View Full Version : What is YOUR Pharm of Choice!?!?
insaneike
10-29-2006, 01:24 PM
Well, I kinda must know this. What do you guys prefer for your fav RX Opioids!?!? Be it damn Hydros or Fentanyl, what it is!?!?
Also, do you use opioid for pain? fun? fun & pain but u put on a show at doc visit? Are you scripted them? well thats just soemthingt aht'd be nice to know about the avg RX opiophlian :P
Personaly, I'm going with Fentanyl. I'm prescribed it for severe chronic pain. but the combo of the Fentanyl patches and Roxicodone 30mg(IR oxy) is... well, fkn perfect! not to mention the 'dones at night/some mornings. Now if only I could get on Hydromorph I feel that my pain would indeed by adequeatly medicated due to my toler and pain severity... and ya, my RX of choice is gonna be the Fentanyl.
I swear fent is the crack of opiates!!! Serisouly.. it doesn't last long AT ALL, it's fkn intense as hell, and once u try it, everything else sucks(not literaly) :P SMoked fent that is, wearing/eating fent is more sedating than euphoric, but smoked it's better than IV morph and avg street gear ;)
later
Azrael
10-29-2006, 01:50 PM
It's true, smoking fent is really like a crack version of gear...I got into that stuff when I first started using opiates, bout six years ago and my fried nearly died after taking two hits..and this was six months after I had OD'd myself. that stuff is great if you have a tolerance though.
-azrael
Palfium that shit is wicked.They're called terminators in England,because so many people od.An amazing physical buzz,you sit there works still in your arm,breathing hard wondering if this is it.
insaneike
10-29-2006, 02:23 PM
What is Palfium? I've nto cone heard my doc speak of it... nor anyone on the street for that matter. Or si ti someones name lol.
and I notice4d someone said Methadone... how in the WORLD could you choose dones over hydromorph and fent!?!? The onyl plausible reason is that you've not tried the stronger ones, right? Not dissing on ya but wondering why you would choose 'dones or morph over fent and hydromorph!?!? Is it you have a low toler or havn't tried the others?
btw, to ME, Methadone and Morph is kinda the same. Dones are JUST like morphine to me without the 'good glowy effect'. Like the SAME THING in anagesic effects. to ME it seems like done is morphine without the high to it...
and do u guys use opis for pain or fun and legaly or illicitly. It's great getting Fentanyl legaly from a doc, and ti seems I lucked out, beign as I'm so young(20)
, but a long haired 20yo on fent from a stuck up doc kinda says how much pain im in :(
srry, i gotsta talking and....
later
Palfium is dextromoramide.It is very short acting 5-6 hours max,but the high is truly awesome.10mg is the highest dose tablet available.
SpecialGuy69
10-29-2006, 03:32 PM
and I notice4d someone said Methadone...
Oranjejuice must have stopped by...
I've tried all of the meds listed, and I voted for oxycodone- I've never IV'ed, so I have different prefrences than shooters. I think you'll find that if sniffing is your ROA of choice, you'll prefer oc. Maybe it's just because it's so easy to crush and sniff oc, whereas morphine is almost always trapped in some pain-in-the-ass time release mechanism. I'd really like to try MS IR 30mg'ers- all the morphine i've gotten is always MS contin.
If I could only have one med for the rest of my life, it would be oxycodone 30mg (you know, those little blue instant relief oxys????) Roxicet? love 'em.
suffocate
10-29-2006, 03:58 PM
Well, to start I will give you an answer to the secondary questions that don't seem to be getting much attentiion, before I state the obvious.
I am not scripted opiates, to be quite honest I haven't seen a real docter in many, many years. I do, however, use them for pain: currently I have a wisdom tooth that my jaw cannot accomidate, and it has grown half into my cheek, half *under* my jaw (I WOULD get it removed if I had the money, but for the time being I just gotta live with it). I am guilty, however, of using them for recreation, also.
Now to the good stuff. My pharm-DOC would have to be Oxycodone, with Morph a close second (although I have a feeling if OxyMorph was avail. it would probably take the lead).
Narkotikon
10-29-2006, 06:06 PM
I voted for morphine, but I'm not Rx'd it. In a perfect world, if I had to choose, I'd vote Fent, then Dilaudid, then Morphine, then Oxy, then Methadone.
insaneike
10-29-2006, 07:06 PM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
chemboy7
10-29-2006, 07:17 PM
Man there are people on here whose DOC is Tramadol; the Morphine and Oxy fetishes don't suprise me all that much. I suspect that if Codiene and Darvocet where options there would have been people that voted for them too. Some people I guess just like weaker drugs (they don't want to get too high) and alot probably just haven't moved up the ladder yet. It's all good though anyways; I mean if they can get off on weaker meds more power to 'em... I'd do it if I could. My personal pharm prefference is whatever is the most potent that I can currently get my hands on, usually Hydromorphone but Morphine (with alittle Xanax and Carisoprodol) tonight.
Chemical_Boy
10-29-2006, 09:00 PM
^^^Yeah, I don't get the tramadol thing either. I actually prefere methadone to just about anything else. I know most people don't feel that way, but I find it to be a very warm, functional buzz. Course I would never turn my nose up to dope, oxy, or any other opie. With the exception of codiene, I love them all, and it's not like I would snub codiene. Beggers can't be choosey...
Levity
10-29-2006, 09:35 PM
Oxy for a fine, flying high buzz. (20-60mg)
Hydro for a mellow, all body warmth. (30-50mg)
Done for an all day, functional warmth... After sheer retardation. (40mg)
Morph for a LSD-esque trip. Seriously, 30mg makes me hallucinate. It's fun.
Hydromorph if I ever get brave enough to IV. (4mg, K-4s, you know what I'm talking about)
Fent if my tolerance ever gets that high.
H if it ever makes it to my neck of the woods.
Narkotikon
10-29-2006, 09:59 PM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
I don't think it has to do with whether they've tried it, at least not for everyone, but I think it has to do with availability. I mean, sure, if I had a neverending supply of Fent or Dilaudid, I'd love to say that they'd be my DOC. But, morphine is just easier to get ahold of for me. Plus, maybe not everyone else is talking about Rx'd opiates.
Sitar
10-29-2006, 10:08 PM
I've had just about all opioids out there except Fentanyl and Hydromorphone, and I must say emphatically that I prefer Morphine to everything I've had so far. Morphine seems to be the most euphoric and it's much longer lasting than most of the others (except Methadone).
I've always heard that, while Fentanyl is really strong, it doesn't provide as much euphoria as some of the other opioids. Oxy is in no way better than Morphine, except maybe that it's not as sedating.
SpecialGuy69
10-29-2006, 11:24 PM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it... I've tried all of the listed drugs. I don't think dillys are any stronger than oxy when snorted. I've never slammed either, but everyone seems to love IV dilaudid. Mg for mg, sure dilaudid is stronger, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. It's a different feeling, and I prefer the feeling of OC. My problem with fent is that I'm too cautious- as much as I love gettin high, I don't want to OD more. I've only tried the heat pad method, and wasn't impressed. I'm getting a few actiq pops tomorrow, so I'll let ya know if that changes my mind.
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy. Your posts usually mention chewing pills- is this the ROA you are referring to in this post? I don't have the luxury of large scripts, so I sniff to get the most mileage out of my pills, and I (and everyone else) wouldn't be paying $40-60 per OC 80 if it was worthless.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol. never tried smoked fent- maybe I'm a pussy, but I've heard too many hardcore junkys warn me about this. The same guys who will use a rusty needle to bang 8 sacks in one shot are scared of this shit. There must be a reason. I have a 50ug gel fent patch just sitting here, I'd smoke it right now if I knew it was safe (maybe it is)- any advice here, ike? My tolerance is moderate, I sniff an OC 80 at a time.
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on umm... opiates?
Ike- Some people actually would have picked poppy seed tea if you would have listed it- everybody's different. Your situation, especially is different than most, you know that. So, you have different needs and expectations from your drugs than others do. Just a thought.
vaxn8
10-30-2006, 06:10 AM
^exactly T. Also fent is so fucking short acting, I don't have time to be running somewhere to be redosing every couple of hours. It's a great high but way too short. Doesn't make sense to me why someone would pick something that lasts for such a short time. What's with all the polls?????
From Where I'm sitting now,junk is junk and I just wish I coud have some.Hell,even fucking tramadol would be cool.
flipside
10-30-2006, 12:35 PM
AWW Nick, Hang in there brother.
I've tried them all , all different methods of absorption injrestion, oral, sniffing, IV, I still prefer hydromorph hands down above all.
Hydromorphone (dilies) are just like fent.. no legs. I need something with a good rush and staying power. Thus I would allways choose either M or H over the rest.
Levity
10-30-2006, 02:56 PM
For awhile there it was Oxy by a nose.
Get it?
By a nose?
Oh fuck me I need to get high.
Dilaudid
10-30-2006, 03:00 PM
Hello Opiophiles,
AWW Nick, Hang in there brother.
I've tried them all , all different methods of absorption injrestion, oral, sniffing, IV, I still prefer hydromorph hands down above all.
Exactly the same here, Hydromorphone is my drug of choice (I have a script of 24mg extended relase hydromorphone twice a day) where I live Palladon is legal and it's called Sophidone.
I prefer Hydromorphone to Janssen Fentanyl (I've been on fentanyl in "pump" after major back surgery).
Hydromorphone (dilies) are just like fent.. no legs. I need something with a good rush and staying power. Thus I would allways choose either M or H over the rest.
Amen.
BLUEGIRL85
10-30-2006, 03:55 PM
MORE and Whatever you've got, are my favorites..............
Palfium that shit is wicked.They're called terminators in England,because so many people od.An amazing physical buzz,you sit there works still in your arm,breathing hard wondering if this is it.
WOW, great description Nick ... been there, done that (not on Palfium) ... but I think these two sentances should be read by everyone getting into opiates. It does happen, and it most likely will happen to you at some point unless you're very cautious. Again, great visual .. too bad it probably only raises a flag to those of us who've been to that edge ... I've been there more times than I'd ever want to admit.
SpecialGuy69
10-30-2006, 04:36 PM
Hello Opiophiles,
Exactly the same here, Hydromorphone is my drug of choice (I have a script of 24mg extended relase hydromorphone twice a day) where I live Palladon is legal and it's called Sophidone.
I prefer Hydromorphone to Janssen Fentanyl (I've been on fentanyl in "pump" after major back surgery).
Hey dilaudid: What form is the time-release on Sophidone? Pellets/gel/wax/etc? Is it defeatable- like can you crush & sniff or crush & bang it? I've never heard of this stuff before. Is this in the US?
If the time-release is defeatable, Sophidone is the champagne and caviar of opiates. Up there with Opana IR on my list of fantasy drugs. Yeah, I really do sit at work and imagine a better life for myself where I have a doctor who follows me around (like Elvis) and prescribes whatever I want.
Narkotikon
10-30-2006, 05:04 PM
Yeah, I really do sit at work and imagine a better life for myself where I have a doctor who follows me around (like Elvis) and prescribes whatever I want.
I'd kill to be like Karen on Will and Grace. That bitch has got it made.
insanesteveo
10-30-2006, 06:00 PM
I'd kill to be like Karen on Will and Grace. That bitch has got it made.
that and the old chics on absolutely fabulous. i think that was the name of the show. all they did was pop pills and drink. what a life.
oh, and i voted for morphine because i like how it lasts longer than oxy, though i do love a good oxy high. and i havent tried fent or dilaudid. had a dream last night that i was stealing a bunch of fent patches and oxyx from my dad though. hes old and gets oxy and once got mscontin, but never has had anything stronger so it was like my dream in a dream.
john_doe
10-30-2006, 11:57 PM
Methadone is definitely my first choice, followed by Hydromorphone, Morphine, Oxycodone. I had hydromorphone in the hospital only 4mg IV but it really helped my pain even though I have a ridiculous tolerance of like 350+mg of methadone a day right now. it once was more but it's coming down slowly. But I was in such severe pain in the hospital I was going to go into a shock I was just in agony and the Dilaudid really took the edge off. I didn't like the IV bags though they drip so slow so I complained and made them inject me directly into the vein lol. I was like screaming I was in the worst pain and only 4mg of dilaudid brought it to a tolerable level. And methadone is useless for like pain from injuries and headaches and stuff like that. For me it just helps body aches and muscle pains. I could take 500mg and it won't put a dent in a headache. Yet 4mg of dilaudid makes a headache tolerable? strange how that works. It's almost unbelievable that 4mg IV would do anything.
