Oh alcohol; why can't you be more like an opiate.

[Nagelfar]

Oh man. I have to urinate every 30 seconds, and I wish I hadn't drank those two '5 hour energy's, so maybe I could just pass out, I thought I'd have "enjoyed it more" if I was conscious through the whole ordeal of inebriation. How wrong I was. The universe is spinning. It just takes away all coordination, is all alcohol does. Even with an overdose of caffeine.

Why oh why couldn't have medieval Europe been full of poppy plants instead of fermented yeast so my DOC would be the accepted form of escape/recreation other than beer & wine? Who actually spends their money on this stuff? If I was closer to civilization I'd have myself a bag right now. I have to run and urinate again. Damn.

[paups]

The last 6mos or so I have been feeling my love affair with booze ending..
In my early 20s I was out every. single. night. of the week..irish coffee during studio crits->art opening wine->after-party->dinner/drinks->some dive bar->someone's loft..
But I rarely drank alone.. (and there was usually coke to accompany the 3pm-5am circuit..*shudder*)

When I moved to SF I started drinking practically suicidally to potentiate dope (and obliterate myself, of course).. I would sleep with a 5th of vodka on my nightstand.. drink until I puked and passed out.. wake up and take a few swigs to greet the day. Totally disgusting.. that was 6-7years ago.
Back home again I layed off for awhile.. never actually went back to the hard spirits. But beer became a daily indulgence..prob a 6pack a day of nice microbrews or local favorites for a long time...But these days I can barely stomach half that.. I usually have 2-3 beers at night.. but I can honestly say that it has lost it's lustre to me finally..

I used to be totally stumped as to how to live socially without alcohol..I think in your early-mid 20s it IS kindof intrinsically crucial to your social life (and sex life!) But now-a-days there really just isn't a point to it anymore. There are no benefits besides feeling sleepy, fat, and knowing I am slaughtering my poor liver.

I'm making an effort to just give it up entirely except for when out to dinner or something (like 2-3x a month?) Sure, have a nice $15 martini.. but gallons of toxic liquid dumped down my froat nightly? I think it's time to kiss that one goodbye :)

[More Feen]

Alcohol isn't even worthy enough to wipe Opiate's syphillitic butt.

All things considered, I'm surprised the FedGov hasn't made alcohol a Schedule IV Substance (yet).

M F

[Dolofinell]

Who actually spends their money on this stuff?
Sure as hell not me, I've been on junk, maintenance, and benzos since age 15, so 17 years now. I have always hated the "buzz" of alcohol. Many of my in-law uncles are country boy case a day drinkers and wouldn't touch a joint with a 10 foot pole because "it's a drug",c'mon , but I'm the fucked up junkie because I had a dope habit, shit I've been clean on MMT or subutex 6 years now. So who's the fucked up junkie? I'd say them, but not in there eyes. I really fuckin hate when they have one of there giant bonfires and I'm the only one not drinking, they look at me like I'm crazy. It's the only time I even smoke weed nowadays, sneak off to the back 40 at the party and light 1 up by myself. Can't do it around there party.

[Opiophelia]

I drank quite heavily from age 15-18. Then I discovered opiates and alcohol lost all its appeal. I RARELY drink these days. Usually, I only drink when I have no other drugs to put me to sleep. I have bad insomnia so i occasionally use it as a last resort to put me to sleep. But after taking a few sips it's as if my body rejects it. I can barely swallow it without feeling like im gonna puke it right back up.

I'll sometimes order a drink when I go out to dinner (especially when someone else is paying) but I have to get a glass of water to drink after every sip of alcohol.

Its.just.plain.nasty.

Don't even get me started on the ass-backward draconian drug laws that are so fucking hypocritical it hurts. how the hell can alcohol (which is so harmful to society) be legal and accepted and something as benign as marijuana cannot?!?

i hate alcohol.

[itchintofix]

fuckl alcohol.... shittest drug ever(and i include largactil)

[AndiPandi]

Neither me nor my s/o are drinkers, but he's on a big moonshine making kick. The only thing I really like about it is the big "fuck you" to the feds. The shit is potent, but not too bad when made with apples and mixed with apple juice.

