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vaxn8

10-31-2006, 04:07 PM

OK, i got sick of logging out everytime I wanted to read a response, so I'm going to update that thread here. I also posted a pic earlier of what the vials in my area are looking like, and had a few questions about color so I'll add another pic here.

So, I was supposed to meet him this AM. Partly to pick up and also because he wanted to talk about something and hasn't wanted to say what it was over the phone. So, I ask him what time is good for him and he wants to do really early, which is fine with me. Kind of broke another sterotype I guess I had that they all sleep in!

Anyway, we meet and it's pretty crazy hot in the area. A lot of kids going to school get their busses, so not a really great time to be hanging out there. He didn't have what I had asked for, so he said he brought enough to make it until lunch, then we could meet at a place where we could get something to eat. I was fine with that and just really releived that he had something with him, when he said he couldn't get it all, I almost had a heart attack right there!

So, we arrange a time for later in the afternoon I go to work, am feeling a lot better by that point, but still having no clue about what he's being so mysterious about. I get to the place we're meeting first, and he calls and says he's really close, so I'm just having a coke reading my book, like a good little commuter or lunch breakee. Finally, it's getting to be 20 minutes later than when he said he'd be there, so I text and ask if he's close because I have to get back to work.

He calls and wants me to go outside, too much heat in the area (I don't know what was up today, but it's been crazy cops everywhere). So, I go out and he's handing me my stuff and at the same time gives me a set of keys. I'm thinking, WTF??? So, i say what's with the keys. He started laughing and said oh, just an accident, so I hand them back and ask him what's going on with him. He said, "i need to know what kind of scientist you are and what you have done before". Then says, we can't talk right now, too many people around so we'll continue this.

OK, weird question, but I tell him quickly that I'm primarily doing all virology now, but just about everything else has been pharm/tox or heme/onc related. He said cool, so does that mean chemistry. I told him yes, it was one of my undergrad majors. Then he had to go and i had to fly back to work. So, I think I'm more confused but also very releived that he is not retiring or anything crazy like that! He also gave me this afternoon what i should have received in the AM, so my AM stuff was no charge, but I thought that was fair because i had to go out of my way to meet up with him again.

So, a few people asked about the color in this area- the pics I posted earlier were pretty empty vials. This pic is more granular than usual but pretty consistent with the color. It is an excellent creamer to add to your coffee, or so I'm told:D

insanesteveo

10-31-2006, 05:03 PM

it sounds like hes conspiring to have you make some H for him. or something like that. maybe he has some fentanyl and needs your opinion on how to put it in the H or something. i would hope its something simple like the latter, or else you would be getting into some major shit. pray he doesnt steal you and lock you in the basement and have you there all day synthing chemicals :)(thats a horrible thing to say, ignore that)

SpecialGuy69

10-31-2006, 05:06 PM

well vax- you know what he wants now- he wants you to try a synth or purification. Could be for dope, meth, fent, whatever. My advice- is tell him it's impossible for you to do. Chances are good you could make a lot of money combining your chemistry skills with his dealing skills. But, do you want to do that? I would. But I'm dumb like that.

oh yea- nice dope, too! Enjoy, vax!

nick

10-31-2006, 05:11 PM

Glad you got your gear Vax .Something none of us had considered is maybe he wants to make use of your scientific talents,you could have a second job as a dope cook.
My outlook is pretty bleak at the moment and I maybe maligning this fine upstanding dope dealer,but I'm still cynical about the deal.So keep your guard up and take care.

blackdog

10-31-2006, 06:52 PM

well if you were to ask me what i think i would have to say that it sounds like he might be needing your advice and/or expertise in the stepping and stretching aspect of doing a dance on the product.boy oh boy wouldnt that be nice of them to actually ask us users what would work or be best for that purpose instead of those no good money grubbers that think nothing of using anything for cutting reasons.
dawgg

flipside

10-31-2006, 06:56 PM

Ok V, I warned ya, drool drool, now I'm booking the flight and will be home in 3 hours, get that spare room ready!!

vaxn8

10-31-2006, 07:07 PM

^ Ha, thought you might like that, doesn't it make you think "home sweet home"????

All really good ideas and definite possibilites. The boring and other possibility is he has something going on with him health wise and wants to talk to someone about it. As for tm's question, I'm not sure what I would do. I am sure I wouldn't risk anything at work. Because of the virus i work with, we just have too many cameras. I also love this place and wouldn't want to do anything to risk it!

