that the leading cause of death in children under the age of 5 was accidental shooting ( as in drive by) they are the regional pediatric trauma center and declared it an epidemic.

Watch what they are doing with the schools this season, it's quite accurate. Have to run the kiddies to school, but will check back on this thread later.

Oh by the way, we went from being know as the City that reads to "The City that Breeds", The H capitol ( more H users per capita than any other city, and "Murder City" Not my slogan's but national image.

Also remeber we would have amuch higher murder rate if it were not for the Reginal Shock truam Center at U of MD where I spent 20 years as a nurse in recieving where the copter's land.

I have a link to an article called Baltimore tries to clean up it;s image" if you are interested. It's more like cover up to me.

Don't get me wrong there are beautiful parts ofthe City, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Quickly let me add, that having spent many years as a victim advocate in the State's Attorney's office wokring with surviving family member's of Homicide, as well as responding to crime scenes to do death notidfication, it's as bad as it seems.

True, statistically it may not be as bad as other places, it's a nice place to visit, but not to live. esp. if you are in the same socio-econimic position as most of the character's portrayed here are.

One thing they do not show is the amount of police brutality that goes on.

I suppose I could be jaded, but it's being a born and bred Baltimorian that's made me that way.

[devilsdrug]

i think its the best show currrently on tv havnt keep up on it lately though damn busy, i had a long time girlfriend from there shit she was way street savvy ahead of her young age junkie, stripper ect long before she was of age , and she was from a wealthy family high up navy mucky mucks, any way she came west and i did hear lots of stories of baltimore

[flipside]

When I got back from taking the kiddies to school, I find my 18 year old daughter reading this thread, her comment "It;s not on every corner?? Has he ever been ther, has he ever seen the movie The Corner, tell him to check it out".

Having said that , i missed that comment it is indeed on almost every corner, they even have a name for it, we don't have gang's we have "corner boys". All hawking and selling thier wares, each with a name more ridiculous than the next like Bad boys, Dizzies, Triple X, ect, and my all time fave Body bag, now that was some good dope.

[flipside]

i think its the best show currrently on tv havnt keep up on it lately though damn busy, i had a long time girlfriend from there shit she was way street savvy ahead of her young age junkie, stripper ect long before she was of age , and she was from a wealthy family high up navy mucky mucks, any way she came west and i did hear lots of stories of baltimore


An Annapolis girl on The Block, surely you jest DD. LOL

[vaxn8]

wow that show isnt that acurate bout balamore at all.

You obviously have not lived or worked in this area.........

Crime
City Crime Rankings (12th Edition) ranks Baltimore second only to Detroit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit) among the most dangerous American cities over 500,000 in population.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-0) According to crime statistics there were 269 murders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder) in Baltimore in 2005,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-1) giving it the highest murder rate per 100,000 of all U.S. cities of 250,000 or more population. [1] (http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05r.pdf) Though this is significantly lower than the record-high 353 murders in 1993, the murder rate in Baltimore is nearly seven times the national rate, six times the rate of New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), and three times the rate of Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles%2C_California). The city is frequently referred to as "Bodymore, Murderland" because of this.
In addition, other categories of crime in Baltimore have also been declining, although overall crime rates are still high compared to the national average. The rate of forcible rapes has fallen below the national average in recent years; however, Baltimore still has much higher-than-average rates of aggravated assault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault), burglary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burglary), robbery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery), and theft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-2) and a local news survey, though unscientific, recorded that over 75% of respondents felt that Baltimore City is no safer.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-3)
Though the crime situation in Baltimore is considered one of the worst in the nation, city officials have pointed out that most violent crimes, particularly murders, are committed by people who know their victims and who are often associated with the illegal drug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug) trade.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-4)
City officials have, however, come under scrutiny from Maryland legislators regarding the veracity of crime statistics reported by the Baltimore City Police Department.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-5) For 2003 the FBI identified irregularities in the number of rapes reported, which was confirmed by the Mayor. 2005's murder numbers appear to exhibit discrepancies as well[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-6) The former Commissioner of Police states upon interview that the administration suppressed corrections of its reported crime.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-7) However, many of these charges seem to be, at least partially, politically motivated.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-8) Nonetheless, experts indicate that the city's reporting practices should raise eyebrows and call for an independent audit, with which the administration has not cooperated, despite requests from members of City Council and the City's auditor.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-9) While racial disparities in arrest and incarceration rates exist in Baltimore, both young white and black men in the city are arrested and incarcerated at relatively high rates. One in five young black males is in prison, in jail, or under correctional supervision.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-10) Of the roughly 100,000 arrests each year in this city of 635,000, about a quarter do not merit charging and another quarter do not merit prosecution. The ACLU has filed a suit in respect of systematic civil rights abuses by the current administration.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-11)
Criminal intimidation has also been reported as a problem in the city.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-12) In an infamous case, community activist Angela Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Dawson) and her family were murdered by firebomb in their Baltimore home on October 16 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_16), 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002), in retaliation for Dawson's reporting of criminal activity. In a separate incident, another public safety activist, Edna McAbier, was also targeted.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-13) Though she survived, she has fled her neighborhood, where she cannot be protected by city police.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-14) In 2005, 3 men were sentenced to life in prison for their involvement in the latter case.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore,_Maryland#_note-15) One of these men had appeared in the infamous video Stop Snitchin' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin%27), a homemade DVD produced by local drug dealers threatening fellow dealers who failed to adhere to a street based code of ethics and became informants.

[SpecialGuy69]

Thanks for stickin up, Vax- I'm originally from baltimore, too. I live in Northern Virginia now, and I drive right past DC to go to b-more to cop. An extra 1 hour when your dopesick is huge (and sometimes, with traffic, it's closer to 2) and I would cop in dc if I knew a spot where I could get shit that even comes close to baltimore. I'm sure it's out there in DC somewhere.

Baltimore is a port city, plenty of raw comes in there. Compared to DC, the dope is browner, cleaner, stronger, the bags are bigger, and it comes in these cool glass vials, too.

[vaxn8]

^it just seemed like a really odd comment to me. The show is very good about realism or at least what I see in the area I visit. Of course they have their weird tv exaggerations and they say they're always west side though they film in the east. Either way, it wasn't really the point of this thread to argue over who has the biggest baddest city, it's for people who are watching the show to talk about it.

You don't even have to be from here to have heard about what a mess the public schools are right now. Even Oprah is talking about it telling people what the situation is like. I've run into this brother and sister while riding the train home twice. The first time, they were asking everyone on the train if they could have some food. This was after 10 PM and the kids weren't much over 3' 6" and looked really young. I had a soft taco that i was taking home and gave it to them so they sat in the seat in front of me to share it. They were talking about how their mom sent them out to get dinner, that is what they were doing on the train. I saw them once a couple of weeks ago, but they were in a different car and seemed to be doing the same thing. Everytime I think about them, I just wonder how they are going to turn out after being raised like that. That is, if they manage to not get kidnapped or worse.

Anyway, last week I really liked how they showed how stupid it was to go after the users who just have a couple of pills on them. I really like what they're doing with the school story line, didnt' think I would like it, but it's been pretty good so far.

[nick]

I'm thousands of miles away in England and even I've heard the stories about bodeymore.Back to the point the wire is a damn fine show.

[flipside]

^it just seemed like a really odd comment to me. The show is very good about realism or at least what I see in the area I visit. Of course they have their weird tv exaggerations and they say they're always west side though they film in the east. Either way, it wasn't really the point of this thread to argue over who has the biggest baddest city, it's for people who are watching the show to talk about it.

You don't even have to be from here to have heard about what a mess the public schools are right now. Even Oprah is talking about it telling people what the situation is like. I've run into this brother and sister while riding the train home twice. The first time, they were asking everyone on the train if they could have some food. This was after 10 PM and the kids weren't much over 3' 6" and looked really young. I had a soft taco that i was taking home and gave it to them so they sat in the seat in front of me to share it. They were talking about how their mom sent them out to get dinner, that is what they were doing on the train. I saw them once a couple of weeks ago, but they were in a different car and seemed to be doing the same thing. Everytime I think about them, I just wonder how they are going to turn out after being raised like that. That is, if they manage to not get kidnapped or worse.

Anyway, last week I really liked how they showed how stupid it was to go after the users who just have a couple of pills on them. I really like what they're doing with the school story line, didnt' think I would like it, but it's been pretty good so far.

V did you know that Oprah started her carrer as a reporter on WJZ (13)? Then she and Richard Scherr had a talk show called People are Talking. Then Montel srtarted his talk show there, so I guess in that respect we do have a few positives,

Anyway back to the show, I love it, It's crazy how they are going after the users. It's been that way for years, I got popped with one pill and they wanted me to do 18months for a 1st offense, totally clean record, thank god the cops did not show up to testify and the case was thrown out, or my personal fave..."attempt to posess". Sad to think about the kids on the train, but for everyone you see, there are a hundred more, very very sad. As for the school story I think it's totallyacfcurate and also like the direction they are going weith it, you know that's what prompted my move out of there, when my little one went to enroll in K-garten and had to go theouigh a metal detector to get in and this was in the afluent suburbs.

What they don't portray though is the way all us "rich white kids come into town to..Ooops gotta go, my son just called my mom was just rushed into surgery

[Cybershark]

I just love the show VaxN8 and it seems this season they have put so much more character and people into the picture especially the kids aspect of living in a poor messed up neighborhood. Man I sure hope they have another season next year. I have heard they might and then they might not so time will tell.
Thanks for posting on this. I finally got my wife hooked this season lol! ;)

[vaxn8]

They have to do more. That's the one thing I hate about HBO's series, they always end them way too early! Like 6 feet under, that was doing just fine and they ended it, they're doing the same with the Soprano's- stopping way too soon. I can see wanting to stop when you're on top, but they take it to far and stop too early!

I agree, they don't show enough of the white suburban people coming in to cop in the city. Once in awhile they show it, but it's never made into part of the story- maybe i could get a guest spot being the suburban copper!

I really like how the story takes the whole season to evolve. It's not like law and order or other tv shows where the story is pretty much wrapped up in 40 minutes. Here, you have the story going the whole season and it's 5 or 6 story lines going on at once. I really like how they tie the stories together. My favorite season was the one with the Port story and "The Greek", I think it was season 2. I thought 3 was ok, but not their best, the port story was definitely the best to this point. This season may overtake that opinion though.

I really thought the schools was going to be a boring topic, but it's not at all. I love the kids they're using, they're all very believable in their roles. I think the white mayor story is also interesting, and I'm pretty sure we have a white one at the moment! I should really know that living here! I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but isn't it O'Malley at the moment??? You can tell I'm not big on politics!

[SpecialGuy69]

I really like how the story takes the whole season to evolve. It's not like law and order or other tv shows where the story is pretty much wrapped up in 40 minutes. Here, you have the story going the whole season and it's 5 or 6 story lines going on at once. I really like how they tie the stories together. My favorite season was the one with the Port story and "The Greek", I think it was season 2. I thought 3 was ok, but not their best, the port story was definitely the best to this point. This season may overtake that opinion though.

