MDAI

[jimmyfingers]

Has anyone on this board tried this? It seems like a chem that would get a lot of press on the forums due to name association with MDA or MDMA, but I never hear anyone talking about it.

[danny]

i know on other forums like bluelight theyre on about it all the bloody time...im sure this is the one where they say take it with something else that gets you up and going and it feels like e's...dont take what im saying as gospel though, this is just half remembered crap from bluelight or somewhere, ive never tried any rc's and cant say i feel like im missing out...
i bet underrides had some, ask him, cause im sure this is something that came under the 'bath salts' craze...

[underide]

i bet underrides had some, ask him, cause im sure this is something that came under the 'bath salts' craze...

It's 'underide', Danny
One 'r' was no accident there ;-)

And no, i can't say i've had any MDAI, but i have heard some good things about it

I seem to get this air of certain snobbishness or some sort of 'chemical-superiority' from certain members when they mention ANY RC chemicals
As in "Oh it's RC? Well then it must be shite, fake, whatever..."
Which is rather shallow and narrow-minded, i think
Truth is - there are literally thousands of unscheduled chemicals or RC's out there and some of them are damn good, potent and rather intriguing in their own right and can even rival those that some claim to be as our 'golden-standard' scheduled chems
Just because a substance is still legal or unscheduled does not make it shite..
I do get the point when someone says something like - "yeah well, none of it can really compare to REAL MDMA.."
Which is true, but it ain't the fucking point - It wasn't meant to be "JUST LIKE" whatever...
They are different chemicals so they are meant to be and feel different
But that's only a plus - more diversity
And i still love to experiment...

There really is a lot of different stuff out there to be tried, but ofcourse - do so with common sense and a bit of caution, which i think is to be implied...

[TheTalkingAsshole]

ive not tried it but would be very interested if the opportunity arose,
namely because it is one of the specifically listed chemicals on the next round of drugs to be made illegal
methylone, mephedrone and mdpv were all emergency scheduled C1 late last year
fortunately rand paul(son of reptilian ron paul) somehow got the vote pushed waay back
under the grounds that it was unconstitutional, or some libertarian shit like that

but i digress
it was developed by david nichols in the 90s specifically as a non-neurotoxic analog of MDA
there are actually a bunch of other drugs like it, some in pihkal, other nichols developed himself
unfortunately most RC sites that sell it are selling something else as it
namely because it is far less potent than MDMA, meaning higher doses, meaning larger amounts of powder
which lends itself very nicely to a number of other MDMA analogs

the reason its not neurotoxic is because it has practically no affinity for dopamine, with regard to serotonin
trip reports are not really reliable, but based on the scientific literature for it, of which there is a considerable amount,
definitely a worthwhile substance

[6-MAM]

Isn't the emergency DEA shedule expired? It was filed in march or may of last year... I can't find any info on it. So isn't mephedrone and the likes technically legal again?

[TheTalkingAsshole]

Isn't the emergency DEA shedule expired? It was filed in march or may of last year... I can't find any info on it. So isn't mephedrone and the likes technically legal again?

september of 2011: http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr090711.html

and they didnt officially "emergency schedule" until mid october, so there is at least another few months before they are quasi-legal again
right now there is a "hold" on the vote, meaning its going to take 60 votes to uplift the hold
and then of course it has to go to the floor, which means this could be quite a while until it gets acted on

[danny]

It's 'underide', Danny
One 'r' was no accident there ;-)

And no, i can't say i've had any MDAI, but i have heard some good things about it

I seem to get this air of certain snobbishness or some sort of 'chemical-superiority' from certain members when they mention ANY RC chemicals
As in "Oh it's RC? Well then it must be shite, fake, whatever..."
Which is rather shallow and narrow-minded, i think
Truth is - there are literally thousands of unscheduled chemicals or RC's out there and some of them are damn good, potent and rather intriguing in their own right and can even rival those that some claim to be as our 'golden-standard' scheduled chems
Just because a substance is still legal or unscheduled does not make it shite..
I do get the point when someone says something like - "yeah well, none of it can really compare to REAL MDMA.."
Which is true, but it ain't the fucking point - It wasn't meant to be "JUST LIKE" whatever...
They are different chemicals so they are meant to be and feel different
But that's only a plus - more diversity
And i still love to experiment...