They started me off with .25 mg of dilaudid lmao. And I was like no this isn't working. THey don't tell you how much they are giving you when they give it i only found out from the nurse that they had been giving me like max 1mg at first and they kept going up and were wondering why I wasn't like sedated at all. I kept saying no the pain is getting worse and i need more and she was like "do you need more so you get high and dont care about the pain anymore" and i'm like no i dont get high off of this stuff it just genuinely gets rid of my buzz. I honestly couldnt really feel the 4mg of dilaudid when they injected it. They actually thought i would be knocked out from that. And i was totally coherent. dumb doctors and nurses. I was getting IV benadryl too to help numb the pain as well and it was actually pretty effective in helping me get some rest. The oral benadryl is trash but getting it IV makes it seem better lol. MAybe it;'s just in my head.
Anyways, Methadone is my number 1 choice. I love it and when I first started trying it I didn't like it as much as Oxycodone but as I kept doing it more my body got more used to it and it became more euphoric in the beginning it just made me feel angry and gave me a dirty "chemical" feeling. It seems when you first take Done it just makes you sick and feel liek trash but once you get on it for a while and have unlimited doses it's actually pretty nice. But yah if your on like 100mg for a long time it's pretty useless you have to take a fuckload to really get off. But thats dangerous and i don't think anyone should do that. It's just what i have to do to really get off. I got sent home with 100mg of Dilaudid 2mg pills for a bad ass headache that put me in the hospital. I still have half of them left I'm saving them for the future when I have some really bad pain but they dont work well orally so i'll inject them ifi have to if i'm in bad pain.
jgent99
10-31-2006, 03:03 AM
I have a choice now oby oxycontine 40mg from Raffo labsf which i havent tried yet but plan on soon , anyone have any advice on this product . Just got my first order of Contin 100mg which i am enjoying to the max but thought why i had a good supply i would try it all . The only thing that worries me about the oxcontoine is it time release . Could be a good thing for work becuase we all know how bad it is too nod out durning a meeting that you should be leading , Alway time to lay down for a few in advice woud be helfull
jerzyjunk
10-31-2006, 04:21 AM
fent iz tha crack of opies very intense and lasts 15 minutes iv.after that is hydromorphone iv of course never ate'em jerz iz filled with methyl fent, alfent, sufent and the like so to say the least ive tried everthing under the sun.
jerzyjunk
10-31-2006, 04:41 AM
. oxy is weak.1000mgs is a low dose for swim and try fittin just one or two 80s in a set, pretty hard and time consuming. fent by a long shot iv that is.the last time swim wasted money on oc swim got 30 80s, ate ten and it took swim almost two hours to prep and bang 10 so i never even got a rush the only thing that breaks through tha done iz fent and diesel.i guess to each his own. there was a time long ago probly 8 or 9 years ago where 3 would do me lovely those days are long gone tha good ol days ahhhhhhhh:(
jerzyjunk
10-31-2006, 04:44 AM
shit j jent somone who leads a meeting cant spell,:) jus jazzin
Dilaudid
10-31-2006, 09:05 AM
Hello tm420tm,
Hey dilaudid: What form is the time-release on Sophidone? Pellets/gel/wax/etc? Is it defeatable- like can you crush & sniff or crush & bang it? I've never heard of this stuff before. Is this in the US?
If the time-release is defeatable, Sophidone is the champagne and caviar of opiates. Up there with Opana IR on my list of fantasy drugs. Yeah, I really do sit at work and imagine a better life for myself where I have a doctor who follows me around (like Elvis) and prescribes whatever I want.
It's exactly the same as palladon, they have just changed the name (for the France) and it's still approved in my country.
It's in wax coated micro pellets, like the pills in this topic:
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=1714
I've never tried to inject them and I take them as prescribed so I don't really know but I think it's possible to bang them with the "bogumil method".
flipside
10-31-2006, 09:38 AM
Methadone is definitely my first choice, followed by Hydromorphone, Morphine, Oxycodone. I had hydromorphone in the hospital only 4mg IV but it really helped my pain even though I have a ridiculous tolerance of like 350+mg of methadone a day right now. it once was more but it's coming down slowly. But I was in such severe pain in the hospital I was going to go into a shock I was just in agony and the Dilaudid really took the edge off. I didn't like the IV bags though they drip so slow so I complained and made them inject me directly into the vein lol. I was like screaming I was in the worst pain and only 4mg of dilaudid brought it to a tolerable level. And methadone is useless for like pain from injuries and headaches and stuff like that. For me it just helps body aches and muscle pains. I could take 500mg and it won't put a dent in a headache. Yet 4mg of dilaudid makes a headache tolerable? strange how that works. It's almost unbelievable that 4mg IV would do anything.
They started me off with .25 mg of dilaudid lmao. And I was like no this isn't working. THey don't tell you how much they are giving you when they give it i only found out from the nurse that they had been giving me like max 1mg at first and they kept going up and were wondering why I wasn't like sedated at all. I kept saying no the pain is getting worse and i need more and she was like "do you need more so you get high and dont care about the pain anymore" and i'm like no i dont get high off of this stuff it just genuinely gets rid of my buzz. I honestly couldnt really feel the 4mg of dilaudid when they injected it. They actually thought i would be knocked out from that. And i was totally coherent. dumb doctors and nurses. I was getting IV benadryl too to help numb the pain as well and it was actually pretty effective in helping me get some rest. The oral benadryl is trash but getting it IV makes it seem better lol. MAybe it;'s just in my head.
Anyways, Methadone is my number 1 choice. I love it and when I first started trying it I didn't like it as much as Oxycodone but as I kept doing it more my body got more used to it and it became more euphoric in the beginning it just made me feel angry and gave me a dirty "chemical" feeling. It seems when you first take Done it just makes you sick and feel liek trash but once you get on it for a while and have unlimited doses it's actually pretty nice. But yah if your on like 100mg for a long time it's pretty useless you have to take a fuckload to really get off. But thats dangerous and i don't think anyone should do that. It's just what i have to do to really get off. I got sent home with 100mg of Dilaudid 2mg pills for a bad ass headache that put me in the hospital. I still have half of them left I'm saving them for the future when I have some really bad pain but they dont work well orally so i'll inject them ifi have to if i'm in bad pain.
with your tolerance I'm surprised D gave you that much releif, wait, back up take foot out of mouth,
D is the only opi I really have no tolerance to, when i was given it the last admission I was getting 2 mgs every 10 min. on a PCA pump, cause the nurses were tierd of running in there only to go back out to the PIXUS to get another dose. But it works.
I guess that's why it would be my fave, because it's the only thing I can still get High from with a realatively small dose.
When I'm not in actue pain I dont need to be dosed every 10 min.
flipside
10-31-2006, 09:40 AM
[quote=jerzyjunk;50059]fent iz tha crack of opies very intense and lasts 15 minutes iv./quote]
Great anaology!!
vaxn8
10-31-2006, 10:02 AM
Hey dilaudid: What form is the time-release on Sophidone? Pellets/gel/wax/etc? Is it defeatable- like can you crush & sniff or crush & bang it? I've never heard of this stuff before. Is this in the US?
Nope, palladone is the absolute worst I have seen timed- release, more below the next quote.....
It's exactly the same as palladon, they have just changed the name (for the France) and it's still approved in my country.
It's in wax coated micro pellets, like the pills in this topic:
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=1714
I've never tried to inject them and I take them as prescribed so I don't really know but I think it's possible to bang them with the "bogumil method".
Nope, extremely difficult and you won't get anywhere near what is in the capsule into solution. Believe my I spent a long time working on these, tried everything from a/b extractions to solubulizing in alcohols. The problem is the matrix. It's plasticy like some of the morph folmulations but hard as rocks. Very difficult to crush, and even if you do, it doesn't seem to make the drug available. Hydormorph is very water soluble and I would say that out of 2-24mg caps, I was getting less than 2 mg out into solution. I have never been so happy to see a drug pulled from the market. Luckily, I only had to deal with them for about a month.
Again, they are definitely NOT like kadian or ms contin or avinza. Some of their inactives are also water soluble, so even filtering doesn't get rid of them. Also very little of the drug is released by crushing. I would love to see the work on the development of that timed-release formula. I'm sure if it came out again and i spent some time on it, I would eventually break it, but I haven't to this point.
chemboy7
10-31-2006, 02:22 PM
Hydromorphone (dilies) are just like fent.. no legs. I need something with a good rush and staying power. Thus I would allways choose either M or H over the rest.
Yeah, that's a valid point; here's what I like to do to counter it (when the option is available). First you plug a dose of Morphine, then slam your D. You have to know your tolerance and factor both drug dosages in, but let me tell you, it's awesome. You get that amazing Hydromorphone rush then right about the time the D high is starting to dwindle the Morphine body buzz is running strong... and last awhile.
Sitar
10-31-2006, 03:11 PM
I've heard that Fentanyl, although strong as far as the dosage, is less euphoric than other opiates like Morphine, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone, etc.
Any of you guys have input on that?
Narkotikon
10-31-2006, 03:45 PM
I've heard that Fentanyl, although strong as far as the dosage, is less euphoric than other opiates like Morphine, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone, etc.
Any of you guys have input on that?
For me, it's just a different kind of nod. Very sedating, short acting. It's euphoric, but it's just different than the euphoria from morphine. I don't get as much warmth with Fent or even oxy as I do with morphine. With morphine, I feel cocconed in a warm quilt of lovliness.
vaxn8
10-31-2006, 03:51 PM
I've heard that Fentanyl, although strong as far as the dosage, is less euphoric than other opiates like Morphine, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone, etc.
Any of you guys have input on that?
I'd totally disagree on this one. Euphoria can get subjective, but if you're talking about shooting pure fent, not something isolated from a patch or other source, it is a great high. If you tolerance is high enough to handle a bit of it, it is a great feeling. Only drug I've had that I've come to and had the rig still in me.
exitwound
10-31-2006, 04:00 PM
Well, at present I'm on Oxycodone exclusively, but that will hopefully change by next week. I hope to be on a combination of Fentanyl (which I voted for in the above poll) patches and Oxymorphone, or more Fentanyl, for breakthrough pain.
I can make the less-dangerous-for-our-baby argument with the patches versus pills such as my existing Oxycontin, but I'm not sure whether the Actiq lollipops/lozenges are more or less safe than Opana IR pills would be. Ultimately when it comes to the breakthrough medication I'll be using, I mostly care about which would be more effective along with the patches. Generally it's suggested that you use the same medication for base med & BT, but Opana has been getting such stellar reviews that I'd very much like to give it a try.
If for some reason my doc is "afraid" of the patches, then I'll probably end up on Opana ER as my base med. At least, I sure as hell hope so. I don't think that just taking more Oxy is going to get me to where I need to be.....that is, functional enough to keep myself and my wife from going bat-shit crazy trying to raise our kids and cope with my condition!
insaneike
10-31-2006, 10:02 PM
I've heard that Fentanyl, although strong as far as the dosage, is less euphoric than other opiates like Morphine, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone, etc.
Any of you guys have input on that?
You heard some bullshit, respectivly... LOTS of BS lol.
but wearing or taking fentanyl oraly IS more sedating then euphoric comapred to Hydromorphone(maybe oxy but oxy is down there with morphine) but when smoked or IV it's way better than street smack even(not kill shit tho!). SMoked fent is BETTER than IV morphine even man. Yes, in euphoria. I've had over 50 IV morphines and over 50 IM demerols all in my docs care, and when I smoke the gel from my Fent(sandoz brand) patches I MUCH prefer it! Euphoria and anagesic effects!
But when you wear the patches or eat them it is indeed more sedating than euphoric. You must smoke or IV fent for it's power...