About being locked in the basement? Hey that's fine with me, just keep me supplied and let me out to run around everyonce in awhile. That really wouldn't be much different from right now and the amount of time i spend burried in my lab :D

And my last pic of the day. The other question I always get is how I use a butterfly with a filter. It also makes it easy to understand how I can try something then add more if i need to without sticking another vein. This one also shows what I get everyonce in awhile when I get some really nice stuff- the swelling up by the knuckle (I don't have mutant monsterous-sized knuckles just get swelling and bumps temporarily with the stronger stuff (stronger vitamins that is). If you don't like needles stuck in finger veins, I warn you don't look!

EDIT: I meant to explain more of the pic for those who haven't worked with a butterfly. As you can see, the needle has tubing attached. There is actually a foot of tubing, but it's all wrapped around the fingers. The bright blue thing is a syringe filter that removes everything larger than 0.2 micrometers (0.0000002 meters) and filters out bad stuff like bacteria and particles from contaminants. Attached to that is just a regular old 3cc syringe. That can keep being reused since everything is sterilized by the filter.

vaxn8

10-31-2006, 07:08 PM

OK Flip- let me finish up here- I'll be done by midnight and give me 20 minutes to clean and I'm ready!!!! Seriously just let me know if you're on your way!

AWOL

10-31-2006, 08:17 PM

I am sure I wouldn't risk anything at work. Because of the virus i work with, we just have too many cameras. I also love this place and wouldn't want to do anything to risk it!

Amen to that. Good adivse for anyone, good jobs are far and few.

Ragdoll

10-31-2006, 08:44 PM

Vax, I won't even pretend to have the experience to advise you. But my gut feeling in general is that I'm wary about the dude asking you what kind of scientist you are. I mean, all is cool with whatever you would choose to be involved with - just (like you & others said) not so your job is at risk in any way.

Take care of yourself, sister.

Peace,
Rags

CUBErt

10-31-2006, 08:50 PM

The plot thickens...

ZodiacKiller

11-01-2006, 02:34 AM

I gotta say, vax, your 'creamer' looks amazingly similar to the 'creamer' available in my area....and i think we're about 1000 miles apart. maybe less, but still...just had to say it 'cause it was like looking at the same stuff.

ZK

Powdered Love

11-01-2006, 03:14 AM

Vax, my advice to you would be to stop posting about stuff so personal... I mean I'll be honest, I've been interested in the development of your story, but think about what you are doing.. this forum is not private, and one would be stupid to believe that the heat isn't reading every word of what we're saying, or to believe that one is totally anonymous and un-traceable. You really need to be careful. I just have a bad feeling...

Oh, and please don't take this comment as me trying to be an asshole or something, I'm just looking out. I really do have a bad feeling here...

nick

11-01-2006, 03:40 AM

kyuss

11-01-2006, 09:26 AM

If you make the product
I am officially offering
my services
as a testing guinea pig

flipside

11-01-2006, 09:34 AM

Ok, soultion, I don't think my dad's lab has camera's in it, up a few stairs. we could hide out there after hours and play away I still even have my emplyee ID!

Orbitz just sent me an e-mail about a online discount, must be a sign.

Levity

11-01-2006, 05:37 PM

I've been following this like a housewife watched soap operas.
I hope you get to do something exciting next!

I ca;t wait for the next episode/update.

vaxn8

11-02-2006, 06:54 AM

I gotta say, vax, your 'creamer' looks amazingly similar to the 'creamer' available in my area....and i think we're about 1000 miles apart.

That's really interesting, must be coming from the east. That is really common around here, either the color I showed or very dark like tm420 posted a while back. Sometimes, the lighter is stronger other times the darker is, so I've just decided you can't tell anything by color alone.

Vax, my advice to you would be to stop posting about stuff so personal...

I didn't take it as you trying to be an ass or anything like that, appreciate the concern. I do change details that aren't important to what i'm trying to get across.

If you make the product
I am officially offering
my services
as a testing guinea pig

That's pretty funny, but I have seriously though about doing stuff like that many times, and don't think I could ever let anyone try anything I had made until I had tried it or knew it was safe. Obviously with my background, many things wouldn't be very difficult to do, I would just feel horrible if I made someone sick or worse injured them. I think that's part of what's kept me away from doing it. I don't understand how people can do really shitty kitchen synths and put it straight out on the street. If I was doing anything like that, it would be labeled with strength, contents everything, that's probably why I don't do it, I wouldn't make any money doing all the quality control I would want to do. I just see so many reactions go wrong under controlled lab settings and can't imagine how bad stuff gets trying to do anything that technical at home or in a trailer.