Yeah, vax, I liked the port storyline a lot, too. I have a lot of friends and family that work there, and they were really psyched to see their work on HBO.

We should do a live/realtime thread when the show is airing- a lot of forums do it, post/refresh as the show is airing (most people who have HBO also have Tivo now, so you don't miss much) its kind of interesting like that- the closest we can come to all going to someone's house and watching it on the big screen.

[Opiyum]

my uncle lives in baltimore and shares a little beice of land with a few families on the Chesapeake. I used to go down every summer with pops and my bros to go crabbing an go fishing.
Where we went you would never know of the crime that the city harbors.
I did have a freind who moved there. He only stayed for about a year because of the crime and problems with work.

I dont have HBO but if DD says its the best on TV im going to start downoading it because his advice when it came to Deadwood was spot on.

Suddenly i feel like crying. Fucking deadwood....I wish I never started watching that sometimes.

[flipside]

Okay I just re-watched the last 4 episodes

"lambs to the slaughter" indeed

"Brialliance wasted on the street" no doubt

And my fave

YOU CANNOT TREAT A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT SOLUTION" Kurt Schmoke , former mayor of Baltimore

I love the way they use real characters that actually exist or existed. Yes V you are right about the mayor.

Schmoke was way ahead of his time, he was a great mayor, it was his call for the legalization of drugs that led to his ousting from poltical office and national backlash, I love it that he has played on the show!

One of the actor's said "I think I was the last generaqtion where you had adults raising kids, Now you have kids raising Kids, how much can we expect them to learn?"

I love the politics of it all probably because I worked in victim advocacy and closely with the police ( I was in the SA's office) and it's all so true! If anything it's tame.

The heiarchy of both the drug world and the police are almost identical.

And I absolutely LOVE that they have HUMANIZED these characters. "You root for the bad guys and boo the good guys."

The kids are absolutley believable and incredibly dynamic, I wait each show to see what's gonna play out next.Tavon, Dookie, Michael, Randy.

If they stay true to realism, the kids finding that body and Randy squealing about it to avoid getting in trouble with his foster Mom, some little bodies will fall over that.

That's the other thing, in one season they go from childlike ( mostly) believing the dead bodies are zombies to the veiwing of the body in the boarded up house and basically that's the end of any innocence they had " he dead, just dead. aint no special dead"

As for Davon and his storyline it is so prevalant. Momma's whos. e husbands are in jail for selling being very well taken care of in jail, the Momma literally tells her son it's time to "step up" and take care of the family and puts him on the corner. It's ingrained in the way they think and live, what hope does that child have> If he does not end up dead, or hooked on his own product ( which will then make him useless Dealers have very little regard and mucc disdain for junkies) he'll be in jail for the rest of his life, go in a child and come out a hardended criminal schooled in the best school in the world-prison.

whilst the kids like Dookie literally go without basics like food and water, lights, clothes.

Michael may have a chance if he stays disciplined and true to his character, fighting at the center with his mentor, but Morell has his eye on him and wants to recruit him as a soldier, be interesting to see how that one plays out.

The writers of this show ae brillainant, one is a former Baltimore Sun reporter who covered the political scene in Bmore for years , and also taught in the public school system. The other is a former vetran Homicide detective .

I love the way they pepper humor throughout also, Like when Dobie and his boys are on the corner and they are talking about how cold it is. The one says "It;s not goanna be that cold this winter" Dobie" Why's that" Other " because of Global warming" Bodie" Then whysit so funckin cold already?' The other " Hell man It's because we gettin old"

You can laugh or you can cry. I often do both at the same time. Laugh until it hits me how serious what they just said was. I love this show and probably would even if I was not a native. Hell this could almost be any major city, with the exception of our unique dialect and slang.

[Opiyum]

That settles it......Downloading begins now....

[flipside]

Enjoy O!! And do post your comments please!
Hope it's not another Deadwood for ya.

[Narkotikon]

You know, I don't want to sound like a dork, but I've never heard of this show. Of course I don't have HBO either. I did like Methadonia. I thought that was pretty interesting. So what's this Wire all about?

[SpecialGuy69]

One of the funniest and most telling moments on the show was when D'angelo and a friend were driving up north to pick up weight. They were starting to lose the radio signal from Baltimore, and D's friend thought the radio was broken - he had never even been far enough outside of B-more to know that the radio stations faded.

When I lived in Richmond, VA, I knew many people like that, never left the city in their whole lives, thought everything/everywhere was like it is in the city.

[flipside]

One of the funniest and most telling moments on the show was when D'angelo and a friend were driving up north to pick up weight. They were starting to lose the radio signal from Baltimore, and D's friend thought the radio was broken - he had never even been far enough outside of B-more to know that the radio stations faded.

When I lived in Richmond, VA, I knew many people like that, never left the city in their whole lives, thought everything/everywhere was like it is in the city.


True that.. I believe the coment was " what kind of Leave it to Beaver land you taking me to?" Oh wait an island

Nark google THE WIRE HBO and see if that yeilds you anything, it should.

[Opiyum]

I had to pause the first episode right now just tosay...Fuckin' Snot Boogey. Gotta love it!

[flipside]

I had to pause the first episode right now just tosay...Fuckin' Snot Boogey. Gotta love it!


So did you see all the episodes yet? The actors need a dictionary of slang to translate what the hell their talking about. Gotta love it indeed!

[Opiyum]

I just finished the first episode. Its good for sure and has a lot of potential. This Avon fella seems as though hes not going to last very long. I dont yet know what his backstory is but something tells me his position on the streets was handed tohim and he isnt going to be able to cut it.
So far at least i havent had trouble translating. Pittsburgh isnt far and Ive spent alot of time in Baltimore so Im on the level with that. Most of them talk the same way i do anyhow.

[remybur12]

I wish I had HBO what is the show about?

[Opiyum]

Youve been asking questions like this alot. Most things talked about on this website are about drugs. Almost everything in fact. We are a large group of junkies. We shoot heroin we smoke dust we shove morphine up our asses and walk the streets with cherry flavored blunts in our mouths. We dont mind eating handfulls of Kpins with our Oxycodone and we all like to fuck prostitutes.
Just want to make sure you understand where you are that way you dont have to ask what The Wire or Traispotting is about.
I gotta ask did you read the thread? Cause if you really want to know the answer to your question thats what this whole damn thread is about. Or do you just want people to talk to you? Either way i dont give a fuck....chances are you wont be here in a month.

[remybur12]

The reason I don't watch T.V or movies is because I don't have a T.V or dvd player. And I joined this forum because I wanted to help others on a better way to use drugs not stop using them. I am a very big supporter of erowid.org. So does that answer your question?

[vaxn8]

Opi- are you liking it? I think I mentioned it earlier, but the stories are the best. They keep so many different things going on without making it impossible to follow.

I loved Avon and his bro too, I think his bro is my favorite character on the show, hot too!

[remybur12]

Damn I wish I had HBO!!!!!

[Opiyum]

oh yeah im lovin it.. I dont have hbo either but i downloaded it off the net....i cant wait to finish the season...


And no it didnt answer my question...but in a way it did.

[vaxn8]

Did you have to buy it, or is it available? That is awesome that it's online now! Now anyone who doesn't have hbo can get to it!

[remybur12]

Dude I am not trying to be harsh but seriously where did you download HBO from

[SpecialGuy69]

remybur- try bittorrent or something- any one of the peer-to-peer file sharing sites- they usually have lots of movies and TV shows if you have a fast enough internet connection. I think that's about all the help I (or anyone else) can give ya on this one.

Oh and here is a quick synopsis so you know what you'll be downloading: it's a show about organized crime, politics, heroin, and cops, told from several points of view. There are several plotlines going on at any given time, which makes it hard for someone to say "it's about xyz".

I hope this helps.

[Opiyum]

YEah useing bittorents you can get anything. I already have Jackass 2 on dvd and a few other unreleased movies.
Look up a program called Azureus. Then register yourself at Demonoid.com. You download the bittorents there and azurues is the program that retrieves it from a mirror site. I dont understand the technicalities of it but a friend taught me the basics and thats all i needed.

What did you mean by "HArsh"?


Oh and no you sont have to pay for it but i do think its illegal not sure though

[Opiyum]

Man this is really turning out to be a good show. I hesitate to say it but it must be nice to be in a position like the one that Bubbles is in.
He's copping on the streets with an undercover by his side, with police money and has 100% protection against getting busted. I'm assuming that they let Bubs use all the shit that they buy given the secreteive nature of everything they do and as we all know a sick junky isnt worth shit.
Not saying I wanna be a shitch but as I watched it I jut thought it was funny. I love the scenes with Bubs and the rest of the detectives sitting around figuring shit out. He's always nodding out while they are trying to figure shit out.
I find myself liking Bubs which is very odd. He is the snitch. I always hate the snitch in any show I've ever seen....A likeable snitch...a hard role to play I assume.

[flipside]

Man this is really turning out to be a good show. I hesitate to say it but it must be nice to be in a position like the one that Bubbles is in.
He's copping on the streets with an undercover by his side, with police money and has 100% protection against getting busted. I'm assuming that they let Bubs use all the shit that they buy given the secreteive nature of everything they do and as we all know a sick junky isnt worth shit.
Not saying I wanna be a shitch but as I watched it I jut thought it was funny. I love the scenes with Bubs and the rest of the detectives sitting around figuring shit out. He's always nodding out while they are trying to figure shit out.
I find myself liking Bubs which is very odd. He is the snitch. I always hate the snitch in any show I've ever seen....A likeable snitch...a hard role to play I assume.


O which epeisode is that? , is it where he's working with major crimes before they all leave to go to homicide? where I am in the series Bubbles has been being taken off everyday by some
street rat, and he turns to the cops for help, he hands them ------- in case you haven't seen it yet, and the cops leave him hanging , he calls the detectives cell, says he's found the guy, assured help is on the way draws the guy out and is left on the ground, bloody and broken.

he's also tried to take one of the corner boys in, I like Bubbles too, even with him being a snitch, it's survival of the fittest, and he aint very fit. His house looks like every shooting gallery I've been in in that part of town. there are a lot of Bubbles out there, with thier shopping carts full of goods, and anabadoned buldings for a home. he is a very likable character because he's 3 dimensional,. he's human.

[soulman]

yo flip, opis on like season 2,and youre talkin about the shit thats on right now,season 4.
and just so everybody knows whats up, the kid you were talkin about whose ma told him to step up-his name is Namond, and the other guys name is not Morrell-its Marlo. dont mean to be picky, but its my favorite show, never missed an episode. oh,and the line"what kind of leave it to beaver land are you takin me to?"was said by bubbles when McNulty took him for a ride thru the burbs.the radio thing was different, and by the time they were in the van fuckin with the radio Dangelo was in jail.That was Body who said that.sorry but like i said its my favorite show and that was just buggin me.:D

[flipside]

yo flip, opis on like season 2,and youre talkin about the shit thats on right now,season 4.
and just so everybody knows whats up, the kid you were talkin about whose ma told him to step up-his name is Namond, and the other guys name is not Morrell-its Marlo. dont mean to be picky, but its my favorite show, never missed an episode. oh,and the line"what kind of leave it to beaver land are you takin me to?"was said by bubbles when McNulty took him for a ride thru the burbs.the radio thing was different, and by the time they were in the van fuckin with the radio Dangelo was in jail.That was Body who said that.sorry but like i said its my favorite show and that was just buggin me.:D

I thought that she might be on a previous season. Glad you are a fan of the show also. Any particular reason it's so near and dear to you?

