My first time with So Cal Black Tar HELP!!!!!

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

Hello all after searching long and hard, being a florida native, southern california transplant.... i got a black tar connect. It was a dark black brown, pretty hard, sticky and had a vinegar smell. I got what looked like a gram for 30 bucks, i didnt have a scale but it looked like a gram coke rock ( i used to sell coke so i could eyeball a gram rock with the best of them) the only diffrence was it was black and harder and sticky, was that a good deal????. I didnt have any rigs to shoot it with, im gonna go to the needel exchange soon to get some. Now to get some rigs at the wilmington needle exchange do i have to bring old rigs or can i buy an initial bunch? So i ended up smoking most of it all last night and really didnt get that noticeably buzzed. When i woke up, i had a small chunk left and had a small needeless syringe lying around. so i heated up the chunk in a spoon, till it all desolved then i sucked it up in the syringe, got the old ky jelly lubed the syringe and and browned the brown liquid. I got a semi noticeable buzz, but not is much as i would like. Now would i have gotten higher if i did a hot shot up the nose? Also what is the most effective way of smoking H? i used the old foil and bic pen, but i felt like i wasted alot of the drug. Do you veteran smokers preffer like a crystal meth pipe or something like that?. What are your guy's techniques for smoking tar. Plus when i crushed the H chunks it broke into a sticky crystiline powder i was wondering if chopped up fine i could snort it? Also do i need anything to dissolve the Black Tar in other than water, such as some citric acid, and where would i find this? Or can i just use good old bottled distilled water.

Thanks in advance for all this boards wisdom!
Love,
Mr. Give me some fucking smack

[CUBErt]

May not have been super high quality. My shit costs $50-60 a gram but maybe I just get a bad price. I only smoke, and use foil and a bic pen just takes practice I don't really lose any smoke since I got skillz :cool: but compared to shooting it is somewhat of a waste. When you say it broke up into a crystalline powder that leads me to believe it was pretty cut. Tar is cut with coffee or sugar often so that may have been all the cut kinda breaking out of it. If you need me to go into more detail about smoking it I can, but I think it was either low quality or, if ur used to shooting that might be why it didn't affect you that much.

[devilsdrug]

sound like u need to find another connect unless ur tolerance is up which u didnt mention

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

yeah i never was into smoking H and any tips you have that can get me the most mileage out of my hard tar (which ive always imagined would be soft for some reason), while i try to get a new connect or some new rigs. My only route of administering my H was through a 28 guage, but that was before i moved. Since getting to southern california, i have had procured some oxycontin , morphine amps, which came with rigs (Hence me asking some needle exchange in california questions), and a whole shit load natural opiate material (and sure as hell not from those bastards in NJ and FL who are the same people, fuck them!) administerd through a plethora of extraction techniques. I would guess i have a high tolerance when i get oc's for example 4 40mgs will get me nice! But i love the euphoria and ritual of the ol' brown in da spoon. Basically since i finally am " breaking in to the H scene here in so cal" any west coast ridas wanna give me a black tar tutorial? Like where to get rigs, the legality of rigs, needle exchange rules. What to look for when buying tar to tell if its quality of just plain ol shit. Adminstration techniques, mainly for shootin but other techniques are helpful when sick got dope and out of rigs. In FL i used to find myself out of rigs before out of dope, im really parinoid and practice new rig for every hit. So its a whole diffrent world on the west than where i came from in dade county FL. So help me out yo!

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

cubert got any detailed smoking tips, and how to tell if the tar is good or shitty, like tell tail signs?
thanks in adavnce for your help

[red26]

Tar. Typically in my experience, wich has only been with tar, the stronger vinegar-like smell it has the better. If it is powdered it's usually cut to shit and sometimes the powdered stuff turnes to, well, tar in the dealers mouth cuz of heat. If you blow on the powder it turns to tar. I always ask for clean. You can hot-rail it too. Just cook it up , suck it up, and squirt it up your nose. It burns like hell but works just as fast as browning and as good. Just use as little water as possible. It really sucks to squirt a full CC up your nose.

[CUBErt]

If it crumbles like that its prolly low quality. Depending on the cut should be deep black its sometimes super sticky like taffy or can be rock hard/dense but when it breaks apart it don't crumble. Where in SoCal are you, hit me up on email.

EDIT: in terms of the smoking process ull know if ur doing it right cuz no smoke will be escaping. Follow slightly behind it with your pen/straw not right above the tar but slightly behind to catch it all

[BorisB]

I smoke the black tar I find when I'm home in So.Cal. Displaced in Wisconsin, I can't find anything :( :mad:... but perhaps next week this opium connection will come through.

