Alcohol During WD

[Narkotikon]

What is everyone's opinion of drinking alcohol during withdrawal. I'm not necessarily talking about getting drunk, but just a few drinks to relax and be able to feel better. I'm thinking of getting some Maker's Mark. I've read that alcohol makes WD worse. Personally I hate alcohol, but I just can't stand sitting here anymore. My legs are jerking and I'm tapping my foot a mile a minute. Any suggestions?

[ZodiacKiller]

I've done it and it seemed to help. I actually went out on a cocktails n' cocaine thingy while WDing a few weeks ago and it was awesome. Although that was on the downside of the WD---the physical stuff was mostly over and it was just the pesky PAWS remaining. And then I relapsed the next weekend.:rolleyes:

This probably didn't help you one bit. Sorry.



ZK

[slugbone]

What is everyone's opinion of drinking alcohol during withdrawal. I'm not necessarily talking about getting drunk, but just a few drinks to relax and be able to feel better. I'm thinking of getting some Maker's Mark. I've read that alcohol makes WD worse. Personally I hate alcohol, but I just can't stand sitting here anymore. My legs are jerking and I'm tapping my foot a mile a minute. Any suggestions?

i would recommend a hard liquor drink, myself. i used to booze it up with the best of em. i have not felt shittier when drinking and not on opiates.

vodka and orange juice, the vitamic c cant hurt just make sure not to go overboard maby one shot and the oj in a glass and wait 1/2 hor 45 min and repeat until your legs calm down.

alcohol is a depressant so perhaps you can get a feeling not unlike a benzo. or try nyquil, that shit has alchohol in it and will probably help you sleep, when abolutely necessary in a couple of emergency situations i have drank the whole bottle of nyquil over an hour or so and been able to calm down enough to actually fall asleep

*edit* i was thinking about my response and should tell you that i was a daily drinker for about 10 years so i advice much caution if you do choose the nyqul option a whole bottle could really fuk you up so of course observe as much safe judgement as you are able ok lecture done

[trainwrecker]

Are you guys crazy? Alcohol is the WORST thing for withdrawl. All that sugar kicks up your metabolism.. fuck, it's horrible. Maybe a few days after the worst is over to help with the post acute shit, even then though I think it will make you feel shitty when the buzz wears off.

[SpecialGuy69]

I disagree- I believe the best way to do w/d's is with healthy living- lots of vitamins/minerals/water/excercise. Alcohol runs counter to this, and hasn't helped me a lot. If you can't run down some buprenorphine, try benzos (not w/alcohol), pot (if that's your thing), clonidine and ambien/lunesta.

Instead of buying alcohol at the grocery store, try: immodium, benadryl, or maybe even PST (ask goddessofrats- she swears it works- I've never tried it). There's lots of suppliments that are sold at most pharmacies that are supposed to help w/d's- check some of those threads.

If you are talking about one or two drinks just to take the edge off, sure. But I don't see getting drunk as a solution to opiate w/d's. Remember how bad a hangover feels? Imagine that during w/d's!!!

[nick]

Drink gives tempory relief,but like any other drug the come down is ugly particularly during wds.I used to drink vodka till I passed out when short of H.I got so used to the hangovers I could walk full speed and vomit and not get any on my shoes.Now that is class.

[Narkotikon]

Thanks for all of the advice. I'm not a really big drinker just because I can't stand the taste and smell of alcohol. It really pisses me off that it's America's drug of choice, at least legally.

I've done the poppy seed tea before, but my tolerance is too high to really make that effective.

I've thought about getting DXM, which I don't really like, but I've used it before in w/d.

As far as the clonidine, phenergan, benadryl, etc. I've got all of that and am taking it. It's not working.

I don't have an access for benzo's anymore, and when I tried to score some weed today it fell through.

Again, I'm not wanting to get drunk, just maybe two or three of those airplane size travel bottles of maker's mark. I don't think two drinks could hurt. I agree though, hangover's suck. I really can't stand them. But I don't think two drinks would give me a bad hangover.

Maybe I should just wait till tomorrow when my pods are coming in (hopefully).

[vaxn8]

Nark- this is a totally individual thing. Some people can do it and feel a little relief, others can't. I couldn't even try to get anything down until the 4th day, but that's just because i'd puke it right back up any earlier. In the past, I've stayed drunk 24/7 just to avoid the last couple days of w/drawal. It can worsten GI symptoms, but if you feel like you can keep a little in ya, it will relax you. I wouldn't go overboard though unless you either want to continue and stay drunk or pay the price tomorrow.

[slugbone]

Nark- this is a totally individual thing. Some people can do it and feel a little relief, others can't. I couldn't even try to get anything down until the 4th day, but that's just because i'd puke it right back up any earlier. In the past, I've stayed drunk 24/7 just to avoid the last couple days of w/drawal. It can worsten GI symptoms, but if you feel like you can keep a little in ya, it will relax you. I wouldn't go overboard though unless you either want to continue and stay drunk or pay the price tomorrow.

vaxn8, is the voice of reason. the middle way is usually the right course of action.

you could always eat a huge ass turkey dinner with some wine, tht would put you right out for a few hours at least.

you know vax, i have been reading and replying to your posts for like 4 months and i finally figured out what your id meant. vaccinate. christ i got to get off the drugs for a while.