However, it never really hits the spot that opiates do. Nothing does.

Paups, it almost seems like a rite of passage to drink like a fish in your early twenties. I know I did it. It was fun while it lasted but, at this point in life, I'd rather not wake up with a hangover. Taking care of kids while my body is recovering from a helluva night just doesn't appeal to me anymore. I don't fucking care who you are, you can't take care of kids while drinking. Now, I can take my dosage of meds and take care of my kids all day long.

[reddragon3668]

fucking tablet! not sure how it posted part of this while I was still typing...

I am an alcoholic and most the time when I was drinking, it was horrible. I never got sick, rarely got a hangover, and never passed out. That was a bad combo. Most people get sick or pass out, which makes them stop drinking. Not my dumb ass...oh no... I loved the taste of a Budweiser more than anything I know: still do. And, if it wouldn't kill me, I'd drink everyday all day. But, I stopped a case + a day routine when my 8 year old was born. If I would not have stopped, I shudder to think where I'd be. I drank a bit when I was trying to get used to not being high, or if my back hurt really bad after work when I was off opies... then, I've tried it in wd's....worst fucking idea ever! I still tried several more times cause I'm a fucking dumbass sometimes...no more! Now, I couldn't if I wanted too. I get deathly sick these days. It is either an interaction with diabetes, or the insulin, or both. Who knows. I miss it at times..and knowing that it is no longer an option feels like I've lost my oldest and most beloved friend. Never in a million years did I ever think my body would turn on me like this. Bastard!

[epione]

Alcohol isn't even worthy enough to wipe Opiate's syphillitic butt.........

M F

If say, perc 10's could be bought like booze, the alcohol industry would be 1/10th the size it is.
I learned to hate booze at a young age, yet still drank too much sometimes as I got older.
And I do like the taste of some beers.

But god help any opi addict who turns to booze as a replacement for opis.

[Ironic]

Nagelfar, can you smoke weed?

It may not be the euphoric bliss of an opiate, but it is better than alcohol and much easier to control a "habit."

[Opiophelia]

Nagelfar, can you smoke weed?

It may not be the euphoric bliss of an opiate, but it is better than alcohol and much easier to control a "habit."

I think i remember him starting a thread about how much he dislikes pot. It became difficult for me to enjoy pot too since Ive gotten off methadone. It gives me panic attacks. doesn't matter what strain it is... although, i can sometimes enjoy a nice indica with a good cbd content. but the my body and mind dont agree well with sativas.

hmm, sorry, kind of a derail there. dont mind me, im high. nice to finally have some *real* opiates in me after this last run on kratom and lope.

anywho, continue bashing alcohol.

[Nagelfar]

Nagelfar, can you smoke weed?

It may not be the euphoric bliss of an opiate, but it is better than alcohol and much easier to control a "habit."

I do really dislike cannabis. Though I can see in which ways it is superior to alcohol. Wow. I really shouldn't have mixed beer with energy shots though. I'm normally asleep by now. The alcohol is no longer 'sedating' me and I am up and running. It's not a good "up & running" like with caffeine and opiates either.

Hard liquor is better just because I need to drink less of it to have an effect, it still is nothing special though. Last time I had 70 proof rum I passed out, had some dream I was trapped in some big puzzle box, as I came to I was in a storage room blindly padding the sides of stacked boxes trying to find the door to the bathroom that was in the other direction. Reminded me of taking benzos, which I also hate, but better than having to take a lot of fluid to have an effect.

[odd]

Unlike most of you I love me some good beer. I had to cut out hard liquor because of my hep-c and I know drink beer every night is not doing me good. However after busting my ass everyday at work nothing seems better than relaxing at home, vegging out on my computer and drinking beer. Even more so that I cannot have my sweet sweet opiates. I am lucky in the fact that I have never gained weight or gotten a beer belly from beer so thats good but the negative is that I have been drinking forever to fall asleep so I have to have some type of liquor in me in order to fall asleep. I have had my moments of sobriety and it's just the same with opiates. I wonder why I stopped doing them. Both give me pleasure while i know it's killing me but wtf I want to be happy and enjoy something in my life. I really wish I could smoke weed, that would more than likely make me quit drinking to get to sleep but me and weed are not homies at all.