I've experienced softer, more malleable black tar and harder, more crystalline black tar and they didn't have a big difference in potency. I think someone said above that the stronger the vinegar smell, the higher the quality... after thinking about it, I guess I agree. The good tar in So.Cal does reek of vinegar.

I suggest an "Oil burner" pipe for smoking it. Tin foil can be mastered, but an oil burner and a high-heat lighter is easier and likely more efficient.

I hope you find good connections, man.

[Blind Melon]

I pay between $40-$60 for a gram of tar, depending on how much I'm picking up. In my experience w/ socal tar the harder the better. Mine has never broken up very well, it should just break apart into sticky little clumps... almost like if you break apart a peppermint candy, only slightly less hard. If you can chop it up I'm going to guess it's pretty damn cut-up. The laffy-taffy stuff is usually low quality. The darker the better, usually, and the stronger the vinegar smell the better, usually.

To smoke it I take a piece of foil probably 1.5in x 4-5in and fold it into an open V the long way. Place a glob about 2cn from the top about then put the light directly below. Like CUBE said, you don't want the pen directly above the glob, but a little behind it because the smoke will sort of roll up the foil a little. You know when you are getting good when you don't even lose the tiniest stream of smoke. It's going to take some practice, but you should be able to master the technique by the end of your first or second gram. Smoking is my ROA of choice.

Sometimes I also do hot-rails up the nose. You break down a glob of the tar, about the same size as a piece you'd smoke, into the least amount of water as possible. I normally use a spoon. Apply heat beneath the surface just like you were going to shoot it up. Then do whatever you gotta do to get the juice up your nose...sniff it up carefully, needleless syringe, whatever works. I don't know the chemistry behind it, but heating it up works waaay better than doing it cold. It burns like hell, but it's worth it. I find it usually get's me a lot more loaded than smoking---mg for mg. More of a body high too.

[CUBErt]

After about 1.5 years with experience with this shit I have only tried with an "oil incense burned" aka meth pipe twice. One was way too thick and I couldn't get a hit, but the other one was thin and I was able to get some hits comparable to foil with it. I need to experiment more with the pipe since foil can't be great on the lungs.

[nick]

After about 1.5 years with experience with this shit I have only tried with an "oil incense burned" aka meth pipe twice. One was way too thick and I couldn't get a hit, but the other one was thin and I was able to get some hits comparable to foil with it. I need to experiment more with the pipe since foil can't be great on the lungs.
Cubert I've been meaning to mention the dangers of foil.There is a very nasty neuro problem,which is believed to be,caused by chasing.I think there is New York post article on it.I'll try and find it for you.
I think the pipe is the way to go.If you stick at it you're bound to get very good at it in time.

[madnesscult]

If it crumbles like that its prolly low quality. Depending on the cut should be deep black its sometimes super sticky like taffy or can be rock hard/dense but when it breaks apart it don't crumble.

The consistency can vary depending upon the temperature...dope that would normally be hard will get to the gooey-taffy consistency if it's a hot day out. If your dope is too sticky to cut, I would reccomend putting it in the refridgerator for 5 minutes or so, and that will definitely make it more manageable (DON'T put it in the freezer, because it can cause ice crystals to form on it, and that just makes the situation worse). As for the quality of the dope you're getting, I'm thinking that it's not very good for two reasons: first, because of the consistency (crumbly) and the price. Like CUBErt said, it shouldn't crumble, and you're paying about half of what you should for a gram. Pretty much every connect that I've dealt with in So Cal has never gone any lower than $40 for a gram, and usually you'll have to pay $50-60 (like CUBErt said). The $40 price was a special circumstance, and I wouldn't trust anyone that would sell a gram for $30 - either they don't know what they should be charging (unlikely) or their H is cut to hell.

I've never smoked it, and have only snorted it a few times, but for a gram, you should get at least a decent buzz.

Depending upon where you are in So Cal also can affect the quality H you're getting. PM me and talk to you more about it if you wish.

[CUBErt]

Cubert I've been meaning to mention the dangers of foil.There is a very nasty neuro problem,which is believed to be,caused by chasing.I think there is New York post article on it.I'll try and find it for you.
I think the pipe is the way to go.If you stick at it you're bound to get very good at it in time.

I've read some things on Erowid and Heroinhelper about it. The neuro problem, called "leucoencephalopathy," is attributed with chasing the dragon BUT everywhere I've read the actual cause is a mystery and it is believed to be attributed to a bad cut, something that might be harmful when smoked but not when ingested by any other method. As far as I knew they had never determined the cause but mostly dismissed foil as responsible. Let me know if you have any other sources that say contrary


Personally I am pretty paranoid but speculation like this is not strong enough to keep me away from my tar. I just can't stand hot-railing tar because it burns and tastes terrible and theres not much rush/don't get much higher. Smoking will be my method of ingestion until I keel over from neurological disease or move on to the needle, neither of which I think will happen but you never know.