Ok, soultion, I don't think my dad's lab has camera's in it, up a few stairs. we could hide out there after hours and play away I still even have my emplyee ID!

Orbitz just sent me an e-mail about a online discount, must be a sign.

Actually, NWA has sales right now out of MSP, $119!!! We've got cameras all over the building now, it's just worse in my area.

I've been following this like a housewife watched soap operas.

Pretty funny, I bet you though that it's going to have a boring ending like, he calls up and tells me he needs a colonoscopy or some freaky procedure and just wants to know what they'll do to him. It'll be something like that! Or, something like what can I cut with that wouldn't be obvious.

nick

11-02-2006, 07:03 AM

I must say your "pretend" pics of obviously fake dope,look very similar to Afghan no2 which is all over the UK,it's all we virtually ever see.If it is Afghan no2 it's better than pure diamorphine.
Do you have to use citric?I mean,would one have to use citric?
Plus I've never known anyone to use a butterfly,does it register clearly? Hypothetically of course.
P.S. At least I got through this post without using SWIM.Hate SWIM.

SpecialGuy69

11-02-2006, 09:52 AM

Levity

11-02-2006, 10:02 AM

nick

11-02-2006, 10:52 AM

Nick- I (could) cop in the same city as Vax, and nobody I know uses anything but water. It's not known as afghan, but could very well be- this shit is everywhere- ZK said (he hears) it looks the same all the way up where he is, too. (Would) you have to use citric on the afghan in UK?

All lies and theories, of course.

Yeah, SWIM is a dick, never liked him.
Hi bro,yes the Afaghan no2 needs citric or you get a nasty mess in the spoon and one hell of a bad hit or so I'm told be total strangers I meet randomly,that have nothing to do with my life.
This fake dope in the picture looks darker and more granule based than the lightish powder you get here,or so the papers say.
The fake dope looks like good dope should, maybe better than Afaghan no2.It could be number one.Something like 90% of the worlds dope comes from Helmand province Afaghanistan.
I'm told,dope is only £25/$45 a g in most of the UK,that's what they say anyway.

nick

11-02-2006, 10:55 AM

Shit isn't everywhere.
Damn sure isn't here.
I want some horsey.
Mommy I want a pony for Christmas!
Levity bro,remember a horse isn't just for christmas,it's for LIFE.
p.S. Sorry,just realised you might not get this.A pet isn't just for christmas,it's for life,is an old animal charity slogan from the UK.Hell,it wasn't very funny anyway-I'm hanging my head in shame,us brits and our sense of humour,huh.

Levity

11-02-2006, 11:58 AM

Levity bro,remember a horse isn't just for christmas,it's for LIFE.
p.S. Sorry,just realised you might not get this.A pet isn't just for christmas,it's for life,is an old animal charity slogan from the UK.Hell,it wasn't very funny anyway-I'm hanging my head in shame,us brits and our sense of humour,huh.

A Brit with a sense of humor is about as rare a H in my area.

As a side note, I still want a fucking Horse to ride. Well, actually, a Dragon to chase, and I'm not driving 200 miles to try and cop in a city I hate.

Sorry, rant mode off.

vaxn8

11-02-2006, 12:12 PM

I must say your "pretend" pics of obviously fake dope,look very similar to Afghan no2 which is all over the UK,Do you have to use citric?I mean,would one have to use citric?
Plus I've never known anyone to use a butterfly,does it register clearly? Hypothetically of course.
P.S. At least I got through this post without using SWIM.Hate SWIM.

I hate swim as well. Most of the time I have to delete my meanly sarcastic references to people who overuse it! I especially hate when it's used for things that aren't even wrong to be doing. Like, "SWIM is going to the doctor this week". Now why the fuck would you need to use swim, is seeing a doc all of a sudden illegal? That kind of use drives me crazy!! [ok end of useless rant]

I've never seen afghan #2, i'll have to see if i can find a pic to compare it myself. The local stuff is not a vase and therefore doesn't require acid to get into solution. That reminds me of something I meant to say. The picture in the little baggie shows a very common color, but I felt the consistency was a little odd from what I'm used to hearing about. It was very powdery with few rocky-type chunks. Normally, I hear there is more rocks so the snorters would have to chop it up some I guess (not sure, i'm not a snorter, but i'm assuming they don't snort rocks or chunks).

