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[chucky]

Here is a ? I have been told that shooting salt water into a person when O.D.ing can sometimes resusitate , unfortunatly tried this a fews years back but didn't work and I lost a good friend.I will never try it again but I am just wondering if it is total bullshit or not.

[Peripat]

chucky, I'm sorry about your friend, but that salt water stuff is more than an old junkie myth, it's dangerous in and of itself.

This was covered a few weeks back. Read candy's input on the following thread for more details as to why salt water in overdose is a bad idea...

http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?t=261&highlight=overdose

[peacefulwarrior]

Good to always have naloxone or naltrexone on hand...it wakes em up and stops the O.Ding like magic.

[candy]

Hi Chucky, Using saline or salt water injections is a bad idea. If you can get a hold of Narcan, I advice keeping it handy. I had posted on this a few weeks back, but will hit a few points again. Just a junkie myth.Saline solutions are generally used to help regulate the blood pressure, by increasing the fluid volume in the body. Injecting salt solution, especially something such as table salt, can lead to all sorts of problems. Not only can it lead to electrolyte imbalances, but can lead to a cardiac arrest. My advice, if someone you know is overdosing, call 911 immediately. Lie that person on their right side, called the recovery position. Not only will this prevent aspiration, but it takes the load off the heart as the blood pressure decreases. Best to remember that not everyone who is overdosing, stops breathing right away after injection or administration of opiates. They can be lethargic and unresponsive, but still breathing and be overdosing. Even someone who is responsive can be overdosing and generally die when left alone to sleep it off. To be honest, I never injected with anyone who was not a long time user careful with how much they did. And I make it a habit, when using to never hit anyone else. I myself had some close calls and I tell you, it is a scary feeling, whether it is someone you know or yourself. One more thing...If you have been administered Narcan, wait a considerable amount of time before you should use again. Although Narcan is very short acting, it can have an affect up to an hour later. I had a boyfriend who OD'd twice in one day doing this. Injecting as we left the ER. I would imagine anyone who has ever given someone a salt injection was only witnessing what could be considered coincidence. There is no real data to back it up at all. Sorry about your friend. It sucks when we lose someone we care about this way. One of the biggest causes of OD is when 2 depressants are combined. Alcohol and Heroin, as an example. If your going to be using Heroin, don't combine other respiratory depressants. If your new to injecting, try a test shot to see how well your body reacts, or if it is dope from someone new. The purity can range. Stay well

[Grundel]

Hey Chucky, I'm sorry to hear this story of your lostfriend. We have similar losses, But let my tellyou of my experience with a salt shot. It was the 3rd OD. in three weeks for me to deal with in my small slum of an apartment. All 3victims stopped breathing The first one thank God or whoever that I was able to give chest compressionsthat I had membered from a CPR class. I got him back to me. The second victim's heart never stopped beating but he did notbreathe. I breathed for him 6-7 hours before I was so exausted that I passed out. And figured that I would deal with my dead friend in the morning. I must have passed out for just an hour before I woke to my friend screaming like a Howler Monkey.. I was filled full life again, cause I thought I would go away forManslaughter of a buddy. He had lost his hearing and I did allthat I could think of and that was write a letter for him to hand to a Doctor explaining was he OD. on Herion . I could not fiendthis alleged buddy for about month. And I was excited to hear him speak and find out this guy recovered fully.

Finnally My third OD victim, I was fed-up with people dieing on me so Idragged this guy out into the hallway and did what this myth said and Icooked him up a salt shot. I had never seen it done, just heardstorriesmany years ago from Jacky and other's that it might work. I was wrong, it didn't or would it I doubt it for all I knownow.. This man woke(jumped) -up just as pierced his arm. Just coincidence ! The moral of the story is make sure you KnowCPR and not afraid to do it. Cause the first victim I was notalone there was one other asshole that fled just as started give chestcompressions. Make sure you are not one of thees assholes. First call for help then use that CPR you had learned. So Soo the answer is FALSE ........

[candy]

Hey Chucky,
It says your in S.F. Someone posted that in the Bay Area they teach a class on how to use Narcan and distribute it. Maybe a bit of researching is not a bad idea. If it is available to you, go for it. Better to be safe than sorry.

Grundel, I bet your friend woke up from being poked! But hey, he woke up.....If we are going to take the chances we do, we should know what to do if something does go wrong.