[nick]

I've read some things on Erowid and Heroinhelper about it. The neuro problem, called "leucoencephalopathy," is attributed with chasing the dragon BUT everywhere I've read the actual cause is a mystery and it is believed to be attributed to a bad cut, something that might be harmful when smoked but not when ingested by any other method. As far as I knew they had never determined the cause but mostly dismissed foil as responsible. Let me know if you have any other sources that say contrary


Personally I am pretty paranoid but speculation like this is not strong enough to keep me away from my tar. I just can't stand hot-railing tar because it burns and tastes terrible and theres not much rush/don't get much higher. Smoking will be my method of ingestion until I keel over from neurological disease or move on to the needle, neither of which I think will happen but you never know.
Cubert bro,don't take this the wrong way,but I smoked junk for many,many moons before I started shooting.I did this purely for economic reasons,but soon got hooked on the needle.Oh yes,addicted to the needle,not just the dope,but the act of shooting up.Idon't mean to preach,but I just want you to know,hell you remind me of me 15 years ago.I just hope you have better breaks than me.
P.S.I will find the articles I've come across.I believe a DR Blatherwick has done the most recent research.I know it's not the foil or the cut.The only factor in these case seems to be chasing junk.

[madnesscult]

Cubert bro,don't take this the wrong way,but I smoked junk for many,many moons before I started shooting.I did this purely for economic reasons,but soon got hooked on the needle.Oh yes,addicted to the needle,not just the dope,but the act of shooting up.Idon't mean to preach,but I just want you to know,hell you remind me of me 15 years ago.I just hope you have better breaks than me.
P.S.I will find the articles I've come across.I believe a DR Blatherwick has done the most recent research.I know it's not the foil or the cut.The only factor in these case seems to be chasing junk.

A friend of mine would shoot up water when he was going through withdrawls - he said that just the act of shooting up made him feel better.

[CUBErt]

Cubert bro,don't take this the wrong way,but I smoked junk for many,many moons before I started shooting.I did this purely for economic reasons,but soon got hooked on the needle.Oh yes,addicted to the needle,not just the dope,but the act of shooting up.Idon't mean to preach,but I just want you to know,hell you remind me of me 15 years ago.I just hope you have better breaks than me.
P.S.I will find the articles I've come across.I believe a DR Blatherwick has done the most recent research.I know it's not the foil or the cut.The only factor in these case seems to be chasing junk.

Don't worry I didn't take that the wrong way. And for myself I just meant I intend not to but I've heard that "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." :jumping-s And I know I'm not exempt from the rules but the way I see it by the time I would have moved to the needle I would hope to be done with junk in general by then. Once again more speculation and things often turn out quite differently. You older folks feel free to rip on me. (except DD he makes me cry)


But back on the subject, one more note about gooooood tar. The best tar I have ever smoked was not categorized by a strong vinegar smell but by not much smell at all initially. You can tell though when you smoke it and get the taste, this shit had a weird chemical kinda taste. The only way I can describe it is that after I took a hit I tasted/smelled something similar to those chemicals they use to keep urinals smelling good, or maybe just public restroom cleaning chemicals in general.

In my experience with tar the low-decent quality tar all the way up to damn good tar can be similar in taste/smell/and consistency. With enough experience you can tell the difference by taste and examination (kinda like a good wine taster ;) ). But the real difference is in the super shitty quality and the super bomb knock-you-on-your-ass quality. The two extreme ends of the spectrum you will probably be able to tell by look/smell/taste. Of course the actual EFFECTS are the final judge but this knowledge can help you from buying up a huge amount of shit before you really know.

[repeek]

I am right on the border, here the harder the tar the better, the blacker and shinier the better. The real strong vinegar smell can mean it is fresh dope, or they didn’t take long enough to dry it and it will be heavy (usually the stronger the vinegar smell the softer the dope; not enough drying time means you get less dope for your money).

[CUBErt]

The part about putting it in the refridgerator just reminded me of something I've been wondering about. Sometimes I get tar that seems to sort of "dry out" as I have it. For instance if I have a big amount after a couple of days it looks shrivled somewhat and smaller than when I last looked at it (I'm aware that I am using it, to all you smartasses. But this is different. I'll put it away at night and when I wake up it seems to be slightly shrunken). I just wondered if the refridgerator could possibly prevent this, and if it was always a good place to store tar. As in, is there any circumstance where it would be detrimental to your tar to store it in the fridge?