There really is a lot of different stuff out there to be tried, but ofcourse - do so with common sense and a bit of caution, which i think is to be implied...

i get the feeling youre coming at me sideways here...

[Seedy]

^^ he's got a point though danny. don't dismiss all of these rc's, some of them are damn good, and most likely if some of them (haven't tried mdai, but definitely in the case of mephedrone) had had as much time in circulation as illicit street drugs they'd be just as popular as all the usual favorites today.

[TheTalkingAsshole]

i get the feeling youre coming at me sideways here...


its all good

everyone knows the DEA/DOJ are the ones controlling the RC market
using sites like erowid/pill reports/bluelight to get anecdotal evidence as to what chemicals can be used for mind control
ultimately to further the zionist reptilian agenda set forth in The Fountainhead

amirite?

[dankoni]

its all good

everyone knows the DEA/DOJ are the ones controlling the RC market
using sites like erowid/pill reports/bluelight to get anecdotal evidence as to what chemicals can be used for mind control
ultimately to further the zionist reptilian agenda set forth in The Fountainhead

amirite?

Preach on, Brother!

[danny]

^^ he's got a point though danny. don't dismiss all of these rc's, some of them are damn good, and most likely if some of them (haven't tried mdai, but definitely in the case of mephedrone) had had as much time in circulation as illicit street drugs they'd be just as popular as all the usual favorites today.

i dont dismiss them all, i couldnt care less...it interested us for 5 minutes a year ago when i heard that methylone was a reasonable substitute for ecstasy, the more i read and heard the more i read and heard that the majority of these things were either unpleasant or toxic or both, the ones that werent 99% were inferior to es/acid/speed/coke...i cant help thinking if there hadnt been the media panic about mdma then these things would have either have been unheard of or very very rare...ill take notice when they start making a cheap legal smokable non toxic opioid rc...

[underide]

i dont dismiss them all, i couldnt care less...it interested us for 5 minutes a year ago when i heard that methylone was a reasonable substitute for ecstasy, the more i read and heard the more i read and heard that the majority of these things were either unpleasant or toxic or both, the ones that werent 99% were inferior to es/acid/speed/coke...i cant help thinking if there hadnt been the media panic about mdma then these things would have either have been unheard of or very very rare...ill take notice when they start making a cheap legal smokable non toxic opioid rc...

^^This kinda does sound like you are dismissing them, Danny
Which in turn, i guess shouldn't worry me either, so i do apologize here..

But give a little credence to the fact that none of these chems were intended to be a *substitute* for any of the stims you listed in the first place
It just so happened that some interpreneuring, money-hungry vendors have claimed certain chems as a substitute for E and so forth, but you're not looking at the bigger picture here..
In terms of toxicity it's all in the HOW and how much you use, but that could be true for ANY chemical out there, whether new or long abused, wouldn't you agree?
So a little research goes a long way
I am repeating myself - but all those chemicals are different, so there's bound to be noticeable differences in effects, strength, toxicity and so forth
And still, i give two thumbs up simply for the availability and for the VARIETY out there..

[PoppyLlama]

I bought a gram of it a while back, and I really didn't think it was that good, it fucks your nose up, and it just really didn't make me feel all that different from baseline, a little tired, the first time i did it i took a nap. but even while staying awake, it really just wasn't that awesome, I really just kind felt...blah. DEFINITELY would not buy again.

[Seedy]

^^ just cos it's a powder and comes in a bag doesn't mean you're supposed to snort it! mdma is way better eaten and from what i recall, so is mdai. not that i've tried the stuff, just saying.

and danny, methylone is fucking horrible. mephedrone, on the other hand, despite sounding similar, is pretty fucking awesome. i wager if you were to give it a chance you'd agree.

[underide]

and danny, methylone is fucking horrible. mephedrone, on the other hand, despite sounding similar, is pretty fucking awesome. i wager if you were to give it a chance you'd agree.

