Advice needed please/WD'ing cold

[flipside]

Long story short someone very freaking low took the last of my bezo RX. I have been Klonopin 6mg daily X and Xanaz 2=4 mg's for breakthrough attacks. For 10+ years. This is my 4th day without them.

Getting an early script may be an option but unlikely since ,y Doc is on vacation and anyone covering for him will not likely do it.

? is I have phenobarbitol elixer 20mg/5ml. So how many mgs should I take to prevent having a WD siezure I know how dangerous abruptly stopping benzo's can e and in some case be life threatning ( not to mention almost maddening WD symptom's!), but phenobarb is the only alternative I can think of.

It makes me sick to have to resort to taking my 2 year old's siezure medication, but I can get his filled early without a problem and I,.....// well it doesn't matter..

It would be nice to get the panic under control ( which is why I am RX'd the k-pins in the firt place) but I'll settle for not siezing.

I get a refill on the 4th.

Thanks in advance everyone..

[kyuss]

I would at least
call the doctor's office
even if he is on vacation
you could explain the situation
tell them you alleviation
you might get lucky

[flipside]

Thanks K, I do have a call in but after talking to my doc's regular nurse, it does not look hopeful that's why I posted this ? aboout the phenobarb.

I did not tell them someone stole my meds that would raise a whole lot of eyebrows about the company I keep. Can you spell DIVORCE

told them I lost my purse, and thank God my fent wasn't in it. I keep that under lock and key because of the kds. ( in case they wondereded why I did not need any other scripts for my other meds)

Fingers and toes crossed.

[kyuss]

Thanks K, I do have a call in but after talking to my doc's regular nurse, it does not look hopeful that's why I posted this ? aboout the phenobarb.

I did not tell them someone stole my meds that would raise a whole lot of eyebrows about the company I keep. Can you spell DIVORCE

told them I lost my purse, and thank God my fent wasn't in it. I keep that under lock and key because of the kds. ( in case they wondereded why I did not need any other scripts for my other meds)

Fingers and toes crossed.

I'm sure
one of our chemists
will give you good advice
about the dose

[Narkotikon]

I'm sure
one of our chemists
will give you good advice
about the dose


This really sucks. I'm sorry to hear that. You know, have you ever thought about keeping your good meds in a lockbox? That's what I do. I had to get one at the clinic for takehomes on holidays, and now I'm using it for other things.

Is there anyway that you can page the doctor? I know that he'd probably be pissed, but so what. He's a doctor and you're his patient. I think he'd be liable if you were without and he didn't do anything about it and you were in DT's.

For the phenobarb. Can you maybe do a search to see if there are barb / benzo conversion calculators, kind of the like the opiate charts for comparison? I've only been given phenobarb in detox, and then it was a blue gel cap in an extended release form, so I don't really know what milligram I was getting. Also, please be careful, because it's so easy to overdo it on barbituates and OD. At least with benzos you get somewhat of a safety net.

[vaxn8]

Already talked to ya about dosing. My only other idea, other than killing the thief is any other anti seizure drug. Being treated for pain so long, you may have at least one of these laying around...


depakote
neurontin
topomax
keppra
lamactal
gabatril
tegretol
dilantinthat's off the top of my head but any one of these would help ya and allow you to lowre the phenobarb dose. I'm just so glad you have access to the barb. And you said you didn't mention the theft, you could always use the "workers" that have been in your house or house guests if you don't want to specify.

I really can't belive the on call doc would let you go with nothing. It's not like opiates where withdrawal sucks but you'll live through it. You know how serious benzo w/drawal is, and I can't imagine a doc ingoring it. That's asking for a lowsuit!

[Narkotikon]

Already talked to ya about dosing. My only other idea, other than killing the thief is any other anti seizure drug. Being treated for pain so long, you may have at least one of these laying around...

depakote
neurontin
topomax
keppra
lamactal
gabatril
tegretol
dilantinthat's off the top of my head but any one of these would help ya and allow you to lowre the phenobarb dose. I'm just so glad you have access to the barb. And you said you didn't mention the theft, you could always use the "workers" that have been in your house or house guests if you don't want to specify.

I really can't belive the on call doc would let you go with nothing. It's not like opiates where withdrawal sucks but you'll live through it. You know how serious benzo w/drawal is, and I can't imagine a doc ingoring it. That's asking for a lowsuit!