The other odd thing was this stuff was 100% saline soluble. There is usually some kind of insoluble cut that just wasn't in this stuff, or so I'm told (actually, I just asked swim and he says the same thing;) - he normally sees a little residue after dissolution). I'm sure it was cut with something, whatever it was, was different from what is normally seen here.

Shit isn't everywhere.
Damn sure isn't here.
I want some horsey.
Mommy I want a pony for Christmas!

Nick's right! That horsey is a pretty damn cool xmas gift, but the damn thing is going to park it's ass in your living room and just is not going to leave very easily! That's the bad thing about horses, once you let them in, you're not going to have an easy time getting rid of them. They also shit all over the place and make a big mess of everything!

This fake dope in the picture looks darker and more granule based than the lightish powder you get here,or so the papers say.
The fake dope looks like good dope should, maybe better than Afaghan no2.It could be number one.

When you say granular, are you saying you guys see a softer looking powder in your area? I'm not sure I'm getting my question across very well, but I'm trying to understand the difference in what you guys see and what we have. I'm not sure the pics shows this well, but I guess the whole bag was quite powdery instead of the more common little rocky shaped things. The new stuff was a very soft powder with a few, more common tiny little rocks included. I'm told in real-life it's actually a bit lighter than the picture makes it appear but is probably about the lightest seen in this area. There is a pretty broad range from this color (actually lighter though) to stuff that looks more like what tm had posted for his area (very dark brown and hard, dense rocks).

I would guess that we're seeing #4 here. Number one is the morphine base from what I understand. I just looked it up to confirm that (i always confuse the numbers because we don't use the nubmering system much in this area), and this is the table I found from UNODC (united nations office of drugs and crime). So number one would be "pre-acetylation" - and wouldn't last as long as diacetyl. For some reason, in my brain even though i know it's not correct I think #1 should be better than #2, which should be better than #3, ect.... That is not the case, and I think it comes more from the order of the synthesis and how far the product goes in the purification protocol, i.e. #1 doesn't go far, #2 is a step farther, #3 further work, ect.

Heroin No. 1

Crude morphine is sometimes called Heroin No. 1.Heroin No. 2Heroin base prior to its conversion to the hydrochloric salt: white to off-white, pale grey or dark brown, solid or powdered.Heroin No. 3Smokable form of heroin, not as highly refined as Heroin No.4: hard granular material from light brown to dark grey, sometimes red or pink coloured, containing 25-45% of heroin hydrochloride and other substances such as caffeine, etc.Heroin No. 4Injectable form of heroin: white powder with little odour and without adulterants, purity up to 98% heroin hydrochloride.

vaxn8

11-02-2006, 12:15 PM

nick

11-02-2006, 12:27 PM

The dope here is a fine powder,ranging from sand to light brown.It's the same consistency as talc.Sometimes it's a little grittier,but that might be the cut at this end.
Thanks for the table,never seen that before.I say it's afgahan no2,because that's what dealers and the papers here descibe it as.One of the few things the dealers and the papers agree on,but I'm not sure because you can smoke whatever afgahni junk we have.
Levity bro,Vax is right,there is junk there somewhere,it's everywhere.

Levity

11-02-2006, 12:40 PM

lev- are you on a tiny island or in the middle of the desert????? It's gotta be there somewhere, the tricky part is finding where the dragon hides! I bet if ya undressed up (i don't think that's a word) and looked for some ladies of the evening, they'd help ya find the right place. You could also try a city that you liked better than the one you mentioned- you'd probably get a cleaner product and better price!

SWIM (for those DEA trolling bastards) is friends with a high up in the area. He basicly runs the cocaine in our fair town. He and I also share a pharmacological fascination, so when SWIM brought up the H question, he told me it doesn't make it's way to this area. He can't even get it in.

The nearest city I could go is New Orleans, but I don't like coping there. SWIM used to make runs there, muling for extra cash in his undergraduate days, and has an aversion to the city.

H is around, but it's rare and incredibly hard to come across.

So sad, since I've always wanted to pet a pony.

vaxn8

11-02-2006, 03:19 PM

Thanks for the table,never seen that before.I say it's afgahan no2,because that's what dealers and the papers here descibe it as.One of the few things the dealers and the papers agree on,but I'm not sure because you can smoke whatever afgahni junk we have.
Levity bro,Vax is right,there is junk there somewhere,it's everywhere.