Plus, those who smoke it and say it just knocked them out had a toler where a single OC40 would get them feeling OK i bet... right guys? If smoked fent jsut makes u sleep it's TOO DAMN STRONG, PUT IT DOWN!!!!
all in all, fentnayl is better than everything i've tried in euphoria aside from KILLER smack(better thana vg street shit tho), but keep in mind thats SMOKED fent no oral!!!
i wont even get into my Fentanyl/Midazolam IV experiences :D
later
JakeMyDog
10-31-2006, 10:52 PM
I would have to vote all of the above, on a rotating basis.
bronyraur
11-01-2006, 08:52 PM
gotta say IV hydromorphone. personally I experience an intense rush when I inject it. But I'll settle for morphine and oxycodone (that's what I'm prescribed).
southernbelle
11-02-2006, 06:35 AM
Mine is 10 mg lortab. I know, I know, oxy's are better and so are the rest, but that's all I can get my hands on. My husband gets them prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis and we also supplement. I had an acute case of diverticulitis that landed me in the hospital for a week last year. WHEEEE! I got IV dilaudid the whole time and lortabs when I got out. That was fun except for the IV in my hand. Hated it!! Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it........It's almost the weekend!! Yippeee!!!
I see 3 votes for methadone,OJ must have voted more than once.
Bastian
11-03-2006, 06:27 PM
There is absolutely nothing like a good ol' dose of Morphine...its just so lovely and wondeful! I love it. Gotta say morphine because some of my best experiences have been with morphine.
I also voted morphine. I personally dig the euphoria quite a bit, and how long lasting it is. Also, the price! OC has all this buzz around it and you can get some wicked deals on Morph because everyone would rather be spending more money on Oxy, and then snorting them repeatedly all day. I dig morphine for a million different reasons.
I'd just like to say MST is a far better hit,than diamorphine.Strange but true.
jgent99
11-04-2006, 06:38 AM
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djnarkotik
11-04-2006, 09:06 AM
how is the euphoria from smoked fentanyl? I remember someone saying once that smoked fentanly was the most euphoric high they had, even beating out non opiate drugs like ecstasy. that interests me as to me nothing has beaten the feeling of that first time on E.
Cybershark
11-05-2006, 04:58 PM
I voted for oxy as my favorite. It seems for me a good amount of Oxy mixed with some Hydro is a very nice up feeling for me. I love mophine as well as long as I do not have to get anything done LOL.
They both serve there purpose well and it just depends on what mood I am in! ;)
insaneike
11-05-2006, 05:04 PM
how is the euphoria from smoked fentanyl? I remember someone saying once that smoked fentanly was the most euphoric high they had, even beating out non opiate drugs like ecstasy. that interests me as to me nothing has beaten the feeling of that first time on E.
Well, I compare it to IV morphine, but better... but thats what I compare it to, IV oxy or IV morphine... it's also better than avg street smack(not kill smack now!!!). God how i LOOOOVE fenty fent fent! It's truly a godsend for chronic pain aswell.
later
SpecialGuy69
11-05-2006, 07:08 PM
Update: I never thought much of morphine because it's typically hidden deep in the recesses of some time-release mechanism, and it's often difficult to pry it loose. Well, yesterday, I crisped my Avinza's for the first time, and I was VERY impressed with the results. Taken orally, crisped Avinza is more euphoric than oral oxycodone. So, I get it now- morphine definitely has some serious staying power, too!
Update: I never thought much of morphine because it's typically hidden deep in the recesses of some time-release mechanism, and it's often difficult to pry it loose. Well, yesterday, I crisped my Avinza's for the first time, and I was VERY impressed with the results. Taken orally, crisped Avinza is more euphoric than oral oxycodone. So, I get it now- morphine definitely has some serious staying power, too!
Welcome, to the dark side ....
Narkotikon
11-05-2006, 07:14 PM
Update: I never thought much of morphine because it's typically hidden deep in the recesses of some time-release mechanism, and it's often difficult to pry it loose. Well, yesterday, I crisped my Avinza's for the first time, and I was VERY impressed with the results. Taken orally, crisped Avinza is more euphoric than oral oxycodone. So, I get it now- morphine definitely has some serious staying power, too!
I'm curious. What is crisping? Are you talking about getting rid of the waxy part of the time-release and snorthing the morphine?
chemboy7
11-05-2006, 08:22 PM
^^^ It's basically toasting the pill powder before you prepare it for IV or snort it to break the time release mechanism; just run "crisping" through the search engine and you'll find all you need to know on it.
Chemical_Boy
11-05-2006, 09:23 PM
^^^ It's basically toasting the pill powder before you prepare it for IV or snort it to break the time release mechanism; just run "crisping" through the search engine and you'll find all you need to know on it.
Could the crisping of the little balls (hehehe) be done in the oven at low heat? It seems like the whole idea with the lighter and spoon method is to distribute the heat as evenly as possible, without overheating any particular portion of the stuff. It seems to me that 5 or 10 minutes in the oven on 250 or so would be a pretty controlled environment for crisping. Has anyone tried this instead of "cooking" with flame?
insaneike
11-05-2006, 10:48 PM
Oh, guys, for those Avenza(or is it Atenza?) morph Capsules, hers what I did when I was on them. They recently switched me to perc 10s instead of the Atenza(sp?) 30s along with the fent patch...
Well when I had them, and tried to nsort, they burnt soooo bad, almost as bad as dones do. Plus it seemed like they were still time released toa n extant even after fully crushing and sniffing. Well first soak them in some WARM water. as little as possible, someone used these lil vials from morphine solutions(ironic huh) and put the stopper in and shook and and shook for like 30min atleast. Crush the powder fine before puttin in the liquid though. Then like every 5min hit the botton of the vial with a lighter to speed up the rpocess and to help defeat the time realease BS.
JUST DON'T BOIL THE WATER! Just heat enough to keep it nice and WARM(pretty dan warm tho). Next put a waded up peice of coffe filter into the botton fo a syringe(needle end CLIPPED/CUT off), then pull back and it filters the solution like you would for IV use, now pour/squirt the solution onto a plate, then let evap using a ahir dryer or on a electric stove eye on the LOWEST setting! Or you can just set it infront of a fan for best results. As morphine hates heat, so no need to use more than needed, but ti wont rlly amtter unless u use ALOT OF HOT HEAT, or you're trying to scrounge up every lil half mg...
Now if you don't wanna snort just drink the loquid before filtering even for an IR version of the Avenza/atenza morphine capsules.
Welp, figured I'd share that since the subject of defeating teh XR came up. You can also use this method on the Teva Oxy, msContins, and all other time released tabs or anything that may gel up(such as the teva and impax oxy and malli band msContin!!!). I'd also like to know if this ehlped anyone and such, feel free to give your comment on the write up, I love sharing opi info to ma fellow opiophilians :p
later
PantyShot9
11-07-2006, 04:52 PM
I would say hydromorphone the love of my life. After that would be methadone because although it's not as euphoric as other opiates it is always consistent at giving me a nod at the right dose and that is my favorite thing about opiates even more important to me than euphoria although both are better hence hydromorphone.
SpecialGuy69
11-07-2006, 05:04 PM
Chem- no need to use the stove- just spread a very thin layer of power over the spoon. It's not that big of a deal compared to how much you waste by not defeating the time-release mechanism. Let me know if you need directions on specifics. I'm thinking about putting together a pictorial thread on how to crisp because it seems like there's no definitive explanation with pictures, and a lot of people have questions. So let me know what you guys think- would it be worthwhile to make a pictorial how-to thread on crisping?
I was reluctant to try it for fear of ruining the morphine, but crisping is the ONLY way to do Avinzas.
BTW insaneike - what's atenza? different form of avinza?
chemboy7
11-07-2006, 09:28 PM
Chem- no need to use the stove- just spread a very thin layer of power over the spoon. It's not that big of a deal compared to how much you waste by not defeating the time-release mechanism. Let me know if you need directions on specifics. I'm thinking about putting together a pictorial thread on how to crisp because it seems like there's no definitive explanation with pictures, and a lot of people have questions. So let me know what you guys think- would it be worthwhile to make a pictorial how-to thread on crisping?
I was reluctant to try it for fear of ruining the morphine, but crisping is the ONLY way to do Avinzas.
BTW insaneike - what's atenza? different form of avinza?
Actually man, I have found foil to be superior to the spoon when it comes to crisping. See, with the spoon that shit cakes to the surface so hard that it has to be broke apart before puting into solution... your also heating through a pretty thick piece of metal (compared to the foil) so you have less control over your heat. You just barely have to touch the foil with the flame to get the powder nice and toasty, provided you spread it thin enough, then when your done all you have to do is fold the foil in half and rub it together where your shit is to get it all off and in a nice powdery consistency, then just go ahead and tilt the V of foil into your spoon and your good to go. That's the way that I do it and I have found that I have much less charred/burnt spots than with the spoon, then again if you don't know what your doing it would be alot easier to make mistakes (i.e. you really only need a second or so of heat to do the job, hold for too long and you'll be smoking it).
remybur12
11-08-2006, 12:04 PM
I like hydromorphone but I also like sublimaze(fentanyl). I am on the transdermal fentanyl patch and also I use actiq(fentanyl citarte) for breakthrough pain. I am also on dilaudid for breakthrough pain. and many more opaites including my illegal supply of diamorphine(pure heroin) from united kingdom.
SpecialGuy69
11-09-2006, 11:49 PM
Actually man, I have found foil to be superior to the spoon when it comes to crisping. See, with the spoon that shit cakes to the surface so hard that it has to be broke apart before puting into solution... your also heating through a pretty thick piece of metal (compared to the foil) so you have less control over your heat. You just barely have to touch the foil with the flame to get the powder nice and toasty, provided you spread it thin enough, then when your done all you have to do is fold the foil in half and rub it together where your shit is to get it all off and in a nice powdery consistency, then just go ahead and tilt the V of foil into your spoon and your good to go. That's the way that I do it and I have found that I have much less charred/burnt spots than with the spoon, then again if you don't know what your doing it would be alot easier to make mistakes (i.e. you really only need a second or so of heat to do the job, hold for too long and you'll be smoking it).
hey chem- check out my new thread, I posted how I do it, including how to get it off the spoon- you just gotta push it together while its still molten. let me know what you think!
satori
12-05-2006, 12:14 PM
Im fine with 10/325 oxycodone/apap. If not that then hydrocodone or codeine.
jerzyjunk
12-05-2006, 01:12 PM
different stroke fa different folks.People bodies metabolize different chemicall at diferent times.i for one am not A FENT fan.its like crack but a synthetic opi.Done (live juice)on the other hand last long, you cAN Liv A PRODUTABLE LIFE and still have your cake call me dumd but dont have to worry bout runnin out early but if i could get a ret it woul be those old school hydromorpones just h20 was cessesary
insaneike
12-10-2006, 07:12 PM
.its like crack but a synthetic opi
Yeah, fentnanyl is the crack of opiates!!! It's also truly a godsend for chronic pain! I swear... I really do find t superior to smack and IV morphine! Now fent can't even touch kill smack as far as euphoria goes! But in analgesic effect, fent is probably the hands down best thing I've ever ingested! For pain it is truly a godsend!
but when you smoke it on foil it is the crack of opiates. One intense ass rush and high, and doesn't last long! It'll hit you like a tank too if you're not rdy or know how to properly dose :D you'll be noddin balls, but it just won't last long(like crack lol)...
For me, fentanyl is no doubt the best opioid... but like 80+% of my use is for pain so... I would probably go with the Hydromorphone if the goal was to get high(the fent still pwnz oxy and done BY FAR as far as euphoria goes to me, but then again someone also smokes their fent...). THough oral/transdermal/sub-lingual Fentnayl is not a lick better than Oxy as fat as euphoria goes, those routes of using Fent are just sedating more so than euphoric, hell if the fent is used as directed I don't even find it that recreational comapred to other stuff... but when smoked.... mmmm, i'll take it over the morphine and dem shots anyday!(i've never used these IV drug outside a docs care btw).
dunno if i done said this or not but i just had to comment on the fent = crack of opis thing :p
later
wafflehead77
12-10-2006, 07:44 PM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
I use for pain, but I dont mind having fun at the same time. You are right about fentanyl if you think it is superior for pain relief, but I dont think it is that great recreationally. To me it has a very articficial high to it, probably because it is not a true opiate/opiod (I believe it is in the phenylpiperidine class), but it does express great affinity for the mu receptors.
I would say hydromorphone, first, then oxy, then morph, them fent, then methadone. But this is just my opinion.
Inspektahdek
12-11-2006, 05:49 PM
hydro wasnt included on this list, I myself prefer oxy but hydro has a longer duration and sometime I prefer that at times over oxy. Some people like hydro better in general because of its sedation factor
euphoria2002
12-11-2006, 06:23 PM
My pharm of choice? Hmmmm, that's a good question.
What factors do I consider? Obviously the effectiveness. Duration of effect. Side effects, how many, how bad, and for how long. Availability is important, as well as price. Lastly, I'd consider ease of use.