[OpiatedChronically]

Nagelfar, everything you've said about alcohol, I completely agree with. Alcohol is such a horrible drug, although even I have to admit, grudgingly, that it does have it's uses....and I actually do enjoy the taste of a VERY SELECT FEW beers.

I despise it, virtually everything about it, it's all ridiculous to me, although I do drink sometimes, but usually only when I'm having intense anxiety, when I haven't had any bud to smoke in more than a few days, and when I'm in a great deal of pain will I drink alcohol, and of course, on the rare occasion that I'm in need of a fast comedown from potent stimulants.

I like the effects of a few drinks once in a while, but the hangover just sucks so bad, and I'm pretty sensitive to alcohol, I tend to get a headache after having around 4 or more drinks (but it's usually only caused by beer, not hard liquor, oddly enough).

It's nice to have around, but it's usually a last resort option to relax when I don't have my preferred methods of getting high (weed, opiates, stims combined w/ opiates) and even then, I still may not drink if I have any, because most of the time, it's just not worth it for me.....

ODDLY ENOUGH, I actually do enjoy the taste of a VERY SELECT FEW beers.

Then again, if I had an endless supply of amazing cannabis, heroin, amphetamines, cocaine, hallucinogens and benzos/sedatives, I'd never even THINK about alcohol for the rest of my life.

It's just such an inferior substance compared to....almost every other drug.

[Benz]

Aye, alcohol's a pretty shit excuse of a drug. It's highly toxic to every cell in the body it comes into contact with. 2 -4 drinks can be a good way to relax in social situations but, and I speak from experience, drinking daily rapidly destroys your health & has a negative effect on your mood.

I know a few people who have crossed their heroin addiction over to alcohol & alcoholism is definitely the greater evil.



Benz

[blackman]

Eh, I probably drink once a month. I've never really been a big fan. It's just not the feeling I'm searching for.

Although I do enjoy good beer, like $10 six-packs. Two is usually my limit and sometimes that's even too much.

[Fat Pie]

Alcohol's a bit bleh for me, can't drink it like I used to. One good thing that's come out of opiate addiction, I suppose.

[Frenchy0707]

I'm with most of you guys here, I don't drink alcohol, cause it just makes my head feel fuzzy, and I don't like that feeling. I don't smoke pot either, hate that feeling too.
A cop once told me, that 85% of thier calls involve alcohol. I told him to imagine what a happier place the world would be if they sold morphine at the state stores instead of alcohol. You wouldn't have people wanting to fight each other, etc. You would have a bunch of laid back happy lounging at home people...................

[JUNKYJAY]

Alcohol's a bit bleh for me, can't drink it like I used to. One good thing that's come out of opiate addiction, I suppose.

+1 To that Alchol gave me my Opiate addiction at age 20 after a drunken roll over

[happy daze]

what a happier place the world would be if they sold morphine at the state stores instead of alcohol. You wouldn't have people wanting to fight each other, etc. You would have a bunch of laid back happy lounging at home people...................

Too true! Such stupidity to have the substance that makes people stupid and violent, be most readily available.

Anyone else on bupe and find that alcohol hits VERY hard? I really can't drink, just 1/2 of a beer knocks me out, the combination with subs..

[Fat Pie]

Opiates + alcohol = very dangerous.

[jibthis]

I've never been a real drinker but as of late I find myself drinking more and more. I know it is because of my depression. I started maintenence with bupe about a year ago. The first 3 months on maint. I was still using on top, and then after that I have been just giving myself a little treat once a month, as in a gram of some super high quality H that has to be finished the same day I get it. I have been doing a very good job only using that once a month and not getting out of control with H.

I do find my self depressed though. I will pick up 24pack of cans like once a week and I drink that though out the week. Usually I drink about 3 -4 nights a week now and drink a somewhat even amount. I actually enjoy drinking beer since I do not get wasted but I do get a little buzz going. I have always been a slow drinker and the beer just helps reinforce that.

If I was in full on opiate mode there would be no way in hell I would be drinking on top of that.

[fauxflavored]

yeah.. its seems once you've experienced heroin or any tasty opiate everything else just pales in comparison.