This is another point i didn't actually make -
The whole matter of personal choice and our chosen preferences
I actually quite enjoyed methylone and just wasn't all that impressed with mephedrone
This only goes to show you that we really are all over the shop here when it comes to what we like best and our own personal preferences
I think that goes for any substance as well as pattern of use and preferred ROA
So don't forget that too, danny

[Seedy]

^^ good point, i was thinking that after i made the post. plenty of people love methylone. personally i find the high ok but for me there's always an underlying paranoia that gets worse and worse as i come down, then i can't sleep and just feel like death for the next day or so. 'drone on the other hand amps me up as good as any speed with euphoria close to mdma but then i can sleep and feel fine the next day.

have you tried 6apb? it's pretty fucking awesome too, a more trippy and longer lasting mda like buzz. good stuff.

[Doublewire]

In terms of toxicity it's all in the HOW and how much you use, but that could be true for ANY chemical out there, whether new or long abused, wouldn't you agree?

Not exactly. The catch with RCs is that they have virtually no history of human use, so there's no way to be certain they aren't doing some kind of damage. A big part of my enjoyment of a drug is the certainty that I am not doing anything irreversible to myself. I can take psilocybin, DMT, and mescaline with absolutely zero qualms about that shit. Even MDMA has had mounds of research done on it; the risks are reasonably clear. With RCs they are not. That is why I am inclined to turn my nose up at them.

Of course, my curiosity has a way of getting the better of me. But I would be a fuck of a lot more reserved about recommending them to anyone.

[underide]

have you tried 6apb? it's pretty fucking awesome too, a more trippy and longer lasting mda like buzz. good stuff.

No, man, i haven't yet
I was actually quite recently going to opt for 5-APB (mostly due to my chosen ROA though) but still haven't got the chance to (credit issues :rolleyes:)
6-APB sounds pretty intriguing too though..

I have to say - i'm VERY eager to get my hands on some Ethylphenidate..
A very close relative to Methylphenidate and is basically just like the metabolite of combined Methylphenidate (Ritalin) and alcohol when metabolised together in vivo..
I've been told by a credible source that the rush from it is pretty fucking awesome, and would almost rival that of above average coke, with an added benefit of lasting much longer and not being as fiendish as coke on the re-up
Prices are pretty decent too
only thing going against it is that if you're into snorting - that shit will burn your nose off..
I'm told it's just about the most hurtful thing snorted
Still good for banging or eating though

OP - if you like a good coke/speed rush, i would investigate this further too..

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Not exactly. The catch with RCs is that they have virtually no history of human use, so there's no way to be certain they aren't doing some kind of damage. A big part of my enjoyment of a drug is the certainty that I am not doing anything irreversible to myself. I can take psilocybin, DMT, and mescaline with absolutely zero qualms about that shit. Even MDMA has had mounds of research done on it; the risks are reasonably clear. With RCs they are not.

That is a good point, but then with the illegal market you get into the area of quite a fair bit of unknowns too
You don't REALLY know what the fuck you are ingesting most of the time anyway, and there are adulterants in drugs found constantly which are rather harmful, WHEN or IF they are bothered to even be identified
At least with RC's - you know what you're going to get - PROVIDED, you get it from a trustworthy source and not somewhere dodgy

[underide]

Double post

[sawfan]

^^

have you tried 6apb? it's pretty fucking awesome too, a more trippy and longer lasting mda like buzz. good stuff.

yeah its one of the best mdxx research chems ive tried. left me absolutely floored& lasted a good 7hrs+. I've noticed the come-up is almost indistinguishable from MDA as well, at least in my exp.
might give some MBDB a go when that starts to come around as well

[PoppyLlama]

^^ just cos it's a powder and comes in a bag doesn't mean you're supposed to snort it! mdma is way better eaten and from what i recall, so is mdai. not that i've tried the stuff, just saying.





obviously. but it's not really a powder, it's more like a bunch of crystals in a bag. I snorted it a couple times, and I ate it a couple times, it tastes so fucking awful though. neither way gave me any good/fun/worthwhile effects.


also it really depends on how long you want your mdma to last, for a shorter duration and better rush obviously snort it. I usually eat like a quarter gram then snort an 8th of a gram or a point just to get the come up going

[Count Zero]

its all good

everyone knows the DEA/DOJ are the ones controlling the RC market
using sites like erowid/pill reports/bluelight to get anecdotal evidence as to what chemicals can be used for mind control
ultimately to further the zionist reptilian agenda set forth in The Fountainhead

amirite?