[alowishus]

I saw the 1st season and most of the 2nd, but haven't seen anything of it since.

Man that 1st one was the best, everyone I'd talk to loved it, seemed to take a dive after though, like the story line got too loose, like they were just winging it and had no real direction.

Is it still on hobo (hbo)?

[soulman]

The Game!!! thats really all i can say seein it all played out on t.v. so realistic, its television at its best!
i used to watch the corner also, thats a good one too.

[flipside]

[quote=alowishus;52742]I saw the 1st season and most of the 2nd, but haven't seen anything of it since.



Yes A it's still on on Sunday nights , of course it's also on demand. Current season though only) It's now in it's 4th season and the story lines definately have direction, and the characters are very well developed. Glad to see we've hooked another one

[Opiyum]

Actually i have only seen the first four episodes which is why i havent read anything anyone has written.

[flipside]

O def, do come post when you catch up, I'm gonna go back and re-watch the first 3 seasons so we''ll be on the same page. Since a few here have stated that they have only seent the first season or 2, mabey we could start another thread for that time period of the show so we can discuss it without ruining it for those who have not caught up to the current season.?

[mgd1313]

Hey Vax...I'm a Bmore native as well. Please shoot me a pm when ya get a sec. Thx.

[Duckfeet]

One of the funniest and most telling moments on the show was when D'angelo and a friend were driving up north to pick up weight. They were starting to lose the radio signal from Baltimore, and D's friend thought the radio was broken - he had never even been far enough outside of B-more to know that the radio stations faded.
When I lived in Richmond, VA, I knew many people like that, never left the city in their whole lives, thought everything/everywhere was like it is in the city.

Even funnier, then they picked up NPR and Garrison Keillor doing Prairie Home Companion. The look on his face....and they *left* that station on.

[Duckfeet]

Best thing about The Wire is that they play a Tom Waits song at the beginning of every show. Hardest to believe is that the toughest character is gay. Omar...I feel they got a little "agenda" thing going there. Kind of like the gay mafia guy on The Sopranos. No sweat, nothing *wrong* with that...Just felt a little contrived. A gay mafia guy, then the baddest guy on The Wire is gay...somebody trying to *tell* me something? I still like that bad motherfucker though. Don't everybody beat on me for my insensitivity either--I'm sure there are gay dopehouse thief/killers all over the B'more hood, and gay baddass mafiosos in Jersey, it's just...unsettling. ;-)

Coolest guy though, is still Bunk, the cop. Now in the process of saving Omar. I just figured out that Joe set that whole poker game robbery up to get Marlow to nail Omar...but Omar be figuring it out too, hee hee.

[flipside]

Best thing about The Wire is that they play a Tom Waits song at the beginning of every show. Hardest to believe is that the toughest character is gay. Omar...I feel they got a little "agenda" thing going there. Kind of like the gay mafia guy on The Sopranos. No sweat, nothing *wrong* with that...Just felt a little contrived. A gay mafia guy, then the baddest guy on The Wire is gay...somebody trying to *tell* me something? I still like that bad motherfucker though. Don't everybody beat on me for my insensitivity either--I'm sure there are gay dopehouse thief/killers all over the B'more hood, and gay baddass mafiosos in Jersey, it's just...unsettling. ;-)

Coolest guy though, is still Bunk, the cop. Now in the process of saving Omar. I just figured out that Joe set that whole poker game robbery up to get Marlow to nail Omar...but Omar be figuring it out too, hee hee.



The song is perfrect .You must not be caught up on the current eisodes yet., it's more than figured out, but remember Omar promised Bunk "no more bodies on me" and he is a man of his word. Hee hee the best is yet to come, remember Andre did this on order from Marlo. And the "fat man" always comes out ahead.

Wait till you see what they do with Michael's character. OMG......

I don't get the gay reference, I don't think Omar is gay, a lot of guys in that world live and sleep in the same bed together and share every spect of thier lives as family, Poppy is slang in Bmore for friend not lover or Daddy) I just don't think Omar is portayed as gay, cool though, it's all open to interpretation I just don't see it. Glad you like the show. What episode are you on? are you watching on demand downloading or is the series a week behind me and the east coast? What do you think is gonna happen to Randy> Nothing has really happened yet, but it looks like what I said was gonna happen if they stayed true to the story would happen is going too. I sure as hell hope not though!

[Duckfeet]

The song is perfrect .You must not be caught up on the current eisodes yet., it's more than figured out, but remember Omar promised Bunk "no more bodies on me" and he is a man of his word. Hee hee the best is yet to come, remember Andre did this on order from Marlo. And the "fat man" always comes out ahead.

Wait till you see what they do with Michael's character. OMG......

I don't get the gay reference, I don't think Omar is gay, a lot of guys in that world live and sleep in the same bed together and share every spect of thier lives as family, Poppy is slang in Bmore for friend not lover or Daddy) I just don't think Omar is portayed as gay, cool though, it's all open to interpretation I just don't see it. Glad you like the show. What episode are you on? are you watching on demand downloading or is the series a week behind me and the east coast? What do you think is gonna happen to Randy> Nothing has really happened yet, but it looks like what I said was gonna happen if they stayed true to the story would happen is going too. I sure as hell hope not though!

Yeah, I just saw the latest one, where you realize, "once again" that the fat man was pulling strings behind the scene: he sold out the guy in the store, but I had just figured out that *he* "proposition Joe ?" was the one who turned Omar on to the robbery in the first place. And I just saw the latest one Sunday is the update, on HBO. ...and from day 1, they've been showing that Omar liked boys. I mean in previous years he'd be kissing on them, and all the other guys referred to him in deragatory terms that way. I know the difference: cultural, sleep together, etc. I also know the difference between lowrent cultures where putting other men down "as being sissies, punks, etc., and jailhouse punk bs...but this is different. all that:

but I'm saying, one of the defininitive gay characters is Omar . Think back to previous years, where they made it real clear: don't you remember when his young boyfriend, the one who liked video parlors, was killed, and it began a bloodbath? Back when he was pulling the first of his dopehouse robberies. I'm sure it was part of the whole structure. I mean, I remember when they *first* started making that clear, and I was like "what?" It just didn't fit my idea of ghetto life,"I've known "effeminate gay men" in the hood, and I"ve been in the pen, and know about agro mail sexual aggresion, but to have a known macho, outed gay man causing this much commotion among criminals, well.... but like you said: great show, all kinds of room for interpretation. I'm going to google search right now, see what others think...

I actually saw it first, up in Seattle, was fixing to bring a saiboat down from Lake Union to Tacoma, and it sort of caught my eye in this motel I was staying at, and all of a sudden I heard that Tom Waits song, and thought: this is really a cool show....shows that it is possible for t.v. to do that.


I just did google search: "the wire" omar gay
lots and lots of stuff

You'll see...I'm like you, I've been following this show from day 1, love it, but every once in a while I get totally surprised, which is cool. btw, I think I saw the latest show, sunday, and I know Bunk got Omar out, and that he gave his word not to kill, but I know he'll come up with somethin'. Saddest, coolest, thing about show is that they kill off the guys you root for,,,and I'm glad badass Omar is still kicking ;-)

[SpecialGuy69]

Hey Vax...I'm a Bmore native as well. Please shoot me a pm when ya get a sec. Thx.
mgd- you can't send or receive PM's until you have 30 posts and 30 days. It has something to do with preventing people from asking for hookups and stuff like that...

[vaxn8]

Hey Vax...I'm a Bmore native as well. Please shoot me a pm when ya get a sec. Thx.

I think it's like a month of being here and 30 posts or something.

Hardest to believe is that the toughest character is gay. Omar.

Ya, Omar is definitely gay, it took me awhile to catch on to that, but it was either season 2 or 3 where they made it totally obvious. Still the awesomest show on tv and really the only one i watch. I'm not sure if i like how they're doing it with on demand though. The episode that started being available with on demand this last monday doesn't air on tv until sunday. So now, there is never anything new on sunday- still getting used to that.

[flipside]

I obviously must not have seen the ealer episodes where they made it clear Omar was gay. Ok, so he's gay. Am downloading the previous seasons to re-watch and see the episodes I missed.

Can't get enough of this show. Comes on tonight, am looking forward to having the kiddies in bed, curling up with my blankey and watching. Like a little kid on Saturday morning with the cartoons.

[kyuss]

I feel
so left out.
I don't have hbo. :(

[Duckfeet]

I feel
so left out.
I don't have hbo. :(

I've gotten rid of all the other channels I pay for. Keep hbo only for the wire and sopranos, and even the sopranos have gotten so foo foo in last season or two, if it weren't for The Wire i'd shitcan them too....today we see new update!

[SpecialGuy69]

I can't believe there's people saying that omar isn't gay... I saw an episode where he was laying in bed with his boyfriend, kissed him (open mouth) and told him he loved him. That's a pretty good sign someone is gay. We should consult some of the gay OP members, but I'm pretty sure if you sleep with a member of the same sex and love them, that makes you gay. But hell, what do I know? It's not my area of expertise (even though I did live in Key West for a few months)

New episode tonight? If so, let's live-blog it.

Hey Vaxn8- maybe say hi? Post a little? People have tough questions only a smart girl like you can answer.

[kyuss]

I've gotten rid of all the other channels I pay for. Keep hbo only for the wire and sopranos, and even the sopranos have gotten so foo foo in last season or two, if it weren't for The Wire i'd shitcan them too....today we see new update!

I've got Directv
and the bill
is already $46.
I just can't afford
more than that
for something I
only watch 2-3 hours a day.
I do miss The Sopranos tho.
Used to like Oz alot,too.

[Duckfeet]

I've got Directv
and the bill
is already $46.
I just can't afford
more than that
for something I
only watch 2-3 hours a day.
I do miss The Sopranos tho.
Used to like Oz alot,too.

Yeah I got Cox Cable, and hbo for The Wire. Main good thing about the cable is the independant film channels , Sundance, some others. IFC was first to show that fine junky Dublin junky movie: "Adam and Paul," which I just stumbled on a few weeks ago. But most of the channels are crap, and Sopranos better toughen up soon. I mean, if I wanted to see a PTA meeting I'd watch something else. I like a little violence and gore w/my movies LOL...

[kyuss]

Yeah I got Cox Cable, and hbo for The Wire. Main good thing about the cable is the independant film channels , Sundance, some others. IFC was first to show that fine junky Dublin junky movie: "Adam and Paul," which I just stumbled on a few weeks ago. But most of the channels are crap, and Sopranos better toughen up soon. I mean, if I wanted to see a PTA meeting I'd watch something else. I like a little violence and gore w/my movies LOL...

hell yeah,
I love IFC.
Great movies,
Henry Rollins Show,
and Greg The Bunny.