I like that table too, is explains it clearly (at least I understand it that way). I always see people's individual versions and interpretations and that is why I get so confused with the numbering. You guys are definitely getting #2 for the majority, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some #4 but probably pretty rare.

I think the smokers and snorters are really the most versatile, they can get away with any grade without too much work! Since there is no reason to solubilize it, unless they want to purify, as long as it's a solid they're good to go (as long as v. pressure is ok).

I would also agree with ya Nick, I don't think there's a spot on this planet (well at least not a civilized spot) that doesn't have it somewhere. Getting it and finding the right guy may seem impossible, but it's there!

A funny note about dealers.... My boss is off for jury duty. She was selected for a case and just called to talk about it. This coke boy got caught with over 50 bags and is trying to fight the distribution charge! Sounds pretty pointless to me, that's just a bit too much for personal use!

nick

11-02-2006, 03:26 PM

I like that table too, is explains it clearly (at least I understand it that way). I always see people's individual versions and interpretations and that is why I get so confused with the numbering. You guys are definitely getting #2 for the majority, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some #4 but probably pretty rare.

I think the smokers and snorters are really the most versatile, they can get away with any grade without too much work! Since there is no reason to solubilize it, unless they want to purify, as long as it's a solid they're good to go (as long as v. pressure is ok).

I would also agree with ya Nick, I don't think there's a spot on this planet (well at least not a civilized spot) that doesn't have it somewhere. Getting it and finding the right guy may seem impossible, but it's there!

A funny note about dealers.... My boss is off for jury duty. She was selected for a case and just called to talk about it. This coke boy got caught with over 50 bags and is trying to fight the distribution charge! Sounds pretty pointless to me, that's just a bit too much for personal use!
Solubilize,beautiful.I'd have said make in to solution.I hope that's what it means,I don't want to look dumber than usual.
50 bags the poor kid is doomed.How long could he get for 50 bags?

Curio

11-02-2006, 04:44 PM

Shit isn't everywhere.
Damn sure isn't here.
I want some horsey.
Mommy I want a pony for Christmas!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/pony.jpg

Curio

11-02-2006, 04:47 PM

vax
that's a way neater setup than I ever thought of...I was thinking folks with hard to find veins that are weekend warriors could just do a saline lock and not try to find new veins for each hit, but this is better because of the purity filter setup, etc...what about clotting off? Or with your clot factor issues, do you not have to worry about it?
butterflies being so small I am sure mine would clot very fast; even with a missed hit/syringe I have an incredibly short window to remedy the situation before all is lost :(

AWOL

11-02-2006, 05:13 PM

I didn't take it as you trying to be an ass or anything like that, appreciate the concern. I do change details that aren't important to what i'm trying to get across.

I change a lot of details, I insert a lot of details too. I'm paranoid.

vaxn8

11-02-2006, 06:10 PM

Solubilize,beautiful.I'd have said make in to solution.I hope that's what it means,50 bags the poor kid is doomed.How long could he get for 50 bags?

Exactly what it means! I say it all the time, but actually just had to look it up to make sure it was truly a proper word! It seems like some of those words that get used all the time, but they aren't truly english words, like "gotten" is that truly a word???? English is NOT my best subject!

vax
that's a way neater setup than I ever thought of...I was thinking folks with hard to find veins that are weekend warriors could just do a saline lock and not try to find new veins for each hit, but this is better because of the purity filter setup, etc...what about clotting off? Or with your clot factor issues, do you not have to worry about it?
butterflies being so small I am sure mine would clot very fast; even with a missed hit/syringe I have an incredibly short window to remedy the situation before all is lost :(

I've been using this set up or slight variations for several years now. Although it's more to carry than an insulin or tb rig, I find it's worth it. Weekends only may be a bit too much to ask of a hep-lock. It may work if it was flushed frequently enough, but is pretty risky. Obviously a port or CVC would be awesome and an amazingly (may be another made up word) convienent way to go, it would be tough to get one put in without a pretty good reason!

I don't have any problems with them clotting ever, but they're only staying in 15-20 minutes max. I have in the past left them in overnight (during times when i was having an especially difficult time with my veins). I've done this a couple times, and didn't want to try to "lock" it with heparin (because of my clotting probs), so what I did was flush it with sterile saline every time i thought about it. I've been able to keep them open for somewhere around 15-20 hours this way. For someone without clotting probs, they could fill the tubing with hep/saline and that would help alot to keep it open. The only problem with this is you have to be fairly immobile, they've got the sharp needle end, not a plastic catheter like an iv catheter would have.