If it was just the drug itself.... I'd pick Tussionex. Hands down, that's the greatest stuff there is. 5 mg of hydrocodone in every spoonful. Works good, lasts for hours and hours, very little in the way of unpleasant side effect, it even tastes nice. The only drawback is.... it's hard to get, and around here it's WAY expensive.... even if you're buying from the pharm with an Rx.
160mgsAday
12-11-2006, 06:47 PM
Oxy by far. I have tried every opiate and iv'd many of them. fuck ive even iv'd fentanyl. Sure fentanyl gets u high, i mean ive eaten whole 75 mcg patches at a time, but brand name oxys, they are the best with 30 mg roxis after that. They get u the best buz, most euphoric, and most functional in my opinion.
but its only my opinion. Id love a scrip of fent or dillies though. fuck man. id love a scrip of vics. I have real bad back pain, degenerative discs, and shoulder pain (torn rotator from years of pitching in baseball) and they treat me like shit and give me like 2 months worth of t3s and sometimes percocet. But im going in to a pain management doc soon and ive heard he is good and dishes good longacting meds out. Sorry for getting off subject but ya, oxys rule.
insaneike
12-12-2006, 05:14 PM
My pharm of choice? Hmmmm, that's a good question.
What factors do I consider? Obviously the effectiveness. Duration of effect. Side effects, how many, how bad, and for how long. Availability is important, as well as price. Lastly, I'd consider ease of use.
If it was just the drug itself.... I'd pick Tussionex. Hands down, that's the greatest stuff there is. 5 mg of hydrocodone in every spoonful. Works good, lasts for hours and hours, very little in the way of unpleasant side effect, it even tastes nice. The only drawback is.... it's hard to get, and around here it's WAY expensive.... even if you're buying from the pharm with an Rx.
Oh really now? I can get a buttle(4-6oz) of Codiclear(the best form of Hydro-Tussin that I'm aware of) basically anytime. The doc the got me started in fent(One COOOOOL fucker!) will give me a bottle everytime I see him as long as I say 'my throat feels sore and hurts when I swallow'. Like everyone around here goes to this doc and gets the stuff, even ppl with smoker coughs lol. It's also the 5mg per spoonful... At the local pharmacy it's only $21.50 I think for the 4oz bottles(120mg i think?), this is for the generic CodiClear made by ETHEX. REALLY good tasting stuff too, kind of like the green jolley ranchers, lemon/lime falvour, with a bunch of cough drops mixed in. exactly what it tastes like...
I basicly give all mine away, I had no idea it goes for more than the Lortabs do, or does it? I've been just letting friends have at it when they visit lol. but then again I don't rlly use hydro anymore, but it'd still be nice to know what the stuff is worth. Like if the Lortab 10s can go fro $3 how much would the CodiClear run? hehe.
later
euphoria2002
12-12-2006, 07:05 PM
Insanelike
120 ml of that stuff should be equivalent to 16 vicodins in terms of mg's of hydro.
How much is it worth? Good question, but the answer depends on how much do people like the stuff. I'd pay $$ for it of course, seeing as it's one of my personal faves. But if nobody else gives a rats ass, you're not going to sell it for much.
Still, it should go for something close to the price of say, 12 vicodins.... maybe more.
I'd prescribe it for myself if I could, but there are rules against that sort of thing. Not a road I'd want to travel anyways.
insaneike
12-12-2006, 07:24 PM
but to you would it be worth more than the same dose in Lortabs or Vics? Like would 120mg of CodiClear sell for more than 120mg of Lortab? If so I've been missing out lol.
God, I so wish I could go back to when these Lortab and Codiclear was good stuff... :(
later
euphoria2002
12-12-2006, 07:46 PM
To me it would be worth the same because I like the format. A nice tasty, time release liquid without ASA or APAP screwing everything up.
Someone else might not like that because of the time release formulation.... polystyrex or something like that. As I remember, it's basically an edible plastic (yecchh!) that contains the Hydro. It releases the stuff into the GI tract over a period of some hours. I like that because it gave a nice, sustained high.If I wanted to get a little higher, I just took a little more.
A lot of users don't like it that way. They want it to kick in hard and fast. Like chewing 80's or shooting H. Again, it's supply and demand, if it's easy to get and the demand isn't very high, the price tends to be lower.
insaneike
12-12-2006, 08:09 PM
How could u bring 80s and shooting dope into this convo lol, i kid.. i kid..., i know you were just referring :p
but the hydrocodone in Codiclear is time released!?!? I've only heard of a time released cough syrup like that as in Dextromethorphan(DXM) Polistrex(sp?). Had no idea they had Hydrocodone Polilistirix(sp?).... i don't get the least effect from hydro anyway so i don't notice a thing from it lol, I only even keep like 10 of my monthly Lortabs lol, and like I done said let friends have at the Codiclear when i feel like going to get some from the doc.
I was just wondering if the Codiclear(hydro-tussin) would sell more per dose than the Lortabs would... nothing more lol. but they sell for the same to you per dose(anyone who buys lortabs and the hydro-tussin plz comment if u don't mind)? damnit, i was hoping the syrup would be worth more lol, but someone lets it go for ALOT less than he does the tabs...
and the syrup is no better than the pills it seems if you have a tolerance and need a decent amounts(80mg+)... as the Codiclear contains 5mg Hydrocodone and 100mg Guaifenesin per spoonful or 5mL. The Guaifen isn't as harmful as Acetaminophen is in one whole bottles worth but it makes you VERRRRY nauseous! you know that tho since u like the syrup i bet but someone reading this might night ya know.
dman, the oxy n 'dones are kicking in nicely and I just gotsta talking out my ass about some BS, my bad :D:cloud9:
later
euphoria2002
12-14-2006, 07:41 PM
Well I don't really know about codi-clear from personal experience.
I've only ever tried the Tussionex, and it was definitely a time-release formulation. You can tell by the taste. The polystyrix(?) makes it taste a little bit like that glue we used to use back in kindergarden. You know, that gold colored stuff in the clear bottle with the red rubber tip? And don't go denying that you never tasted!;)
Anyways, There was this girl that SWIM Rx'd it to..... she said it wasn't working and brought back almost a full bottle. So SWIM gratefully accepted it and got 2 or 3 uses out of it. SWIM still has fond memories of Tussionex............ and he would no doubt enjoy codi-clear or whatever else if his tolerance hadn't gone through the roof bc of poppy tea.
But that was the good old days!
candyshop
12-14-2006, 09:45 PM
....i voted yes
Duckfeet
12-14-2006, 10:11 PM
I'm sick: I've had all kinds of pharmys, and still haven't found anything that beat a crushed up K4 dilaudid in the morning. Even the liquid never seemed as good. But I gotta admit, back before hydrocodone wasn't even on the radar of anybody, we all noticed just how good Tussionex was. It was usually some non-junky would get it. My *wife* got it, and her and some other women all shared this shit, and were gigglin and scratchin and talkin shit just like bunch of idiots after slammin heroin. Got my attention: looked it up in PDR...hydrocodone? Never heard of it. Back before vicodin and lortabs and shit was discovered, this was *very* interesting cough syrup;...
euphoria2002
12-18-2006, 06:55 PM
Something NEW!!
Well, to me at least... SWIM got this fromsomeone he knows. It's called Drombinol or something like that. It comes in these blue and white gel capsules. It's supposed to be THC.... the active ingredient in marijuana.
SWIM just got one. Never smoked up before because SWIM doesn't smoke (honest). SWIM took the little capsule and waited. It was kind of different.... some alcohol was added to "get things going". Eventually an interesting kind of high was noted.... different. Not as good as an opiate buzz, but not bad either.
Anyone else tried this stuff?
Anyone else tried this stuff?
Yeah I have, and then I sold em and bought some chronic.
insaneike
12-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Something NEW!!
Well, to me at least... SWIM got this fromsomeone he knows. It's called Drombinol or something like that. It comes in these blue and white gel capsules. It's supposed to be THC.... the active ingredient in marijuana.
Anyone else tried this stuff?
I've tried the synthetic THC pills, they were tablets though, not capsules, and were a reddish color. I took two of them... waited, and it basicly just made me hungry, no buzz or nothing like toking up gives! So I took 2 more and well, it just made me a tad drowsy and VERY hungry! and I don't get the munhchies anymore btw from toking... Been toking for like... 9years basically daily... Well after the last two were taken I started toking up to make it worthwile. Smokged a J(or was it a blunt?) with a buddy and a few bowls... all in all, those pills suck ass to me, they don't have none the high that pot does, just the hungar and drowsyness...
Maybe cause THC isn't the only thing in marijuana that makes the buzz how it is, of course lol... THC is only part of the good stuff!
so ya, I would never spend $ on those things! I don't even smoke bud anymore(rlly don't, i got a thread as to why in 'other drugs').
applesauce
12-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Something NEW!!
Well, to me at least... SWIM got this fromsomeone he knows. It's called Drombinol or something like that. It comes in these blue and white gel capsules. It's supposed to be THC.... the active ingredient in marijuana.
SWIM just got one. Never smoked up before because SWIM doesn't smoke (honest). SWIM took the little capsule and waited. It was kind of different.... some alcohol was added to "get things going". Eventually an interesting kind of high was noted.... different. Not as good as an opiate buzz, but not bad either.
Anyone else tried this stuff?
I don't like Marinol (dronabinol) at all. I gave a bunch of mine to friends so they could try them out, because they're so uncommon on the street (partly because they have to be kept refrigerated). They added to a pot buzz if you smoked, but by themselves they were almost worthless. Full disclosure: SWIM smokes a LOT of pot so tolerance should be considered).
These were the 10mg orange ones, the biggest they make.
Opi>dope
12-18-2006, 09:35 PM
how often do people get scripted marinol, I honestly can`t recall ever coming across someone with a script for it but I guess It all depends on a persons condition and if their doctor agrees with a good use for it, by the way under what circumstances is it usually given?
Chemical_Boy
12-18-2006, 10:22 PM
I don't like Marinol (dronabinol) at all. I gave a bunch of mine to friends so they could try them out, because they're so uncommon on the street (partly because they have to be kept refrigerated). They added to a pot buzz if you smoked, but by themselves they were almost worthless. Full disclosure: SWIM smokes a LOT of pot so tolerance should be considered).
These were the 10mg orange ones, the biggest they make.
I got a hold of some of those once-not scripted or anything, I think they were stolen because I don't know where someone would get any of these with out a SERIOUS illness. Anyway, I tried eating a couple and nothing happened. Well, I was smoking grass anyway so I don't really know if anything happened. So the next time I ate them, I made sure that I was straight and I ate the 7 that I had left. In an hour or so, I suddenly realized I was baked- just without smoking any weed to get there. I wasn't rocked off my ass or anything, but my eyes were a little squinty, I was hungry, and I definitely had a bit of a head change going on. Seemed to last a while, but I started smoking bud anyway and then I was fuckin' baked. I'd rather get a handful of vicodin or some weak opie like that than the Marinols, but I wouldn't turn my nose up to them if I ever came across them again (not that it is very likely. . .)
kyuss
12-18-2006, 10:55 PM
same here
on the marinol.
It sucked
I ended up giving
them away
flipside
12-19-2006, 01:26 AM
how often do people get scripted marinol, I honestly can`t recall ever coming across someone with a script for it but I guess It all depends on a persons condition and if their doctor agrees with a good use for it, by the way under what circumstances is it usually given?
They are usually R'd for chemotherapy patients to help with the Nausea and vommiting.
Narkotikon
12-19-2006, 01:38 AM
That's what I thought too. I took a drug class my junior year in college, and it was easy for me because I had done a lot of different drugs by then, and have always been interested in chemcicals. But when I asked the question why the need for legalized pot (it was in early 2003 when California was passing those laws about medical marijuana) since they had marinol, he was stumped. I've never had marinol, but from what I understand it's sort of a squishy gel cap thing with gooey stuff inside, I'm guessing because THC is fat soluble. I could be wrong though. As far as pot, I must have a VERY low tolerance to it, because I can smoke about a fourth of what a normal person would some to get stoned. If I smoke like normal people, I get really paranoid. But, I also think it has to do with the situation. Somewhere along the way when I was hanging out in gay clubs in Cincy when I took two years off from college in 2000-02, I was around some bad people, and I think that affected me somehow. so, now, unless i'm alone or around people I really really trust and only smoke a little, I get really paranoid. Although, I must admitt, my favorite thing to do on pot is to listen to music because it sounds SO MUCH better and to watch movies. I love the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I swear that anime looks so realistic when I'm stoned. Danmned, now I want a joint. A guy I used to work with at the law office smokes up a lot, maybe I'll call him today and see if he can get me joint. My sister approves of that, and was going to get me some of that tonight, but I wanted the seeds instead. Maybe I'll ask for a joint tomorrow. I mean, really, a joint will last me four or five times getting stoned. I just have a really really low tolerance to it.