[repeek]

The part about putting it in the refridgerator just reminded me of something I've been wondering about. Sometimes I get tar that seems to sort of "dry out" as I have it. For instance if I have a big amount after a couple of days it looks shrivled somewhat and smaller than when I last looked at it (I'm aware that I am using it, to all you smartasses. But this is different. I'll put it away at night and when I wake up it seems to be slightly shrunken). I just wondered if the refridgerator could possibly prevent this, and if it was always a good place to store tar. As in, is there any circumstance where it would be detrimental to your tar to store it in the fridge?



The reagent used to make black tar is usually film developer fluid, it is the easiest source of acetic anhydride in sufficient quantity to make heroin, often when in a hurry to get the product out to market they don’t allow the extra drying time needed to get the other reagents in the drug to evaporate. In any case, that is why the tar is soft and shrinks if you have some for more than a couple of days. The fridge would probably prevent the shrinkage you are experiencing, but you aren’t losing dope when it shrinks, just reagents that have not evaporated because they didn’t let it dry long enough.

[SobrietyBinge]

After Repeek's post I looked up "acetic anhydride" on wikipedia. it is indeed used in to make heroin.

CUBErt said this:

"The neuro problem, called "leucoencephalopathy," is attributed with chasing the dragon BUT everywhere I've read the actual cause is a mystery."

When one cooks heroin up it may either break the acetic anhydride through some process involving the water, or alternatively give time for the acetic anhydride to evaporate. by chasing the dragon the chemical doesn't get that time to evaporate under higher temperature and so the acetic anhydride presumably gets breathed in along with the heroin. Maybe this is a cause of the neuro problem associated with chasing the dragon.

[madnesscult]

Man, I have inhaled sooooooo much chemical fumes from photo labs. I wonder if that'll give the same effects if exposed long-term?

[repeek]

After Repeek's post I looked up "acetic anhydride" on wikipedia. it is indeed used in to make heroin.

CUBErt said this:

"The neuro problem, called "leucoencephalopathy," is attributed with chasing the dragon BUT everywhere I've read the actual cause is a mystery."

When one cooks heroin up it may either break the acetic anhydride through some process involving the water, or alternatively give time for the acetic anhydride to evaporate. by chasing the dragon the chemical doesn't get that time to evaporate under higher temperature and so the acetic anhydride presumably gets breathed in along with the heroin. Maybe this is a cause of the neuro problem associated with chasing the dragon.


I would be surprised if it was the acetic anhydride that was the problem, I would imagine some other chemical that might be in the dope. Because laws have been passed and enforced making it difficult to get the pure chemicals used to make dope (cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin for sure) these cartels are using whatever they can get their hands on that contain the chemicals they need to make the dope they are producing. Things like film developing fluid are easier to acquire than the pure acetic anhydride that would be the ideal choice for production. They are using unleaded gas to make cocaine because chloroform and ether is so hard to get now.


My guess would be it is a chemical reaction with one of the other chemicals left behind in the production process that is causing Acetic anhydride is a required chemical that is present in every batch of heroin made no matter what lab produced it. It would be far more common if acetic anhydride was the problem, actually it would be epidemic among smokers if that were the case. But some other chemical present in whatever they can find with acetic anhydride in it, is a very reasonable assumption as to why leucoencephalopathy is happening among foil using smokers.

[CUBErt]

Another thing noteworthy that I read was these cases were almost always involving powdered H. I don't think any cases actually involved black tar, leading them to narrow it down to a cut that would be in powder

[nick]

Another thing noteworthy that I read was these cases were almost always involving powdered H. I don't think any cases actually involved black tar, leading them to narrow it down to a cut that would be in powder
This is true.The cases appear in clusters;Vancoever,New York and I believe the Netherlands.So you might be cool with tar,but if you want to be totally safe use a glass pipe.
P.S. I wasn't trying to be condescending Cubert.You can obviously think for yourself.It's just if I'm being honest in the early hours when I'm alone I look at my tracks and think what the fuck have you done to yourself,what have you done to your life.Now I figure we both LOVE heroin,but there is always a bill to pay,no free lunches here bro and when you talk of never fixing or fucking up you sound JUST like I used to and man the bill has just arrived for me and I'm struggling to settle up.

[CUBErt]

Yeah I know ur just imparting your wisdom. Thanks for your concern man, I really do appreciate it.

[Duckfeet]

I live down here in So. Socal, and I'm telling you, so far anyway, the tar sucks the closer you get to the border. I know this goes against common sense. But I've been a border rat for a lot of years, from here to Brownsville TX, and it just seems like the stuff they peddle *close* to Mexico, never seems quite as good as the shit they send up north. Best I've ever gotten was from some guy up by Chicago. Worst was always Corpus Christi, where seems like half the hypes had some kind of flesh-eating crap going on around their veins.