[Grundel]

Let me clearify I poked him with a needle in the arm That is what scared us both

[DirtMcGirk]

you can easily die from putting any needle with anysubstance in your arm even if its the first time, if you forget to release any air bubble s in the syringe than your as good as dead, air can not get in your viens or you will die

[Sytch4Me]

"He had lost his hearing and I did allthat I could think of and that was write a letter for him to hand to a Doctor explaining was he OD. on Herion ."

when i ODed on Methadone a while back, i too lost my hearing and never got any answers to exactly why. My friend discovered his grandfather had like 3 big-ass bottles of methadone. There was over 500 10 mg. pills. Being the stupid guinea pigs we were, we each took crazy amounts without any concern. (ie. one friend took 4, another 6, and me 4) the next day i took like 5 more, and drank even though i was still crazily doped up. i couldn't stay awake no matter how hard i tried, i had like never been that fucked up before, so i collapsed into my bed, immediately passing out. oh yea, 3 of the 5 i took that day, were taken a couple hrs. before bed. later on i realized that right before i went to bed and could barely walk up the stairs to my bed, that what i was experiencing was the beginning stages of an OD. well, i woke up deaf and blind. the medic dude had to write out what he wanted to ask me on poster board in big letters. even with that i had to shove it right up to my face to finally read it. first "are you in any pain?" then "does anything hurt u?" finally just "PAIN?" haha, i think i still have that paper. i understood the "PAIN?" and said no, of course not, duhhh, jk, i shoud i have said that though. too opiated. well i kinda turned this into a post that should have gone on the DarK Side, sorry, but it's ok cause i'm a newb, right? well anyway, if anyone has any feedback on the deaf and blind shit, please let me know. i think it's prolly just because my whole system was so depressed, from the combination of sleep and opiates, especially the ones dissolving and being absorbed into my body while asleep. ahhh what a dumbass.

[candy]

Just to clarify air in the veins; A small amount of air will not do any harm. I always left a small amount of air in my syringe before injecting so I could see if I had a good hit. It takes quite a bit of air, such as in I.V. tubing to kill someone or cause an Air Emboli. While I don't recommend or suggest the habit of injecting air, a very small amount, will generally not do any harm.
Most emboli's or clots form from injecting into the lower extremities, such as the feet. Because circulation is slower in the lower extremities, clots can form and travel to the lungs. This is common after tying off for extended periods.

Try to avoid the feet. If you are having trouble hitting a vein, try a hot shower or using a hot compress to the area for 15 minutes(stick a wet washcloth in the microwave for a few minutes, stick it in a ziploc bag and you have a compress)
Try getting your blood pressure going by doing some push ups, any movement that involves the upper extremities before injecting.

[chucky]

Are you still deaf?

[Somni Divine]

you can easily die from putting any needle with anysubstance in your arm even if its the first time, if you forget to release any air bubble s in the syringe than your as good as dead, air can not get in your viens or you will die
Dirt,
I believe that is FALSE, and it takes a great deal more air than most people think in a syringe to kill someone, it pretty much has to be intentional, from my understanding. A little air is okay, a big air bubble could kill. But that the tiniest air bubble can kill is not true from what I have read -- do any of the nurses want to comment? PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!
Thanks.

[candy]

To clarify this issue of air in a syringe, you are right, it would take a pretty large amount of air to cause death.
In all my years as a nurse, I have never witnessed anyone dying from air in line or from an injection.
When air enters an I.V. line, it would take a large amount of air to cause an emboli and this generally happens when the bag runs dry on a line hanging by gravity or when the line wasn't primed correctly.
With all the new gadgets today in the hospitals, all the IV pumps come with a sensor that alarms if air is detected in the line and then the pump shuts itself off or stops the infusion.
As I said above, you would be more likely to die from a clot caused by injecting into the lower extemities than you would from air in a syringe.
Most syringes we use are the type used by Diabetics and they are a 1/2cc or 1cc and that is just not enough air, especially when filled with dope to cause an emboli.
In an IV line if air gets into the line, you would be talking about a great deal more air than that.
I don't suggest anyone inject air to prove the point, I would feel awful if anyone died as a result. Just practice safety and caution.

[bi11i]

Just to clarify air in the veins; A small amount of air will not do any harm. I always left a small amount of air in my syringe before injecting so I could see if I had a good hit. It takes quite a bit of air, such as in I.V. tubing to kill someone or cause an Air Emboli. While I don't recommend or suggest the habit of injecting air, a very small amount, will generally not do any harm.
Most emboli's or clots form from injecting into the lower extremities, such as the feet. Because circulation is slower in the lower extremities, clots can form and travel to the lungs. This is common after tying off for extended periods. That immediately took me to the end of 'Apt Pupil' where the guy pulls his IV and blows into in order to off himself before the coppers get to him....

just to add, I've also heard that rumor. I've injected plenty of air in my day with no adverse reaction (other than the air not being heroin).

[Sytch4Me]

nah, i'm not deaf anymore

[miosis]

you can easily die from putting any needle with anysubstance in your arm even if its the first time, if you forget to release any air bubble s in the syringe than your as good as dead, air can not get in your viens or you will die

That isn't true. It is actually quite hard to die. I think it was Burroughs who said "if air bubbles could kill you...there wouldn't be a junkie alive"

[User]

Shooting saltwater into someone is a horrible idea, Chucky. Shooting saltwater into your friend may have aided in his demise. Sorry.