Edit: Oh, but duh, stupid me. I think I've already voted for morphine, but if I haven't, I'd vote hydromorphone if I was in heaven and had a choice, then morphine (hydromorp and morph both IV), then Fent because it's not long lasting enough, then the oxy, then the methadone.
i'm with ya Nark, I can't smoke much at all or it becomes very unpleasant. I get completely stoned on nothin. But as to a why marijuana instead of marinol, marinol costs $1000 a month.
SpecialGuy69
12-23-2006, 07:57 AM
^ so does a couple ounces of good weed. Just seems like the real answer is maranol sucks and it's a half-ass substitute for the real thing. Why would a pharmaceutical company even bother to go through all the work to make maranol IF they could just grow and sell pot... I'd imagine they have to be a little bitter seeing the grow clubs in cali, thinking of all the $ they are missing out on.
^ so does a couple ounces of good weed. Just seems like the real answer is maranol sucks and it's a half-ass substitute for the real thing. Why would a pharmaceutical company even bother to go through all the work to make maranol IF they could just grow and sell pot... I'd imagine they have to be a little bitter seeing the grow clubs in cali, thinking of all the $ they are missing out on.
Whoa dude, you could go through a couple ounces of good weed in 1 month? Even if I smoked everyday I could last a few months on 1 oz. Guess I'm lucky like that ... or not since I don't ever toke up. Had to chose the expensive doc, didn't I. :rolleyes:
youwonhundred
12-23-2006, 09:06 AM
used to smoke like a quarter ounce of pretty good weed every day, so yah, its possible to smoke a few ounces in a month.
Dolophine
12-23-2006, 09:50 AM
Something NEW!!
Well, to me at least... SWIM got this from someone he knows. It's called Drombinol or something like that. It comes in these blue and white gel capsules. It's supposed to be THC.... the active ingredient in marijuana.
SWIM just got one. Never smoked up before because SWIM doesn't smoke (honest). SWIM took the little capsule and waited. It was kind of different.... some alcohol was added to "get things going". Eventually an interesting kind of high was noted.... different. Not as good as an opiate buzz, but not bad either.
Anyone else tried this stuff?
I've tried something similar. I think it's actually an analog of DRONABINOL . It's synthetic THC and the name for it is Nabilone (CESAMET). The pills are red and yellow. It is basically a few hash brownies in a pill. lol. I've heard other people that are used to smoking weed don't like them but I have smoked 10000 joints in my day and ate more than enough hash brownies and drank enough marijuana tea to know the effects of high grade marijuana. And these Nabilone pills totally recreate a marijuana high! They may be synthetic but the high is the same as eating pot. Not smoking it. Eating it. The only thing is, it gets you high for about 24-48 hours. You feel totally stoned and when you first take a few it just creeps up on you after a few hours. You won't even notice it kick in fast just slowly over time you will notice you are whacked out of your skull and hallucinating and totally body buzzed. It's insane.
Marinol (Dronabinol) comes in dosages of 2.5mg, 5mg, and 10mg. Cesamet (Nabilone) comes in dosages of .25mg, .50mg, 1mg, 2mg. So you can almost surely bet that Nabilone (Cesamet) is the stronger Cannabinoid and this may give a better effect than Marinol. Almost all the literature I have read supports the higher potency of Nabilone to Dronabinol. What do you think?
DRONABINOL is MARINOL. So, the NABILONE (CESAMET) I had is different than those 2 drugs, but very similar. It's just an analog of them. But the effects are = or better. I happen to think they are better than Marinol, but people may not agree. Here is some info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabilone)
ATTACHED PICTURES:
delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC is the first picture)
Nabilone (delta 9 THC analog) is the SECOND picture.
Important Safety Information2 from www.cesamet.net (http://www.cesamet.net)
Cesamet (Nabilone), a synthetic cannabinoid similar to the active ingredient found in naturally occurring Cannabis sativa L. [Marijuana; delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC)], is contraindicated in any patient who has a history of hypersensitivity to any cannabinoid. Patients receiving treatment with Cesamet (Nabilone) should be specifically warned not to drive, operate machinery, or engage in any hazardous activity while receiving Cesamet. During controlled clinical trials of Cesamet (Nabilone), virtually all patients experienced at least one adverse reaction. The most commonly encountered events were drowsiness, vertigo, dry mouth, euphoria (feeling “high”), ataxia, headache, and concentration difficulties. Cesamet should not be taken with alcohol, sedatives, hypnotics, or other psychoactive substances because these substances can potentiate the central nervous system (CNS) effects of nabilone.
I hope you won't think this info is useless. Since we were talking about pharmaceuticals I thought I should speak about this drug since it's very rare and it was recently approved by the FDA so some of you may come into contact with it and wonder about it. If it's useless info just scrap the post. Thanks, Dolophine. Oh, and, MY FAVOURITE PHARMACEUTICAL is the Done aka Dolophine.
Narkotikon
12-23-2006, 04:56 PM
Yeah, I can see Marinol being expensive, but like someone said, so is really really good weed. KY weed is pretty damned good, and the last time I bought any, which was about five years ago, I paid about $200 for a quarter of an ounce, and that lasted me for an entire month, and that was smoking every day. I just can't smoke a lot of pot because I get really paranoid. I don't know why that is. The first time I smoked it I giggled and laughed and loved it, then when I started going to clubs stoned I felt like I was in a bad place, because you know who judgemental some of those fags can be. Ever since then I just get really paranoid. I feel like I'm playing mind games with Satan and if I loose I'm going to die or something. I mean, it's really really bad, that's why I never smoke anymore. The last time I got stoned was in April of 2005, and all I got was a joint and that lasted me for a week.
But as to the main topic, I vote emphatically again for IV morphine. I loved those Kadians. I'd love to fuck a big blow up Kadian pill. Next I'll have to try IV dilaudid. I've done the 2mg pills orally once about three years ago, and those weer good because I had no tolerance then, but I can't imagine what it would be like IV'd now.
-Skrilla-
12-27-2006, 03:42 PM
My fav pharm is the good ole blue watson 540(non-generic lortab)....
I used to have a tolerance of 2-3 80's a day, and these blue lors still wet my whistle. They are mellow, have very little side effects, and if used conservatively can be very nice for daily use. The fillers in them can be harsh on the liver, but not as bad as other things.... I am not a big fan of the nod, and I enjoy the euphoric high from them...
-Skrill
SalvationThroughDilaudid
12-27-2006, 04:00 PM
The name says it all, good ol' hydromorphone. For me it produces a cleaner euphoria than oxy. Hydrocodone is good too, but it's starting to take way too much to be practical considering the apap involved. I've had less variety than most of you guys though, here's my list:
codiene
dihydrocodiene
hydrocodone
oxycodone
mepredine
butorphanol
nubain
hydromophone
tramadol (not really sure if this is a real opiate or not, but whatever)
And to answer ike, I use mostly for pain both physical and emotional, but it doesn't hurt to catch the occasional nod either :cool:
Nothing can top oxys, they give you energy and there an opiate! What other opiate does that. Plus you can snort them :) . Plus, the endos come in pretty colors.
djnarkotik
01-05-2007, 04:44 PM
the synthetic THC idea is fucked. Just another way a pharm company wants to make money. Nature in all her glory beats out chemists anyday. The active chemicals in Cannabis are more then just THC. The various cannabinoids act synergetically and balance each other out for a good high. Jus like opium with it array of alkaloids.
I like morphine probably the best of all the things I've been prescribed. There is just a smoothness I can't really praise enough. I've always loved oxycodone but at times it can be too rough if you will.
For my daily pain, use without interfering with work, and my ability to perform normal functions I'd have to choose hydrocodone. It may only take 10% of the pain away but it puts my mind in a place where I'm not so frustrated with the pain. It allows me to think about something else rather being so frustrated or obsessed with my back.
GnosisX
01-13-2007, 12:43 PM
I'd have to say Oxycodone. I just love snorting those damn things almost as much as I love snorting dope.
paper skeletons
01-16-2007, 11:12 PM
fent. hands down. i'd like to take one witha midazolam. mmmmmmmm.
euphoria2002
02-15-2007, 08:39 PM
After much thought and careful consideration...... my favorite pharm = Anything!
As long as there's LOT'S of it, enough to keep me on the snowy white peak of the mountain top all night long.
Euphoria
chemboy7
02-16-2007, 04:35 AM
Yeah, I can see Marinol being expensive, but like someone said, so is really really good weed. KY weed is pretty damned good, and the last time I bought any, which was about five years ago, I paid about $200 for a quarter of an ounce, and that lasted me for an entire month, and that was smoking every day. I just can't smoke a lot of pot because I get really paranoid. I don't know why that is. The first time I smoked it I giggled and laughed and loved it, then when I started going to clubs stoned I felt like I was in a bad place, because you know who judgemental some of those fags can be. Ever since then I just get really paranoid. I feel like I'm playing mind games with Satan and if I loose I'm going to die or something. I mean, it's really really bad, that's why I never smoke anymore. The last time I got stoned was in April of 2005, and all I got was a joint and that lasted me for a week.
But as to the main topic, I vote emphatically again for IV morphine. I loved those Kadians. I'd love to fuck a big blow up Kadian pill. Next I'll have to try IV dilaudid. I've done the 2mg pills orally once about three years ago, and those weer good because I had no tolerance then, but I can't imagine what it would be like IV'd now.
WOW!!!
I wouldn't pay $200 for a 1/4 ounce of any weed... maybe a 1/4 pound; I don't care if it's the strongest strain ever known to man grown in optimum conditions and perfectly cured, sticky, and full of crystals. That's just too much for too little of weed. I mean I am currently smoking close to a 1/4 a day, that'd be about a $1400 a week habit just for the appitizer I enjoy with my real drugs. I don't think I would pay more than $65 a 1/4 unless it was truely spectacular.
OxyContinuously
02-16-2007, 09:30 AM
it's all gravy, though. personally my fav. is dilaudid, or oxy only because Fent is unheard of near me (i have smoked it, eaten it, sublingualed it, etc. and i do agree insaneike that it is really good)
Oxy
HeidiW
02-16-2007, 11:16 AM
some one send me some of that UK diamorphine, I got in a car wreck BAD ONE on Valentines' Day, in a neck brace, my head hit the windshield, busted the corneas in my eyes. I have to get glasses now.
Then the fuckhead
ER doc accuses me of fishy behavior because I didn't file a police report. Well who the fuck wants to do that?
I don't call the police for ANY reason. I went off that mf last night and had hospital security called on me. I guess I'm lucky I didn't get arrested or killed.
Sorry to be rambling about my bullshit, Sight is too bad to try to figure out how to post new thread right now.
lstar7
02-16-2007, 09:45 PM
I only had it once... 6 mg IM and it was one of the best things I ever felt...Dilaudid
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyummy
HeidiW
02-16-2007, 10:13 PM
Aw, you must get Dilaudid, get the HP, IV ONLY.
If any of y'all ever believe my rants, believe this one.
CMonk
02-17-2007, 04:59 PM
I love OC. Dilaudid rush is awesome, and the length of methadone is awesome, but when it comes to quality of high, OC is the best.
Woowoo
02-17-2007, 10:09 PM
I was "clean" for almost 24 hours yesterday and broke my fast with this
http://www.uncharted.org/frownland/pix/dilaudid.gif
Gawwwwwwwwwd damn. So fuckin good it makes me cry. Brings a grown man to his knees.
Woowoo
02-17-2007, 10:13 PM
Heidi what do you mean when you say HP? Is that the high potency injectable or some kind of pill I don't know about or the pill in my picture?
HeidiW
02-17-2007, 11:16 PM
Dilaudid HP is available as an IM or IV injection in the hospital, it's 10mg. of hydromorphone.
youwonhundred
02-17-2007, 11:33 PM
Dilaudid HP is available as an IM or IV injection in the hospital, it's 10mg. of hydromorphone.