It just seems like the serious guys down south get the good junk across the border and then send it up north. I think what we get is the stuff they can't peddle, or that smaller dealers put together. Believe me, I live down here, I *want* to be wrong. But so far, nothing I've gotten stands up to one good #4 dilaudid...and those are hard to come by :(

I know up by L.A. things might be different. Hell, it's a big port there, you might even be getting some good Afghani white, rather than the Columbian/Mex butchered up crap we get down here.

[madnesscult]

I live down here in So. Socal, and I'm telling you, so far anyway, the tar sucks the closer you get to the border. I know this goes against common sense. But I've been a border rat for a lot of years, from here to Brownsville TX, and it just seems like the stuff they peddle *close* to Mexico, never seems quite as good as the shit they send up north. Best I've ever gotten was from some guy up by Chicago. Worst was always Corpus Christi, where seems like half the hypes had some kind of flesh-eating crap going on around their veins.

It just seems like the serious guys down south get the good junk across the border and then send it up north. I think what we get is the stuff they can't peddle, or that smaller dealers put together. Believe me, I live down here, I *want* to be wrong. But so far, nothing I've gotten stands up to one good #4 dilaudid...and those are hard to come by :(

I know up by L.A. things might be different. Hell, it's a big port there, you might even be getting some good Afghani white, rather than the Columbian/Mex butchered up crap we get down here.

In my experience, the stuff I get close to the border (I lived in the city closest to the border in Cali) is a much better quality than what I've found in either LA or in SF. You'd think the stuff in SF would be pretty good, it being a port town and all, but no. It's seriously less than 1/2 strength than the stuff I get at home. And as for LA quality stuff, there's a fellow opiophile member that used to drive from LA down to us to get some of our shit, although that was only every few weeks or so (just because of gas money). My dealer loved it when he came though, 'cos he'd buy like 3-5 grams at a time. So now my guy is always asking whem my friend is going to come back down!

But anyway, I suppose it all depends upon who you're getting it from. My dealer frequently goes down to the border (but never crosses 'cos he's an illegal), so I assume what we're getting is pretty close to the original source, since it's some of the best tar I've gotten.

[Duckfeet]

In my experience, the stuff I get close to the border (I lived in the city closest to the border in Cali) is a much better quality than what I've found in either LA or in SF. You'd think the stuff in SF would be pretty good, it being a port town and all, but no. It's seriously less than 1/2 strength than the stuff I get at home. And as for LA quality stuff, there's a fellow opiophile member that used to drive from LA down to us to get some of our shit, although that was only every few weeks or so (just because of gas money). My dealer loved it when he came though, 'cos he'd buy like 3-5 grams at a time. So now my guy is always asking whem my friend is going to come back down!

But anyway, I suppose it all depends upon who you're getting it from. My dealer frequently goes down to the border (but never crosses 'cos he's an illegal), so I assume what we're getting is pretty close to the original source, since it's some of the best tar I've gotten.

I know you're right--you can be anywhere and get the right guy, and it'll be good. I think the guys who have the good stuff are just a lot more cautious, and I'll be running around clinics and crap, getting it off wineheads and other idiots. I always had other shit going on, didn't stay a long enough time, and would usually get the kind of border rat stuff you'd expect. But I hear or meet somebody once in a while, and know you can have a totally different world, just blocks away, if you are patient. I think the regional stuff mostly applies if you are just passing through. Other than that, time can always produce good results, in the strangest of places....

[repeek]

There seems to be two grades here on the border with Juarez too, the dealers who get it through the Azteca, MM, or TS gangs is inferior to the dealers who cross it themselves. It seems to be close to a 2 to 1 ratio of difference. Swim has a brother who is always saying the stuff swim gets is twice as good he is just a couple of blocks away.

[Duckfeet]

There seems to be two grades here on the border with Juarez too, the dealers who get it through the Azteca, MM, or TS gangs is inferior to the dealers who cross it themselves. It seems to be close to a 2 to 1 ratio of difference. Swim has a brother who is always saying the stuff swim gets is twice as good he is just a couple of blocks away.

Yeah, I used to like it around your territory too. There was some cheap hotel in Juarez I would stay in. I was running from some bs in Louisiana, and was kicking D's, and I'd actually crossed over way east in *Brownsville*, down to San Miguel de Allende, then come back up through Chihuahua and Juarez, where I stayed a bit. Truth is I never got a good connect there, and was eating tons of those old Mexican Neo-percodans, because they would make me well. they sucked yeah, but if I'm kicking, they seemed to work "good enough." You know how it is, you usually gotta put your time in, be cautious, and then things will happen. I speak spanish, but I had junky written all over me and so all I ever bumped into was taxi ripoffs, and bad business...but I *always* liked the feel of El Paso and Juarez, just still has that oldtime bordertown feel to it....

When I *would* feel right, I don't know any better feeling than being south of the USA, drinking a Tecate, waiting on some good tacos, maybe got your old lady sitting there with you...