[Count Zero]

Aye, alcohol's a pretty shit excuse of a drug. It's highly toxic to every cell in the body it comes into contact with. 2 -4 drinks can be a good way to relax in social situations but, and I speak from experience, drinking daily rapidly destroys your health & has a negative effect on your mood.

I know a few people who have crossed their heroin addiction over to alcohol & alcoholism is definitely the greater evil.



Benz

An objective measure of it's crappiness as a drug is that it's measured in fluid ounces. WTF? Any other drugs worth taking is measured in mls, or mgs or maybe grams. That said, I drink a bottle of chardonnay every night, sometimes more sometimes less but I have no doubt that's the average over the long haul. And I like it a lot and I'm actually pretty happy about it because a few years ago, it was a bit more than that. And I love slightly dirty Ketel One martinis straight up. But yeah, it's not a good drug for the purpose of ongoing intoxication and as mentioned ^^ if I had a lifetime supply of ECP or good tar, I'd probably not give it a second thought.

[Saint]

Somehow alcohol has a different effect once you get older.. When I was in my twenties I got all energetic and happy when I had a few wodka's, wine or whatever. I could drink quite a lot without ever getting really wasted, all it did was make me happy.
Nowadays I just get sleepy and fat if I drink too much.. I do drink daily but keep it limited to a glass of red wine or two. That used to be way, way more once..
Just to relax after work. I usually call it quits after dinner except when going out (once in a blue moon).
Boring huh..

[Fat Pie]

Back when I was boozing proper (aged around 15/16), it was a lot easier to consume large quantities of alcohol than it was after I started using/abusing opiates. I could polish off a bottle of wine or a half of whiskey 'n coke no problem. I would start in the morning (JD in a bottle of cola, sometimes two; pour out half the coke, replace with liquor and shake well, then drink; I even recall setting 'em up the night before), work my way through the school day, and by the time I got home in the afternoon I would have burnt off a fair amount of the effects the booze had had on me, which was of course an invitation to drink more booze. I wanted to be out of it an alky was the key. I got a fake ID and everything in order to premeditatedly start an addiction.

It was hellish though, on my school life as well as my home life, a real portent of things to come. I would have heated arguments, get into fights, be thrown out of school every other week etc. Then I found out a fellow student was also a drug dealer (a genuine one), and things just went insane from there. At the start of the new term I go in having been up all night drinking a bottle of wine and snorting an eighth of coke. I go to English class, am about to sit down, and suddenly the teacher says something about my uniform ('do up the top button' or something pedantic). I comply but make a crack about 'Hall' (the headmaster) wanting everything to be perfect (we had come from a state school which was practically a starting school for gangsters and criminals to basically a subsidized private academy, the pride of Cameron's future 'big society'); she obviously didn't see the joke and told me to stand outside.

I just fuckin' lost it, stormed out, right into my head of year, who was pretty much the last person you wanted to get into it with. I was furious, she asks me what the hell's going on, my English teacher comes out, I say 'why should I even bother explaining, what difference does it make? You'll take her word over mine anyway', and then I punched the wall. I wasn't looking to intimidate anyone, I was just in a blind coke/booze rage, but that was the last straw, and I was out on my ear before I'd even finished the first lesson of the first day!

I met the dealer on the way home and asked him if he could get me some heroin; he was hesitant but eventually agreed (I think that says something all by itself; he knew less than I did about the drug back then), and the rest was history, sad to say. I did see a school appointed counsellor for my drinking problems, but by then I had stopped drinking and was onto heroin anyway, so she misread it as progress as opposed to regression, and I sure as hell wasn't telling anyone about my new habit that early on in the game. I was scared, to tell the truth.

It would be another year or so before I was excluded altogether.

So heroin saved me from one potentially fatal addiction and condemned me to another.

C'est la vie.

[Nagelfar]

...whiskey 'n coke...

OK, so you're 15/16 at this point, so this has to mean the soda.


...a bottle of cola, sometimes two; pour out half the coke, replace with liquor...

There we go I knew it.


...a bottle of wine and snorting an eighth of coke.

And a seamless transition without confusion of meaning by Fat Pie.

[Fat Pie]

Heh, cool analysis.