The needle in the pic is a 27G (3/4" I believe). I have been able to use that size easily in very, very tiny hand veins (and knuckle) as well as foot/heel/side of foot veins. I have EXTREMELY difficult veins. My pain doc has been trying to get blood from me for 2 years. He has sent me to peds, ped heme/onc, the old people specialists, the emergency iv team, and others. Every department in the hospital has had a shot at my veins and not been able to get me. Now why I can do it several times a day, and they can't manage once, I'll never understand! My jugs are in great shape- they just won't use them on an outpatient draw- so instead they just put me through the torture of letting everyone try until they give up. Oh, the point of all that was that my veins are hard- can't see them, the ones i have are deep and roll a lot. Even with all this, I have a much easier time with the flies than i would with a straight needle.

I actually tried a straight needle for the first time in quite a while about 3 months ago. After 4 or 5 misses, i went back to the fly and got the first try. If you've got difficult veins, this is a great way to go. You shouldn't run into any problems with them clotting off unless you're trying to keep them in for a time period. I fill mine with saline with everything attached just like the person in the picture (I must say, it was hard to finally find someone who shoots the same way I do!!;) ). Then i tie off, hit the vein, pull off the tourni, push the saline through to make sure everything is okay and that it is in good. Then i switch over to my vitamin of choice push that through, I follow that with several syringes full of saline- don't want to leave ANYTHING on the filter! It makes it very easy if you need to test something, especially stuff from the street- you can easily do a tiny bit see how it is and then do however much you need. The downside is because it is so easy to keep adding more, you can very easily do more than you want to and run out faster! That is a HUGE downside and why i think about switching back to syringes with straight needles every once in awhile. Also, the cost is a down side. It's been a while since i bought a straight needled syringe, but i think these flies run about $0.35- $0.70 per fly depending on brand and size.

CT- i've also been able to hit more things in weird places with flies than i would be able to hit with a reguar syringe. I'm not sure if it's the tubing or the wings, but it's definitely a different feel (I'm sure you know what they feel like to work with) and i can hit some crazy things. This is not at all recommended nor is it smart, but in desperate times, I've hit the palm veins, the palm side of the finger, knuckles, toes, side of the heel, all sorts of crazy places i wouldn't try with anything else.

That's probably a lot more than answering your question, but I know a lot of people aren't familiar with how they work (everytime i mention that i use them, i get a lot of questions about what they are and how they work), so that was what a lot of the explanation was for. I'm sure you know exactly what i'm talking about!

Nick-awile back in this thread, you asked about how they register. If you look at the pic closely, you can actually see a little of the blood return on this patient. Once you insert the needle, you will get a return very similar to what you see with a regular needle. If you were to draw back on the syringe, you can use the butterfly to draw blood. They are meant to be used for both infusion and blood draws- convienent little bitches!

CT- i just reread your quote that i included... If you were talking about putting a butterfly in for the weekend to use throughout that weekend, I didn't read it that way the first time. It would be possible, but you run into the issue of having the sharp tip inside of you and it's tough to keep in if you're moving around at all. If you were even stuck in bed for the weekend, it would be tricky. It's definitely way easier and safer with a regular old iv catheter. I'm always tempted to switch to those, but I think i'd end up in way too much trouble and use way too much with one of those!

AWOL

11-02-2006, 08:10 PM

It seems like some of those words that get used all the time, but they aren't truly english words, like "gotten" is that truly a word????

Past participle of get.

exitwound

11-02-2006, 09:32 PM

Well, there are certainly advantages in changing the supplier-consumer relationship and getting on the other side of the cash flow equation......especially for the user. And the chronic pain sufferer. If I knew more local junkies, I would definitely want to grow large poppy crops and be one of the few legit small-scale opium dealers in the country, along with a rotating stock of every other exotic & typical opiate I could get my hands on. Plus of course the finest medicinal-grade cannabis. And it would come with the kind of expert advice that virtually no dealer can offer.

Just remember to only get in as deep as you are comfortable with and feel that you can safely handle. I strongly reccomend things like investing in proper weapons, armor, security & self-defense items if you're going to go there.....hopefully you will never have to use them but you will always be prepared.