I'm fixing to head down to Rosarito in a day or two...was there before, and hope to uh, have a "better" time, this time...we'll see...things have changed down south too. It sucks so bad that Fox was close to passing that law where dopefiends got off the hook for smalltime possesion, but the U.S. got wind of it, and cracked down on Fox. What a bummer, hell, might have turned it back into Mexico City days when Burroughs and Cassidy were doing their thing. They are more *sane* down there, with regards addicts...unless you get *really* unlucky, then it can get *real* bad...but bad luck can happen anywhere...

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

I fucking love you guys with all your wealth of information. For the record ive been using a thin bowl "incense burner" to smoke, works the best in my opinion and after im done with my hit i can plug the hole and not loose any smoke. This is been my method of administration, until i met a guy who has diabities and he has give me about 20 1 cc 28 guage orange cap rigs. But i think i like the best to shoot then smoke a little bit. Ive been going to my connect alot and he hooks up about 4 sacks of .8 or .9 grams for $75. Shits not bad, especially when iv'd. I think the quality has been going up, its harder and shinyer now and when warm gets all laffy taffy like and there is no crystaline shit in it anymore. Me and my connect have been hanging out and are getting to be good friends he doesnt have a car so i help him run errands, cash checks, go shopping, etc. And he gets me loaded for free. Plus he lives with this bitchy girlfriend, who he has a baby with and the only reason he is with her is because a free place to stay and he has a kid with her. But he always wants to get out of the house and get high and so i pick him up and we get loaded together. Do you think thats dangerous at all?

[madnesscult]

CUBErt, just meeting with the guy could be considered dangerous, unless you're talking about non-legal danger...

It sucks, it seems the more often I go to my guy, the lower the quality gets. Sometimes we will only buy off of him once every few weeks, and it's always really good. But when it gets to where we've been going to him every day or every other day for a week or so, the quality drops...like he knows at that point that he's the only person we're buying off of, so he doesn't have to worry about competition so he doesn't have to give us his good shit. But as soon as we complain about it, he'll give us the good stuff again. I think maybe he thinks we won't notice or something...he's never done the stuff himself, so I suppose he doesn't know how easy it is to tell the difference between little cut and a lot of it.

[repeek]

Yeah, I used to like it around your territory too. There was some cheap hotel in Juarez I would stay in. I was running from some bs in Louisiana, and was kicking D's, and I'd actually crossed over way east in *Brownsville*, down to San Miguel de Allende, then come back up through Chihuahua and Juarez, where I stayed a bit. Truth is I never got a good connect there, and was eating tons of those old Mexican Neo-percodans, because they would make me well. they sucked yeah, but if I'm kicking, they seemed to work "good enough." You know how it is, you usually gotta put your time in, be cautious, and then things will happen. I speak spanish, but I had junky written all over me and so all I ever bumped into was taxi ripoffs, and bad business...but I *always* liked the feel of El Paso and Juarez, just still has that oldtime bordertown feel to it....

When I *would* feel right, I don't know any better feeling than being south of the USA, drinking a Tecate, waiting on some good tacos, maybe got your old lady sitting there with you...

I'm fixing to head down to Rosarito in a day or two...was there before, and hope to uh, have a "better" time, this time...we'll see...things have changed down south too. It sucks so bad that Fox was close to passing that law where dopefiends got off the hook for smalltime possesion, but the U.S. got wind of it, and cracked down on Fox. What a bummer, hell, might have turned it back into Mexico City days when Burroughs and Cassidy were doing their thing. They are more *sane* down there, with regards addicts...unless you get *really* unlucky, then it can get *real* bad...but bad luck can happen anywhere...


Things across the river are getting back to old day conditions in a lot of ways, it was getting scary going over there because of all the Cartel violence. Let’s face it, when several people walk into a restaurant and shoot up a bunch of other people with machine guns and things like that happen fairly often; it kinda spoils the fun you used to have sitting in a patio restaurant waiting for your connect while downing some authentic Mexican food that costs a fraction of what you would pay in the U.S. But after the Carello brothers went down the Azteca gang has emerged as a real player down here, they must have some kind of a relationship with whatever Cartel is running the show now. Violence has really slowed down, prices stabilized, quality is consistent and availability is everywhere. There is like two qualities, street grade, and white collar grade. The white collar grade is just not available on the street, you have to know somebody to get the quality stuff, Swims dealer has a handful of customers and deals like a regular job; 8-5 and if you were to harass him after five you would most likely get cut off.

I am hearing stories that the galleries are opening up in Juarez again, if that turns out to be true, and I hope it does; things will definitely be better for addicts all the way around. That will mean that the power struggle has ended. I remember when La Nacha was the queen of Mexico, now she knew how to run a business. I hope whoever is in power now can keep it together like she did; the Cartel wars are really bad.