[SpecialGuy69]

Yeah I got Cox Cable, and hbo for The Wire. Main good thing about the cable is the independant film channels , Sundance, some others. IFC was first to show that fine junky Dublin junky movie: "Adam and Paul," which I just stumbled on a few weeks ago. But most of the channels are crap, and Sopranos better toughen up soon. I mean, if I wanted to see a PTA meeting I'd watch something else. I like a little violence and gore w/my movies LOL...
Thank you. The soprano's are pussies now. They need to get back into what made them cool in the first place- sex, drugs, and violence. Not some fat guy whining to his therapist~

[SpecialGuy69]

The wire is on in 45 minutes... Just wanted to remind you.

[Opiyum]

for those who feel left out you dont need HBO to watch the show....I dont hvae HBO and im wathcing it. PM if you would like to learn how. ANd yes it is free.

[SpecialGuy69]

the cop breaking kid's fingers-that was fucked up!!! I hope those kids fuck up that cop (officer walker?)

[Duckfeet]

the cop breaking kid's fingers-that was fucked up!!! I hope those kids fuck up that cop (officer walker?)
Yeah, I just saw it too--seems like it was one of those times when it's just "move things along" shows, rather than one where anything happens. Marlo kind of ruthless, he had that little fat kid iced just to make a point, and like the other corner kids said, Stringer Bell only did it when they *actually* had ratted, not just to make a point. I've seen that kind of shit happen, guys just spend to much time in the cop station, then people start saying, well *maybe* they talked...
Not much happened, but they got me. Bunny took that kid home...Bay's son, I forget his name...but you kind of know he's a weak sister, something bad is going to happen to him.
I'm always kind of torn. I mean, I like the crime side...that's why I got hooked on the The Wire first season...but the guys who produce the show, also want us to care about the kids, see how hopeless their fate really is, without all the usual bullshit of showing them conquering their environment. That's why the show tugs at your heartstrings, because you *know* these kids ain't really gonna find a way out, they don't have no real tools. That's why the classrom episodes show so much of what their world is really like, and they don't--at least not yet--sugarcoat that, like most shows of "classrooms in the ghetto" who show the wonderful kids rising to the surface...nah, not in real life. They're fucked..and worse, and sadder, they know they are fucked. Maybe not with words, but they know it intuitively.
still...somebody better start killing somebody soon LOL...

had to edit this: What's up with Omar. I mean, I know he promised not to kill nobody: what is he trying to figure out? I mean, he kind of knows what went down, right? So why the big deal, why is he spying on Marlo?

[SpecialGuy69]

why did the guy beat the other dude to death in the alley?

[Duckfeet]

why did the guy beat the other dude to death in the alley?

that was the kid's new step-father...remember the young kid who went to Marlo, said nobody else could help him, and then so Marlo sent his hoods to kill the guy, The killed guy had just come back into that youngster's life, and he didn't like him, and wanted him gone....Before that it was just the kid, his brother, and his mother, and he wanted it back like that, not some new crackhead "father" screwing things up...on the other hand, the guy killed actually *was* the father of his little brother...shit I reread this I know it makes no sense at all, never mind ;-)

I'm trying to post while I'm watching that great lowlife movie: "Night at Golden Eagle," out of my eye. Just an old Tom Waits song, put to film, haha couple of old cons living in a rooming house...man, that's my next move, up to L.A. get room for rent. I'm sick... :(

[vaxn8]

but the guys who produce the show, also want us to care about the kids, see how hopeless their fate really is, without all the usual bullshit of showing them conquering their environment.
had to edit this: What's up with Omar. I mean, I know he promised not to kill nobody: what is he trying to figure out? I mean, he kind of knows what went down, right? So why the big deal, why is he spying on Marlo?

The kids are sad, the really sad part is that they are here, all over the place.

Omar is trying to figure out why the Barksdale people are working with Marlo and Joe- he doesn't know about that agreement and how they are all working together.

why did the guy beat the other dude to death in the alley?

He had molested him when he lived with his mom the first time and he didn't want his little Bro to go through it.

Another really good week!

[Duckfeet]

The kids are sad, the really sad part is that they are here, all over the place.

Omar is trying to figure out why the Barksdale people are working with Marlo and Joe- he doesn't know about that agreement and how they are all working together.



He had molested him when he lived with his mom the first time and he didn't want his little Bro to go through it.

Another really good week!


Right, right, that makes sense now...particularly on the last conversation before the guy got beat to death; I was trying to put that one together, but it seems like the guy must have know, because rather than just kill the guy he beat him to death...oh well, best show on t.v....

and I see Omar putting that toegether...what I don't see is what he *personally* cares about all this. I mean, he's just a ripoff man, but I feel like there's something else he's trying to puzzle out. I mean, he *does* get he was setup on the poker game, so what else is he watching for, and why would he care?
I figure it's some kind of revenge thing, and I'm afraid he'll end up snitching somebody off to Bump....one thing about the Wire, they don't make the snitches look like scum they are in real life....The rats get a break on The Wire, what with Bubbles, who is hard not to root for....

[vaxn8]

I think it was Chris- the guy with Snoop that was going to kill the step-dad, he seemed to understand what had happened without the kid spelling it out. Seems he went through a similar situation the way he beat on the guy- at least that is what i took from it.

I'm not totally sure what Omar wants out of all of this, other than to understand who is on eachother's side. I hope more people will comment on what they think of this, I would like to hear more opinions. I took it as he just needed to know who was with who so he knows who he's robbing. He could also just be paranoid, rightfully so, that they are banding together to go after him, and may think that is the reason the Barksdale guys are hanging with Marlo.

I need to go back and watch the poker episode again, the answer to this may lie in that episode, and I am not recalling much of that episode at the moment. I agree, it is super-freaky how attached to the snitches you can get when normally you'd just want to kill them!

[Opiyum]

Starting the second season now....I like how they have a new rendition of the opening theme and i like the new one better. I also enjoyed seeing the harbor and the bay bridge. that HUGE mother fucking bridge brings back a hell of alot of memories.
One involves Myself my father, my uncle, his two neices a thunder storm and a little girls hair standing straight up in the air from all the static electricity. To be a kid again. To be thrilled by the now mundane.

[vaxn8]

Opi- is #2 the Port story? I love how it's a new song each season, another cool thing about the show. If it's the port story, this was my absolute fav season, hope you enjoy!

Also, so glad to see you've posted! I was worried the other night!

[Duckfeet]

I think it was Chris- the guy with Snoop that was going to kill the step-dad, he seemed to understand what had happened without the kid spelling it out. Seems he went through a similar situation the way he beat on the guy- at least that is what i took from it.

I'm not totally sure what Omar wants out of all of this, other than to understand who is on eachother's side. I hope more people will comment on what they think of this, I would like to hear more opinions. I took it as he just needed to know who was with who so he knows who he's robbing. He could also just be paranoid, rightfully so, that they are banding together to go after him, and may think that is the reason the Barksdale guys are hanging with Marlo.

I need to go back and watch the poker episode again, the answer to this may lie in that episode, and I am not recalling much of that episode at the moment. I agree, it is super-freaky how attached to the snitches you can get when normally you'd just want to kill them!

Yeah, Chris got it: I guess that's why all the prison questions, like *he* knew...

And I know Omar is the smartest one of all these cookies, most philosophical, and seems to abide by whatever code he lives by. a fucking hero out of Hemingway! And at first it was Stringer Bell, the man who kind of thought ahead. But it goes a lot with what they show about the "bad" schoolkids too: that they aren't stupid...that they know these school programs come and go, but in the end, they'll be down on the corner...

and I'm just now seeing how slick Proposition Joe has been... I kind of see him like I used to see Stringer, serious buisinessman, probably read machiavelli...but Omar, he's more a tragic hero, brilliant but doomed, but unwilling to break the rules he lives by "the game."

the way the writer just absolutely fights off optimism in the lives of the kids, all the teachers such cynics: I mean, the most altruistic of the teachers are the two ex-cops, and they too, are seeing how little can be done, that nothing really changes...seeing those kids at the steak house, man oh man...

Coolcool show, no doubt

[vaxn8]

Has anyone watched the one that will premiere this coming Sunday, but started being available on "on demand" last night? I don't want to say much if no one has seen it yet. I personally can't wait until Sunday to find out what is going to happen, so i always watch it late Monday, but then i have to be quiet waiting for everyone else to see it!

[Duckfeet]

Has anyone watched the one that will premiere this coming Sunday, but started being available on "on demand" last night? I don't want to say much if no one has seen it yet. I personally can't wait until Sunday to find out what is going to happen, so i always watch it late Monday, but then i have to be quiet waiting for everyone else to see it!

That sure is tempting, but knowing me, I couldn't keep my mouth shut, so I better wait. I hope it was good....

[flipside]

Oh it was good, soo good.
will wait for everyone else though.

Anyone else still in season one or two besides O?

[SpecialGuy69]

watched tonight's episode Tuesday ondemand- which was really cool cause the ondemand is ALWAYS fucked up - normally I don't even try, but I really wanted to see this week's episode early.

[flipside]

^^which number episode was it T?,

on my on demand I get the new one and the one for the upcoming week, really weird. So I have to go by episode numbers unless details are given about the episode
and we don't want to spoil it for anyone.

[SpecialGuy69]

the one that's airing tonight. I really don't know. I'm still stuck at fucking work.
I'm basically working 10-12 hour days with no time off till January. I picked a perfect time to quit, right?

It's the December to Remember sales event- aka the "i have no fucking time off for a month" event

[flipside]

^^ it airs on Sunday where I am,

Sorry your stuck at work and so miserable doing the sub thing, but remember you've only got 4 days now till your Pm appointment? Hang in there babe, have a hug...

[Opiyum]

yeah im approaching the end of season two. slowly but surely. Its good shit....

[Opiyum]

Also I fucking hate Ziggy. Mother fuckers like this ruin so much for the rest of us. God ddamnit

[vaxn8]

Also I fucking hate Ziggy. Mother fuckers like this ruin so much for the rest of us. God ddamnit

Opi- I'm talking to you first. After this first part, you don't want to read anymore.

Who was Ziggy?? I'm totally drawing a blank right now! Oooooooooooooh shit, now i know, the pier guy's son. I had forgotten about him! Yes, total loser, but funny in parts! He is entertaining to watch! Such a natural moron!!!

OK Opi- read no more! ************************************************** *














^^which number episode was it T?,


Again, i don't want to give details before it airs tomorrow, so this comment won't make sense if you haven't watched it. At the very, very, very end of this episode (current one airing tomorrow) Lester and another guy do some serious looking around some abandoned property. Now do you know which episode? I can give more, but don't want to give any of the story away!

[flipside]

^^ yep we're on the same episode.

What about the sub forum to discuss season one & 2 for those that are there, so we can talk about the show with them as well?