Absofuckinglutely, you are most correct sir! Obviously the liberitarian thing is just a cover for complete government control of our minds and every fiber of our beings. Damn those sneaky bastards.

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i dont dismiss them all, i couldnt care less...it interested us for 5 minutes a year ago when i heard that methylone was a reasonable substitute for ecstasy, the more i read and heard the more i read and heard that the majority of these things were either unpleasant or toxic or both, the ones that werent 99% were inferior to es/acid/speed/coke...i cant help thinking if there hadnt been the media panic about mdma then these things would have either have been unheard of or very very rare...ill take notice when they start making a cheap legal smokable non toxic opioid rc...

Amen.

[danny]

Amen.


watch out count, you 'drug snob'...

[Count Zero]

I wish I had some drugs to be snobbish about..

[underide]

'drug snob'..
No offence, but that really is how you come across
I realize though, it probably isn't entirely your fault
I may be wrong, but it seems you might be one of those 'older' people, who is entirely set in his bad old ways and won't budge an inch closer to seeing the other side of the stick

I remember reading and getting an impression of you of being brought up working-class so i somehow presume that you also rather dislike the real snobbishness of upper classes and how some of them mistreat, misjudge and deride without knowing what it really is all about

Well guess what man, there is a certain kinda parallel here
Only ofcourse on a much smaller scale and in a slightly different kinda way
But i hope you get what i'm saying

I'm really not trying to be a prick to you just for the shits n' giggles
I've always liked you, but it seems you always kinda had it in for me

I also didn't mean to turn this into something personal here, so my apologies, again..

[sigprn]

To answer your question. Yes i have seen it sold elsewhere . No i don't mess with rc's. I would say the rc crowd thinks its so so. I haven't seen it up in a while. I think they don't like it anymore.

[underide]

I think they don't like it anymore.
This is only a guess, but i think this might have something to do with it being scheduled or very soon to be scheduled in a number of different countries

[danny]

No offence, but that really is how you come across
I realize though, it probably isn't entirely your fault
I may be wrong, but it seems you might be one of those 'older' people, who is entirely set in his bad old ways and won't budge an inch closer to seeing the other side of the stick

I remember reading and getting an impression of you of being brought up working-class so i somehow presume that you also rather dislike the real snobbishness of upper classes and how some of them mistreat, misjudge and deride without knowing what it really is all about

Well guess what man, there is a certain kinda parallel here
Only ofcourse on a much smaller scale and in a slightly different kinda way
But i hope you get what i'm saying

I'm really not trying to be a prick to you just for the shits n' giggles
I've always liked you, but it seems you always kinda had it in for me

I also didn't mean to turn this into something personal here, so my apologies, again..

'ive always had it in for you'

passive aggressive much? you might be one of the reasons why i think shooting up them chinese bath salts is a bad idea, what with that shit with benz, and before that telling everyone i was someone who i aint, grab a hold of yourself and stop listening to them aliens/kgb agents broadcasting direct to your head...

[underide]

'ive always had it in for you'

passive aggressive much? you might be one of the reasons why i think shooting up them chinese bath salts is a bad idea, what with that shit with benz, and before that telling everyone i was someone who i aint,
grab a hold of yourself and stop listening to them aliens/kgb agents broadcasting direct to your head.


Passive aggressive?
Come on Danny, - you know i'm really not that bothered at all.
But in another way i kinda do, coz i truly considered you a stand-up guy..