[Dr. McKay]

What about that green stuff they have over in europe that contains supposedly contains some opiates in it ?

I know it make people halucinate from drinking it( from what I have heard)

[Fat Pie]

What about that green stuff they have over in europe that contains opiates in the alcohol. I think it is called Abstinith (sp) ?

I know it make people halucinate from drinking it( from what I have heard)

Absinthe got a bad rap during the 19th century, where is was labelled the 'green menace' and banned after gaining much notoriety. However, its harmful psychoactive properties were greatly exageratted, and it is in fact no different from pretty much any other alcohol:

"Absinthe has often been portrayed as a dangerously[/URL] addictive psychoactive drug. The chemical compound thujone, although present in the spirit in only trace amounts, was blamed for its alleged harmful effects. By 1915, absinthe had been banned in the United States and in much of Europe, including France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Although absinthe was vilified, it has not been demonstrated to be any more dangerous than ordinary spirits. Any psychoactive properties attributed to absinthe, apart from that of the alcohol, have been much exaggerated.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe#cite_note-sap_absinthism-6"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_use_disorder)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

[Opiophelia]

What about that green stuff they have over in europe that contains supposedly contains some opiates in it ?

I know it make people halucinate from drinking it( from what I have heard)

Absinthe definitely does not have any opiate/opioid qualities or ingredients. It's made with thujone ( works on the GABA receptors). Ive had absinthe in many different countries all over the world. It never made me "trip". There was some I drank from spain that kinda made me feel high... but like a cannabis high- def. not psychadelic.

Mostly, the shit just got me really drunk. I do like the taste though. It's like liqourice. yum. any drink that is bright green and involves a whole process with fire and sugar cubes is my kind of fucking drink. One of the only alcoholic drinks I actually enjoy.

[Dr. McKay]

Well I just said I heard of this...not that it actually did contain opiates...

[Saint]

You can het absinth here (it was forbidden for a while) but all it does is make you a bit stoned, like smoking pot and drinking wine at the same time.

[Nagelfar]

You can het absinth here (it was forbidden for a while) but all it does is make you a bit stoned, like smoking pot and drinking wine at the same time.

Strange that everyone says this. It is apparently a myth that thujone is a cannabinoid, though people have indicated the marked similarity of the conformation to docking with cannabinoid receptors in its structure as a molecule. And yet it's only researched as a GABA-&-serotonin-ergic.

I've only had absinthe made with 'normal' wormwood. True absinthe is made with Roman wormwood and is the only kind to contain thujone. I wonder if thujone really does have cannabinoid like effects, or if THC containing "Green Dragon" is prattled around in places as "absinthe".

borohydride, do you have anything to say about the structure of thujone in relation to cannabinoids? (If it does have proper docking properties, maybe a whole series of analogues which are cannabinoids could be made from thujone)

[danny]

what, hideously expensive, shit quality, illegal and ridiculously addictive?

[Fat Pie]

what, hideously expensive, shit quality...

That's only if you live in England, apparently.

[duck]

i love alcohol in the form of quality beer or liquor, but these days its mostly craft beer, lately IPA, either Laguanitas or Big Sky. On my days off work/school, I nod off for a few hours in the morning, take a nap, then start drinking and smoking pot in the evening...usually about a 6pack maybe less if I am operating a vehicle or heavy machinery.

[danny]

That's only if you live in England, apparently.

bloody hell pie, how well youre sorted in london especially, dont the yankee scene seem like an absolute abortion to you from two and a half years of reading this? it fuckin well does me...the e/c heads moan like fuck about the powder, and the w/c heads moan about the tar...thats IN the big cities mind you, i got my habit in a town of 10,000 people nearly twenty years ago, in the arse end of the west country, which is the yokelly boondocky part of england to start with, compare that to our brothers and sisters across the pond in the sticks that are paying almost a oner for ONE pill, of OXYCODONE for fucks sake...if the uk scene was ANYTHING like 99% of the us scene outside the big cities and certain parts of the south west i dont think id have ever got a habit, id never have been arsed with the runaround...plus stateside heat is outrageous, im a big old lazy windsock, i couldnt put up with the aggro they dish out to gearheads as a given, plus the BIG bird for small crimes unless youre fuckin minted...

i worry that our scene over here is going downhill to a similar state, probably not the heat but the shit gear and high prices, course as well english docs have morals, theyre not just script hounds that wanna make a fat one so no pharms except the dreaded juice, im the most pessimistic about the future of the uk gear scene that ive ever been, and from the people i bump into i can tell im not alone in that...