I've got a big-ass box of Depakote. I'm not bipolar, it's just for mood stabilization for a borderline personality. I hate it though, it makes you gain weight like crazy. I've also been on Tegretol and Trileptal (oxycarbazapine sp?), but those caused some serious alergic reactions. Anyone want the depakote? j/k Maybe I'll hand it out for Halloween.

[flipside]

Already talked to ya about dosing. My only other idea, other than killing the thief is any other anti seizure drug. Being treated for pain so long, you may have at least one of these laying around...


depakote
neurontin
topomax
keppra
lamactal
gabatril
tegretol
dilantinthat's off the top of my head but any one of these would help ya and allow you to lowre the phenobarb dose. I'm just so glad you have access to the barb. And you said you didn't mention the theft, you could always use the "workers" that have been in your house or house guests if you don't want to specify.

I really can't belive the on call doc would let you go with nothing. It's not like opiates where withdrawal sucks but you'll live through it. You know how serious benzo w/drawal is, and I can't imagine a doc ingoring it. That's asking for a lowsuit!



Thanx V, I'm watching a recorded episode of House from yesterday and he's playing with his rat, after hearing what you have on your work schedule for Wed. down in 3 can you imagine the visual? Thanx for the chuckle.

My daughter actually has Depakote and Topamax laying around here. Guess I'll go to the NPR and check dosing for those too.

As for killing DH divorce would be cheaper than a criminal attorney ( if there is any real difference), and you know since this is a new house , I just bought it at the begining of the month we have had a lot of "worker's" in here. That's a good idea.

As for the lock box, I do keep my good oipies in there( for safety cause my little one could easily open the patch, I've had it since I was on done years ago and like you the clinic required I have one), looks like all my meds & my pods are gonna have to go in there, but of course there really is nothing to stop an adult from carrying it away.

[Narkotikon]

As for the lock box, I do keep my good oipies in there( for safety cause my little one could easily open the patch, I've had it since I was on done years ago and like you the clinic required I have one), looks like all my meds & my pods are gonna have to go in there, but of course there really is nothing to stop an adult from carrying it away.

True, but instead of a lock box, what about a fire-proof filling cabinet. I have no idea how much those cost, but it wouldn't be easy to move and it would be more protection. Especially if you're going to put pods in there. I can't imagine getting a big enough lock box for those, unless you pre-ground.

[nick]

I'm really sorry to hear of this,Jesus is nothing sacred?Anyone on this site who tells you they wouldn't take their daughters barbs,in these circumstances are full of it.Desperate times,desperate measures and all that.Hope it all works out.Off to my sick bed,back later.

[flipside]

A locked file cabinet sounds good, nick hang in there brother, thanks to all who responded.

[Ragdoll]

Flip, I don't understand how you're even making it through this as well as you are...4th day????? You have an Rx, so have every right & priviledge to go to the ER, tell them the stolen purse story - mention that you even filed a police report - and I'd be very surprised if they don't give you enough benzos to make it through until the 4th, at least. Also, calling your regular doctor and being the Squeaky Wheel (annoying them is doing what works; be a "nice" patient, and they'll gladly ignore you). Doc has to cover his ass, ya know...he prescribed those meds to you and it would by no means be cool if you end up in extra-bad shape...first thing he'd say is, "Why didn't you call me as soon as your Rx was stolen?" The advice I'm giving is directly from my own experience - when you have a prescribed medication, you need to yell - loud.

Best to you.
~Rags

[Ragdoll]

Nark, it's sure sweet of you to offer the Dep, but I agree - that stuff is poison. I was on it for a coupla years and it really messed my body up. Weird shit.

[SobrietyBinge]

got my fingers crossed for you.. I think your best bet is Ragdoll's advice.

[Narkotikon]

Nark, it's sure sweet of you to offer the Dep, but I agree - that stuff is poison. I was on it for a coupla years and it really messed my body up. Weird shit.

I agree totally. I think something like 30-40 percent of people gain weight on that drug. Plus, when you first start, you get very dizzy when walking / standing too fast. Plus, it kills your sex drive, etc. It did help me in terms of making me more mellow, but it's just the side effects. I sort of collect psych meds. I've got Trileptal, Depakote, Tegretol, Welbutrin, Prozac, Lexapro, L-thyroxidine (not really a psych med, but a thyroid med), Provigil. I just get prescribed them, take them for a few months, don't feel any different, then I get switched to another. I do sort of like Prozac, but it messes certain opies up. I really wish that there was some sort of opiate-agonist used for an anti-depressant. I feel normal when I'm on opies, even before I got addicted. I mean, yes, I got euphoria, but I just felt normal. Without them I'm sick and angry at the fact that what makes me normal is illegal. I guess we all feel that way.