Damn, girl, talkin about that sort of thing is pure dope porn!
*drools*
HeidiW
02-17-2007, 11:41 PM
Yes, almost an instant orgasm for me just reminiscing (sp?) about the few and fortunate times I've had it in the hospital. That feeling of complete and utterly wondrous bliss rivals winning the lottery
youwonhundred
02-17-2007, 11:43 PM
Yes, almost an instant orgasm for me just reminiscing (sp?) about the few and fortunate times I've had it in the hospital. That feeling of complete and utterly wondrous bliss rivals winning the lottery
Shoot, like we were talkin about this morning, money is just a means to an end. The dope is much better. Of course, winning the lottery would mean I could buy as much dope as I wanted.:D
insaneike
02-18-2007, 01:58 PM
got in a car wreck BAD ONE on Valentines' Day, in a neck brace, my head hit the windshield, busted the corneas in my eyes. I have to get glasses now.
Then the fuckhead
ER doc accuses me of fishy behavior because I didn't file a police report. Well who the fuck wants to do that?
I don't call the police for ANY reason. I went off that mf last night and had hospital security called on me. I guess I'm lucky I didn't get arrested or killed.
God damn girl... i wish u lived around here n i'd share the wealth... i wish you good luck with that crap. Hmm, i also am on the hunt for a few amps of diacetmorph :D:D :D
but until then*pops three roxis with two 'dones and hits the fentanyl foil*:cool:
oh, n get feelin better heidi!!!
im scripted oxy's, I use them for pain, but the high/fun is a by product, hell to get thru this pain your at least allowed to enjoy life painfree as possible :D
TsarBomba
02-18-2007, 07:59 PM
Who the heck is actually saying morphine is a weak opiate???
that's insanity. seriously!!! Morphine is one of the most powerful pain killers in the world. It's the daddy of all opiates...without morphine there would not be any of the other opiates.
Morphine is more euphoric than Fentanyl. morphine is an actual OPIOID/NARCOTIC, whereas fentanyl is a synthetic (morphine binds to the mu receptor stronger than fentanyl does - hence more euphoria and addiction potential). Fentanyl doesn't have the same effect that morphine/heroin/hydromorphone have.
Fentanyl is highly potent and is very very effective for pain, but that doesn't mean anything....it only means it takes less of it to get the same amount of pain relief. Side effects and euphoria are separate from potency. Fentanyl's recreational effects are more like Demerols than they are like morphine/heroin/dilaudid.
Out of the listed drugs, Oxycodone is best if you want to do orally.
But if you are shooting, Morphine and Hydromorphone are the best. Way better than any of the others on the list.
If smoking, morphine is best.
HistoryofMadness
02-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Fentanyl is highly potent and is very very effective for pain, but that doesn't mean anything....it only means it takes less of it to get the same amount of pain relief. Side effects and euphoria are separate from potency. Fentanyl's recreational effects are more like Demerols than they are like morphine/heroin/dilaudid.
well maybe they affect people differently b/c i've done a lot of all of these and i got SO fucked up on fent i was really surprised... maybe you're talking about if taken as prescribed or something..
i chewed up a fent patch and was much more fucked up than i would have been unless i'd taken a large dose of the others. . .
i like H best, the hydromorphone, but to me fent is next, then morph...
HeidiW
02-18-2007, 11:02 PM
I want the diamorphine, I think I've done everything but that. Is it anywhere in the US?
TsarBomba
02-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Heidi...Diamorphine is Heroin. Unless you're talking about something else??
HistoryofMadness...I personally never found fentanyl to be as good as morph, heroin or dilaudid. I've never done oxymorphone, but i'm sure that is better than fentanyl aswell. There is something about the original alkaloid (morphine) and the semi-synthetics (like dilaudid, heroin, oxymorphone) that just feel much better.
Fentanyls recreational effects were like demerol - good, but just not as good as the others.
TsarBomba
02-19-2007, 01:27 AM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
Yes morphine may not be as potent as fentanyl, but it is stronger. Scientific studies have proven it. In fact, all studies comparing opiates to morphine showed that morphine was most effective for pain relief. It was equaled only by heroin, in both pain relief and euphoria (I have a link to that study aswell, just ask for it and I will send it to you).
Morphine is not a "weak" opioid, it is the strongest painkiller known to mankind. Fentanyl is not even truly an opiate. It is a synthetic, with effects more similar to demerol than to morphine, heroin, or hydromorphone.
Here is the research paper comparing morphine and fentanyl....:
"Adequate postoperative analgesia without side effects is necessary to facilitate same-day discharge of ambulatory patients after ambulatory surgery. This study compared the use of intravenous morphine and fentanyl after painful ambulatory procedures with respect to analgesic efficacy, the incidence of side effects, and impact on the patient's readiness for discharge. Fifty-eight patients undergoing ambulatory surgery were prospectively randomized to receive morphine or fentanyl for postoperative analgesia and studied in double-blind fashion. The drugs were administered in equipotent doses in the postanesthesia care unit (PACU) and were titrated against pain scores until a visual analog score < 40 mm was achieved and the patient was satisfied with the level of analgesia. In the ambulatory surgical unit, oral analgesia was available. Pain scores, amount of analgesia used, the incidence of side-effects (nausea and vomiting, sedation and dizziness), the times to achieve recovery milestones, and fitness for discharge were studied. Equal amounts of morphine and fentanyl were used in the PACU, but pain scores were higher in the fentanyl group in the ambulatory surgical unit. In addition, the fentanyl group required more oral analgesia than the morphine group (69% vs 17%; P < 0.0002). The incidence of in-hospital side effects was similar. However, the morphine group had a more frequent incidence of postdischarge nausea and vomiting than the fentanyl group (59% vs 24%; P < 0.016). There was no significant difference in the duration of stay in the PACU (morphine vs fentanyl, 69 +/- 15 min vs 71 +/- 20 min), the times to achieve recovery milestones, and fitness for discharge (morphine vs fentanyl, 136 +/- 41 min vs 132 +/- 40 min). The short duration of fentanyl was not associated with faster discharge times; most patients required additional analgesia to control pain. Morphine produced a better quality of analgesia but was associated with an increased incidence of nausea and vomiting, the majority of which occurred after discharge."
morphine in IV is the gold standard of opiates
oral it has the worst bio availabilty of them all 30% or something like that
insaneike
02-19-2007, 12:01 PM
LMAO!!!Morph stronge painkiller known to mankind!?!?! yeeeeeah, ok dude. :p not nowadays!
and heroin is NOT as good a painkiller as fentanyl, and it beats the shit outta morph. Good/purish heroin does NOT have as good of analgesic effects as Fentnayl, or even Hydromorphone does, but Fentanyl or hydromorph will never eveeeeer touch the euphoria or recreational effects heroin gives. Heroin is the hands down best most euphoric high out of all opiate/oids!
Fentanyl IS stronger the morphine dummie, haha.. It's only what, 40x stronger? It's stronger than heroin man! It's analgesic effects make it the strongest painkiller you're gonna get scripted(there are stronger fentanyl analogs but i dont think they're for home use). The euphoria of fent is way better than morph, like 10x man! You just said it yourself that you've never tried fentanyl..
and smoked fentanyl is comparable to IV morphine, sure is, but better! I've talked to too many users of both and from my exp to be convinced otherwise, cause well, first hand exp is much more accurate than what you find on the web man!
and being synthetic opioids or natural opiates means jack fucking shit! Fentanyl fully an OPIOID if you wanna say it that way. Meaning it's not a natural narcotic from the poppy plant basically. You obviously have a lil love for morph and just want everyone else too, but guess huh, NOT HAPPENIN! Not in this word or on fentanyl's watch:cool:
Now if you sue fentnayl transdermaly or oraly yes it DOES suck, it's more so sedating than euphoric, I bearly call it recreational cause I personally don't like the noddy sleepy effects but the euphoric uppy blissfulness. Now smoked or IV fent is the ONLY way to use it!!! and then the euphoria and analgesic effects are better than IV morph, street heroin, and anyhting else of this sorts. It doesn't come near the recreational effects/euphoria of PURISH or kill smack/diamorphine tho!!! Nothing does! but in anagesic effets fentanyl is like 3-6x stronger than heroin and like 40+x stronger than morphine. IT'S A SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN FACT! DO A 5MIN GOOGLE SEARCH! Jeez man, lol.
Wait till this kid tries fentanyl :rolleyes: 'nuff said end of it!
robojunkie
02-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Morphine is not a "weak" opioid, it is the strongest painkiller known to mankind.
Etorphine, Carfentanyl!!!
Yeah, maybe you can say the carfentanyl isn't an opiate but an opioid but etorphine sure as eu-phucking-phoria is!!! At least if you define it as being a derivative of the naturally occurring morphinan/phenantrene family.
PS: I'll trade ya some morphine for some etorphine, gram for gram! Interested? (j/k)
TsarBomba
02-19-2007, 06:27 PM
LMAO!!!Morph stronge painkiller known to mankind!?!?! yeeeeeah, ok dude. :p not nowadays!
and heroin is NOT as good a painkiller as fentanyl, and it beats the shit outta morph. Good/purish heroin does NOT have as good of analgesic effects as Fentnayl, or even Hydromorphone does, but Fentanyl or hydromorph will never eveeeeer touch the euphoria or recreational effects heroin gives. Heroin is the hands down best most euphoric high out of all opiate/oids!
Fentanyl IS stronger the morphine dummie, haha.. It's only what, 40x stronger? It's stronger than heroin man! It's analgesic effects make it the strongest painkiller you're gonna get scripted(there are stronger fentanyl analogs but i dont think they're for home use). The euphoria of fent is way better than morph, like 10x man! You just said it yourself that you've never tried fentanyl..
and smoked fentanyl is comparable to IV morphine, sure is, but better! I've talked to too many users of both and from my exp to be convinced otherwise, cause well, first hand exp is much more accurate than what you find on the web man!
and being synthetic opioids or natural opiates means jack fucking shit! Fentanyl fully an OPIOID if you wanna say it that way. Meaning it's not a natural narcotic from the poppy plant basically. You obviously have a lil love for morph and just want everyone else too, but guess huh, NOT HAPPENIN! Not in this word or on fentanyl's watch:cool:
Now if you sue fentnayl transdermaly or oraly yes it DOES suck, it's more so sedating than euphoric, I bearly call it recreational cause I personally don't like the noddy sleepy effects but the euphoric uppy blissfulness. Now smoked or IV fent is the ONLY way to use it!!! and then the euphoria and analgesic effects are better than IV morph, street heroin, and anyhting else of this sorts. It doesn't come near the recreational effects/euphoria of PURISH or kill smack/diamorphine tho!!! Nothing does! but in anagesic effets fentanyl is like 3-6x stronger than heroin and like 40+x stronger than morphine. IT'S A SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN FACT! DO A 5MIN GOOGLE SEARCH! Jeez man, lol.
Wait till this kid tries fentanyl :rolleyes: 'nuff said end of it!
Buddy...you're talking out of your rear end. Scientifically proven?
I just SHOWED A SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PAPER proving morphine provided superior pain relief compared to fentanyl. do you know how to read?
Just read the "Morphine vs Fentanyl" thread.
Fentanyl is more POTENT than morphine, meaning it takes less of it to get the same amount of pain relief. It does not mean it is stronger in effect, as proven by countless research papers.
Nothing compares to IV morphine, heroin, hydromorphone or oxymorphone. End of story.
BTW...I said i have tried fent and it wasn't as good as heroin, morphine or dilaudid. And according to the poll here, most ppl agree because Fent is getting it's butt kicked by both morph and dillie
And no...fentanyl is not made from the poppy. It is a synthetic and not a true opioid. It mimics morphine and the real opiates. that's all it does. The real opioid narcotics are codeine, morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, heroin, and hydromorphone and any other semi-synthetics derived from any of those.
LMAO!!!Morph stronge painkiller known to mankind!?!?! yeeeeeah, ok dude. :p not nowadays!
and heroin is NOT as good a painkiller as fentanyl, and it beats the shit outta morph. Good/purish heroin does NOT have as good of analgesic effects as Fentnayl, or even Hydromorphone does, but Fentanyl or hydromorph will never eveeeeer touch the euphoria or recreational effects heroin gives. Heroin is the hands down best most euphoric high out of all opiate/oids!