And screw the LEOs who see the above as a sign that violence and drug dealing have to go together. I am saying this only for defensive purposes, and there are many people involved with drugs that would never turn their weapons on innocent bystanders or other people. But I digress.....

SpecialGuy69

11-02-2006, 09:55 PM

Vaxn8 your just full of wizdom- it never ceases to amaze me. Fascinating.

This may be a dumb question, but I haven't spent a lot of time in hospitals/with IV's at all- is your setup (fly/filter/syringe) something that is used in regular medicine, or did you rig it up from spare parts? If docs use these, what for? Or is this more of a research thing? Can a regular person buy this shit (the rig, guys-relax)?

Don't worry I'm not about to start IV'ing, I'm just intrigued by this engineering marvel of a rig! And I have a few friends who could definitely use a cleaner setup- seems like all of my friends are sloppy shooters, lots of misses, etc.

I even have one friend (in jail now) who would just pincushion his arm over & over when bangin coke- he would register, then pull it out, and do this over & over, just perforating his arm. It would get to the point where I'd be like "push the fuckin button, asshole!" cause it started to get gross with him bleeding all over the floor. I have a few friends who IV, and it never bothers me at all, it's just this one guy had really unclean injections, and the poking over & over was sick. Is this common? Sorry for all the questions.

madnesscult

11-02-2006, 10:54 PM

I even have one friend (in jail now) who would just pincushion his arm over & over when bangin coke- he would register, then pull it out, and do this over & over, just perforating his arm. It would get to the point where I'd be like "push the fuckin button, asshole!" cause it started to get gross with him bleeding all over the floor. I have a few friends who IV, and it never bothers me at all, it's just this one guy had really unclean injections, and the poking over & over was sick. Is this common? Sorry for all the questions.

Sounds like you friend was a masochist. I have no idea what the hell he was doing. As for missed shots, they're probably not terribly experienced IV users. Even though I have terrible veins, I don't miss too frequently (and if I do, it's only a little bit - if it hurts I never keep going).

Hey Vax, I know you use your hands, and I was wondering if you ever try to find a vein on the upper-side of the hands and pull out without getting anything, and have it swell up like you missed? That's happened to me a few times...I try not to dig around too much with my hands, but that might be the cause. But yeah, that's happened and it's been swollen and painful, and is totally useless for like a day (just like a missed shot).

SpecialGuy69

11-02-2006, 11:45 PM

I wonder if he ever pushed the plunger, only to have his shot drip back out the other 40 holes in his veins.

I guess here is where everyone tells me this is impossible.

madnesscult

11-03-2006, 12:11 AM

I've actually wondered about that. Often I'll be searching for a vein and be unsuccessful, but when I pull out blood flows (wtf?). So I'll go in a different spot on the same vein, though I try to keep the former hole compressed...

SpecialGuy69

11-03-2006, 12:15 AM

Weird. That would suck to see the brown juice just oozing back out of a hole from a previous attempt. Gross, too.

nick

11-03-2006, 04:46 AM

If you're veins were that damaged,you've got bigger problems then missing a hit.

Curio

11-03-2006, 08:31 AM

probably should put this in a new thread, but wanted to show what I meant by a saline lock...whereby you start ONE iv at the beginning of a fun weekend, lol...keep it very clean and flushed frequently with saline, esp. after dosing...then when all done, pull it out and keep compression on area for a good couple of minutes. This would be for people who have difficulties with their veins and are just "weekend" warriors, so to speak...

I used to start locks on myself when I was very sick before I finally had to leave my fire dept job. (I was vomiting frequently from the compression on my spinal cord and when on the job would be borderline dehydrated from lifting people and doing strenous work, etc..) the lock in place would allow me to quickly hook up a bag of normal saline or lactated ringers and if I got an emergency call, I could just discontinue without having to lose a good site or start all over again when I returned & was able to start a fluid resuscitation again.

Here's a good demonstration kind of similar to what I"m describing and you can see pics of the equipment needed...basically it's just an extension for IV tubing....sometimes you do need a prescription, but some of these sites don't require it for all the stuff..

http://teach.lanecc.edu/nursingskills/iv/SLconvert.htm

and here's a pic of the IV extension tubing:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/Picture1.png

vaxn8

11-09-2006, 02:48 PM

^it would definitely work if you were good about keeping it flushed, and kept the positive pressure tight with the clamp. A little heparin in it making a hep lock would definitely ensure it wouldn't clot off. Way better than trying to keep a butterfly in that long!