And that "raz" this was just a harmless joke gone wrong, man
A lot of my jokes are in bad taste and have a tendency to fall flat, so i try my best to restrain myself, nowadays
But i sure as hell wasn't running my gob off to everyone who'd care to listen that 'danny' is 'raz' in disguise

Oh -and also - i DO still stand by EVERYTHING i wrote in that FF thread.
I Did mention from the very start that the amount of disbelief and denial was gonna be great
But again - it wasn't something just dreamt up or some paranoid thinking
It was also a lot more than just guess-work
And still no one gives a fuck...so what can you do

Also - i'm pretty sure that admins here with access to our personal logs on the site, would be able to identify the person i'm talking about it, But i also know that have a handful just with running this site smoothly, so i don't wanna come across saying "drop everything" and dig up the facts on that person because his did me VERY badly and wrong in real life
But if somehow it was possible for them to prove me wrong,
I'd even go as far as saying - i will forfeit my membership here, on the VERY odd chance that i am wrong
That is just how certain i am of what i'm talking about
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grab a hold of yourself and stop listening to them aliens/kgb agents broadcasting direct to your head...

^^ Another low blow there, danny
Which only further goes to prove my point -
You truly do despise me..for whatever reason

No biggie though, danny boy
I'm sure ill get over it somehow ;-)

[chemboy7]

Passive aggressive?
Come on Danny, - you know i'm really not that bothered at all.
But in another way i kinda do, coz i truly considered you a stand-up guy..

And that "raz" this was just a harmless joke gone wrong, man
A lot of my jokes are in bad taste and have a tendency to fall flat, so i try my best to restrain myself, nowadays
But i sure as hell wasn't running my gob off to everyone who'd care to listen that 'danny' is 'raz' in disguise

Oh -and also - i DO still stand by EVERYTHING i wrote in that FF thread.
I Did mention from the very start that the amount of disbelief and denial was gonna be great
But again - it wasn't something just dreamt up or some paranoid thinking
It was also a lot more than just guess-work
And still no one gives a fuck...so what can you do

Also - i'm pretty sure that admins here with access to our personal logs on the site, would be able to identify the person i'm talking about it, But i also know that have a handful just with running this site smoothly, so i don't wanna come across saying "drop everything" and dig up the facts on that person because his did me VERY badly and wrong in real life
But if somehow it was possible for them to prove me wrong,
I'd even go as far as saying - i will forfeit my membership here, on the VERY odd chance that i am wrong
That is just how certain i am of what i'm talking about
.

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^^ Another low blow there, danny
Which only further goes to prove my point -
You truly do despise me..for whatever reason

No biggie though, danny boy
I'm sure ill get over it somehow ;-)

Dude Underide... what's up lately man? First the crazy FF thread and now starting shit with Danny? Maybe simmer down a bit.

On the FF thread, the mods shouldn't have to waste their time looking at shit trying to figure out who you were talking about. Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just out the person if it means that much to you? I really don't have a problem with you but your posts of late stink of psychosis. Before you were attacking a (from my perspective) invisible member but now that Danny is the target it's just too much.

Sleep is your friend. Simmer down man.

[danny]

^^ Another low blow there, danny
Which only further goes to prove my point -
You truly do despise me..for whatever reason

No biggie though, danny boy
I'm sure ill get over it somehow ;-)

see this is one of the problems with depression/paranoia, i been as guilty of it as the next man...is complete self obsession, its almost like the flip side of being an egomaniac, but instead of 'oh look at me everyone loves me', its 'oh look at me everyone hates me', its the same driving emotional force only passed thru a different filter, its how depressives become as lacking in affect as sociopaths, nothing exists outside of me me me...

trust me, i dont despise you, until you had that mad thread a couple weeks back you aint even entered my mind, you got to do a whole lot more and worse than half dig me out on the internet, its not even like you were savage over the net...

before that there was a vague sense of concern that you were ragging the back out of these things cause youd come on here sketched out to fuck...ie *underide (one r) is a nice kid but hes fuckin himself up with them bath salts*, i get the feeling i werent alone in thinking that, limited obviously cause none of us can actually reach out and contact you face to face and tell you to hold it down, but there was definitely some concern going on here, im sure of it...

look after yourself and try not to spend so much time inside your own head, get out and engage with people, and if they dont engage back, their loss...

also, physician heal thyself...everything im telling you i need to tell myself...funny thing is though neither of us will end up listening...