[Duckfeet]

Things across the river are getting back to old day conditions in a lot of ways, it was getting scary going over there because of all the Cartel violence. Let’s face it, when several people walk into a restaurant and shoot up a bunch of other people with machine guns and things like that happen fairly often; it kinda spoils the fun you used to have sitting in a patio restaurant waiting for your connect while downing some authentic Mexican food that costs a fraction of what you would pay in the U.S. But after the Carello brothers went down the Azteca gang has emerged as a real player down here, they must have some kind of a relationship with whatever Cartel is running the show now. Violence has really slowed down, prices stabilized, quality is consistent and availability is everywhere. There is like two qualities, street grade, and white collar grade. The white collar grade is just not available on the street, you have to know somebody to get the quality stuff, Swims dealer has a handful of customers and deals like a regular job; 8-5 and if you were to harass him after five you would most likely get cut off.

I am hearing stories that the galleries are opening up in Juarez again, if that turns out to be true, and I hope it does; things will definitely be better for addicts all the way around. That will mean that the power struggle has ended. I remember when La Nacha was the queen of Mexico, now she knew how to run a business. I hope whoever is in power now can keep it together like she did; the Cartel wars are really bad.

I was just reading the NYTimes online, and they had a big article today on beheadings and terrorism among the cartels down in Mexico. But you're right, Juarez wasn't even mentioned. But boy, sound's like every where else it's getting a little crazy. I mean even calm old Rosarito, less than an hour south of where I live, right on the beach, they killed and beheaded a couple of cops just a while back. I like going down there, got a cheap motel, right on the beach, a couple of farmacias near, and well, hopeful other stuff happening...but it's getting crazy. And Matamoros is bad now, and Nuevo Laredo, fuck, it's been horrible for all this year anyway. Too bad, really, such a lovely country, and all these problems would just go away if they'ed legalize the crap here...but no chance. Sure sounds like you live in the one cool border town left!

[nick]

I was just reading the NYTimes online, and they had a big article today on beheadings and terrorism among the cartels down in Mexico. But you're right, Juarez wasn't even mentioned. But boy, sound's like every where else it's getting a little crazy. I mean even calm old Rosarito, less than an hour south of where I live, right on the beach, they killed and beheaded a couple of cops just a while back. I like going down there, got a cheap motel, right on the beach, a couple of farmacias near, and well, hopeful other stuff happening...but it's getting crazy. And Matamoros is bad now, and Nuevo Laredo, fuck, it's been horrible for all this year anyway. Too bad, really, such a lovely country, and all these problems would just go away if they'ed legalize the crap here...but no chance. Sure sounds like you live in the one cool border town left!
If we all take care and eat healthy,we'll see legalisation in one form or another.When there are enough users we'll reach a tipping point where prohibition is no longer viable economically.Of course there will be much suffering before then,but suffering and injustice usually only bothers people it happens to

[Soda]

Cubert I've been meaning to mention the dangers of foil.There is a very nasty neuro problem,which is believed to be,caused by chasing.I think there is New York post article on it.I'll try and find it for you.
I think the pipe is the way to go.If you stick at it you're bound to get very good at it in time.
http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=2971 - smoking aluminum tied to deaths. "There seems to be an interaction between some of the things heroin is cut with and the aluminum foil that causes a toxic reaction."

[Soda]

I am right on the border, here the harder the tar the better, the blacker and shinier the better. The real strong vinegar smell can mean it is fresh dope, or they didn’t take long enough to dry it and it will be heavy (usually the stronger the vinegar smell the softer the dope; not enough drying time means you get less dope for your money).
Are you Agent Smith? All that lack of purpose got you turning to hard drugs? Shit man. You used to be so good at being the cure for the disease called Humanity.

EDIT:
leukoencephalopathy is really bad. it gives you MS. takes the coating off your neural circuits. id rather die.

[candy]

I fucking love you guys with all your wealth of information. For the record ive been using a thin bowl "incense burner" to smoke, works the best in my opinion and after im done with my hit i can plug the hole and not loose any smoke. This is been my method of administration, until i met a guy who has diabities and he has give me about 20 1 cc 28 guage orange cap rigs. But i think i like the best to shoot then smoke a little bit. Ive been going to my connect alot and he hooks up about 4 sacks of .8 or .9 grams for $75. Shits not bad, especially when iv'd. I think the quality has been going up, its harder and shinyer now and when warm gets all laffy taffy like and there is no crystaline shit in it anymore. Me and my connect have been hanging out and are getting to be good friends he doesnt have a car so i help him run errands, cash checks, go shopping, etc. And he gets me loaded for free. Plus he lives with this bitchy girlfriend, who he has a baby with and the only reason he is with her is because a free place to stay and he has a kid with her. But he always wants to get out of the house and get high and so i pick him up and we get loaded together. Do you think thats dangerous at all?