[vaxn8]

That's pretty funny Slug but a lot of people miss it. Used to be my license plate when I made vaccines. I went through a phase where i had a different personalized plate every few months. Got expensive and pointless so I quit! Now I want to get one for the virus I work with, but can't think of a cool way to spell it, and then no one will even know what it means even if I do.

I also meant to say, careful with the Nyquil- if it's got antihistamines in there a giant dose will possibly make you more antsy, and I think there's tylenol in there as well. I'd go for straight alcohol if I wanted sleep and relaxation and didnt' have a benzo handy!

[madnesscult]

I've used small amounts of alcohol to relieve withdrawl symptoms before...one night I drove 2 hours to see a show, and after getting there realized that I had forgotten to bring my suboxone dose with me. After 2 beers, I felt pretty much fine (until they wore off), but then again, I was just in the very first stages of withdrawl (and bupe withdrawls are pretty mild and slow)...I also tried taking a few shots when I was trying to detox cold-turkey from heroin - all we had was kahlua, and after the 2nd shot, I was puking my guts out - all it did was make me feel worse. Like others have said, if you can keep it down, it'll probably help.

[kyuss]

Thanks for all of the advice. I'm not a really big drinker just because I can't stand the taste and smell of alcohol. It really pisses me off that it's America's drug of choice, at least legally.

I've done the poppy seed tea before, but my tolerance is too high to really make that effective.

I've thought about getting DXM, which I don't really like, but I've used it before in w/d.

As far as the clonidine, phenergan, benadryl, etc. I've got all of that and am taking it. It's not working.

I don't have an access for benzo's anymore, and when I tried to score some weed today it fell through.

Again, I'm not wanting to get drunk, just maybe two or three of those airplane size travel bottles of maker's mark. I don't think two drinks could hurt. I agree though, hangover's suck. I really can't stand them. But I don't think two drinks would give me a bad hangover.

Maybe I should just wait till tomorrow when my pods are coming in (hopefully).




I'm not touching
the sauce
all I need is a hangover
mixed in with these W/Ds
God I hope those pods come
in tomorrow
I took 5 benadryl,kratom,
and a little poppy seed tea
which made in a little better
and a little worse
My legs are aching
and my constipated bowels
are no longer constipated in the worst way

[suffocate]

Quite frankly, as a few others mentioned, I believe it really is a personal choice. Some people hate it, some love it. I personally drink on an almost daily basis, and find that when in wd's, alcohol (while not really making the symptoms any less intense) helps me relax and makes it easier for me to sleep. A few rounds of shots with a few doses of diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate seems to help me make it through the night after the first three or four days have passed. Fortunately, I live in Canada, and can buy Tylenol 1's OTC to help with the first few days (Acetaminophen 325mg; Caffeine 15mg; Codeine 8mg). You obviously need to do a CWE, but all in all I consider myself lucky for having an OTC solution to withdrawls. Alcohol isn't an excellent solution for most of us, but after you're through the worst of it, you may want to give it a try (remember to start slow) and see how your body reacts. You might just find that a drink or two is effective in taking the edge off.

regards,
suffocate

[vaxn8]

I'm not touching
the sauce
all I need is a hangover
mixed in with these W/Ds
God I hope those pods come
in tomorrow
I took 5 benadryl,kratom,
and a little poppy seed tea
which made in a little better
and a little worse
My legs are aching
and my constipated bowels
are no longer constipated in the worst way


K- were're they supposed to be there today? If you used who I think you did, he shipped a bunch of stuff Friday that was sat on by the shipper until Monday- I was supposed to have something today that won't be here until tomorrow.

I feel for both you and Nark- it's a horrible place to be and nothing's will make it better until the delivery gets there. It is the worst feeling I think in the entire world. K- doesn't sound like you're at the point where etoh would help you, I can't touch it when i'm where you are. I've tried and it just always made the puke burn more, yuck. Hope everyone is back in biz tomorrow!

[kyuss]

K- were're they supposed to be there today? If you used who I think you did, he shipped a bunch of stuff Friday that was sat on by the shipper until Monday- I was supposed to have something today that won't be here until tomorrow.

I feel for both you and Nark- it's a horrible place to be and nothing's will make it better until the delivery gets there. It is the worst feeling I think in the entire world. K- doesn't sound like you're at the point where etoh would help you, I can't touch it when i'm where you are. I've tried and it just always made the puke burn more, yuck. Hope everyone is back in biz tomorrow!


sounds promising Vax
I ordered thursday nite(late)
and he said 3-5 shipping days
so tomm. would be 5 days
CPP send it to me!

[slugbone]

sounds promising Vax
I ordered thursday nite(late)
and he said 3-5 shipping days
so tomm. would be 5 days
CPP send it to me!

i don't know what to say kyuss...tough situatin all around and i look forward to the post you make when your shit comes in.

i hate sometimes this opiworld of ours, it is like feast or famine either basking in the glow or pain upon pain.