It really would be a good idea for weekends! Less holes, and wasting time looking for veins. I've always avoided it because i'm bad enough with what i do use, i don't need to make it easier to add more!

MELBURN NIGGUH

11-10-2006, 09:54 AM

ABOUT the Heroin #3 and Heroin #4.....

here in Melbourne , Australia we get white heroin that is usually in small rocks, (fifty=.1g , then 100 will just be two fifties, then if u want .5gram you save youserlf a fifty and pay 180-200dollars....) .

its mostly really white and comes in rock form, so SALT FORM ? (yeah heroin #4) , it mulls up into clear liquid in cold water. sometimes we get what called locally 'Beige' ... its usually powder and beigey in color , but it always dissolves in cold water also... sometimes the rock is yellowish in color....
i started using two years ago and straight onto injecting; because everyone injects here, basically i never met anyone who smokes it or snorts it, there is free needles everywhere and needle exchanges give you plastic spoons because no one ever cooks their heroin here/no need to/.. and every toilet cubicle has a needle bin in ALL public toilets..... (even in weird places like airport, court , i havent checked police station HAAA) because there is strong a needle culture(?) everyone i know around here that does meth also only whacks it....

HEROIN#3 ; i went to europe last year and first smoked heroin after a years of injecting .... it felt right because it was like half the price if not more cheaper. And they always sell in like .2gram or i think 1/4gram so i could actually buy in grams ... i bought in the Netherlands and in England , in NL it was in foil and it was beige powder, another time it was more brown , i learnt that you put vitamin c powder to make it dissolvable so you can inject ... in England it was the same sort of shit , id say i was getting fatter deals in england.... it was cellophane wrap, a pain to undo.... same color light beige (never came across the dark brown that i once bought in NL) , there the exchange gave you citric acid, and the junkies there.. they taught me how to make a proper tube to smoke out of because before i used paper instead of foil tube.... so you can smoke the residue afterwards..

ABOUT AVAILABILITY
the person with the pony may be right, not all Western places have it always like you think......! id rather be living in Kazakhstan , uzbekistan, tajikistan, kyrgyzstan just on top of the Factory...

we in Australia get droughts.... google it Australia heroin drought.
actually from when i started using it was all available, but from x-mas last year till about may we had one of those fucking droughts , ive only been using two years so i didnt know wtf was going on, i switched to injecting oxycontins... but i was lucky because there hard as fuck to get here , but if u get them they are actually cheap compared to the US and compared to our heroin prices...... fifty(usd40) for a 80 .... =]

madnesscult

11-13-2006, 02:03 PM

Man, that sucks you're paying so much for your heroin. I assume it's because it has to travel so far? How does most of your junky population deal with the droughts, if other opiates are so hard to come by? Just kick until it shows up again?

MELBURN NIGGUH

11-13-2006, 05:58 PM

some junkies are so fucked in the brain they wont give a shit if theyre scoring 5percent heroin/rest sugar rocks , like the ones who are hardcore and been using for so long they wont even use pills even though when they tried it it fucked them up more... they just get whatever is there and even if the dealer is a dickhead for selling that shit they know that once the good shit comes back they will have a good relationship with that dealer ... :-) . even though there might be an arab guy sellin GOOD HEROIn across the road in the apartment and his place being busy as fuck but he charges more .

do u get it, i found it hard to understand :/ at first anyhow . especially when its people who introduced yoou to the shit doing it - and dont say they can't cop if its a scammer/begger that talks to a fuckload of people because he's a street-junkie and still does that.... then how do you explain it. I eventhought i wa s bein scammed once, or the guy seriously went fucking crazy and didnt know if he was hangin' or he was stoned .... but it came out that i wasnt... LOL

anyway they might do it another way... get on methadone or bup [easy shit and /free/ ] and in the meantime use other drugs particularly Meth (even though when they aare on horin they will say fuck that toxic waste , sometimes ]

yeah alot of smackies turn to Meth/weed/alcohol/sleepers(beznos)/ and lastly i guess 'morf pillz' =really small population anyhow. YO

PS: some just use a fuckload more of that 'shit heroin' like this guy that just got outta jail ... he only ever scores from his/mine local area and there only two dealers iin that small area , don't know, he's just lazy or becoz he's fromm there and reckons if he gets that in his area he dont know no one in the other places other people go to score