[flipside]

Also I fucking hate Ziggy. Mother fuckers like this ruin so much for the rest of us. God ddamnit


"tru dat";)

[kyuss]

I'm watching that great lowlife movie: "Night at Golden Eagle," out of my eye. Just an old Tom Waits song, put to film, haha couple of old cons living in a rooming house...man, that's my next move, up to L.A. get room for rent. I'm sick... :(

that's a good movie.
That's the one where
the newly released con
strangles the prostitute
and has to rid of her body.

[Duckfeet]

that's a good movie.
That's the one where
the newly released con
strangles the prostitute
and has to rid of her body.

Yeah, and the story, maybe didn't amount to much...but the descriptions of lowlifes, ex-cons, hookers, people on the downside....I just liiked it. same way I liked early Tom Waits, bukowski's books...I mean, there came a point in my life where I was kind of a wastrel living in cheap rooming houses,and I knew--in society's eyes--I'd never amount to nothin'...and since then it's always been heartening to find artists who know that poetry also lies in areas where hope and happiness are strangers.

[kyuss]

Yeah, and the story, maybe didn't amount to much...but the descriptions of lowlifes, ex-cons, hookers, people on the downside....I just liiked it. same way I liked early Tom Waits, bukowski's books...I mean, there came a point in my life where I was kind of a wastrel living in cheap rooming houses,and I knew--in society's eyes--I'd never amount to nothin'...and since then it's always been heartening to find artists who know that poetry also lies in areas where hope and happiness are strangers.


I agree.
Most poetry
and the Blues
comes from sadness
and misery.

I love Bukowski too
just rented a film about
his life that was released
last year.
He was bitching about
how Mickey Rourke
ruined Barfly,
even tho I loved Barfly.
They didn't have
a copy of the new movie
"factotum" starring Matt
from Drugstore Cowboy

[Duckfeet]

I agree.
Most poetry
and the Blues
comes from sadness
and misery.
I love Bukowski too
just rented a film about
his life that was released
last year.
He was bitching about
how Mickey Rourke
ruined Barfly,
even tho I loved Barfly.
They didn't have
a copy of the new movie
"factotum" starring Matt
from Drugstore Cowboy

Yeah, you're touching on areas that meant *so* much to me. I mean, I had just gotten out of the army a year before, was on GI bill going to college in Gainesville FL, missed heroin, was drinking every day, and I think I had just discovered *dilaudids* when a friend comes over with this really thick paperback, with a picture of an ugly man's face on the front cover, and it was called "Erections, Ejaculations, Exhibitions, and General Tales of Ordinary Madness," by Charles Bukowski. It was thick, and full of short stories that were so wonderful. It was put out by City Lights Books--the classiest bookstore in the world. And I can safely say it changed my life. I went through I don't know *how* many copies of that book--it's out of print now--and it was *always* stolen or not returned by my friends (I was a wannabe writer myself. It never amounted to anything, got some rejection slips, I used to have pretty exciting poetry readings in Louisiana, but it was nothing)

Those stories are reprinted in two of his books: The Most Beautiful Girl in Town, and Tales of Ordinary Madness.... I think.

But anyway, I could go on forever. But listening to the 1st album I heard by Tom Waits, in the early eighties: "Heartattack and Vine," and that book by Bukowski (now goes for around $100 on eBay...I've actually got a few horded copies ;-) )and maybe having a pretty girl around, a beer in my hand, and a dilaudid waitin....ah, that was heaven, to me...

[Opiyum]

I gotta say i just saw the part where Stinger meats with that Intellectual ass assassin dude in the hospital after Omar tried to kill him.
Now stinger sent omar on him and when the Assassin dude says to stringer in the hospital "dont worry about having my back ill take care of THEM myself" and then Stringer acts suprised. THat just pissed me off because he obviously just implicated himself as the one who sent Omar and now the assassin dude (Mommar or whatever his name is you know the muslim nicely dressed dude) knows that Stinger tried to have him offed.

Why does that piss me off you ask?? Because Stringer is much smarter than that which we already know because we have seen how smart he is throughout the first season and all of this one and now the writers are obvioulsy going to end up having Stringer get killed over a stupid mistake like this.
I mean COME ON!!! You think he wasnt going into that hospital room prepared for that kinda shit. He knew who he was dealing with. He knew the Muslim dude was a smart mother fucker. This just pisses me off. Stringer is by far my favorite charachter and I am certain now that he isnt gonna be around much longer.
God Damnit!

[dimebagaboy]

the wire is based in b-more and it seems pretty accurate although i never been there but its simalair here in miami fla they the jumpout stings are and the way the trap boys act and the different names of dope i used to get body bag in the bronx(HUNTS POINT)down here there are red devils,bluedevils,dollar sign,yellow dragon, playboy,orange stripe (my personal fave),red stripe,superman,batman(the symbols)BUT THERE AINT NOTHIN LIKE THAT OL NEW YORK,PATTERSON NJ,VIRGINIA DOPE.although its not bad here 2 bags and your vexxed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!: cool:

[vaxn8]

I gotta say i just saw the part where Stinger meats with that Intellectual ass assassin dude in the hospital after Omar tried to kill him.
Now stinger sent omar on him and when the Assassin dude says to stringer in the hospital "dont worry about having my back ill take care of THEM myself" and then Stringer acts suprised. THat just pissed me off because he obviously just implicated himself as the one who sent Omar and now the assassin dude (Mommar or whatever his name is you know the muslim nicely dressed dude) knows that Stinger tried to have him offed.

Why does that piss me off you ask?? Because Stringer is much smarter than that which we already know because we have seen how smart he is throughout the first season and all of this one and now the writers are obvioulsy going to end up having Stringer get killed over a stupid mistake like this.
I mean COME ON!!! You think he wasnt going into that hospital room prepared for that kinda shit. He knew who he was dealing with. He knew the Muslim dude was a smart mother fucker. This just pisses me off. Stringer is by far my favorite charachter and I am certain now that he isnt gonna be around much longer.
God Damnit!

Oh yeah- Brother Mouzon, I forgot about him too! He's a freaky character, I like his unique little hit man style though! Stringer is my absolute all time fave of the show. I would have loved a show based just on him. He's up there with Tommy Lee for me.

I didn't like the way they had String handle Bro. M in the hospital- that was just not right, he would have had something planned for that situation, I agree! I think people looking to go into Stringer's career could learn a lot from him, he's a smart guy- breaks the dope dealer stereotype- more like real-life too- they aren't all morons. They obvisouly have some decent business sense- dope's had a market for many years.

We do need thread for season two. I'm going to start one and copy Opi's last one and this one to start it out. That way Opi also won't have to worry about seeing stuff from season 4, or anyone else who is just getting into the series! We could use one for The Corner too if we don't already have one, i'll have to search that one.

[vaxn8]

its simalair here in miami fla they the jumpout stings are and the way the trap boys act and the different names of dope


The only different about the jumpouts here in real life is that Tuesday & Thursdays are supposed to be "jumpout days". Supposed to be the day you are most likely to be arrested.

Dope names aren't as big of a deal here as y'all have up there. Stamps show up every once in awhile. I ran across some pills (scramble) semi-recently that were called red fox- but the gel caps aren't usually named like that. I've never seen raw with a brand, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, i just haven't seen or heard about it happening.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, I just saw today's new show. What a deal. Now Omar seems to be putting it all together, but Prop Joe is pretty slick too, so it's a toss-up, which one survives the season, LOL. I know if I really get to liking somebody--like we all did Stringer--well....

Second, the whole mayoral deal, which I thought was boring at beginning of season, has now started to get me...really is instructive, you know, seeing guys like the mayor, and some of the cops, who *want* to do good, but also know the system, *really* well. Can't believe only two more shows...Damn!.

And now they started the major crimes unit, again, kind of like when the show was starting out, w/they were nailing the phones..hence, "the wire."

And the nailgun killings hee hee hee....


And the poor kid---Michael?--who is getting the snitch jacket. Boy it's easy to put that jacket on somebody, but murder to get it off....so sad, and the way Bunny interacts with'em...man on man...never knew t.v. could be so good...

[Duckfeet]

All right, all you Wireheads: tonight's the night! I think only one more episode, after this one, so should be good! Omar rules!

[SpecialGuy69]

DONT MISS THIS WEEKS EPISODE- IT ROCKS!!!! I already saw the episode, but this post is safe to read, no spoilers.

Duck- your in for an awesome episode if your an Omar fan (I watched it on demand already). According the the tc guide's summary of this week's episode: "Omar makes a power play"

Oh ya this one is good. Check out the place where the detectives end up right at the end, that looks exactly like where I used to live in Richmond, VA. I remember one day I walked home from work for lunch, and there were like 5 cop cars, lights flashing, at my house...

I thought I was busted (I was doin some dirt back then, and doing very well at it, too), so I got my car and drove 100 miles away and called to find out what was going on. Turns out that some kids were playing in the alley right behind my house and they found a dead guy in my garage.

It was a detached garage, across the alley from my house, filled with trash and broken furniture and shit, id never even thought about cleaning it out and parking in it, too much shit. I just parked in a nicer area near the college instead.

So it turns out the guy was an OD, but he'd been there for like 2 weeks before anyone noticed.

Why the long-ass tangent, you might ask (if anyone is still reading this)? Because that last scene in the show really reminded me of where I used to live, and something else. You'll see!

[Duckfeet]

Allright, I saw this week's episode. I'm already getting bummed: only one more episode this season. And I know it's good, but it's almost too realistic. I mean, why make us care about the kids? If he sticks to his guns, they'll all come out badly, and the good ones get crushed the worst. But I guess that's what Bunny and Prez are goiing thru anyway...you know, the more cynical teachers already been thru all that. Trouble is, I don't *need* any more confirmation that this world is unjust and fucked. Maybe I need to start watching the Disney channel ;-)

Yeah, Omar looks like he's going to come thru again. And I knew from getgo that Bubbles' plan would go awry. I actually thought somebody else would rob his dope and die, but then his boy got it, bad business. Poor Bubbles. First snitch I ever felt sorry for.

I guess in the first season they hooked on the criminals and cop interaction, and now he wants us to get more involved with the lives of the kids...but why? I mean I kind of wish sometimes he'd kept it to Bunk and Jimmy fucking with the bad guys. Showing us how all the little "hoppers" are fucked by life before they ever get rolling just depresses me more. I don't *need* that. I know that in real life, you get the wrong parents, neighborhood, skin color and your fucked. What's new? What I need is Omar to break his vow, and kill a bunch of people...that's what I need. Half this episode was people turning their back on violence. What is this...Beverly Hills? Some ace needs to *off* a few people!

The writer needs to make up his mind, he's pissing me off. Almost like he's crusading for a cause he doesn't believe in.

Fucking subs. They don't work for shit. I'm going to Mexico.

[AWOL]

Just wanted to say hi to flip for once she makes it to this page. :) (you guys can forgive me for that OT post, right?)

[flipside]

I for some reason get the episode a week before it airs so I've seen the final epsiode. If you needed kleenex for the one that aired last night and I did, bubbles and garrard, Randy and Miss Anna, poor dukie. And Michael is in over his head,he's changin, becoming a true product of his environment. Davon doesn't want the lie but ehre;s he gonna go? ok enough don't want to spoil the next show for anyone.