Is it dangerous?....Depends on what you think dangerous is. I have never made any purchases from those who dabble in their own stuff that they sell.
I would imagine it might be better to buy from someone who is only on the business end and not on the using end. Just what I have been told. For those that are doing business, I wouldn't hang long with them. Never know who might be watching them. That could sound paranoid, I guess. But, I just felt getting too personal with my man might only lead to other problems I didn't need.
Then again, for you it sounds like it has some advantages, free stuff.

I am in L.A. too. Closer to Long Beach/O.C. area and my own experience with what has been around here is very good. While it has been some time for me since I have had the pleasure of doing it, I always found it to be worthwhile and never had any problems. Black, shiny, and hard......The junk is what I am talking about. Hmmm....black, shiny, and hard, I almost forgot what site I was on. Nah, just joking....But after I read what I wrote(black, shiny, and hard) it just looked kinda funny and my first thought was of something else, not H.

OK, I have way too much time on my hands today, either that or I should get off of the computer and call my man home for lunch!

But, I have only had the experience of this part of L.A. and nothing else and my point was lost somewhere.....Sorry, My personal opinion on getting too chummy with your connection, is not to. But maybe that is best for girls only!

[Soda]

you dont get many lady drug dealers nowadays:(

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

candy i live in wilmington on the border of wilmington and long beach like i walk about 2 min and im in longbeach but i gotta make the haul to santa ana to get my dope, do you think im getting a good deal. Also how does the needle exchanges work out here in the lbc

[candy]

Giveme.....
I wasn't sure how to address you as "givemesomefuckingsmack", so I just shortened it to giveme!
I guess we could use, "GMSFS."

Anyway, There is actually a needle exchange somewhere near Wilmington, but none in Long Beach. The city just will not allow them....Those religious right-wing idiots with NIMBY syndrome(not in my backyard) which stands for NIMBY, just don't want those dirty drug using felons in their neighborhood. Hmm, someone needs to let them know that they are already in the neighborhood, but that we are all not dirty, nor are we all felons. Many of us are good people in need of some services that can allow us to continue to use without worrying about HIV/Hep C and the nuisance of cops and do-gooders that have the answer to all our problems if we just admitted we were bad people in need of a religious miracle. Sorry to offend anyone religious!

Not sure exactly what your paying...I used to pay about $40-50 a gram. 2 grams for around $80-90. The more I purchased, the less I paid. 2-1/2 -3 grams cost me around $130. This came after a few years of being consistent and bringing a few others in. I figured I was getting a good deal and the stuff was pretty good. My problem was a growing tolerance and no matter how good, I just wasn't getting the effect I wanted.

Your not that far from me to be honest. I don't delve into that world anymore and on a whim one day for old times sake tried the number I had memorized in my brain and damn it....The number was temporarily disconnected! Figures, huh! Oh, well! Better that way. My life is much better just being on the Methadone and going to the clinic. Being clean does have that advantage with MMT. I only go in for dosing 2 times a month and get take homes for the other doses. I like it that way and I guess I earned those take homes!
You may be aware of the clinic in L.B. on Market St. Between Atlantic and Long Beach Blvd. Not where I go anymore, shitty place with too many always asking for money or wanting to sell you K-pins.

Are you familiar of any of the Needle Exchanges in L.A. There are some that are real good. Most do take a 1:1 trade, but Homeless Healthcare in downtown starts you off with 10 if you have none to exchange and give you all sorts of other free goodies.
If you want a list of NE programs around there, let me know...In fact there is one by you. Well, I think it is anyway. I will check it out! I will post the NE sites in the Harm Reduction section if you want them!

[psychotiKK]

Tar. Typically in my experience, wich has only been with tar, the stronger vinegar-like smell it has the better. If it is powdered it's usually cut to shit and sometimes the powdered stuff turnes to, well, tar in the dealers mouth cuz of heat. If you blow on the powder it turns to tar. I always ask for clean. You can hot-rail it too. Just cook it up , suck it up, and squirt it up your nose. It burns like hell but works just as fast as browning and as good. Just use as little water as possible. It really sucks to squirt a full CC up your nose.

That's how I do it.. if you get high that way.. then definatey shoot it up. To me, the tar you have sounds like it may be of low quality or fake even. I've had good tar and tried many times chasing the dragon without too much success.. then i found out cooking it up in a spoon with water, then snorting it gave me a mind blowing high compared to the smoking route. After that I shot it up and it was all gooood. I really need to get some tar again but the damn suboxone makes it impossible.