[Nagelfar]

I'm beginning to think alcohol is 'addictive' for those whose endogenous opioids are working well and it works as a potentiator in much the same way that benzos work for exorphins.

That's why people like to kick back after a work day with a beer or such: strengthens the effect of their own opioid system, and would also explain why it does 'absolutely nothing' for opioid withdrawal.


dont the yankee scene seem like an absolute abortion to you from two and a half years of reading this? it fuckin well does me...the e/c heads moan like fuck about the powder, and the w/c heads moan about the tar...thats IN the big cities mind you, i got my habit in a town of 10,000 people nearly twenty years ago.

We here in the states are just spoiled and are only angry that our bags don't come 'super sized', is why we complain so much.

I can sure get fire tar in this state, at least.

Perhaps our higher up drug distributors are less composed of empathic users than are yours are in that part of the world as well. We have Mexicans who would never touch the stuff themselves having their whole extended family in the import business. It's just a cut-throat livelihood to them is all, not a loved lifestyle.

[Fat Pie]

bloody hell pie, how well youre sorted in london especially, dont the yankee scene seem like an absolute abortion to you from two and a half years of reading this? it fuckin well does me...the e/c heads moan like fuck about the powder, and the w/c heads moan about the tar...thats IN the big cities mind you, i got my habit in a town of 10,000 people nearly twenty years ago, in the arse end of the west country, which is the yokelly boondocky part of england to start with, compare that to our brothers and sisters across the pond in the sticks that are paying almost a oner for ONE pill, of OXYCODONE for fucks sake...if the uk scene was ANYTHING like 99% of the us scene outside the big cities and certain parts of the south west i dont think id have ever got a habit, id never have been arsed with the runaround...plus stateside heat is outrageous, im a big old lazy windsock, i couldnt put up with the aggro they dish out to gearheads as a given, plus the BIG bird for small crimes unless youre fuckin minted...

i worry that our scene over here is going downhill to a similar state, probably not the heat but the shit gear and high prices, course as well english docs have morals, theyre not just script hounds that wanna make a fat one so no pharms except the dreaded juice, im the most pessimistic about the future of the uk gear scene that ive ever been, and from the people i bump into i can tell im not alone in that...

Yeah, I've always thought the UK scene was great compared to some of the stuff I read here about the awesome amount of trouble and misery some US heads go through to get a decent score, especially out in the stix (and we live on an island, ffs; I sometimes forget and think that London's the center of the universe). And don't get me started on peoples' judicial/healthcare woes over there. Some users here have gone into that hornet's nest and never come out.

That said, your last paragraph and Raz's recent utter disillusionment with the scene have me thinking second thoughts...

[danny]

We here in the states are just spoiled and are only angry that our bags don't come 'super sized', is why we complain so much.

I can sure get fire tar in this state, at least.

Perhaps our higher up drug distributors are less composed of empathic users than are yours are in that part of the world as well. We have Mexicans who would never touch the stuff themselves having their whole extended family in the import business. It's just a cut-throat livelihood to them is all, not a loved lifestyle.


hang on, werent you the one who came on here banging on about how you had to sniff petrol cause you couldnt get a hold of ANYTHING else? ive never heard ANY english junkie say anything like that, no matter how far out in the sticks they were...and if you think the people higher up the chain in the uk are 'empathic users' that petrol youre sniffing hasnt done you any favours at all...people higher up the junk chain ANYWHERE are amoral businessmen that just see profit and more profit...ive only encountered empathy in dealing, dealing with close personal friends, and trust me even that is a very limited quality - nothing will come between friendships, even ones established in childhood, quicker than junk and junk money...

[Nagelfar]

hang on, werent you the one who came on here banging on about how you had to sniff petrol cause you couldnt get a hold of ANYTHING else?

Yes but that was being completely isolated not ever seeing but one other human being who happened to be a relative for nine months. If I saw I mix of human beings I'm sure I could sniff something out. No pun intended.