Sorry to tell ya DF the next and final episode is aa TOUGH one to watch. Almost like real reality tv show, no hype. could be the wrap of a documentary almost.

I think the writers make us care about the kids and the dealers and in the final episode and even go deeper with a few of the cops because they've humanized them, and they really play on our emotions in the final episode. I think I experienced an entire spectrum of emotions from grief, to anger and horror to despair to shock and outrage as well as a few smiles.

Most of these characters are based on real people or a compilation of. You'll see exactly how human Bodie is in the final episode. He doesn't pull an Omar but it's so real it made me cry. I think the show pretty much stayed true to the characters.

One surprise though, 2 of the kids who I though were gonna end up one way ended up another. Guess it is a little too much like real life.

Can't wait to see what develops next season.

DV are you reading my mind again. how did u know i would be writing my post while u were saying hi?
So are uU watching the show?

[AWOL]

I don't have tv, cable or otherwise. I just saw you were on and used telekinesis to post a hi message. :) I hope you're feeling better fip (as much as possible), you worried the hell out of me.

[flipside]

The writer needs to make up his mind, he's pissing me off. Almost like he's crusading for a cause he doesn't believe in.quote

He's been on those streets as a cop and in the school it was his program they portray. I guess he knows better than to dare to hope.

Fucking subs. They don't work for shit. I'm going to Mexico.

Can i come too?:D

[Duckfeet]

Can i come too?:D

Sure thing. Keep me out of trouble ;-)

You're right on the show. I know he wants us to care about the kids, all of the people, really. But I also think he does it without hope, you know. I saw some thing about the producers and Baltimore, and it kind of showed his take.

It's problematic, in a sense though, because if you make people care, then always show the bad endings, eventually that too becomes predictable. But still, it's best show I've ever seen, and I know it's going to be rough, but I can't wait until Sunday.

I'm writing u a response rite now to that PM you sent me earlier.

Thanks.

[flipside]

^^ yeah there is not too much hope to be spread around the inner city hoods in bmore these days. I bet when i go home for Christmas and hit the hood my "Bubbbles will still be there" and so will the same corner boys, I'll get the recent deaths and the jail; sentences, and the saddest of it all, I will see all the little stufed animals strung to the street lights for the little ones gunned down in the middle of all fo this, pause ,,, shed a sincere tear or two and walk right onto the corner or up inot the hole to get mine and thus add my contribution to perpetuating the cycle.

The sad thing is that this is a really excellent commentary on the plight of our inner cities, the self perpetuating cycle ect, ect, and because the characters are so human and so three dimensional it's too bad that it doesn't have a broader audiance base. it might actually help draw some attention to the plight of my poor city.

It makes me very sad when I see what has happended to it , not that it's terribly unique from any other major city but it does have it's own special set of problems you don't find elsewhere.

I'll give ya this tidbit, there is one surprising twist in the final episode that ends on a very positive, even hopeful note. very unexpected but absolutely still realistic.

[Duckfeet]

^^ yeah there is not too much hope to be spread around the inner city hoods in bmore these days. I bet when i go home for Christmas and hit the hood my "Bubbbles will still be there" and so will the same corner boys, I'll get the recent deaths and the jail; sentences, and the saddest of it all, I will see all the little stufed animals strung to the street lights for the little ones gunned down in the middle of all fo this, pause ,,, shed a sincere tear or two and walk right onto the corner or up inot the hole to get mine and thus add my contribution to perpetuating the cycle.

The sad thing is that this is a really excellent commentary on the plight of our inner cities, the self perpetuating cycle ect, ect, and because the characters are so human and so three dimensional it's too bad that it doesn't have a broader audiance base. it might actually help draw some attention to the plight of my poor city.

It makes me very sad when I see what has happended to it , not that it's terribly unique from any other major city but it does have it's own special set of problems you don't find elsewhere.

I'll give ya this tidbit, there is one surprising twist in the final episode that ends on a very positive, even hopeful note. very unexpected but absolutely still realistic.

Alright Flip, I just sent you PM telling you all my secrets and sordid past LOL...but anyway, there's something that I can't quite figure out how to say. I mean, I agree that it is excellent commentary on the plight of inner cities...but it's also a bit of a commentary on how useless it is to do anything positive about it. Now that's what I *already* think, and I'm not sure, I mean, I saw this thing where he tried to explain this take, and all it seemed like to me was *not* that we need to care more about our poor inner cities, but more like: "don't bother, nothing you do matters anyway, so who gives a shit."

I know that's *not* exactly what he was trying to say, but often that's the message I get from show. It's called nihilism: existance is senseless and useless. Now I may believe that, and it very well may be true, but then it's easy to say fuck it, I'm gonna get mine, and fuck everybody who gets in the way...and I don't think that that is *really* what he wants. But every decent person in these shows: you know Bunny, all the good kids, the new mayor, D'angelo in earlier shows, and just about any person who tries to do the right things looses to someone who is more ruthless. That makes for great reality t.v., and confirms my dreary view of my country,,,but I'm not sure that is exactly what a young, somewhat altruistic, film-maker is really aiming for. I wish I could say it simpler. I guess I don't see: "help Baltimore survive," I see: "don't bother, do more dope, it's hopeless."

Oh well, either way, damn good show!

[SpecialGuy69]

I guess I don't see: "help Baltimore survive," I see: "don't bother, do more dope, it's hopeless."

Oh well, either way, damn good show!You know how people look at the mona lisa, and they percieve her mood to be whatever mood they are in? Well the show is kinda like that- what you see in the show is a reflection of your own attitudes.

[Duckfeet]

You know how people look at the mona lisa, and they percieve her mood to be whatever mood they are in? Well the show is kinda like that- what you see in the show is a reflection of your own attitudes.

Oh no, now I feel *worse*!

[flipside]

Alright Flip, I just sent you PM telling you all my secrets and sordid past LOL...but anyway, there's something that I can't quite figure out how to say. I mean, I agree that it is excellent commentary on the plight of inner cities...but it's also a bit of a commentary on how useless it is to do anything positive about it. Now that's what I *already* think, and I'm not sure, I mean, I saw this thing where he tried to explain this take, and all it seemed like to me was *not* that we need to care more about our poor inner cities, but more like: "don't bother, nothing you do matters anyway, so who gives a shit."

I know that's *not* exactly what he was trying to say, but often that's the message I get from show. It's called nihilism: existance is senseless and useless. Now I may believe that, and it very well may be true, but then it's easy to say fuck it, I'm gonna get mine, and fuck everybody who gets in the way...and I don't think that that is *really* what he wants. But every decent person in these shows: you know Bunny, all the good kids, the new mayor, D'angelo in earlier shows, and just about any person who tries to do the right things looses to someone who is more ruthless. That makes for great reality t.v., and confirms my dreary view of my country,,,but I'm not sure that is exactly what a young, somewhat altruistic, film-maker is really aiming for. I wish I could say it simpler. I guess I don't see: "help Baltimore survive," I see: "don't bother, do more dope, it's hopeless."

Oh well, either way, damn good show!


You make an excellent point Duck as does TM, but the writers of the show are not young and I do';t believe they are altruisitc. mabey at one time. I believe they are jaded and do feel that it's hopeless.
As do I. I agree either way it's a great show, and you know why it's so near and dear to my heart.

I lived it for a couple of years. I mean hung with guys like ike bubbles at one point,, Bodie could have been my guy and those little smart mouthed kids gotta love it tellling a "grown ass woman" to sit your ass on the stoop. Stone junkie man". It is interesting watching it from a distance now how the more things change the more they stay the same ? make sense?

Mabey after you see the final episode you will see a little message of "hope" . esp if they handle next season the way they handle the last episode.

[AWOL]

You know how people look at the mona lisa, and they percieve her mood to be whatever mood they are in? Well the show is kinda like that- what you see in the show is a reflection of your own attitudes.

I always thought the mona lisa was lookin at me with that come hither stare. Let's get it on baby. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-008.gif



Do anyone of you "the wire" lovers know if this show is out on dvd yet?

[veovis]

Do anyone of you "the wire" lovers know if this show is out on dvd yet?

The first 3 seasons are. I get 'em on netflix.

[Duckfeet]

Damn: I just saw last episode of The Wire this season. I don't know if it's like real life up there or not, but that show damn sure gets me. All those lost kids. But Flipside had said there was some room for opitimism, and when Bunny stepped up and went'n talked to Weebay it was so hopeful. It's a cool crime show, for sure, but more than that.

I gotta take back an earlier post, when I said I thought the show was nihilistic, showing me that despair is the only real answer, I thought that was what the show was saying as all the good guys got killed always, and anybody who tried to step up got hammered, but I was wrong. And when boody got it, I was all sad by that shit...what's the use.

But then I think maybe it's showing even tougher deal: that men need to step up for the young boys. that black men, unfair and unjust though this world has been to them gotta rise to the occasion and do like Bunny did, and the young cop *almost* did. And against all sanity, even the cops kept rising back up and trying to do the right thing, like the suckass sergeant who for the first time showed a little empathy...and for *Bubbles* of all people. And of course Jimmy coming back on Special Crimes.

But I guess if there is room for optimism it is more like old poster of cornered mouse shooting the finger at the hawk...gotta do right even when it's hopeless. Good on Bunny. And Prez too, for trying, and all of'em that at least gave a shit. Cynicism sucks, I got too much of it already. It's better to be wrong and act right than be right and act wrong.

Good show tho, unlike most t.v. other than the simpsons

[flipside]

Damn: I just saw last episode of The Wire this season. I don't know if it's like real life up there or not, but that show damn sure gets me. All those lost kids. But Flipside had said there was some room for opitimism, and when Bunny stepped up and went'n talked to Weebay it was so hopeful. It's a cool crime show, for sure, but more than that.

I gotta take back an earlier post, when I said I thought the show was nihilistic, showing me that despair is the only real answer, I thought that was what the show was saying as all the good guys got killed always, and anybody who tried to step up got hammered, but I was wrong. And when boody got it, I was all sad by that shit...what's the use.

But then I think maybe it's showing even tougher deal: that men need to step up for the young boys. that black men, unfair and unjust though this world has been to them gotta rise to the occasion and do like Bunny did, and the young cop *almost* did. And against all sanity, even the cops kept rising back up and trying to do the right thing, like the suckass sergeant who for the first time showed a little empathy...and for *Bubbles* of all people. And of course Jimmy coming back on Special Crimes.

But I guess if there is room for optimism it is more like old poster of cornered mouse shooting the finger at the hawk...gotta do right even when it's hopeless. Good on Bunny. And Prez too, for trying, and all of'em that at least gave a shit. Cynicism sucks, I got too much of it already. It's better to be wrong and act right than be right and act wrong.

Good show tho, unlike most t.v. other than the simpsons

Ydidn;t mention davon getting taken in by the teacher and waving kinda like a bye to the little dude in the stolen SUV. Seems his fate wasn't pre-destined after all. And the scene between weebay and the wife to real.

And when bodie got killed I cried my eyes out. Yes this shit is all too real.