Fentanyl IS stronger the morphine dummie, haha.. It's only what, 40x stronger? It's stronger than heroin man! It's analgesic effects make it the strongest painkiller you're gonna get scripted(there are stronger fentanyl analogs but i dont think they're for home use). The euphoria of fent is way better than morph, like 10x man! You just said it yourself that you've never tried fentanyl..
and smoked fentanyl is comparable to IV morphine, sure is, but better! I've talked to too many users of both and from my exp to be convinced otherwise, cause well, first hand exp is much more accurate than what you find on the web man!
and being synthetic opioids or natural opiates means jack fucking shit! Fentanyl fully an OPIOID if you wanna say it that way. Meaning it's not a natural narcotic from the poppy plant basically. You obviously have a lil love for morph and just want everyone else too, but guess huh, NOT HAPPENIN! Not in this word or on fentanyl's watch:cool:
Now if you sue fentnayl transdermaly or oraly yes it DOES suck, it's more so sedating than euphoric, I bearly call it recreational cause I personally don't like the noddy sleepy effects but the euphoric uppy blissfulness. Now smoked or IV fent is the ONLY way to use it!!! and then the euphoria and analgesic effects are better than IV morph, street heroin, and anyhting else of this sorts. It doesn't come near the recreational effects/euphoria of PURISH or kill smack/diamorphine tho!!! Nothing does! but in anagesic effets fentanyl is like 3-6x stronger than heroin and like 40+x stronger than morphine. IT'S A SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN FACT! DO A 5MIN GOOGLE SEARCH! Jeez man, lol.
Wait till this kid tries fentanyl :rolleyes: 'nuff said end of it!
i didnt say its the strongest, but the chemical structure how it works, is the basis of dia morphine ect,
Papa Verine
03-13-2007, 09:48 AM
I picked Fentanyl. I love chewing the plastic patches.
Thanks for the lesson kids! I thought Fentanyl came straight from the poppy plant!
That's sarcasm... we're not a bunch of novice teenagers here guys, we don't need explanations on the difference between "opiate" and "opioid".
Overdoze
03-13-2007, 11:31 AM
OXY higher dose past the speedy effects...
mmmmmm
cjd83us
03-13-2007, 11:35 AM
I always loved hydrocodone cause it is so sedating but it takes so much to get to that feeling now it just isnt worth the money. I love the speediness of oxycodone, but recently I have fallin in love with oxymorphone.
Woowoo
03-13-2007, 03:03 PM
I cannot believe that Morphine is higher than Hydromorphone on the poll. To me that's utterly insane. I mean, we're supposed to be experts in this field, are we not? Is this truly the group opinion?
I offer two possible explanations of this anomaly:
#1 total inexperience with hydromorphone
or
#2 so many people who answered the poll have ridiculously high tolerances from their junk habits, and can't feel hydromorph any more.
Or maybe a little of each.
CMonk
03-14-2007, 07:44 PM
I cannot believe that Morphine is higher than Hydromorphone on the poll. To me that's utterly insane. I mean, we're supposed to be experts in this field, are we not? Is this truly the group opinion?
I offer two possible explanations of this anomaly:
#1 total inexperience with hydromorphone
or
#2 so many people who answered the poll have ridiculously high tolerances from their junk habits, and can't feel hydromorph any more.
Or maybe a little of each.
I think you are on the right track with #1. Morphine is way more common then D around here.
However, I've shot both (hospital IV fluid) and actually would generally rather have M. D has a better rush, but it's too short lived. I'm all about the extended buzz, not just the rush. Then again, the most D I've shot was about 2mg, maybe that just wasn't enough.
HeidiW
03-14-2007, 08:27 PM
Hydromorphone is THE CADILLAC of opiates, hands down. I think those of y'all that have had it would agree.:D
Overdoze
03-15-2007, 12:04 AM
Hydromorphone is THE CADILLAC of opiates, hands down. I think those of y'all that have had it would agree.:D
Do you like it better than dope?
halfalien_s4
03-16-2007, 05:20 PM
What do you guys prefer for your fav RX Opioids!?!? Be it damn Hydros or Fentanyl, what it is!?!?
well, mine first is fent all the way...then a tie between dilaudid and oxy, then H
Also, do you use opioid for pain? fun? im scripted thenm for pain....ive been in 4 accidents - the first when i was 17 (head on), and left me with permanent whiplash and back injury. ive also had 2 open head injuries and 2 closed one. atleast 2 concussions. i have myofacial pain disorder, ive had meningitis twice so now ive had 3 siezures where i got one of my concussions, and ive had west nile. u put on a show at doc visit? i dress nice, joke around with him (and he jokes back) he also relly appreciates my job so al in all i would say if im in enough pain i think i do when its real bad but other times i dont have too cuz hes really cool.
Are you scripted them? yes i am
halfalien_s4
03-16-2007, 05:21 PM
altho i might add that every once in a while i like to snort H...done it twice so far....
PantyShot9
03-20-2007, 04:48 AM
I may have already commented but of the above mentioned my favs are a tie between Dilaudid and Methadone with Fentanyl coming in after those.
JahRed24
03-28-2007, 11:11 PM
OC is the best by far... Gives u a good energetic high first... then u become calm, relaxed, cool, social lubrication and ect... then it lets u down with a nice "NOD" and then to sleep..then u wake up feeling great! well thats just at first then if u abuse it addiction will set in and you'll start waking up every morning feeling like shit unless u got a 40mg line sitting there for ya!:cool:
Be easy ya'll!
peace and irie
Jah Bless!
Rhonda
04-16-2007, 09:12 PM
OK so this is gonna sound kind of dumb but here goes anyways. I like Oxy, it's really nice and it makes me feel nice too. The dumb part is I like to take them whole. Sometimes.
They do more if chewed, but sometimes I like the high feeling to go fo a long time so I swallow a few 10's. With the time relaese the high can go for hours and hours, one time it was a good high for 6 hours. That's not a superstrong high like with chewing, but 6 hours of mellow is pretty good too.
If I chew them Id get high from 30mg really high on 40. Thats how much I take most of the time. Maybe 60 tops if I was just swallowing w/o chewing
Somanax
05-05-2007, 09:19 AM
methadone ruined any joy obtainable from hydromorph the last shot I did was 7 k-4's and it did give me a rush however it was like banging coke I wanted to do more 10 minutes later I have been off of mmt for almost a year w/the all to available 'done occasionally overdoing it to the point of dependency so I definitely recommend that if you enjoy your DOC stay away from 'done. My one and only true love of all opiates
HEROIN is /was and alway's will be king IMHO. It's a damn shame I have no veins left to abuse :(
youwonhundred
05-10-2007, 12:27 PM
^^^ The question was about pharms, not dope.
tasteuvheaven
05-10-2007, 12:56 PM
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
I have tried just about all of the above..i am prescribed 100 mcg fent patches and i chew em up not smoke em. it's all about opinion, and with everything on the list u get a different kind of buzz so its all in what kind of feeling u like better. To me nothing beats the feeling of a perc...it seems with everything else it kind of makes me mellow and calm and lazy, now percs make me have energy and zoom around the house which is wonderful because i have a 1 1/2 yr old and a 2 1/2 yr old and we zip around and do all kinds of things when i get my percs. I like the way fent makes me feel, but i try to only do it at night because it seems to make me sleepi just like hydrocodone and morphine. And i have chronic back pain so i get prescribed pain meds and our of the list i think fent works best for pain, not when i chew it but when i put it on my skin. im pretty young as well, got lucky with a new doc as far as the patches because he seems to think the patches are less addictive then pills...but i would much rather have my percs back then these patches.
Somanax
05-19-2007, 02:20 PM
^^^ The question was about pharms, not dope.
Sorry it was my most humble (if i was,humble) opinion
got me I was mistaken:o still not wrong???
rex24u
05-22-2007, 11:50 AM
Personally if I am booting it I'd rather have oxycodone over morphine any day. I've had bottles of liquid morphine and I'd still rather have the OC. I like the initial rush more plus morphine makes me feel like I am on fire and my veins are on fire.
I 've done dilaudid/hydromorphone but they were not strong plus OC's were just more prevalent than dilaudids.
I've never smoked fent. To tell you the truth, I'm kind of scared to. I know what i am like when I enjoy something and I hear those are worse than crack. So I know how I would get. But if someone ever offered.... well we all know how that goes.
Methadone has always been like a last resort kind of thing for me. Like when I couldn't get any meth or raw I would eventually opt out for some hard. Thats how dones are to me. Kinda like if I cant get nothing else.
BigPoppy
05-27-2007, 04:55 PM
I thoroughly enjoy oxycodone, But the tolerance thing goes up way to fast. I wish there was a wa to combat it
Narkotikon
05-27-2007, 05:40 PM
Pretty sure I already did this back in the fall, but here goes:
In a perfect world where I could get what I wanted...
Hydromorphone
Morphine
Fent
Oxycodone
Methadone
Right now...
Morphine
Oxycodone
Methadone
Hydromorphone
Fent
Narkotikon
05-27-2007, 05:43 PM
I 've done dilaudid/hydromorphone but they were not strong plus OC's were just more prevalent than dilaudids.
Huh?!?!?!?! Hydromorphone is much much stronger than oxy. How are you ingesting it? Oral, sniffing, IV?
Personally I love the rush of morphine, especially IV. The initial glow and warmth and feelings of extreme contentness, then the dreamy sedation that follows. Oxy is good too, don't get me wrong, but I find it a bit more energetic. Now, with pod tea, I find that form of morphine energetic too, but that's because of the thebaine and other alkaloids in there with it.
DarthPerineum
06-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Oxy all the way.
Woowoo
06-13-2007, 04:07 PM
Hydromorphone is THE CADILLAC of opiates, hands down.
As luck would have it, I fell ass backwards in some hydromorphone a few days ago. Those triangular 8mg pills, very nice. I immediately started binging. I loved it. After about 36 hours I caught some sleep. When I woke up, I immediately started banging them again.
I've discovered that I can shoot obscene amounts of them, too. 16mg is where the fun starts (anything less is a waste) and it gets a lot bigger than that. Four of these triangular 8mg pills is my limit so far, that's 32mg. God damn!!
Holy shit!! I just can't put the rig down!!
Some people might read this and say "Seek professional help." Maybe that's a smart idea, but instead of that, I am seeking more hydromorph!! I got hungry veins and they must be fed!! Fuck everything, just gimme more hydromorph!!!
Zoops
06-13-2007, 04:10 PM
By Allah if these type threads don't always seem to turn into a pissing contest about: a. people arguing about how fucked up it is that so-and-so's favorite is _____, or b. "I know more drug/pharmaceutical related trivia than you."
Granted I only read the first two and last two pages of this (long as fuck) thread, but damn. Some folks need ta cheel. Know meen?
I must say, my vote is for fentanyl, number one because I think it's fuckin great and number two because, how I assume the question is supposed to be asking is "if you could get X amount of whichever of these pharmaceutical dopes, which one would you want?" Like if they were gonna give you a certain number of mg's or g's of the pure drug substance, say they were gonna give you 1 gram, then I pick fent because 1 gram of fent would last quite a fuckin while at 0.1-0.2mg per dose. Five hits in ONE milligram! It never ceases to amaze me when I think about it.
I've been blessed by the God of my understanding (or cursed by "the Enemy?" - hmmm.) to have the opportunity to take fentanyl a few times, and several times been blessed to have taken its cousin, SUfentanyl (yum) several times (sufentanyl is MUCH better, btw, and twice as potent, 'bout). I definitely like it.
THAT BEING SAID, I would definitely NOT turn down any of the drugs on the list if someone was offering any appreciable amount of it to me. On the other hand, if someone (we're just speaking hypothetically, right?) was offering me only 0.2mg (or even a whole 1mg for that matter) of morphine, hydromorphone or hydrocodone or oxycodone, I'd say go blow yourself to 'em. That amount of fentanyl dissolved in a nice little 1ml glass ampule can get you nice and loaded, dough.
'nuf sed?
Best deal would be a big-ass "sample pak" of all of the chemicals listed, enough for about 10 big dope-fiend size doses of each!
Zoops
06-13-2007, 04:28 PM
Hey WooWoo, what's up. I had some hydromorphone many seasons ago. It was a whole bunch (a bunch, mind you) of those teeny tiny 2mg orange "K-2's." (baby dillies)
People always talk about hydromorph like it's some kind of Nirvana plane of existence that all junkies wish they acheive (maybe not quite that grandiose) and the books say it's like five times stronger than morphine (what was said earlier on this thread is definintely true, they always express relative analgesic potencies of narcotics in terms of how much in mg's = usually 10mg of morphine (I've seen it in terms of how much = 1mg of morphine too, but same diff.)