[Seedy]

I disagree- I believe the best way to do w/d's is with healthy living- lots of vitamins/minerals/water/excercise. Alcohol runs counter to this, and hasn't helped me a lot. If you can't run down some buprenorphine, try benzos (not w/alcohol), pot (if that's your thing), clonidine and ambien/lunesta.

Instead of buying alcohol at the grocery store, try: immodium, benadryl, or maybe even PST (ask goddessofrats- she swears it works- I've never tried it). There's lots of suppliments that are sold at most pharmacies that are supposed to help w/d's- check some of those threads.

If you are talking about one or two drinks just to take the edge off, sure. But I don't see getting drunk as a solution to opiate w/d's. Remember how bad a hangover feels? Imagine that during w/d's!!!

I'd definately agree with the healthy route. Find a good multivitamin suppliment, preferably with added herbal ingredients (can you get Swisse Multivite there?). Also to chill out try kava, valerian, 5htp, passionflower, etc. Some OTC herbal sleep suppliments have all these ingreds and would be much better for u than alcohol, imo, which may knock you out sooner, but is actually pretty bad for sleep.

If you're kicking because you can't score (not by choice) PST will DEFINATELY help. Just make sure you get some good seeds (the nastier they taste, the more opiates are covering them). Smaller shops like health stores and Indian/Asian bulk food shops seem to source the best ones. Good luck!

[kyuss]

i don't know what to say kyuss...tough situatin all around and i look forward to the post you make when your shit comes in.

i hate sometimes this opiworld of ours, it is like feast or famine either basking in the glow or pain upon pain.

tell me about sluggy
I know it's the price
I have to pay
to feel like Jesus
on another day

[repeek]

I can't do the alcohol or antihistimines, they both make the W/D's worse for me, but I have a brother who uses Scotch and swears it helps.

I hope your pods get there soon.

[Narkotikon]

The seed tea works well for about two hours for me. I've gone to health food stores to get them, but theyalways look at me like I'm crazy for buying a shitload of poppy seed. I've also gone to the local Krogers and raided the spice aisle before, but that's expensive if you ask me. It's something like 3.50 for the generic brand, and that only gets you like 60 grams.

I just took more ibuprofen and clonidine, it helps a little but not much. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

I've actually taken valerian before, but it didn't really do anything for me. Plus, that stuff stinks to high heaven.

[SpecialGuy69]

The seed tea works well for about two hours for me. I've gone to health food stores to get them, but theyalways look at me like I'm crazy for buying a shitload of poppy seed. I've also gone to the local Krogers and raided the spice aisle before, but that's expensive if you ask me. It's something like 3.50 for the generic brand, and that only gets you like 60 grams.

When I'm in w/d's, having someone look at me funny or spending $6.00 is a small price to pay to feel better. I'd run into kroger's naked tossing $20 bills in the air to feel a little better when I'm w/d'ing!

[Narkotikon]

Very true. But I'd be financing this with my credit card, and I was trying to think economically. You're right though, I've raided the spice aisle several times.

[satori]

some health stores / holistic health stores have california poppy extract. Now this wont have morphine or codeine etc. but it deff. has helped me in the past. I used to drink this stuff right before bed. IT DEFF> DEFF> has an effect. Very mild euphoria and calms you down. You can find it on the net as well.

[southernbelle]

Drink gives tempory relief,but like any other drug the come down is ugly particularly during wds.I used to drink vodka till I passed out when short of H.I got so used to the hangovers I could walk full speed and vomit and not get any on my shoes.Now that is class.
What an accomplishment!! :p I'm so impressed with you Nick....any other classy tricks up your sleeve?

[Narkotikon]

I've litterally been up all night, actually been up since 6:00 AM yesterday morning. This just fucking sucks. If my pods don't come today, I'm just going back to the ER. I can't stand it anymore.

[devilsdrug]

a cupola shots hard booze on a regular basis does help relax when in wd

[Narkotikon]

Finally, pods came. Sweet relief. Listening to Garbage. I love Garbage.

I Would Die For You

Garbage


I would die for you.
I would die for you.
I've been dying just to feel you by my side--
to know that you're mine.

I will cry for you.
I will cry for you.
I will wash away your pain with all my tears--
and drown your fear.

I will pray for you.
I will pray for you.
I will sell my soul for something pure and true--
someone like you.

See your face every place that I walk in.
Hear your voice every time I'm talking.
You would believe in me--
and I will never be ignored.

I will burn for you,
Feel pain for you.
I will twist the knife and bleed my aching heart--
and tear it apart

I will lie for you,
beg and steal for you.
I will crawal on hands and knees until you see--
that you're just like me.

Violate all the love that I'm missing.
Throw away all the pain that I'm living.
You would believe in me--
and I could never be ignored.

I would die for you.
I would kill for you.
I would steal for you.
I'd do time for you.
I will wait for you.
I'd make room for you.
I'd sail ships for you
to be close to you,
to be part of you,
because I believe in you.
I believe in you.

I would die for you.

[slugbone]

another sucess story nark good shit hope you are feelin fine, i'll be drinking my grits N juice after work, it'll be my DD special, white GF, three tablespoons and a tagamet if necessary