I agree more men in that community need to step up. Sadly there just aren't that many.

[Duckfeet]

Ydidn;t mention davon getting taken in by the teacher and waving kinda like a bye to the little dude in the stolen SUV. Seems his fate wasn't pre-destined after all. And the scene between weebay and the wife to real.

And when bodie got killed I cried my eyes out. Yes this shit is all too real.

I agree more men in that community need to step up. Sadly there just aren't that many.

That's why I said, Bunny stepped up, I just forgot the kid's name, (Davon?), but you knew he would get killed as he wasn't tough enough for the corners. And me too: you could kind of see it coming when Boody talked to Jimmy, knew he would get axed. I'm kind of glad ol'Omar hung in too, and came out ahead...he's always a move ahead, knows the rules of the game, and is the best at it. Prop Joe a close second. I was hoping Marlo and the murdering bitch of his would get killed, but no such luck.

And, probably like you, I was so hoping that young cop would go back up and rescue Randy(?)...from the group home...but still, they keep u interested...now I guess I'll just lay down until next season LOL....

[SpecialGuy69]

just watched it off tivo. That sucks bodie got shot he was my favorite character on the show.

[flipside]

<snip>

I was hoping Marlo and the murdering bitch of his would get killed, but no such luck.

And, probably like you, I was so hoping that young cop would go back up and rescue Randy(?)...from the group home...but still, they keep u interested...now I guess I'll just lay down until next season LOL....

But be sure to get back up again, as there will be a next sason.

^^above..stay tuned could still happen. This is gonna be a long wait!

Time to re-watch the 1st 3 seasons.

Oh and Duck you gotta check our Dexter on Showtime ( on demand if u have it)

ZK turned me onto it and I can't get enough. Spent 3 hours alone tonight watching it. Gonna get off here and watch some more since I can't sleep/ Gotta have something to replace the Wire.

Unlless you haven't seen the earlier seasons,??

There is another thread I know Opyium was only in season 2 or 3, I think,...wonder if he' lonely over there.( and it sounds like DV might start watching to) I can't get enough of this show.! But you never woulda guessed that right?;)

TM: I cried like a baby when Brodie got shot ,even though I saw it coming the episode before when he freaked out and started yelling Fuck Marlo and beat the shit outta that cop car.:(

[SpecialGuy69]

TM: I cried like a baby when Brodie got shot ,even though I saw it coming the episode before when he freaked out and started yelling Fuck Marlo and beat the shit outta that cop car.:(Bodie was the noble, human drug dealer. Even people who hate drugs could look at him and see something beyond a dealer. Well, at least he didn't give in. He defended his corner to the end- it was his for 15 years. I'd like to go out like that- standing my ground, and fighting. Bodie would rather die defending his block than to see marlo take over cause marlo is a savage who follows no code. I liked that about bodie.

I go to a corner dealer who reminds me a lot of a girl bodie. If she went down, I'd be pissed.

btw- my neighborhood is older suburbs, but definitely not hood. But, in the past week, there's been a shooting (murder), a stabbing (lived), OD death, and a very kind dealer got raided. What the fuck! When it was my friends running everything, we never let things get that out of control. It really is like the younger kids coming up now don't have ANY aversion to violence. We used to throw down all the time, carry guns, but it was different then. It seems like my boys were more like omar and prop joe and brodie, and the new kids coming up are like marlo.

I wish I could tell the whole story about how things are, but no amount of SWIM's would protect me.

[flipside]

Bodie was the noble, human drug dealer. Even people who hate drugs could look at him and see something beyond a dealer. Well, at least he didn't give in. He defended his corner to the end- it was his for 15 years. I'd like to go out like that- standing my ground, and fighting. Bodie would rather die defending his block than to see marlo take over cause marlo is a savage who follows no code. I liked that about bodie.

I go to a corner dealer who reminds me a lot of a girl bodie. If she went down, I'd be pissed.

btw- my neighborhood is older suburbs, but definitely not hood. But, in the past week, there's been a shooting (murder), a stabbing (lived), OD death, and a very kind dealer got raided. What the fuck! When it was my friends running everything, we never let things get that out of control. It really is like the younger kids coming up now don't have ANY aversion to violence. We used to throw down all the time, carry guns, but it was different then. It seems like my boys were more like omar and prop joe and brodie, and the new kids coming up are like marlo.

I wish I could tell the whole story about how things are, but no amount of SWIM's would protect me.


I feel you theer dear. There has not really been any code or standing on rep or a man's word since around 88. That's pretty much when it started to slide. You can't possible be surprised at the violence in your neighborhood recenntly?. God it;'s everywhrere.It is creepy when it starts sliding inot the sub urbs into your backyard though. Kinda makes it a little harder to distinguish between the burbs and the hood.

My bother (deceased now no need for SWIM) and it wa all over the Sun for weeks, was heavily involved in moving a lot of with wieght from New York in to DC with Bmore in the midddle. So I know all to well how much it's changed.

But that's just how it is today. Shit kids are shooting each other over a percieved dis or a pair of godmanned tennis shoes. Remeber that shooitng in Dunkin donuts a few years back? Crazy, that's why I moved. Still visit but could not live there anymore. Am scared for my sons that are there and they are not into the scene. The one that was,, in in a maximun security Federal pen for life cause of the 3 x loser law on posession and distributing charges. But no guarantee my other boys are safe .

[flipside]

Jesus, I just read that last post and I almost died on the spot. Freaky, I write that then go home and well,,, yiu know what the situation with my son is. Oh SHIT!

Anyway then point of this post was to remind everyone that The Wire premieres tonight.

See the rest of you fans here tommorrow. Today it's kleenex, snuggly balnkets , ice cream and bed for me.:(

[vicious86]

Jesus, I just read that last post and I almost died on the spot. Freaky, I write that then go home and well,,, yiu know what the situation with my son is. Oh SHIT!

Anyway then point of this post was to remind everyone that The Wire premieres tonight.

See the rest of you fans here tommorrow. Today it's kleenex, snuggly balnkets , ice cream and bed for me.:(


I saw the finally months ago. It was awsome. all the episodes were available 2 weeks after the first episode played on tv. if you want the sit to download let me know

[-Skrilla-]

The wire....Oh my, I think I see Omar at my front door with a shotgun! The Wire is as real as it gets...Hell, half the actors are fresh out of prison, or have actually been in the street game in B-more. "Chris" is the exception, as he is a college athlete, but "snoop", the lesbian killer, is a real street kid, and has served time for assault/robbery drug dealing. The show is the most reliable, credbile show on television and really opens ones eyes to the level of poverty and crime in our country, and just how depraved society can be for poor people. No other show on television captures this brutal and harsh world so entertainingly(lol is that a word?) Bmore is known as Bodymore to any of the local gangsters, and the political aspects of the show are second to none in expressing the relationship between street crime and government.....I say three cheers for the wire to come back!! I am a huge fan, and I hope we can keep this thread going when the new season hits, so we can have some "water-cooler" talk about it....Water cooler talk...wait a minute, that sounds a bit too conformist for me...let's work on coming up with a new phrase besides watercoller talk for puepose sof this forum :D
_skrill
"gotta keep the devil, down in the hole"-Best song ever

[Duckfeet]

The wire....Oh my, I think I see Omar at my front door with a shotgun! The Wire is as real as it gets...Hell, half the actors are fresh out of prison, or have actually been in the street game in B-more. "Chris" is the exception, as he is a college athlete, but "snoop", the lesbian killer, is a real street kid, and has served time for assault/robbery drug dealing. The show is the most reliable, credbile show on television and really opens ones eyes to the level of poverty and crime in our country, and just how depraved society can be for poor people. No other show on television captures this brutal and harsh world so entertainingly(lol is that a word?) Bmore is known as Bodymore to any of the local gangsters, and the political aspects of the show are second to none in expressing the relationship between street crime and government.....I say three cheers for the wire to come back!! I am a huge fan, and I hope we can keep this thread going when the new season hits, so we can have some "water-cooler" talk about it....Water cooler talk...wait a minute, that sounds a bit too conformist for me...let's work on coming up with a new phrase besides watercoller talk for puepose sof this forum :D
_skrill
"gotta keep the devil, down in the hole"-Best song ever

I'm ready for it, great show...that song, too, hit me, because it's a Tom Waits song, and that first year, seemed like once or twice they the did the Waits version...but those kids, thye're great. Only reason I keep HBO...

[Opiyum]

I'm ready for it, great show...that song, too, hit me, because it's a Tom Waits song, and that first year, seemed like once or twice they the did the Waits version...but those kids, thye're great. Only reason I keep HBO...

Thats why i thought of Tom Waits immediately when i first heard the song. I think i may have suggested in this thread that they get him to do it. Now i realize that it was because it was one of his songs. Which one...and which album i cant place it but i now know that ive heard it.

[Duckfeet]

Thats why i thought of Tom Waits immediately when i first heard the song. I think i may have suggested in this thread that they get him to do it. Now i realize that it was because it was one of his songs. Which one...and which album i cant place it but i now know that ive heard it.

yeah, he did a bunch of spriitual, fuck, I don't even know what to call'em but it was kind of funny, gospel groups and such, doing Waits songs. And with Waits u never knew, which was cool, whether he was being ironic--my guess, or got religion, which is what some of these gospel groups hinted at. I mean Terry Gross interviewed some gospel groupo that was doing "Jesus Gonna Be Here, Gonna Be Here Soon." by Waits, and u could tell they didn't know shit about Waits, what he was about, but then I thought, who *does* know, waits is a man of many parts, Deep. And he sure can sing like a blister voiced old black man, when he wants to, he *croaks* them damn blues out....

[flipside]

I saw the finally months ago. It was awsome. all the episodes were available 2 weeks after the first episode played on tv. if you want the sit to download let me know

Yes VC, let me know where to download them all. They are not on HBO on demand anymore, and the local video stores dfon't carry this show.

My bad guys. The episode that aired last night was the Premire of the Wire on BET. Not the sesason premier for season 5. It was from season 3 I believe. Snot Boogie.. member Opy?
I cant wait for the new season to start. esp after just spending 3 weeks down in the hole, like to see how colose they keep it to the streets.

Interesting side note, one of the mian corners I go to.. I went there on my last day normally you just holler your order to the corner boy, he walkie talkies it to the runner who goes into the hole to get it, they wave you up and hit you off collect your money and you go.

This last time there i was told to go sit infront of XXX House ( The guy that owns the block) because there had been a shooting that mornig and they wanted me sfae where the soldiers could keep an ewye on me( I've know these guys for years).

What was not surprising as that they watched out for me but, as I sat there waiting to be served all I could se was the crime scene tape and the mess and kepr thinking a body fell here this am ans it's business as usual. Doesn't get more real than that.

Anyway can't wait for the new episode. Glad there is so much interest in this show.

Whoever made the comment about rthem using real people who are out of jail or old dealers that wer busyted by the writer is correct. Snoop I actually knew back in her days of ripping and running. She wansm't to much different from the character she plays on tv. The older black minister is an former drug kingpin. It;s wild to watch the show and see people I recognize and places I've hung, lived.