[Ragdoll]

I agree totally. I think something like 30-40 percent of people gain weight on that drug. Plus, when you first start, you get very dizzy when walking / standing too fast. Plus, it kills your sex drive, etc. It did help me in terms of making me more mellow, but it's just the side effects. I sort of collect psych meds. I've got Trileptal, Depakote, Tegretol, Welbutrin, Prozac, Lexapro, L-thyroxidine (not really a psych med, but a thyroid med), Provigil. I just get prescribed them, take them for a few months, don't feel any different, then I get switched to another. I do sort of like Prozac, but it messes certain opies up. I really wish that there was some sort of opiate-agonist used for an anti-depressant. I feel normal when I'm on opies, even before I got addicted. I mean, yes, I got euphoria, but I just felt normal. Without them I'm sick and angry at the fact that what makes me normal is illegal. I guess we all feel that way.

I started out at my usual weight, around 110 (at 5'6", too thin, but that's how I was all my life) & when I went on Depakote I gained fifty lbs. I felt like I had sludge in my blood all the time. When I went off it, I lost the weight so rapidly, it seemed weird and not healthy. A few years later, when I decided to try for a third baby, I had all the losses; three of them, bang, bang, bang. Doctors deny it, but I believe the Depakote fucked up my body permanently and made my babies not develop properly.

The psych meds murder sex drive and one's general zest for life in a certain way. I can't make it off the ssri anymore, but that's why I'm so frustrated and want to try H. I'm tired of being
"legally poisoned" (not to mention paying a freakin' fortune) just to feel normal - no, make that above severely depressed, but sub-normal.

I hear ya, Nark, I hear ya, bro.

~Rags

[vaxn8]

True they all have their side effects, but when she's only worried about a few days it's safer to gain a pound than to have a seizure. Also if you tell a doc or ER that you have reported something to the police they will most likely call to check on it- they did for me and i was staff at the hospital i was at!

[AWOL]

I think Rags is right, if you go to the ER and tell them someone stole your meds, prove to them the doses that you're on, and only ask for enough to get you by till the 4th, any doctor would be out of his mind to tell you no. Benzo withdrawl is no joke.

[flipside]

Morning all, thanks to everybody for the advice and concern.

The problem is I already told my doc's nurse that I lost my purse.

The Er would be a last resort, and V is right they would check for the police report. I live in a small community, very conservative.

Ragdoll, the advice you gave about being a "nice patient" is dead on, usually.... However I have not been a "nice" patient for many years now, I learned though time and experience to advocate for myself as well as be very vocal even writing the Medical board if nec. I think it's because I am so vocal(within reason) it is that very reason the other doc's in the practice to not want to get involved.

Remember, I guess you weren't around then but the DEA and threatned my PCP if he did not stop writing opi scripts because it was " not within the scope of his normal practice" to do so, and fortunatley a new pain clinic had opened in Green Bay so I did not have to go back to Milwalkee for TX. As my mobility is so limited traveling is a problem for me which is why my PCP wrote for me in the first place. B ecause he does not hand out opi RX's left and right and is NOT a pill mill he was singled out. It was the pharmasisct that called the DEA.

As outraged as I was and still am, the Doc's and now Pharm D's ( hell, evcen the RN's) can and are being persecuted by the DEA. The war on drugs produces more victims and causalties of thier laws than arrests and prosecution of Drug kingpins and reall pill mills. The CP ( and addict too) population is one of the most under-served, helpless and under-treated segments of our population. Leading us to self-medicate, resort to OP's and the street for relief. Just perpetuating the very problem they claim they are trying to solve.
Oh sorry for the rant. It still pisses me off and until we as a group get vocal at the legistlative level it will never change.

Ok, back to the problem at hand today. The phenobarb is making me so sleepiy I can't function but without it I cannot function either and risk siezing, so it sucks all the way around. Also if I choose to do the ER I will have to file a police report and I don't live in Baltimore anymore ;the cops here will investigate the theft.

My doc is a good guy and I did call his nurse this am and she is going to try and page him if she cannot reach him she is going to see if she can find a sympathetic doc in the practice, after all it is only 4 days like RD said.

Fingers and toes crossed. Will let you know how I make out. Again, thanks to all. Flip

[nick]

Morning all, thanks to everybody for the advice and concern.

The problem is I already told my doc's nurse that I lost my purse.