So when I had those 2mg dillies I was thinking that 8mg would be a big-ass hit. I was NOT impressed. Nothing was going on really, like you said WooWoo until 14 or 16mg. And when you're cookin up those 2mg tablets you got a lot of crushed up pills to deal with for that size dose. Gotta use the 3ml sized rigs, which are usually what I use anyways b/c they're perfect for breaking down most kinds of pills + capsules.
Yeah, it's nice, I mean hydromorphone will put you back, but the only times I truly had a "OH my GOD that IS FUCKING AWESOME" intravenous dope experiences were with my first hit of smack and with fentanyl and sufentanyl, in a bathroom in the pharmacy department of a hospital around here in the Northern part of my home state. Try to hide that smile from your co-workers after a "pee" break.
That was back when it only took me about ten seconds to find a vein and slam it. They're all gone, 'cept for some big fat ones on the bottom part of my forearms, which require someone else to hit. boo fuckin hoo
Zoops
06-13-2007, 04:33 PM
TRIPLE - POST!! WOO WOO WOO WOO SOUND THE ALARM! BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA (that's the multi-post too many comments alarm).
I was gonna say, looks like oxycodone wins. I like democracy. I can live with oxycodone. Nothing especially wrong with it.
TRIPLE - POST!! WOO WOO WOO WOO SOUND THE ALARM! BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA BAA (that's the multi-post too many comments alarm).
I was gonna say, looks like oxycodone wins. I like democracy. I can live with oxycodone. Nothing especially wrong with it.
Hehe, nothing especially wrong with oxycodone at all :P Cheerz!
sidman
06-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Well what the Hell??
I can only pick ONE??
I love All of them!!
Period!!
$LOADIE*JONES'IN$
07-18-2007, 12:24 AM
IM oxy all the way for my doc but i have my club card so i have to have my dank too.lol:hangloose
Nostromos
07-20-2007, 12:45 AM
morphine my love. oh the pleasures you've shown me, a light in the darkness. a breath of fresh air from between the cheeks of fate.
pharmboy
07-20-2007, 02:09 AM
I would choose Oxymorphone Hcl. ( Opana )
But I can't afford it. So I guess it's plain old
Oxycodone for me.:cool:
GoddessofRATs
09-30-2007, 12:22 PM
Geez, i never voted in this one. Well, i have now LOL.
My DOC used to be Tramadol but now it's Oxycodone. I get my refill in 10 days whoo hoo. The countdown begins.
I liked Morphine for a while but it mostly makes me sleepy.
GOR
Duckfeet
09-30-2007, 02:54 PM
My DOC now is Sodium Phosphates Rectal Solution Enemas, and Docusate Suppositories, "For relief of occasional constipation"...thanks a lot, methadone :-(
GoddessofRATs
09-30-2007, 03:08 PM
LOL Duckie, you silly head! HUGS
GOR
HMMM...
10-01-2007, 10:53 PM
o man...i just love oxycodone...cant get enough of it...no seriously... can never get enough =p i love the way the name brands and the blue roxys taste. havent had a name brand in a while and im itchin for that taste. oh well cant complain...just put 60 mil of roxy up my nose and it feels so good =) $30 bucks well spent....i guess;)
pharmboy
10-02-2007, 04:03 AM
For the FEEL of the buzz or nod I would say Demerol or Hydro.
But neither one of those are strong enough anymore so I am
stuck with Oxy and Levo-Dromoran. The Levo isn't to bad
Im thinking about other routes of administration.
I'll get back to ya on that.:jumping-s
Slippin|Fallen
10-28-2007, 08:55 PM
Oxycodone (Oxycontin) is my main choice. I love liquid perc though (or whatever liquid pain killer).
I used to love perc 10's back in the day, they were my first painkiller I was really into, besides whatever else I could get my hands on. (I cant even remember, been to long)
I have never had the opportunity to try Fent though. I would probley love that if I could get my hands on it.
I also dont think I ever had the chance to try hydromorph either, unless I was in the hospital but obviously that doesnt count. I have done morphine wasnt to keen on it. Rambling... sorry
CHEERS!
LorTabitha
10-31-2007, 01:41 PM
Okay, possibly stupid question coming up. (Warning! Alert! Alert!) This post shows up every day in my "new posts" search, and yet there have been no new posts. (As have a few others) Is that because someone has taken part in the poll?
OpiatedSoul
11-05-2007, 10:27 PM
I have been on all of it, except for dillies. I wanna try that so bad! Oh yeah and I'm a virgin to H as well. But anyway, my DOC is Roxi's all day long. Right now I'm on 15mg of Roxi's. I just moved up to that from Percocet 10's. I just think it's a better high, it hits you fast, and it feels damn good.
When I was on Fent, I never smoked it or anything like that. I took it as prescribed and it did help with my pain, but didn't give me any kind of a high.
I'm RX'd my meds btw and suffer from Fibromyagia and migraines (strange white matter in my brain is the supposed cause) so I get the meds scripted, however my PM doc is really into using supplements to help pain, and while I'm all for that 110%, I do like to get high too. So I am not opposed to using both the Opiates and the supplements.
But yeah my DOC is Oxycodone. I've been on Fent 100mcg, and I've been on Lortab, Percocet, Methadone, Demoral, Darvon, Morephine the whole nine, except for Dillies. Damn I wanna try them so bad, but I just can't seem to get my hands on any. :(
Wow, you guys actualy like oxy or morphine over Fentanyl, and even Hydromorphone!?!? wow... all i can think of.. wow...! lol.
Though, it'd be pretty neat to know if you guys have actualy TRIED the other stronger opioids...? Cause there is no way you would prefer oxy over hydromorph or fent unless the fent was too strong or you've yet to actualy try it...
and I also get those blue Roxi 30s... I purchase 60 a month, 2 a day. They are GREAT. I mean, as far as 'fun' goes they're OK but you're not gonna rush off them... they're not too great for pain like ppl claim either... Now if you have a lowish toler or a low intensity of pain I'd say they are great shitm, but ocne you try the other stuff(fent, hydromorph, smack) oxy is kind of worthless. I've never mainlined shit outside my docs care either folks. So I dunno about IV oxy.
and ppl prefering morphine over fent too!?!? Wow... you guys have obviously never smoked Fent, maybe ever tried fent? Cause SMOKED fent is some better than IV morphine... Now I've only ahd the morphine shots they give me at doc visits and at the ER and smoked fent is some better! like i already said lol./
I'm just wanting/trying to clear up as to wtf you guys are on to prefer morph or oxy over fent or hydromorph! If you choose one the weaker opis like oxy or morph plz state if you've tried the others and HOW u tried them...
to me, Fentanyl is truly a godsend for chronic pain, it truly is... it's some better than smack even for pain(bnut not in euphoria, well its better than avg street gear in euphoria :p). Keep in mind, SMOKED fent!
later
ryan5892
11-12-2007, 12:32 PM
i love my dillies
fentanyl patches come in a close second though
TokinDerrick
11-16-2007, 12:23 PM
well, I love heroin. but this is a PHARM list so I'm gonna have to go with oxy on the way they make me feel, but morphine for the price.
Papa Verine
11-16-2007, 01:05 PM
If I can't have any heroin, I want some Fentanyl. I like the way it feels, the high, the potency. I just love the idea of having a drug I have to measure in micrograms. Alfentanil and sufentanil would be even better. This is the reason for my avatar. I really fuckin wish I had a dart full of big game animal tranquilizer, some Fentanyl analog. I'd use that thing to stay high for days. I can do eigth grade math and figure out my dose and I'm sure I'd have plenty of doses and plenty of good times.
CIIORNOTHING
11-16-2007, 01:49 PM
I've had just about all opioids out there except Fentanyl and Hydromorphone, and I must say emphatically that I prefer Morphine to everything I've had so far. Morphine seems to be the most euphoric and it's much longer lasting than most of the others (except Methadone).
I've always heard that, while Fentanyl is really strong, it doesn't provide as much euphoria as some of the other opioids. Oxy is in no way better than Morphine, except maybe that it's not as sedating.
Ive recently had IV fentanyl, morphine and hydro, all within weeks of each other. I would throw it all away for hydromorph if I could. I do like the stingy feeling of MS, but that warm heavy feeling of dillie is so fucking good.....damn Im drooling. The fent did nothing for me. Its just too heavy, put me straight the fuck to sleep and made me nod. I dont care for that.
Jdizzle
11-16-2007, 02:03 PM
Ive had a lot of Iv experience, and i would definately say Morphine makes me feel the absolute best. There is no other iv iv done that gives me that fukkin rush of morphine. That warm, tingly rush. I can get me dose high enough on morphine to get the rush im looking for, but I do way more dilaudid at once than I think is healthy(not saying n e of it is) and i just cant seem to get my high on em.I just like smokin fentanyl, cuz im not really sure how to iv it, like what i have to do to it first
OxyContinuously
11-26-2007, 09:21 AM
Ive had a lot of Iv experience, and i would definately say Morphine makes me feel the absolute best. There is no other iv iv done that gives me that fukkin rush of morphine. That warm, tingly rush. I can get me dose high enough on morphine to get the rush im looking for, but I do way more dilaudid at once than I think is healthy(not saying n e of it is) and i just cant seem to get my high on em.I just like smokin fentanyl, cuz im not really sure how to iv it, like what i have to do to it first
ur the one that does the 2 gallon shots of dilaudid right? you know, "35 K4's" right?
well, I live on candy cane boulevard which is in the town of sugar and spice, and the county of Lollipop.
roxi*stardust
11-26-2007, 06:21 PM
ur the one that does the 2 gallon shots of dilaudid right? you know, "35 K4's" right?
well, I live on candy cane boulevard which is in the town of sugar and spice, and the county of Lollipop.
Lollipop County huh? Is there gum or tootsie rolls in the center?
OPticrazi
11-28-2007, 09:09 PM
I'm RX'ed Oxy 20's MS Contin IR 30"s I switch back and forth so my "T' stays low and 8MG Dillies every month, going on 3 years now. I personally get the best pain relief an IV rush from the Dills. Even after 3 years they are still effective, be it pleasure or pain......................I guess I'm pretty f@#Kin lucky, not having had to up the dose. The Rx's are 90 per on the Oxy and MS and 120 on the dillies, so I'm pretty hooked up!.............................OPti, Peace out
pizzaboy
11-29-2007, 12:27 PM
Is the thread officially open again?
I love my oxy 30's...120 per month, which I share with wife. I used to love the perc tens, but they don't cut it anymore...they are loaded with acetomiophine and the amount I have to take makes them not worth it. They'll still do in a pinch I guess.
Also oxycontin, any size, whenever I can get my hands on it without being raped or raked over the coals on price. Not an easy thing to do.
Nothing else really cuts it, at least so far. I'm always open to suggestions. I've tried dillies, they kept the heebie jeebies away for a bit but otherwise didn't prove useful. Methodone is effective if I use it properly too..I can get a full day's work in on just a few, and a decent night's sleep as well.
Nothing beats those little blue guys though...I dream of them at night....and there is no sound on earth sweeter than the first early morning pill bottle rattle.;)
Yeah, I know I'm fucked up.
P
Frank Zito
11-29-2007, 12:53 PM
Fent is SSSOOOOOO fucking over rated. SHORT fucking high, not that swell of a rush, too much work, at least IMO. To each their own, YA KNOW. I just been up to my knees in that shit lately through a lil' bit of luck. There's more there and I'm actually leaving that shit alone.
The OX don't cut it and hasn't for a while even though I DO LOVE THE SHIT.
I started out on the DIESEL so although pharms are cool and I don't pass shit up I REALLY don't think that they are that special. DILLIES are tight cause o' the rush factor, but, again, the high is SHORT lived and the PIGGYBACK factor sucks.
OxyMorphone seems up my alley but I ain't never seen it.
I might eat a handful of NORCO or something to see what happens since I haven't EATEN anything in ages except DONE. Used to BE FUCKING stupid and would FIRE the DONE, but I'm all grown now so I quit that shit.
The most USEFUL tho IMO, which isn't even listed, is BUPE cause it usually SAVES THE DAY.
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