[epik022]

ONE OF THE BEST TV SERIES EVER! I CANT GET ENOUGH OF THIS SHOW, I HAVE THE LAST THREE EPISODES OF THIS PAST SEASON. (GREAT QUALITY) ON MY COMPUTER IF ANYONE WANTS TO DOWNLOAD LET ME KNOW AND I CAN UPLOAD THEM TO YOU. PEACE

[scikid]

This was a great season. I started watching this show at the start (I've been a fan of David Simon for awhile) and am glad that its finally getting the recognition it deserves.

[mikey5string]

I haven't seen a thread devoted to the best show on television....ever. For any of you who haven't seen it, you need to go pick up season 1 and get started. It took me a few episodes to get into it but once i did it was all over.

any other fans?

whats your favorite season?

whos your favorite character?

whats your favorite scene?

[wisegal]

i'll check it out

[Ludakris]

I haven't seen a thread devoted to the best show on television....ever. For any of you who haven't seen it, you need to go pick up season 1 and get started. It took me a few episodes to get into it but once i did it was all over.

any other fans?

whats your favorite season?

whos your favorite character?

whats your favorite scene?

Care to give a quick synopsis of what it's about? I've passed over it several times on TV, it's definitely not a show that you can look at for 5 min and decide that you wanna watch it...

[nick]

The Wire is that rare beast-a TV show that encourages you to think.

The first 4 seasons are amazing.Season 5 is very good,but not as good and I'm glad they didn't bother with season 6,which was going to be about the impact of the hispanic community on american society.

Fav character....BUBBLES.

Fav scene,I think it's season 1.After Bubbles has kicked he goes to sit in a park and watches the kids play and the sunshine breaking the branches.You can feel his fear,confusion and hope.I've been there and never discussed it-let alone see it in television.

[mikey5string]

basically its set in baltimore, MD.

each season focuses on a different aspect/institution within the city.
season 1 is drug (heroin) dealers and the police. the pd is tryingto take down a drug ring. their main tool in doing this is a phone tap (wire).

the rest of the seasons focus on schools, media and politics. each season takes elements, characters from the seasons before. the whole series is like one huge story with plot lines carrying over and characters reappearing/ stories overlapping.

the depiction of the dope game is as real as it gets. although ive never been to baltimore i have been to open air markets/hoods and they get it right.

its hard to give a synopsis of it as its really vast all i can say is rent/buy season 1 and start watching. like you said, its hard to get into it cold. like i said, it took me about 3 episodes before i was hooked. but its worth it.

think of it as a good book. its more like that than a tv series. you have to think in terms of seasons rather than episodes. i had seasons 1 and 2 on DVD but i lent them out because im so egar to share and have someone to talk to about the show. if i had them i would lend them out as long as when person 1 finsihed theyd send it along to person 2 etc...

[Dirt McGirt]

I haven't seen a thread devoted to the best show on television....ever. For any of you who haven't seen it, you need to go pick up season 1 and get started. It took me a few episodes to get into it but once i did it was all over.

any other fans?

whats your favorite season?

whos your favorite character?

whats your favorite scene?

Favorite Season: 3. But unlike most, I loved Season 2 as well.

Favorite Character: Omar. Bodie and McNulty are close though.

Favorite Scene: Stringer, Omar, Brother Mouzone, abandon building, Season 3. I won't spoil it. ;)

To be honest, there are alot of excellent scenes, but there are tons of just flat out sad ones. Which is why its such a great show. So many characters die, I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it. But its about the streets. There has to be death and desperation.

[Opiofiend]

I haven't seen a thread devoted to the best show on television....ever. For any of you who haven't seen it, you need to go pick up season 1 and get started. It took me a few episodes to get into it but once i did it was all over.

any other fans?

whats your favorite season?

whos your favorite character?

whats your favorite scene?




It's about fuckn time someone agreed with me that this is the best drama ever made. Ever! The wAy it breaks down the entire workings of a troubled modern American city is unparalleld. From the twisted politics to the defunct school systems all the way through to the homicides tied to the bullshit drug war. I watched it when it was originally on and more
recently watched all five seasons again on demand over the summer. I give the creators credit to for trying to legitimately fight Against the drug war by pubically stating that Anyone on a non violent drug offender jury vote to Acquit regardless. And this from guys who spent their lives in the trenches of the bs drug wAr. Anyway check it out and props to the op for this thread

[Larry]

Def the best shit on tv, season 2 is my favorite

omar little

[Silencer]

Its quite the TV show. I downloaded it onto my HDX which basically allows me to download any show or movie I want off the internet (through torrents). (Off the subject but these HDX things are amazing!) I just finished a run through of The Sopranos about a month back and now am working on the 3rd season of The Wire. Its a pretty good show but nothing too amazing. Its pretty cool how it ties in the politics, drugs and life of your average Baltimore citizen. I'd give it a 7.5 if I were ranking it compared to The Sopranos which would get a definite 10.

[Ickyuck]

I was living in Baltimore at the time they were filming the first season. I met the cast, even danced with Dominic West. Man those were fun times. Having worked with the Baltimore Police, I can say that the series is EXTREMELY similar to "real life" Baltimore.

I guess the first season will always be my favorite, because you were introduced to the characters and immediately got wrapped up into a world of suspense. I think my favorite thing is when they use the police helicopter, Fox Trot. In Baltimore you always see and hear it!!! I miss those days so much!!!http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6756/sigha.gif

[duck]

Eh, it's ok.

[Dirt McGirt]

Eh, it's ok.

What!?! How the fuck could you say that? How dare you say you don't like The Wire? You probably just don't know the streets...kidding. Its cool.:p

[hovadagod]

I can't get into it. idk. I feel like I should really like it but don't.

[Woody Bear]

I watched all 5 series and enjoyed them all.

[Chipper]

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My all-time fav. TV series. 1000 characters, one or two directly from the street and many with street origins.

Fav. characters : Omar/Stringer/Proposition Joe then Bubbles then Marlo then Bunk then Senator Clay Davis.

Most memorable season: Season 2 because it's at the Container Terminal plus it's got Ziggy.

Multiple medium-to-long arcs running concurrently. Clever and complex television; 60+ hours of the perspectives on and the players in the dope trade and begs the viewer to question the drug war.
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[Larkin]

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My all-time fav. TV series. 1000 characters, one or two directly from the street and many with street origins.

Fav. characters : Omar/Stringer/Proposition Joe then Bubbles then Marlo then Bunk then Senator Clay Davis.

Most memorable season: Season 2 because it's at the Container Terminal plus it's got Ziggy.

Multiple medium-to-long arcs running concurrently. Clever and complex television; 60+ hours of the perspectives on and the players in the dope trade and begs the viewer to question the drug war.
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I didnt like season 2 that much when i start to watch it because it took a huge turn from season 1 and I was prepared to see the majority of the same characters in season 2. But as i watched it, I really really liked it. I love the series as a whole and I think HBO makes the best shows!!

[Duckfeet]

I haven't seen a thread devoted to the best show on television....ever. For any of you who haven't seen it, you need to go pick up season 1 and get started. It took me a few episodes to get into it but once i did it was all over.

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You gotta be kidding. I guess you didn't UTFSE ;)...I'm gonna merge your thread...soon...why? See:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4094

[clonaze-whammed]

You gotta be kidding. I guess you didn't UTFSE ;)...I'm gonna merge your thread...soon...why? See:

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=4094


you cant search for "the wire" because the words are too small and get rejected by the search engine.

Ive also tried to find a thread on the wire unsuccessfully, the film and footage forum didnt display the older thread for some reason.

Anyway, yeah - definitely my favourite TV series of all time. Gotta love the montage at each season finale, especially season 2 about the port.

[mikey5string]

ok. just read the whole thread. it was great. i was like watching season 4 all over again. some good insights. like your commentary DF. i always do though. you need to write a book and im serious. why not? you write well and im sure youve got a shitton of stories.


i dont know why but i fucking can not operate the search engine here. i always try but end up getting kicked to that "refine your search page" or hit with tons of irrelevant threads.

i like to search the old fashioned way. digging through forums. i always end up on a good old thread there and forget what i was looking for. thats how i found rach's cambodia thread. i read that and i wanted more. so i found his bluelight blog and read that. spend a good chunk of the day and im glad i did.

oh well.

still looks like some people havent heard of it so maybe the bump will turn a few people on.

[Duckfeet]

you cant search for "the wire" because the words are too small and get rejected by the search engine.

Ive also tried to find a thread on the wire unsuccessfully, the film and footage forum didnt display the older thread for some reason.

Anyway, yeah - definitely my favourite TV series of all time. Gotta love the montage at each season finale, especially season 2 about the port.


I found it first shot, but I learned a long time ago to use google search engine and just punch site name in, works a lot better: and this particular thread was ongoing and popular, so I remembered it. But on our search engine? just have to put it in quotes: "the wire" and it pops right up...

ok. just read the whole thread. it was great. i was like watching season 4 all over again. some good insights. like your commentary DF. i always do though. you need to write a book and im serious. why not? you write well and im sure youve got a shitton of stories.


i dont know why but i fucking can not operate the search engine here. i always try but end up getting kicked to that "refine your search page" or hit with tons of irrelevant threads.

i like to search the old fashioned way. digging through forums. i always end up on a good old thread there and forget what i was looking for. thats how i found rach's cambodia thread. i read that and i wanted more. so i found his bluelight blog and read that. spend a good chunk of the day and im glad i did.

oh well.

still looks like some people havent heard of it so maybe the bump will turn a few people on.

Yep: no worries, search engine here sucks...it's a good thread, and I liked both The Wire, and the thread too, and once The Wire ended, I turned off my t.v., canceled Cox, and just use cable for internet, now: the show was great...

[upstate_007]

The Wire was by far one of my favorite things on TV.

Favorite Season: #3. But I truly enjoyed them all. I really liked the ideas and problems explored with the semi-legalization in "Hamsterdam".

Favorite Character: "Snoop" she was cold-blooded in a scary and all too real way. "Bubbles" because he felt like one of us.

I should probably watch them all again at some point.

[Dirt McGirt]

Favorite Character: "Snoop" she was cold-blooded in a scary and all too real way.

All too real indeed: http://www.citypaper.com/arts/story.asp?id=15035

[upstate_007]

All too real indeed: http://www.citypaper.com/arts/story.asp?id=15035

That's part of what made her character even scarier to me.

[Indy]

I love The Wire...I watched the whole series in like a week or two, couldn't stop watching it. I should watch it again sometime. Favorite season is probably the first, following the Barksdale crew, and my favorite character was probably DeAngelo

[mikey5string]

i liked the stanfield organization a little more than barksdale.

mostly because of chris & snoop. who are two of my favorite characters.

[nodrover]

Yo everyone......When I first saw this thread, I did a little digging online, and found a site that had all the seasons, and all the episodes-streaming for anyone to see at the click of a mouse. Here is the link, if anyone missed an episode or has never seen it. http://www.surfthechannel.com/show/254.html. I wanted to say thanks to the OP for introducing me to this show, IMO it is better than The Shield, which was my favorite until I found this!:)