The Er would be a last resort, and V is right they would check for the police report. I live in a small community, very conservative.

Ragdoll, the advice you gave about being a "nice patient" is dead on, usually.... However I have not been a "nice" patient for many years now, I learned though time and experience to advocate for myself as well as be very vocal even writing the Medical board if nec. I think it's because I am so vocal(within reason) it is that very reason the other doc's in the practice to not want to get involved.

Remember, I guess you weren't around then but the DEA and threatned my PCP if he did not stop writing opi scripts because it was " not within the scope of his normal practice" to do so, and fortunatley a new pain clinic had opened in Green Bay so I did not have to go back to Milwalkee for TX. As my mobility is so limited traveling is a problem for me which is why my PCP wrote for me in the first place. B ecause he does not hand out opi RX's left and right and is NOT a pill mill he was singled out. It was the pharmasisct that called the DEA.

As outraged as I was and still am, the Doc's and now Pharm D's ( hell, evcen the RN's) can and are being persecuted by the DEA. The war on drugs produces more victims and causalties of thier laws than arrests and prosecution of Drug kingpins and reall pill mills. The CP ( and addict too) population is one of the most under-served, helpless and under-treated segments of our population. Leading us to self-medicate, resort to OP's and the street for relief. Just perpetuating the very problem they claim they are trying to solve.
Oh sorry for the rant. It still pisses me off and until we as a group get vocal at the legistlative level it will never change.

Ok, back to the problem at hand today. The phenobarb is making me so sleepiy I can't function but without it I cannot function either and risk siezing, so it sucks all the way around. Also if I choose to do the ER I will have to file a police report and I don't live in Baltimore anymore ;the cops here will investigate the theft.

My doc is a good guy and I did call his nurse this am and she is going to try and page him if she cannot reach him she is going to see if she can find a sympathetic doc in the practice, after all it is only 4 days like RD said.

Fingers and toes crossed. Will let you know how I make out. Again, thanks to all. Flip
No need to apologise about the rant,you are right.I also know what you mean about being classed a "bad" patient.My doc told me if I ever lost my script I was on my own-thanks doc!
Flip I tried to e mail you,but I got a bounce.I'll try again later and I'm glad you seem to be gettting by-goddam war on drugs,what it really is,is a war on drug users-US.

[vaxn8]

.My doc told me if I ever lost my script I was on my own-thanks doc!
.

I've always heard this from docs and didn't really have a problem with it until it happened to me. Growing up, my parents had a friend who everytime she got a script for a weak opiate tylenol mix, would call in to her doc and say she dropped it in the toilet. I can see how when docs have this happening over and over they get to the point where they have to draw some kind of line.

My problem ahppened last fall. I used to keep half of my meds at home and half at work locked up. I was getting ready to leave early in the afternoon, I forget why but i had to leave early. I was also at the point in the month where i needed to bring the second half of my scripts home, i had used the first 2 weeks and had about 2 more to go. I pulled them out of my desk and put them in my bag and was ready to walk out the door. Before i could leave, one of my coworkers was having a problem in our other lab, so i dropped everything and went over to help them. It was a serious problem and not something i could have or would have walked out on.

So, i go over help the other person come back to my desk, pick up my bag and walked out. It was an open type purse-bag, the kind that has a snap in the middle of the top opening, but it still is kind of open. I'm walking out and checking to make sure everything is in there. I get paranoid walking around with 2 weeks of meds all in one place. I realized it was gone and went back to check around my desk, nothing. I was flipping out. I had very little at home and it was too late to get my doc.

It was nowhere in the lab, so i went to security and told them what had just happened. They took a report. We actually have a camera right outside the door to my lab because of what i work with. I asked security to pull the video and was told they didn't save it! This was no more than an hour after it was taken! They couldn't do anything, said they would call the police and i may have to talk to them, i said no problem. I went home and just toughed it out for the night.

First thing in the AM, went over to see my doc. By then i was quite obvisouly starting to get sick. My doc said too bad, nothing i can do about it. I still had TWO WEEKS to go until my next appointment. He said if you get sick, just go to the ER. I begged him, and i have never done that in my life and told him that was such a waste of time for the ER and the ER probably wouldn't really care what had happened. He wouldn't change his mind.