[Fat Pie]

We here in the states are just spoiled and are only angry that our bags don't come 'super sized', is why we complain so much.

I can sure get fire tar in this state, at least.

Perhaps our higher up drug distributors are less composed of empathic users than are yours are in that part of the world as well. We have Mexicans who would never touch the stuff themselves having their whole extended family in the import business. It's just a cut-throat livelihood to them is all, not a loved lifestyle.


hang on, werent you the one who came on here banging on about how you had to sniff petrol cause you couldnt get a hold of ANYTHING else? ive never heard ANY english junkie say anything like that, no matter how far out in the sticks they were...and if you think the people higher up the chain in the uk are 'empathic users' that petrol youre sniffing hasnt done you any favours at all...people higher up the junk chain ANYWHERE are amoral businessmen that just see profit and more profit...ive only encountered empathy in dealing, dealing with close personal friends, and trust me even that is a very limited quality - nothing will come between friendships, even ones established in childhood, quicker than junk and junk money...

Yeah, none of my dealers would touch the stuff. One didn't even know the difference between heroin and cocaine, or about withdrawal (at first); for real.

[odd]

I'm beginning to think alcohol is 'addictive' for those whose endogenous opioids are working well and it works as a potentiator in much the same way that benzos work for exorphins.

That's why people like to kick back after a work day with a beer or such: strengthens the effect of their own opioid system, and would also explain why it does 'absolutely nothing' for opioid withdrawal.

We here in the states are just spoiled and are only angry that our bags don't come 'super sized', is why we complain so much.

I can sure get fire tar in this state, at least.

Perhaps our higher up drug distributors are less composed of empathic users than are yours are in that part of the world as well. We have Mexicans who would never touch the stuff themselves having their whole extended family in the import business. It's just a cut-throat livelihood to them is all, not a loved lifestyle.

I can tell you (being addicted to booze) that it's not a strong opiod system. My shit is shot and even when I was doing 3 grams a day I still want my nightly 6 pack. Also for the quality of the dope. I live in Cali, a fucking MAJOR hub of tar straight from Mexico and i can tell you the shit is crap quality unless you want to spend serious $$$. I have been using for 10 years here in the Bay Area and the quality has only gone down. However there is fire but it's expensive. Example I can get 3 G's of "normal" BTH and it's $100. I can get "fire" for $100 a G (and do it in one shot, that's what's called "fire" here). There is this stuff called "salenas" going around that is supposed to be killer fire and hell check my post of my ex who had a instant od on a $5 bag of black. Good dope is around but it's no where in normal circulation because all the dealers all have the same crap ass stuff. Chops and Goagirl can tell you about the garbage in the Bay. Again I am living hours away from MEXICO in a border town and I am getting crap.

I complain because I should not haveto spend $100 to feel anything. Fuck the nod, that's a fairy tale to me as in never going to happen. Reason number 10 million on why I am currently trying to get clean.

[thatoneguy]

What I don't get is why the bay gets garbage and Portland gets fire

[Nagelfar]

What I don't get is why the bay gets garbage and Portland gets fire

Ditto. I've OD'd on a $5 bag myself around where you are oneguy. Up nearer to where I currently am, I could probably do a gram, south of where you are I hear the quality goes down too.

[scikid]

Alcohol isn't even worthy enough to wipe Opiate's syphillitic butt.

All things considered, I'm surprised the FedGov hasn't made alcohol a Schedule IV Substance (yet).

M F

Probably has something to do with it being one of the most important parts of western culture....

Anyways, I love good beer. I hate hangovers. I think I have finally accepted that I cannot drink as much or as frequently as I used too. Only took me about 8 years to figure this out. I wasn't as much of a drunk as I was a maintenance user. I had to have my beer every night... obviously that will cause problems over the long run.

As for it "doing nothing" for opiate withdrawal. I beg to differ. Light beer helped out my mild and medium opiate withdrawals quite a bit, as long as I kept it to a night time thing. Now the problem is, I would often really ramp up my drinking following my opiate "runs". There is a reason so many of us get caught up in an alcohol and opiate cycle. I was back and forth for fucking years.