So, I went straight to the ER, I knew i'd be sitting there until hell froze over. It's a major big-city ER and waits are usually 8-10 hours unless you're bleeding to death. I told the ER what had happened and asked them to please just call my doc so they would be able to talk to him before they saw me. I got over to the ER at noon, and was sure i wouldn't be seen until late that night and didn't want them to not be able to get a hold of my doc if they were questioning my scripts. They refused to call, so i spent the day puking in the waiting room. Finally around 9 PM i asked if i could at least lay down somewhere. They did give me a bed in a hallway and a pile of blankets because i was freezing. Remember, I work at this place, so I'm staff and they're obvisouly not caring one bit about that.

I wasn't seen until 6 AM the next morning! They did give me a script for a week, but only gave me something like 10mg of IR morphine. At the time I was on 36mg hydromorphone and 150 ug fent, so 10mg of morph po wasn't going to do much. I was surprised they gave me enough for a week, but that was only after they spoke with security and the city police and were told i had reported everything and was cooperating with the investigation.

Whew, long story but the point is saying it was stolen isn't the best way to go unless you want to either report it from the docs office or you already have reported it stolen. Even then, it's not guaranteed they're going to do anything about it!

[SpecialGuy69]

Vax and Flip- that is so fucked up! Doctors should have a little more compassion than that- they got you to this point with your meds, and they know what's about to happen to you if you run out. How can they just sit there and let you w/d? Not cool at all. Docs should make decisions like refilling a stolen script based on your relationship and trustworthiness, not make set-in-stone rules.

The moral of the story is DONT STEAL PEOPLES MEDS!!!! If your really a scumbag, and just can't help it, just get the doc's name off the bottle- call the doc, get an appointment, and get your own fucking meds. This really pisses me off.

[flipside]

Vax and Flip- that is so fucked up! Doctors should have a little more compassion than that- they got you to this point with your meds, and they know what's about to happen to you if you run out. How can they just sit there and let you w/d? Not cool at all. Docs should make decisions like refilling a stolen script based on your relationship and trustworthiness, not make set-in-stone rules.

The moral of the story is DONT STEAL PEOPLES MEDS!!!! If your really a scumbag, and just can't help it, just get the doc's name off the bottle- call the doc, get an appointment, and get your own fucking meds. This really pisses me off.

As for the doctor's we all know whatthey SHOULD do, what the WILL do is entirely another story.
Thanks TM The moral outrage is appreciated

[jacky]

sounds like some serious shit.

If you start feeling weird go park your ass at the ER, if they dont believe you, maybe you could wait at the ER till you start showing some serious signs of benzo withdrawl.

I know how Pheno feels, and it isnt very fun unless your on other drugs, so trying to use it as a replacement must be frustrating to say the least...
given your high dose of daily benzo's I would think the ER should take this pretty seriously. In your state right now, if you commited a crime, the cops wouldnt be able to legally incarcerate you until you were taken to the ER, so basically a criminal (no offense criminals!!) might get better treatment than you are right now. at least the ER should option you with coming in for a daily dose until your Doc is back.

[Papa Verine]

I've endured benzo W/D several times and found the greatest relief in ALCOHOL. I know, it's such a crude device but alcohol and benzos act on the same part of the brain and it did help me greatly. I absolutely hated W/Ding from benzos!!! Terrible! Not to mention, K-pins are the worst because they're so long acting.

Drink every day until you get more benzos and then use the benzos to set yourself straight again.

This is what I would do. But then again...I'm pretty nutty!

[flipside]

Hi Jacky, nice to see you so to speak, thanks to all for the advice, I was able to procure some Temapzepam to hold me until; I can get ,my script, just waiting for it to arrive.

ETOH would be an idea but I have not touched it in10 years. Thanks for the suggestion though.

[sOfAKiNg]

quick question, hopefully someone can help me answer it. How Long does it take to catch a benzo habbit? considering you've been taking 4-6mgs of klonopin a day for about a month, and how long after your last dose will you begin to feel withdrawl symtoms?
Thanks a whole lot

[flipside]

True WD symptoms start probably between 24 and 48 hours. Of course it depends on the individual could be 3 days for some or less than 24 but i'd say 24-48 is the average. Are you about to run out.?

You might want to starta new thread with this post since this one is from back in october, if you still have questions. Don't want your post getting lost io this thread.

[SpecialGuy69]

hey flip i think he meant how long before you become physically dependent. Probably not too long on a dose that high. You should seriously consider cutting your dose. Is it more recreational or more medical? Benzos have a wicked withdrawl from all I've heard. I'm fortunate enough not to have that addiction, too. I just take .5-1mg xanax a day, sometimes skip a day. No matter if you are taking for recreational or medical purposes, you could probably make due with less if you had to. And nothing bad can happen from a slow taper - worst case scenario, you feel shitty and take more.

Better to start tapering off now, when you have plenty of pills, than to be forced into it when you suddenly run out. Good luck.

[red26]

Ive gone through benzo WD before. It aint fun, it aint easy, but I know it is taken seriously at E.R.s. Thats where I ended up cuz things were getting bad and they gave me the rest f my script till I got my refill. I had lost a good 20 of them down the drian due to giving my dog pets while havin his paws up on the sink.

Dont be all nervous and spaztic with hair volunarilly flying off your head. If you can get other benzos to replace them some other way do it and space em out according to the amount and # of pills you got. I went from 5mgs of K-pin a day to 1 a day and it held me o.k. till needed time. The booze thing I have to admit does help, but if it aint yer gig, it aint yer gig. If you gotta, make one of those life-line calls to someone who might be able to help you and keep it under wraps.

[flipside]

hey flip i think he meant how long before you become physically dependent. Probably not too long on a dose that high. You should seriously consider cutting your dose. Is it more recreational or more medical? Benzos have a wicked withdrawl from all I've heard. I'm fortunate enough not to have that addiction, too. I just take .5-1mg xanax a day, sometimes skip a day. No matter if you are taking for recreational or medical purposes, you could probably make due with less if you had to. And nothing bad can happen from a slow taper - worst case scenario, you feel shitty and take more.

Better to start tapering off now, when you have plenty of pills, than to be forced into it when you suddenly run out. Good luck.


Oh I missed that T thanks depends byuut probably no more than a few weeks with that kind of use. And no bezo WD is no joke.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

You might want to starta new thread with this post since this one is from back in october, if you still have questions. Don't want your post getting lost io this thread.

At least I paid attention to the original dates this time. What's with all the old threads? I was getting all fired up and pissed off for you Flipside. I'm still fired up but I'm happy this didn't just happen as you are returning home from the hospital.

FUCK... It's taken me forever to write this. And why are there two identical boards? Someone tuck me in bed!

[nick]

It's been about 3 months since I kicked benzos and my sleep cycle is still compleletly screwed.I miss good sleep.Don't let anyone tell you kicking benzos is not very serious.

[OxyContinuously]

Long story short someone very freaking low took the last of my bezo RX. I have been Klonopin 6mg daily X and Xanaz 2=4 mg's for breakthrough attacks. For 10+ years. This is my 4th day without them.

Getting an early script may be an option but unlikely since ,y Doc is on vacation and anyone covering for him will not likely do it.

? is I have phenobarbitol elixer 20mg/5ml. So how many mgs should I take to prevent having a WD siezure I know how dangerous abruptly stopping benzo's can e and in some case be life threatning ( not to mention almost maddening WD symptom's!), but phenobarb is the only alternative I can think of.

It makes me sick to have to resort to taking my 2 year old's siezure medication, but I can get his filled early without a problem and I,.....// well it doesn't matter..

It would be nice to get the panic under control ( which is why I am RX'd the k-pins in the firt place) but I'll settle for not siezing.

I get a refill on the 4th.

Thanks in advance everyone..


Phenobarbital is the most basic barbiturate there is with a lot of uses including sleep aid, seizure prevention, etc. I would suggest, since you are on a large amount of both klonopoin and xanax (and the xanax is very dangerous to come off of as far as seizures are concerned as it is a triazolo analog with a much shorter halflife than some of the recognized -pam type benzos. Any way, I would suggest a dose of phenobarb of 75 milligrams to start, and if there is still trouble, another dose of 50 mgs. But wait a solid hour and a half to two hours before the booster, if you need one. Hope this helps

[Coddfish]

brother, the 4th came and went a coupla times since that post. long resolved, for better or worse.

i hadn't seen this thread before. . . . .divorce? you shoulda killed the bastard, burned his carcass, and then recovered the minerals from his benzo stealin' ass. probably some goodies mixed in there somewhere, but either way. . . that'd teach im.
lower than low given the circustances.

[OxyContinuously]

brother, the 4th came and went a coupla times since that post. long resolved, for better or worse.

i hadn't seen this thread before. . . . .divorce? you shoulda killed the bastard, burned his carcass, and then recovered the minerals from his benzo stealin' ass. probably some goodies mixed in there somewhere, but either way. . . that'd teach im.
lower than low given the circustances.


Fuck, you know I didn't even realize it was long dead until after my post. ;-)